Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-08 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
ot me some interesting results: > > > > ● systemd-timesyncd.service - Network Time Synchronization > >Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service; enabled; > > vendor preset: enabled) > > Drop-In: /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service.d

Re: strange time problem with bullseye/buster

2024-03-08 Thread Max Nikulin
On 08/03/2024 07:17, gene heskett wrote: I have NDI how to extract chrony's logs from journalctl. - man journalctl, - docs listed on the systemd web site.

Re: strange time problem with bullseye/buster

2024-03-07 Thread gene heskett
@mkspi:/etc/init.d$ yet timedatectl is still there and shows: mks@mkspi:/etc/init.d$ timedatectl Local time: Thu 2024-03-07 11:15:53 EST Universal time: Thu 2024-03-07 16:15:53 UTC RTC time: Thu 2024-03-07 11:04:39 Time zone: America

Re: strange time problem with bullseye/buster

2024-03-07 Thread David Wright
printer is arm stuff, its old armbian buster vintage. > > > mks@mkspi:/etc/init.d$ sudo apt purge systemd-timesyncd > > > Reading package lists... Done > > > Building dependency tree > > > Reading state information... Done > > > Package 'systemd-timesyncd' is n

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread gene heskett
On 3/7/24 14:16, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: On Wednesday 06 March 2024 12:42:12 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: How do I get the RTC to agree with the right time? "hwclock -w" to copy the system clock to the hardware clock (RTC).  This should also be done during shutdown, but it doesn't

Re: strange time problem with bullseye/buster

2024-03-07 Thread gene heskett
Local time: Thu 2024-03-07 11:15:53 EST Universal time: Thu 2024-03-07 16:15:53 UTC RTC time: Thu 2024-03-07 11:04:39 Time zone: America/New_York (EST, -0500) System clock synchronized: no NTP service: inactive RTC

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 02:33:05PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 07 March 2024 09:02:44 am Teemu Likonen wrote: > > systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service > > This got me some interesting results: > > ● systemd-timesyncd.service - Network Time Synchr

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > I don't ordinarily shut this machine down for the most part. Every once in a > while all of my swap partition gets filled up, and then there's this > continuous hard drive activity that I'm assuming is what they mean by > "thrashing". The only option at that

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 07 March 2024 09:02:44 am Teemu Likonen wrote: > systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service This got me some interesting results: ● systemd-timesyncd.service - Network Time Synchronization Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service; enabled; vendor pre

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Wednesday 06 March 2024 12:42:12 pm Greg Wooledge wrote: > > How do I get the RTC to agree with the right time? > > "hwclock -w" to copy the system clock to the hardware clock (RTC).  This > should also be done during shutdown, but it doesn't hurt to do it now.

Re: strange time problem with bullseye/buster

2024-03-07 Thread David Wright
newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. > mks@mkspi:/etc/init.d$ > yet timedatectl is still there and shows: > mks@mkspi:/etc/init.d$ timedatectl > Local time: Thu 2024-03-07 11:15:53 EST >Universal time: Thu 2024-03-07 16:15:53 UTC >

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread gene heskett
On 3/7/24 11:18, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 8:44 AM wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 08:31:16AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: [...] Now, how do I assure timedatectl stays stopped on a reboot? [...] I'll have to leave this to others more fluent in systemd-ish. Mask the

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread gene heskett
On 3/7/24 10:59, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 08:31:16AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: So I purged ntpsec and re-installed chrony which I had done once before with no luck but this time timedatectl was stopped and it worked! Now, how do I assure timedatectl stays stopped

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 8:44 AM wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 08:31:16AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > [...] > Now, how do I assure timedatectl stays stopped on a reboot? [...] > > I'll have to leave this to others more fluent in systemd-ish. Mask the systemd-timesyncd service. Masking is

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 08:31:16AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > So I purged ntpsec and re-installed chrony which I had done once before with > no luck but this time timedatectl was stopped and it worked! > > Now, how do I assure timedatectl stays stopped on a reboot? Which versi

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2024-03-07 08:31:16-0500, gene heskett wrote: > So I purged ntpsec and re-installed chrony which I had done once before > with no luck but this time timedatectl was stopped and it worked! > > Now, how do I assure timedatectl stays stopped on a reboot? systemd's > docs are po

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread tomas
On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 08:31:16AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: [...] > So I purged ntpsec and re-installed chrony which I had done once before with > no luck but this time timedatectl was stopped and it worked! great :-) > Now, how do I assure timedatectl stays stopped on a reboot? [.

