[Declude.JunkMail] Declude Hijack

2004-01-22 Thread Joshua Hughes



Is it possible to turn on Declude Hijack for a 
single domain? I read where I can list the ip addresses to allow to send 
unlimited messages however, with over 60 hosted domains this would be very time 
consuming.

Thank you,Josh


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL on SPAMCOP

2004-01-22 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
SpamCop blocked the ActiveServerPages list at 15seconds.com (which is not a
source of spam):

List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?

The problem with SpamCop is, it's only as reliable as it's users. It would
appear that some of it's users are not very reliable. 

We could all report spam cop to spam cop and they'd probably block
themselves ;)

But we do use them in moderation.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Declude.JunkMail@declude.com

2004-01-22 Thread Dan Geiser
Hello, All,
If I have a FROMFILE type test in my GLOBAL.CFG...

FROMFILE  fromfile D:\iMail\declude\JunkMail.FromFile.txt   x 12 0

...and I have some entries in the corresponding flat text file like below...


# JunkMail.FromFile.txt

# 
# == Add Points To Total Weight ==
# 

# -- Strings In User Names

-nexustechgroup.com
?nexustechgroup.com-

# -- Strings In Host Names

@bounce.
@bounceto.
-platinum.

# -- Host Names

.1001specials.net
@12expbr.com
.1ah5won.com
.4pitasake.com


When FROMFILE does its thing is it going to search the FROM address in a
CONTAINS type manner (which would allow all of the above entries to have a
chance of blocking spam) or does it only search the FROM address in an
ENDSWITH type manner (where only the Host Names listed above would actually
have a chance of blocking spam)?  I have a feeling it only does an ENDSWITH
but I wanted to make sure.

Thanks, Much!
Dan Geiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Hijack

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is it possible to turn on Declude Hijack for a single domain?
We don't like that, because it allows spammers a way to bypass Declude 
Hijack.  However, you can use a line ALLOWADDR [EMAIL PROTECTED] to allow 
an E-mail address to send unlimited E-mail.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude.JunkMail@declude.com

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

FROMFILE  fromfile D:\iMail\declude\JunkMail.FromFile.txt   x 12 0

# -- Strings In Host Names

@bounce.
@bounceto.
-platinum.
This will work.

When FROMFILE does its thing is it going to search the FROM address in a
CONTAINS type manner (which would allow all of the above entries to have a
chance of blocking spam) or does it only search the FROM address in an
ENDSWITH type manner (where only the Host Names listed above would actually
have a chance of blocking spam)?  I have a feeling it only does an ENDSWITH
but I wanted to make sure.
It works like CONTAINS.  So @bounce. would catch an E-mail from 
[EMAIL PROTECTED].

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] AOL implementing SPF

2004-01-22 Thread Dave Doherty
Check this out

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-5145065.html

-Dave Doherty
 Skywaves, Inc.

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[Declude.JunkMail] strange log with minweight

2004-01-22 Thread Guhl, Markus (LDS)
Title: strange log with minweight






hi,

on loglevel high i found some stranges lines for some of my counterbalance filters. in those filters i use minweight -45. so i expect somthing like

Filter: Set min weight to -45 


but i found:


1/22/2004 14:54:26 Qd5ff0626008e60e7 Filter: Set min weight to .

01/22/2004 14:54:28 Qd5ff0626008e60e7 Triggered CONTAINS filter KEINSPAMHART on spamtest1 [weight--20; spamtest1

01/22/2004 14:54:28 Qd5ff0626008e60e7 Filter: Set min weight to .

01/22/2004 14:54:28 Qd5ff0626008e60e7 Triggered CONTAINS filter KEINSPAMWEICH on spamtest2 [weight--15; spamtest2


is it not possible to use minweight with negativ weights?


mfg

i.a.

gez. markus guhl


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[Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS code 8400000a

2004-01-22 Thread Matt
Scott,

I've been laying low on this one for a while, but BADHEADERS hits for 
not having a proper To address is commonly producing false positives on 
my system with personal E-mail, some of which will cause the messages to 
be held.  The issue here (just in case it was forgotten) is that 
Microsoft allows seemingly all of their mail clients to send without 
specifying a To address, in which case this test gets tripped.  This  
happens mostly on newsletters or BCC blasts, but it also happens on 
personal E-mail on occasion, and it is very highly associated with legit 
E-mail instead of spam (at least on my system). When sending from an 
Exchange Web mail client, the BASE64 test also gets tripped, so this can 
be problematic based on associations as well.

Would you please remove this from hitting, or at least give us an entry 
to turn it off?

