Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:55:32 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:


> 
> Do you have package 'upgrade-system' installed? And or do you use 
> deborphan?  Do you use both testing and sid repos? I do not have your 
> problem on "6" testing/sid installs. Good luck.

Thanks. No I didn't know about upgrade-system. It's an old
installation, it's quite a while since I had a problem bad enough to
need reinstallation. Even so, the amount of cruft found was impressive,
more than 900 packages.

Unfortunately, it didn't fix any of my problems. But I don't use
Synaptic much, I know to boot into 4.6.0.1 not 4.7.0.1, and if I don't
look at the logs I don't see all the gtk3 error messages this *is*
sid, after all.

-- 
Joe

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Ric Moore]

On 09/17/2016 06:37 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/15/2016 12:50 AM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 09/14/2016 04:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:



Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade the
effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.


Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded and
XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal and enter
startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing XFCE packages.
But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right click no longer
function. Drats. Ric


I was wondering if XFCE4 was infected.  Sorry to hear you're sill having
a problem.I can't take the pain any longer. Going for a full re-install. Ric



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/19/2016 11:36 AM, Joe wrote:

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:10:21 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:


On 09/14/2016 01:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
right click and Search is affected too.


Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade
the effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it
is fixed.


I have the latest of these, 3.21.6-1 in sid, upgraded today as usual.


If you decide to upgrade those 4 packages to Sid, select all 4
packages first and it will NOT pull in any extra packages and
Synaptic will be fixed in KDE Plasma.

In XFCE4 for sure "and possibly Gnome too" do above plus if you have
'gtk3-engines-xfce' installed remove it it's not needed in XFCE and
Synaptic will be fixed. There's no reason for you to have a broken
Synaptic.


I have no gtk3-engines- installed.

I still have a quickly dying Synaptic. I've just noticed that
gnome-terminal is filling the kernel log with masses of:

'  is drawn without a current allocation. This
should not happen.'

This seems to have been ongoing for a couple of months, and GTK3 is
strongly incriminated, RedHat being also affected, various reports
involving emacs and other GTK3 users. The death of my Synaptic produces
no log entries.


Do you have package 'upgrade-system' installed? And or do you use 
deborphan?  Do you use both testing and sid repos? I do not have your 
problem on "6" testing/sid installs. Good luck.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid/Testing - XFCE4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda24
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 11:10:21 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> On 09/14/2016 01:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> > On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:  
> >> The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
> >> right click and Search is affected too.  
> >
> > Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
> > effected packages. Yay!
> >
> > These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
> > libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
> > testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade
> > the effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it
> > is fixed.  

I have the latest of these, 3.21.6-1 in sid, upgraded today as usual.
> 
> If you decide to upgrade those 4 packages to Sid, select all 4
> packages first and it will NOT pull in any extra packages and
> Synaptic will be fixed in KDE Plasma.
> 
> In XFCE4 for sure "and possibly Gnome too" do above plus if you have 
> 'gtk3-engines-xfce' installed remove it it's not needed in XFCE and 
> Synaptic will be fixed. There's no reason for you to have a broken
> Synaptic.

I have no gtk3-engines- installed.

I still have a quickly dying Synaptic. I've just noticed that
gnome-terminal is filling the kernel log with masses of:

'  is drawn without a current allocation. This
should not happen.'

This seems to have been ongoing for a couple of months, and GTK3 is
strongly incriminated, RedHat being also affected, various reports
involving emacs and other GTK3 users. The death of my Synaptic produces
no log entries.

-- 
Joe

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/14/2016 01:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right
click and Search is affected too.


Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade the
effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.


If you decide to upgrade those 4 packages to Sid, select all 4 packages 
first and it will NOT pull in any extra packages and Synaptic will be 
fixed in KDE Plasma.


In XFCE4 for sure "and possibly Gnome too" do above plus if you have 
'gtk3-engines-xfce' installed remove it it's not needed in XFCE and 
Synaptic will be fixed. There's no reason for you to have a broken Synaptic.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid/Testing - XFCE4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda24
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:41:30 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> On 09/15/2016 09:58 AM, Joe wrote:

> >>  
> >
> > Synaptic still broken on Sid for me, fully upgraded except for a few
> > packages which won't.  
> 
> Hi Joe, why not use both testing and sid repos and get a full
> upgrade, both my Sid systems are full upgraded with me using both
> repos.  Good luck!