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-07 Thread gene heskett
to be Big. This option may appear an unlimited number of times. Normally, ntpd exits with a message to the system log if the off‐ set exceeds the panic threshold, which is 1000 s by default. This option allows the time to be set to any value without restric‐ tion; however

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 09:36:56PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 08:33:37PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > no place in the ntpsec docs, nor the chrony docs > > does it show the ability to slam the current time into the SW clock on these > > arm syst

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread tomas
appear an unlimited number of times. Normally, ntpd exits with a message to the system log if the off‐ set exceeds the panic threshold, which is 1000 s by default. This option allows the time to be set to any value without restric‐ tion; however, this can happen only once. If the threshold

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 08:33:37PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > no place in the ntpsec docs, nor the chrony docs > does it show the ability to slam the current time into the SW clock on these > arm systems at bootup's first access time. Traditionally, this was done by the ntpdate comma

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread John Hasler
Look at the chronyd settime command and the chrony.conf makestep directive. These are intended for your situation. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread gene heskett
ed to take into account that many of us are already using a different NTP implementation, besides systemd's. I can turn either off, but no place in the ntpsec docs, nor the chrony docs does it show the ability to slam the current time into the SW clock on these arm systems at bootup's first a

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 05:56:29PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 3/6/24 12:42, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 12:31:46PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > sudo timedatectl set-ntp true > > > > But *don't* do that if you're using some other NTP program instead of >

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread gene heskett
On 3/6/24 12:42, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 12:31:46PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: Mine shows: Local time: Wed 2024-03-06 12:09:44 EST Universal time: Wed 2024-03-06 17:09:44 UTC RTC time: Wed 2024-03-06 17:20:53 Time zone: America/New_York

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread hlyg
On 3/6/24 13:37, Teemu Likonen wrote: It seems that you have solved the problem but here is another hint. "timedatectl" is a good high-level tool for querying and adjusting time settings. Without command-line arguments it prints a lot of useful info: $ t

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread David Wright
On Wed 06 Mar 2024 at 07:07:36 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 07:37:09AM +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > > It seems that you have solved the problem but here is another hint. > > "timedatectl" is a good high-level tool for querying and adjusting t

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 7:08 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 07:37:09AM +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > > It seems that you have solved the problem but here is another hint. > > "timedatectl" is a good high-level tool for querying and adjusting time &

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 12:13 PM Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Wednesday 06 March 2024 12:37:09 am Teemu Likonen wrote: > > * 2024-03-06 02:47:06+0800, hlyg wrote: > > > > > my newly-installed deb11 for amd64 shows wrong time, it lags behind > > > corre

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 12:31:46PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > Mine shows: > > Local time: Wed 2024-03-06 12:09:44 EST > Universal time: Wed 2024-03-06 17:09:44 UTC > RTC time: Wed 2024-03-06 17:20:53 >Time zone: America/New_York (EST, -050

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2024-03-06 12:31:46-0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > Local time: Wed 2024-03-06 12:09:44 EST > Universal time: Wed 2024-03-06 17:09:44 UTC > RTC time: Wed 2024-03-06 17:20:53 >Time zone: America/New_York (EST, -0500) > Network time on: yes >

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Wednesday 06 March 2024 12:37:09 am Teemu Likonen wrote: > * 2024-03-06 02:47:06+0800, hlyg wrote: > > > my newly-installed deb11 for amd64 shows wrong time,  it lags behind > > correct time by 8 hours though difference between universal and local > > is ok. > >

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 07:37:09AM +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > It seems that you have solved the problem but here is another hint. > "timedatectl" is a good high-level tool for querying and adjusting time > settings. Without command-line arguments it prints a

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2024-03-06 02:47:06+0800, hlyg wrote: > my newly-installed deb11 for amd64 shows wrong time,  it lags behind > correct time by 8 hours though difference between universal and local > is ok. It seems that you have solved the problem but here is another hint. "timedatectl" i