Thanks,

Matt

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] please help. Imail spool directory filling up

2004-01-22 Thread Jeffrey Di Gregorio
Title: Message




Thanks to everyone who responded with some advice to my 
problem, even including one phone call. It appears the problem 
began when I added the "FORGINGVIRUS bagel" line to my virus.cfg 
file. Following Scott's advice, andupdating to the newest interim 
release has fixed the problem.
Thanks once again. 

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Di 
Gregorio
Systems 
Administrator
Pacific 
School of 
Religion
510-849-8283




My spool directory just started 
filling up recently and Imail is not delivering any messages to local mailboxes. 
It appears to be sending messages outbound. I am using Imail v 7.07 
with declude junkmail and virus 1.77 i12. I have moved all the Q*, D* 
files from the spool directory to another directory and tried again, but the 
spool directory is only filling up once again. Any help or ideas would be 
greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Di 
Gregorio
Systems 
Administrator
Pacific 
School of 
Religion
510-849-8283



[Declude.JunkMail] Decoding a html attachment

2004-01-22 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
How would you decode the zipped attachment to see what it is doing? It is a
java script.

The attachment (unzipped) was attached to an junkmail with a bunch of
gibberish in the HTML body.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You




politicking.zip
Description: Zip compressed data


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] strange log with minweight

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

on loglevel high i found some stranges lines for some of my counterbalance 
filters. in those filters i use minweight -45. so i expect somthing like

 Filter: Set min weight to -45

but i found:

1/22/2004 14:54:26 Qd5ff0626008e60e7 Filter: Set min weight to .
You can safely ignore that.

is it not possible to use minweight with negativ weights?
It is possible to use negative weights.  The problem is actually due to a 
bug in the logging, where it is not reporting the correct value (but the 
MINWEIGHT option works properly).  This will be fixed for the next interim 
release.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Hijack

2004-01-22 Thread Joshua Hughes
Would you have to specify individual address or could you specify domain?

ie. ALLOWADDR @domain.com

Thank you,
Joshua Hughes
Sunline Team
941-206-7870
888-512-6100

http://www.sunline.net/
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 Is it possible to turn on Declude Hijack for a single domain?

 We don't like that, because it allows spammers a way to bypass Declude
 Hijack.  However, you can use a line ALLOWADDR [EMAIL PROTECTED] to allow
 an E-mail address to send unlimited E-mail.

 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decoding a html attachment

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

How would you decode the zipped attachment to see what it is doing? It is a
java script.
The attachment (unzipped) was attached to an junkmail with a bunch of
gibberish in the HTML body.
This one would be difficult.  Unless you have good math skills and a lot of 
patience, you would need to either run the code or write a program to do it.

In this case, it turns out to generate HTML code that goes to a page at 
http://www.casinos-money.com .

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude Hijack

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

Would you have to specify individual address or could you specify domain?
You would need to specify individual addresses.  The ALLOWADDR option 
requires a full E-mail address.

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?

2004-01-22 Thread paul
Title: Message



Hey guys, I asked this on Imail's list as well, but 
thought I'd see what Declude users do/think:

What I'd like to be able to do, is block all mail 
to a certain account, except from those addresses specified via AUTOWHITELIST. 
Kind of a 'parental control'. Let's say I give my daughter an email address, I 
only want to allow mail from family + friends, but those I specify in her 
contacts list within the webmail, so using Declude's AUTOWHITELIST ON, I can 
weight all mail coming in to her mailbox, say, 100 or so, waaay above delete 
range, but because of the address, it would be delivered. Does that make sense? 


Is anyone else doing this?

Paul





RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New MS updates Bug Report emails making the rounds

2004-01-22 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Title: Message



Doug, that looks 
very, very much like SWEN. TrendMicro records 3 
variants:

http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default2.asp?m=qvirus=SWENalt=SWEN

Andrew.

  
  -Original Message-From: Doug Anderson 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 
  2004 8:13 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] New MS 
  updates  Bug Report emails making the rounds
  Thought I'd warn everyone
  Some different/newer (I haven't seen it before) versions of 
  two emails arefloating around
  
  #1
  From Microsoft Corporation Network Security
  to Commercial customer
  No subject
  Attachment "UPGRADE88.exe"
  It claims to be updates from microsoft.
  
  #2
  From Internet Delivery Service
  To Net Recipient
  Subject Bug Report
  Text : I'm sorry the message returned below could not be 
  delivered to the following addresses:
  Attachment "ctge.exe"
  
  They making the rounds. There 
  wereolder versions, that we were catchingbut they've changed it a 
  bit
  
  So watch out.
  