On my desktop sid/xfce4 machine, I do a full upgrade pretty much every
day, apart from any buggy or uninstallable packages, of which I
currently have five.

I don't actually use Synaptic much, generally for poking around when a
lot of packages won't upgrade, to find the ones which will. It runs for
a few mouse actions, then dies and needs a kill -9 to remove the
process. Sometimes it will run long enough to do an upgrade, which
works fine. Aptitude and apt-get are both working reliably.

I also usually have trouble booting from the current 4.7 kernel, so I'm
mostly using 4.6. Whether the problems are related, I don't know. I
can't find any smoking guns anywhere. I'm not aware of any other
software which isn't working. I run PCB with the GTK interface, which
is a fairly complex and demanding beast, and it doesn't seem to have any
trouble.

I've reported the Synaptic problem, which is fairly repeatable, but not
the kernel one as I get wildly differing screen messages at the time of
the crash, which suggests the fundamental fault isn't related to any of
them. I can find no clues at all about that.

-- 
Joe

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/17/2016 03:37 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/15/2016 12:50 AM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 09/14/2016 04:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:



Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade the
effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.


Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded and
XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal and enter
startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing XFCE packages.
But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right click no longer
function. Drats. Ric


I was wondering if XFCE4 was infected.  Sorry to hear you're sill having
a problem.  I'm still good, both synaptic and parole are working okay on
Sid and Testing with the plasma 5 desktop.  I noticed upstream is
letting more bugs into the mix, but don't seem to be effecting me, maybe
like Jessie the next release will not be ready, but will be released
anyways, with missing packages and excuses. A fixed release cycle sucks,
where not getting some bugs fixed, just a new system every 2 years and
it seems to have started with Wheezy, when Debian decided not to fix
Wheezy's login and instead gave us Systemd instead and a whole lot more
new bugs.  I'm using Parole cause Kaffeine is pulling in VLC, why it's
pulling in VLC I don't know and it don't make since to me having two
media players to get the one I want, but Parole uses a lot less packages
to work, so I'm okay with that.  I may do a XFCE4 install on sda24 to
see what's going on, I'll start with a Jessie net-install and then
upgrade the base system to Sid/testing.  Thanks for the update.


Here's an update, completely remove package 'gtk3-engines-xfce' and see 
how Synaptic behaves.  I had to use the console to start Synaptic, 
haven't checked that out yet, but after installing 'gtk3-engines-xfce' 
Synaptic went south, purging gtk3-engines-xfce and synaptic was okay 
again.  Hope that helps.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid/Testing - XFCE4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda24
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 17 September 2016 23:37:31 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> A fixed release cycle sucks,
> where not getting some bugs fixed, just a new system every 2 years and
> it seems to have started with Wheezy

Just one of the attempts to please the Ubuntu crowd. :-((

Lisi

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/15/2016 09:58 AM, Joe wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:50:21 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:


On 09/14/2016 04:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
right click and Search is affected too.


Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade
the effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it
is fixed.


Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded
and XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal
and enter startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing
XFCE packages. But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right
click no longer function. Drats. Ric



Synaptic still broken on Sid for me, fully upgraded except for a few
packages which won't.


Hi Joe, why not use both testing and sid repos and get a full upgrade, 
both my Sid systems are full upgraded with me using both repos.  Good luck!

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid - KDE Plasma 5.7.4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda15
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/15/2016 12:50 AM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 09/14/2016 04:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:



Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade the
effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.


Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded and
XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal and enter
startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing XFCE packages.
But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right click no longer
function. Drats. Ric


I was wondering if XFCE4 was infected.  Sorry to hear you're sill having 
a problem.  I'm still good, both synaptic and parole are working okay on 
Sid and Testing with the plasma 5 desktop.  I noticed upstream is 
letting more bugs into the mix, but don't seem to be effecting me, maybe 
like Jessie the next release will not be ready, but will be released 
anyways, with missing packages and excuses. A fixed release cycle sucks, 
where not getting some bugs fixed, just a new system every 2 years and 
it seems to have started with Wheezy, when Debian decided not to fix 
Wheezy's login and instead gave us Systemd instead and a whole lot more 
new bugs.  I'm using Parole cause Kaffeine is pulling in VLC, why it's 
pulling in VLC I don't know and it don't make since to me having two 
media players to get the one I want, but Parole uses a lot less packages 
to work, so I'm okay with that.  I may do a XFCE4 install on sda24 to 
see what's going on, I'll start with a Jessie net-install and then 
upgrade the base system to Sid/testing.  Thanks for the update.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid - KDE Plasma 5.7.4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda15
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:50:21 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:

> On 09/14/2016 04:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> > On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:  
> >> The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
> >> right click and Search is affected too.  
> >
> > Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
> > effected packages. Yay!
> >
> > These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
> > libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
> > testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade
> > the effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it
> > is fixed.  
> 
> Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded
> and XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal
> and enter startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing
> XFCE packages. But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right
> click no longer function. Drats. Ric
> 

Synaptic still broken on Sid for me, fully upgraded except for a few
packages which won't.

-- 
Joe

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Ric Moore]

On 09/14/2016 04:10 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right
click and Search is affected too.


Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the
effected packages. Yay!

These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0,
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade the
effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.


Rats, that didn't work for me. I am running sid. Something upgraded and 
XFCE no longer starts up after boot. I have to open a terminal and enter 
startx. Using synaptic I could just start re-installing XFCE packages. 
But, it be broken where the drop down menu's and right click no longer 
function. Drats. Ric


--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/01/2016 08:51 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right
click and Search is affected too.


Thank you upstream developing and packaging team for replacing the 
effected packages. Yay!


These packages have now been upgraded in Sid, 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0, 
libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' if you have been using 
testing and where effected you can temp add Sid repos and upgrade the 
effected packages, it will pull in a few more packages, but it is fixed.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - Plasma 5.7.4 - AMD 64 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 23:58:56 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>okay.  It looks like "gtk-3" is the culprit.  When the other 4 systems 

Indeed.  I've upgraded everything other than those myself.  Again,
without ill effect.

Just have to keep a weather eye out for upgraded, bugfixed (natch),
versions arriving in testing.

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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/06/2016 04:06 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:23:25 -0400
Stephen Allen  wrote:

Hello Stephen,


Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would have
helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package


I don't, and even if I did I doubt it would have helped me:  I just
would not have been able to make any connection between the packages
Jimmy refers to and their interaction with Synaptic.


I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this
thread.


Ah, but that may have just changed.  I've not upgraded the gir*
packages, just in case.


Except for 'gir1.2-gtk-3.0, libgtk-3-0. libgtk-3-bin. libgtk-3-common' 
that one testing system is clean and upgraded and synaptic is still 
okay.  It looks like "gtk-3" is the culprit.  When the other 4 systems 
start behaving okay that 5th system's gtk-3 will be upgraded too.  Those 
4 are the only gtk-3 packages I have on my system and I pinned them, 
like I said everything else is upgraded.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/06/2016 08:04 PM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 09/06/2016 07:06 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:23:25 -0400
Stephen Allen  wrote:

Hello Stephen,


Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would have
helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package


I don't, and even if I did I doubt it would have helped me:  I just
would not have been able to make any connection between the packages
Jimmy refers to and their interaction with Synaptic.


I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this
thread.


Ah, but that may have just changed.  I've not upgraded the gir*
packages, just in case.


Same here, after running update/upgrade and THEN reading the problems, I
went for it and rebooted. It blew up REAL GOOD! Ric


Hi Ric, what app's where infected/affected and do you think it was the 
gtk-3 packages? Thanks!

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid - KDE Plasma 5.7.4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda15
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Ric Moore]

On 09/06/2016 07:06 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:23:25 -0400
Stephen Allen  wrote:

Hello Stephen,


Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would have
helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package


I don't, and even if I did I doubt it would have helped me:  I just
would not have been able to make any connection between the packages
Jimmy refers to and their interaction with Synaptic.


I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this
thread.


Ah, but that may have just changed.  I've not upgraded the gir*
packages, just in case.


Same here, after running update/upgrade and THEN reading the problems, I 
went for it and rebooted. It blew up REAL GOOD! Ric



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/06/2016 04:25 PM, Peter wrote:

On 06/09/16 19:29, Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 09/06/2016 09:12 AM, Peter wrote:

I believe the problem was caused by the libgtk upgrade.
See
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=836341



Thanks Peter, I upgraded all but the 4 gtk-3 packages with no ill
effect.  But my problem in Sid is the drop-down menus not working, seems
to effect all apps using gtk-3 and for me that is synaptic, gdebi, gufw,
pavucontrol and parole, menus and right click don't work, but they do
not crash. Maybe this new testing upgrade is introducing new bug. It's
all over my head, I'm just a point-n-click user.