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 7:07 PM hlyg wrote: > > [...] > > Windows shall not cause problem, i rarely use Windows > > i don't know if ntp is running, what's default configuration by deb11 > amd64 installer? If you are dual booting Linux and Windows, then see

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread hlyg
Thank Greg Wooledge! it's solved with your help i reboot to enter bios, it use UTC then i change 3rd line of /etc/adjtime to UTC,  reboot to take effect, time is shown correctly now i am timezone 0800, 8 hours ahead of GMT both /etc/localtime points to same place

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Mar 05, 2024 at 08:28:49PM +0800, hlyg wrote: > Thank Greg Wooledge! > > zhou@debian:~$ date > Wed 06 Mar 2024 04:07:02 AM CST > zhou@debian:~$ date -u > Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:07:07 PM UTC > > above is from deb11 for i386, it's correct OK, and your time zone

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread hlyg
On 3/5/24 20:28, hlyg wrote: Thank Greg Wooledge! zhou@debian:~$ date Wed 06 Mar 2024 04:07:02 AM CST zhou@debian:~$ date -u Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:07:07 PM UTC above is from deb11 for i386, it's correct zhou@debian:~$ date Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:13:23 PM CST zhou@debian:~$ date -u Tue 05 Mar 2024

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread hlyg
Thank Greg Wooledge! zhou@debian:~$ date Wed 06 Mar 2024 04:07:02 AM CST zhou@debian:~$ date -u Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:07:07 PM UTC above is from deb11 for i386, it's correct zhou@debian:~$ date Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:13:23 PM CST zhou@debian:~$ date -u Tue 05 Mar 2024 12:13:27 PM UTC above is from

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 02:47:06 +0800 hlyg wrote: > wifi connection is good, i suppose both correct time with server > automatically Not necessarily. You should install an NTP client if you haven't already. I suggest systemd-timesyncd. -- Does anybody read signatures any more?

Re: strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Mar 06, 2024 at 02:47:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote: > my newly-installed deb11 for amd64 shows wrong time,  it lags behind correct > time by 8 hours though difference between universal and local is ok. Run the commands "date" and "date -u" and show us the output. T

strange time problem with bullseye

2024-03-05 Thread hlyg
my newly-installed deb11 for amd64 shows wrong time,  it lags behind correct time by 8 hours though difference between universal and local is ok. i am normal user, i install only from main of deb11 plus wifi adapter firmware, though i don't install security update. i don't know where i can

Timeshift / Back In Time - How do they work

2024-02-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:52:16AM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > I said sometime in this thread that timeshift (and Back in Time) use hard > links to create progressive copies of the system. The more I think about how > hard links reportedly work, I reckon it can't be simply hard

Re: Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-22 Thread Geert Stappers
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 01:30:44PM +, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote: > Hello, > > I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool using > rsync in the back. > > I would like to kindly ask if someone want to contribute to the Dutch > translation o

Re: Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-19 Thread c.buhtz
Dear Rogerio, thanks for your offer. On 2024-01-19 17:16 "Rogerio R. Silva" wrote: > I could help if there are not enough people working on this. > Please, let me know. Portuguese is still at 34%. But Brazilian is complete. Beside translating untranslated strings there is also a need to

Re: Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-19 Thread Rogerio R. Silva
gt;> Em qui., 18 de jan. de 2024 às 13:01, Yuri Musachio < >>> yuri.musac...@gmail.com> escreveu: >>> >>>> Christian, hi! >>>> >>>> I will do. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> &g

Re: Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-19 Thread Daniel Venturini
>> Em qui., 18 de jan. de 2024 às 13:01, Yuri Musachio < >> yuri.musac...@gmail.com> escreveu: >> >>> Christian, hi! >>> >>> I will do. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> &

Re: Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-18 Thread Joao Mandl
;> Christian, hi! >> >> I will do. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> On Jan 18 2024, at 8:37 am, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2]

Re: Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-18 Thread Atenágoras Silva
I'd like to help, too. Sincerely yours, Atenágoras Em qui., 18 de jan. de 2024 às 13:01, Yuri Musachio escreveu: > Christian, hi! > > I will do. > > > > > > > > Best, > > On Jan 18 2024, at 8:37 am, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote: > > Hello, > >