The adwaita theme is supposed to be the least broken with gtk3.
Also, if you're using kde, there is a gdebi-kde package.


Not really using gdebi much anymore since Jessie, been using dpkg. 
Plasma is not using Gnome Theme's, only the icon's and switching to them 
does not help the menu problem or the right click problem, even after a 
system restart. But thanks for the thought.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Sid - KDE Plasma 5.7.4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda15
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Jimmy Johnson  wrote:
> On 09/05/2016 06:23 PM, Stephen Allen wrote:
>
>> Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would have
>> helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package
>> installed. Lets you know before hand if bugs have been filed - of course
>> if none have, it's still buyer beware on SID. Hope you all filed bug
>> reports. ;-D
>>
>> I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this
>> thread.
>
>
> Stephen, apt-listbugs is not helping me, what I need is a tool that will
> list bugs after they've been installed. :)
>
>

May be try something like this

% rc-alert synaptic
Package: src:synaptic
Bug: 831268
Title:   synaptic: FTBFS: cacheset.h:718:15: error: 'make_unsigned' in
namespace 'std' does not name a template type
Flags:   [] (none)
Dists:   [TU] (testing, unstable)

Package: synaptic
Bug: 797271
Title:   Synaptic false positive, does not launch
Flags:   [] (none)
Dists:   [T] (testing)

Package: synaptic
Bug: 811857
Title:   synaptic: FTBFS with GCC 6: no matching function for call to
Flags:   [] (none)
Dists:   [TU] (testing, unstable)

hope that helps
raju
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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Peter]

On 06/09/16 19:29, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 09/06/2016 09:12 AM, Peter wrote:
>> I believe the problem was caused by the libgtk upgrade.
>> See
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=836341
> 
> 
> Thanks Peter, I upgraded all but the 4 gtk-3 packages with no ill
> effect.  But my problem in Sid is the drop-down menus not working, seems
> to effect all apps using gtk-3 and for me that is synaptic, gdebi, gufw,
> pavucontrol and parole, menus and right click don't work, but they do
> not crash. Maybe this new testing upgrade is introducing new bug. It's
> all over my head, I'm just a point-n-click user.

The adwaita theme is supposed to be the least broken with gtk3.
Also, if you're using kde, there is a gdebi-kde package.

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/05/2016 06:23 PM, Stephen Allen wrote:


Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would have
helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package
installed. Lets you know before hand if bugs have been filed - of course
if none have, it's still buyer beware on SID. Hope you all filed bug
reports. ;-D

I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this
thread.


Stephen, apt-listbugs is not helping me, what I need is a tool that will 
list bugs after they've been installed. :)


--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/06/2016 09:12 AM, Peter wrote:

I believe the problem was caused by the libgtk upgrade.
See
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=836341



Thanks Peter, I upgraded all but the 4 gtk-3 packages with no ill 
effect.  But my problem in Sid is the drop-down menus not working, seems 
to effect all apps using gtk-3 and for me that is synaptic, gdebi, gufw, 
pavucontrol and parole, menus and right click don't work, but they do 
not crash. Maybe this new testing upgrade is introducing new bug. It's 
all over my head, I'm just a point-n-click user.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:12:45 +0100
Peter  wrote:

Hello Peter,

>I believe the problem was caused by the libgtk upgrade.
>See
>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=836341

Thanks for the info, Peter.  I've now upraded all the gir* packages w/o
suffering problems {fx:fingers crossed}.  I'll hold off the gtk upgrade
until a new version filters down to testing.

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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Peter]

I believe the problem was caused by the libgtk upgrade.
See
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=836341


Regardsm
Peter

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:23:25 -0400
Stephen Allen  wrote:

Hello Stephen,

>Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would have
>helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package

I don't, and even if I did I doubt it would have helped me:  I just
would not have been able to make any connection between the packages
Jimmy refers to and their interaction with Synaptic.

>I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this
>thread.

Ah, but that may have just changed.  I've not upgraded the gir*
packages, just in case.

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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 21:23:25 -0400
Stephen Allen  wrote:


> Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would
> have helped in this case, 

Yes, and it didn't. It looks to be affecting a fairly small number of
people, and as I said, it isn't consistent, I don't always get the
segfault listing, sometimes the boot just stops, and the listing
doesn't show any particular process failing. Logging has started, but I
see no kind of 'help, I'm about to crash' messages.