Re: Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-18 Thread Yuri Musachio
Christian, hi! I will do. Best, On Jan 18 2024, at 8:37 am, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote: > Hello, > > I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool > using rsync in the back. > > I would like to kindly ask if someone want to contribute to

Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-18 Thread c . buhtz
Hello, I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool using rsync in the back. I would like to kindly ask if someone want to contribute to the Swedish translation of that application. The current state of translation is 47%. We offer a web-based front-

Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-18 Thread c . buhtz
Hello, I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool using rsync in the back. I would like to kindly ask if someone want to contribute to the Dutch translation of that application. The current state of translation is 92%. We offer a web-based front-

Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-18 Thread c . buhtz
Hello, I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool using rsync in the back. I would like to kindly ask if someone want to contribute to the Catalan translation of that application. The current state of translation is 92%. We offer a web-based front-

Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-18 Thread c . buhtz
Hello, I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool using rsync in the back. I would like to kindly ask if someone want to contribute to the Portuguese translation of that application. The current state of translation is 23%. We offer a web-based front-

Re: Request for translation of backup application "Back In Time"

2024-01-15 Thread Adam Sjøgren
ld you like to restore a previous configuration? {appName} er ikke konfigureret. Vil du rulle tilbage til en tidligere opsætning? Use modification time & size for file change detection. Brug ændringstid og størrelse til at opdage filændringer Take a snapshot (checksum mode) Opret et tilstands-b

Request for translation of backup application "Back In Time"

2024-01-15 Thread c . buhtz
Hello, I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool using rsync in the back. I would like to kindly ask if someone want to contribute to the Danish translation of that application. The current state of translation is at 28%. Without improvement I need

Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-11 Thread c . buhtz
Hello, I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool using rsync in the back. I would like to kindly ask if someone want to contribute to the Polish translation of that application. The current state of translation is at 65%. We offer a web-based front-

Re: Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-10 Thread Iliana Panagopoulou
Hello, I can help with that. I will start contributing on Webslate as soon as possible. Thank you, Iliana Panagopoulou Στις Τετ 10 Ιαν 2024 στις 2:24 μ.μ., ο/η έγραψε: > > Hello, > > I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool > using rsync

Request for translation of "Back In Time"

2024-01-10 Thread c . buhtz
Hello, I am upstream maintainer of "Back In Time" [1] [2] a GUI backup tool using rsync in the back. I would like to kindly ask if someone want so contribute to the Greek translation of that application. The current state of translation is at 26%. Some strings are left for t

Re: Local time in databases

2023-12-16 Thread David Wright
presentation will be driven by > > > other needs. > > > > If anyone is looking for inspiration, I think what PostgreSQL does is one of > > the best and most complete implementations I've seen. > > I know nothing concerning the datetime type in Oracle. >

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-12 Thread Max Nikulin
w nothing concerning the datetime type in Oracle. Postgres stores timestamps as a numbers. Its power is reliable conversion to client time zone (or between time zones). "timestamp with time zone" is actually duration since epoch (UTC) and conversion to a time zone on select. However stor

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:18:44PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: [...] > All of these considerations are what brought Oracle to create a proprietary > "datetime" datatype and use it to store all "real" dates/times. If you need > a different format for display purposes or a human readable

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread tomas
On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 09:11:12AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > > > > Databases should never store local time. > >

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Thu, Dec 7, 2023, 8:11 PM Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > >> On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > >>> Databases should never store local time. > >> > >&g

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread Max Nikulin
On 07/12/2023 23:08, tomas wrote: On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: Databases should never store local time. There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time leads to undesired consequences. Heh. There was one

Re: Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 10:29:29PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: > > Databases should never store local time. > > I am anticipating a new branch of hot discussion. > > There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time

Local time in databases (Re: ntpsec as server questions)

2023-12-07 Thread Max Nikulin
On 07/12/2023 21:22, John Hasler wrote: Databases should never store local time. I am anticipating a new branch of hot discussion. There are exceptions when storing UTC instead of local time leads to undesired consequences. Planned (future) events may be bound namely to local time. So

Re: Load in minor time one page

2023-12-06 Thread Dan Ritter
William Torrez Corea wrote: > One page by means of firefox has a latency of 49.9 ms. > > > *How can I improve the latency?* > > I want a latency of 0 ms Every page is different. You can measure with the developer tools, in the performance tab. Things you can try: - different network

RE: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-06 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, >> $ cat /etc/network/interfaces [...] >> # The primary network interface >> allow-hotplug ens32 >> iface ens32 inet static > Depending on what services your computer runs, you may wish to change > "allow-hotplug ens32" to "auto ens32". Thanks that one got by me when I created a new

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-05 Thread Tom Dial
On 12/4/23 02:43, gene heskett wrote: So the next question is, is ntpsec serving my time, or utc. This hdware clock is supposedly set to UTC, but what is ntpsec serving? It s/b serving UTC IMO. But I'm in the dark here, haven't had to fool with this in the last 24 years. I'm pretty sure

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-04 Thread John Hasler
chronyc tracking will tell you what time Chrony thinks it is. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-04 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 04, 2023 at 09:30:14AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: [...] > It's serving *the* time :-) Well put :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-04 Thread Stefan Monnier
> So I put the dhcpd-server on this machine and it worked exact as Dan said it > would. Then I enabled ntpsec to serve and thats working to the whole world. > But the chrony on the printer is stuck in the PST timezone, ignoring the > contents of /etc/timezone. In Unix/Linux

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 04/12/2023 11:38, John Hasler wrote: Max Nikulin wrote: From my point of view, it should be possible to put a file with mapping of mac addresses to desired IPs and names to his dd-wrt router. I expect that dnsmasq is running or can be installed there. Dnsmasq as a DHCP server on the router

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-04 Thread gene heskett
-cable/ CNC machines don't need accurate time.  They need precise internal synchronization but that isn't related to the system clocks.  The default NTP configuration in most Linux distributions will take care of the system clocks if they have access to the Internet. I was kidding. However "a

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-03 Thread John Hasler
Max Nikulin wrote: > From my point of view, it should be possible to put a file with > mapping of mac addresses to desired IPs and names to his dd-wrt > router. I expect that dnsmasq is running or can be installed > there. Dnsmasq as a DHCP server on the router should be better than > maintaining

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-03 Thread Max Nikulin
accurate time. They need precise internal synchronization but that isn't related to the system clocks. The default NTP configuration in most Linux distributions will take care of the system clocks if they have access to the Internet. I was kidding. However "access to the Internet" is the re

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-02 Thread John Hasler
Max Nikulin wrote: > As to a GPS receiver, it should be doable and 169.254.x.y addresses > will not be an issue any more. Be careful with cables when connecting > it however: https://www.wired.com/2012/02/neutrinos-faulty-cable/ CNC machines don't need accurate time. They need precise

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-02 Thread mick.crane
On 2023-11-30 19:06, gene heskett wrote: On 11/30/23 09:14, John Hasler wrote: Gene writes: I want to put it at 192.168.71.100/24. How do I do that in /etc/dhcpcd.conf? You don't. That file tells the client how to get an ip (among other things) from the server. The default configuration

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-02 Thread Max Nikulin
On 02/12/2023 05:33, Greg Wooledge wrote: In either case, the static-ness or dynamic-ness of the address is much less important than the fact that the address*works*. You are able to communicate with the printer, using your network. This means the printer should be able to communicate*back*,

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-02 Thread gene heskett
ns of what has *actually* been done. Andy That list of machines is long Andy, and possibly boring. 1. The 2nd machine I converted, affectionately known as tlm.coyote.den, ( The Little Monster ), a 7x12 lathe running buster with a real time kernel and linuxcnc, all uptdate. uname -a= Linux

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 02/12/2023 02:24, gene heskett wrote: On 12/1/23 10:27, Max Nikulin wrote: so I have to repeat it. You *do* *not* have NetworkManager installed hence it can not overwrite files. What particular *evidences* do you have that namely NetworkManager overwrites /etc/network/interfaces? I am