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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Stephen Allen]

On Sun, Sep 04, 2016 at 08:43:04PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 09/02/2016 12:53 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:09:32 -0700
> > Jimmy Johnson  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Jimmy,
> > 
> > > Thanks Brad for letting me know that testing was okay, one of my 5
> > > Sid/Testing systems was still not upgraded with the bug yet, so I
> > 
> > Glad to be of service.  Even if it was a little on the late side.   :-(
> > 
> > > removed the Sid repose so it would not get the bug, but the other 4
> > > have a broken synaptic, Apt is one of the Sid upgrades and I figure
> > > it's the culprit.
> > 
> > I'll be careful to watch for the relevant upgrades as they appear in
> > testing.  Maybe even pin apt & Synaptic for a while.  Like you said in
> > response to Floris, the list of bugs against Synaptic is huge.   :-|
> 
> Here's an update, it seems to be a gtk problem, as the bug effects Parole
> Media Player's menu too.  Sid has "gir1*" and "gtk*" package upgrades that
> Testing does not have and without Synaptic I really don't know an easy way
> to downgrade the packages, outside of downloading the packages and using
> dpkg and I would have to lookup the depends too, maybe there is an easier
> way?  I hope upstream is working on this problem, before it hits Testing.

Do you fellas have 'apt-listbugs' installed? Don't know if it would have
helped in this case, but running SID one should have that package
installed. Lets you know before hand if bugs have been filed - of course
if none have, it's still buyer beware on SID. Hope you all filed bug
reports. ;-D

I'm on testing, so have nothing to report in terms of the issues in this
thread.

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 20:43:04 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>Parole Media Player's menu too.  Sid has "gir1*" and "gtk*" package 
>upgrades that Testing does not have and without Synaptic I really don't

22 gir1.2*, libgirepository*, libpango* and libcogl* packages have just
hit testing.

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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Brad Rogers]

On Sun, 4 Sep 2016 20:43:04 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>Here's an update, it seems to be a gtk problem, as the bug effects 
>Parole Media Player's menu too.  Sid has "gir1*" and "gtk*" package 
>upgrades that Testing does not have and without Synaptic I really don't 

Thanks for keeping us informed.  It's appreciated.

>know an easy way to downgrade the packages, outside of downloading the 
>packages and using dpkg and I would have to lookup the depends too, 

IDK, having never tried, but would adding one of the snapshot repos be
of help?  Maybe that would help with the dependencies.  But otherwise,
yes, it's going to have to be done the 'hard way'   :-(

>maybe there is an easier way?  I hope upstream is working on this 
>problem, before it hits Testing.

You and me both.

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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 01:28:28 -0400
Ric Moore  wrote:

> On 09/02/2016 02:56 AM, Joe wrote:
> 
> > Everybody's installation is different... 4.6.0.1 boots OK, the new
> > 4.7.0.1 didn't (4.7.2-1 I think), doing some kind of segfault. But I
> > cleared the cache recently so I don't have the .deb of the previous
> > 4.7.0.1. I'll try again in a couple of days.  
> 
> Running sid, the update blew me up twice. I'm a certified install
> demon as of this weekend. I pinned the kernel until the smoke clears.
> I kept getting grub filesystem errors after the kernel
> update. . :( Ric
> 
> 

I've had a few more goes, sometimes it boots, sometimes it doesn't, but
I can't get enough evidence for a bug report. It may well have nothing
to do with the kernel itself, but 4.6.0.1 seems to boot consistently.

If you run sid, always keep at least one older kernel installed...

-- 
Joe

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Ric Moore]

On 09/02/2016 02:56 AM, Joe wrote:


Everybody's installation is different... 4.6.0.1 boots OK, the new
4.7.0.1 didn't (4.7.2-1 I think), doing some kind of segfault. But I
cleared the cache recently so I don't have the .deb of the previous
4.7.0.1. I'll try again in a couple of days.


Running sid, the update blew me up twice. I'm a certified install demon 
as of this weekend. I pinned the kernel until the smoke clears. I kept 
getting grub filesystem errors after the kernel update. . :( Ric



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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/02/2016 12:53 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:09:32 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,


Thanks Brad for letting me know that testing was okay, one of my 5
Sid/Testing systems was still not upgraded with the bug yet, so I


Glad to be of service.  Even if it was a little on the late side.   :-(


removed the Sid repose so it would not get the bug, but the other 4
have a broken synaptic, Apt is one of the Sid upgrades and I figure
it's the culprit.