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > Like I said, boring. Not boring at all. I assume that you also have a desktop or laptop on that network? If I was running it I would *definitely* be using DHCP. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Charles Curley
expertise on the gpsd email list. But I would start with the web site, including the how-to on setting up a time server. https://gpsd.io https://gpsd.io/gpsd-time-service-howto.html -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
> The clock is apparently restarted from midnight 12/1/2022 at every reboot. > This overwrite was done that way as soon as I could login at the old address > with ssh so I have to say it was done by network start time in the bootup > from a 10 second power down. All right, then. Let's see if I

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread gene heskett
months newer than the actual time it has ATM, date Tue 03 Jan 2023 06:44:56 AM PST would be an excellent starting point. It would tell us whether your /e/n/i is a regular file or a symbolic link. If it's a regular file, we would get the last modified time, so we'd know *when* it was altered

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread gene heskett
That list of machines is long Andy, and possibly boring. 1. The 2nd machine I converted, affectionately known as tlm.coyote.den, ( The Little Monster ), a 7x12 lathe running buster with a real time kernel and linuxcnc, all uptdate. uname -a= Linux TLM 4.19.0-25-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 11:21:05PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 30/11/2023 23:12, Andy Smith wrote: > > Unless you have a dedicated time source (e.g. GPS receiver, atomic > > decay source, …) > > A nitpick. I am puzzled by the word "decay" in this context

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
immediately relevant, but is a nice detail to have. What we need is more of that. ls -ld /etc/network/interfaces would be an excellent starting point. It would tell us whether your /e/n/i is a regular file or a symbolic link. If it's a regular file, we would get the last modified time

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread John Hasler
tomas writes: > Oh, oh... my first "Internet" (not in the sense of IP, obviously!) > connection was via UUCP. Likewise. -- John Hasler ihnp4!stolaf!bungia!foundln!john j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread gene heskett
On 12/1/23 10:27, Max Nikulin wrote: On 01/12/2023 17:42, gene heskett wrote: On 11/30/23 23:18, Max Nikulin wrote: On 01/12/2023 10:24, gene heskett wrote: Then, please, explain clearly what is "networkmangler", what is "/e/n/i", and what particular evidences you have that namely

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread tomas
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 04:55:01PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2023-12-01, John Hasler wrote: > > > > BTW my network experience goes back to bang paths. I'm currently using > > both hosts files and DHCP. > > In addition to legacy use, in 2021 new and innovative UUCP uses are > growing [...] Oh,

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread gene heskett
On 12/1/23 08:42, Dan Purgert wrote: On Dec 01, 2023, gene heskett wrote: [lotsa snipping ... ] You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which looks as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a pool of

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread gene heskett
On 12/1/23 08:25, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 08:20:57AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which looks as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Dec 01, 2023 at 07:30:35AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 10:24:35PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Gene, Please do us *all* a favour to try and help you. Write us out a list of all your machines - and if a printer has an embedded SBC, it's a machine in

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Curt
On 2023-12-01, John Hasler wrote: > > BTW my network experience goes back to bang paths. I'm currently using > both hosts files and DHCP. In addition to legacy use, in 2021 new and innovative UUCP uses are growing, especially for telecommunications in the HF band, for example, for

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 30/11/2023 23:12, Andy Smith wrote: Unless you have a dedicated time source (e.g. GPS receiver, atomic decay source, …) A nitpick. I am puzzled by the word "decay" in this context. Electron transition between energy states in atomic clocks is not decay. Nuclear decay is hard

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 01/12/2023 17:42, gene heskett wrote: On 11/30/23 23:18, Max Nikulin wrote: On 01/12/2023 10:24, gene heskett wrote: Then, please, explain clearly what is "networkmangler", what is "/e/n/i", and what particular evidences you have that namely "networkmangler" overwrites "/e/n/i".

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Dan Purgert
spond to the MAC address of that printer, no > > response to any other MAC that might come calling. > > The pool is for "anyone who comes calling". > > Your reserved addresses should be outside the pool. At one time (or I'm just conflating isc-dhcp-server with som

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-01 Thread Dan Purgert
On Dec 01, 2023, gene heskett wrote: > [lotsa snipping ... ] > > You claim I don't have to do anything to that printer machine, so I > installed the ICC server here. I have done zip to the dhcpd.conf which > looks as it it is fully disabled. Assuming I want a pool of 16 > addresses, say from

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