I'll be careful to watch for the relevant upgrades as they appear in
testing.  Maybe even pin apt & Synaptic for a while.  Like you said in
response to Floris, the list of bugs against Synaptic is huge.   :-|


Here's an update, it seems to be a gtk problem, as the bug effects 
Parole Media Player's menu too.  Sid has "gir1*" and "gtk*" package 
upgrades that Testing does not have and without Synaptic I really don't 
know an easy way to downgrade the packages, outside of downloading the 
packages and using dpkg and I would have to lookup the depends too, 
maybe there is an easier way?  I hope upstream is working on this 
problem, before it hits Testing.

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Debian Sid - KDE Plasma 5.6.4 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda15
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:09:32 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>Thanks Brad for letting me know that testing was okay, one of my 5 
>Sid/Testing systems was still not upgraded with the bug yet, so I 

Glad to be of service.  Even if it was a little on the late side.   :-(

>removed the Sid repose so it would not get the bug, but the other 4
>have a broken synaptic, Apt is one of the Sid upgrades and I figure
>it's the culprit.

I'll be careful to watch for the relevant upgrades as they appear in
testing.  Maybe even pin apt & Synaptic for a while.  Like you said in
response to Floris, the list of bugs against Synaptic is huge.   :-|

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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 19:28:58 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

> On 09/01/2016 09:49 AM, Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
> > Brad Rogers  wrote:
> >  
> >> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
> >> Jimmy Johnson  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Jimmy,
> >>  
> >>> The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
> >>> right click and Search is affected too.  
> >>
> >> All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
> >> testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.
> >>  
> >
> > Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
> > upgrade days...  
> 
> 
> Joe, I now have that kernel "4.7.0-1-amd64" on 5 systems and no
> problem with the kernel here, just Synaptic.

Everybody's installation is different... 4.6.0.1 boots OK, the new
4.7.0.1 didn't (4.7.2-1 I think), doing some kind of segfault. But I
cleared the cache recently so I don't have the .deb of the previous
4.7.0.1. I'll try again in a couple of days.

-- 
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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/01/2016 09:49 AM, Joe wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,


The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
right click and Search is affected too.


All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.



Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...



Joe, I now have that kernel "4.7.0-1-amd64" on 5 systems and no problem 
with the kernel here, just Synaptic.

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Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/01/2016 02:50 PM, Floris wrote:

Op Thu, 01 Sep 2016 18:49:15 +0200 schreef Joe :


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
>right click and Search is affected too.

All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.



Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...



Probably bug #835465
python-apt_1.1.0~beta5 will be available soon

Floris


Thanks Floris, but python-apt was not the fix. :(
I think Synaptic would be a good bet for the most liable to break app in 
Debian's repos, the number of bugs filed against it are huge.

But like you say, it will be fixed soon. :)

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Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 09/01/2016 09:05 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,


The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right
click and Search is affected too.


All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.


Thanks Brad for letting me know that testing was okay, one of my 5 
Sid/Testing systems was still not upgraded with the bug yet, so I 
removed the Sid repose so it would not get the bug, but the other 4 have 
a broken synaptic, Apt is one of the Sid upgrades and I figure it's the 
culprit.

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Debian Stretch - KDE-Plasma-Desktop 5.7.4 - EXT4 - AMD64 at sda12
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Floris]

Op Thu, 01 Sep 2016 18:49:15 +0200 schreef Joe :


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:


On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
>right click and Search is affected too.

All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.



Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...



Probably bug #835465
python-apt_1.1.0~beta5 will be available soon

Floris

Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Joe]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 17:05:59 +0100
Brad Rogers  wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
> Jimmy Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jimmy,
> 
> >The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or
> >right click and Search is affected too.  
> 
> All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
> testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.
> 

Me too, amd64, and kernel 4.7.0.1 doesn't boot. Not the greatest of
upgrade days...

-- 
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Re: Testing/Unstable Synaptic broken again.

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:51:57 -0700
Jimmy Johnson  wrote:

Hello Jimmy,

>The latest upgrades have broken Synaptic, unable to use Menus or right 
>click and Search is affected too.

All seems well here;  Synaptic functions normally with Debian
testing/KDE.  Last updated this afternoon.

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