  Headers are
  
  #1
  Received: from FE-mail03.sfg.albacom.net [213.217.149.83] by 
  mail.ameripride.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A2A9E2A0166; Thu, 
  22 Jan 2004 00:50:17 -0600Received: from wyadonm (217.220.55.169) by 
  FE-mail03.sfg.albacom.net 
  (7.0.009) id 400CF7D10001F68F; 
  Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:48:41 +0100Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:48:41 +0100 
  (added by [EMAIL PROTECTED])Message-ID: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (added by [EMAIL PROTECTED])FROM: 
  "Microsoft Corporation Network Security Center" [EMAIL PROTECTED]TO: 
  "Commercial Customer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]SUBJECT: 
  Mime-Version: 1.0Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 
  boundary="nxjzttswpsxvy"X-RBL-Warning: GIBBERISH: Message failed GIBBERISH 
  test (line 137, weight 0)X-RBL-Warning: ANTI-GIBBERISH: Message failed 
  ANTI-GIBBERISH test (line 106, weight 0)X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [213.217.149.83]X-Declude-Spoolname: D72a90e2a01660543.SMDX-Note: This 
  E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for 
  spam.X-Spam-Tests-Failed: GIBBERISH, ANTI-GIBBERISH [0]X-Note: This 
  E-mail was sent from FE-mail03.albacom.net ([213.217.149.83]).X-RCPT-TO: 
  xxStatus: UX-UIDL: 373063459
  
  (at the end of the email)
  
  Content-Type: application/x-msdownload; n a m e = " U 
  P G R A D E 8 8 . e x e "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 
  base64Content-Disposition: attachment
  
  #2
  Received: from FE-mail04.sfg.albacom.net [213.217.149.84] by 
  mail.ameripride.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A3A6E3A0166; Thu, 
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  FE-mail04.sfg.albacom.net 
  (7.0.009) id 400CB88400024360; 
  Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:52:18 +0100Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:52:18 +0100 
  (added by [EMAIL PROTECTED])Message-ID: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (added by [EMAIL PROTECTED])FROM: 
  "Internet Delivery System" [EMAIL PROTECTED]TO: "Net 
  Recipient" [EMAIL PROTECTED]SUBJECT: Bug 
  ReportMime-Version: 1.0Content-Type: 
  multipart/alternative;boundary="fxsnozzuqz"X-RBL-Warning: 
  GIBBERISH: Message failed GIBBERISH test (line 137, weight 
  0)X-RBL-Warning: ANTI-GIBBERISH: Message failed ANTI-GIBBERISH test (line 
  106, weight 0)X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [213.217.149.84]X-Declude-Spoolname: D73a60e3a0166e227.SMDX-Note: This 
  E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for 
  spam.X-Spam-Tests-Failed: GIBBERISH, ANTI-GIBBERISH [0]X-Note: This 
  E-mail was sent from FE-mail04.albacom.net ([213.217.149.84]).X-RCPT-TO: 
  xxxStatus: UX-UIDL: 373063460
  
  
  (at the end of the email)
  
  Content-Type: audio/x-wav; n a m e = " c t g e . e x e 
  "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64Content-Id: 
  qfrsqcgf
  
  


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS code 8400000a

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

I've been laying low on this one for a while, but BADHEADERS hits for not 
having a proper To address is commonly producing false positives on my 
system with personal E-mail, some of which will cause the messages to be 
held.  The issue here (just in case it was forgotten) is that Microsoft 
allows seemingly all of their mail clients to send without specifying a To 
address, in which case this test gets tripped.  This
happens mostly on newsletters or BCC blasts, but it also happens on 
personal E-mail on occasion, and it is very highly associated with legit 
E-mail instead of spam (at least on my system). When sending from an 
Exchange Web mail client, the BASE64 test also gets tripped, so this can 
be problematic based on associations as well.

Would you please remove this from hitting, or at least give us an entry to 
turn it off?
What version of Declude JunkMail are you using?  The latest interim release 
will not trigger the BADHEADERS test if there is a Bcc: header but no To: 
header (whereas previous versions would), since it is technically OK to 
have no To: header if there is a Bcc: header.

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] Habeas White list

2004-01-22 Thread John Tuncer
Title: Message



Hello,

Is there way to 
block this kind of emails? I am using lite version of 
declude..

Cheers,
John


Received: from cmr-81-9-168-170.telecable.es 
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22 Jan 2004 07:41:23 +0300Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Habeas-SWE-1: 
winter into springX-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipatedX-Habeas-SWE-3: 
like Habeas SWE (tm)X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas 
(tm)X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of 
thisX-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this 
HabeasX-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas 
CompliantX-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of 
thisX-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.From: 
"Billie Hyde" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
"Billie Hyde" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Get 
Meds % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % Pnter.m.in - v|@GRa , S|o|ma - .Valium. Scores on stocks. ShS046nP 
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:47:23 -0100X-Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; 
Linux i686; zh-TW; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 
Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1MIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type: 
multipart/alternative; boundary="--74494022607052460497"X-Priority: 
5X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS code 8400000a

2004-01-22 Thread Matt
I'm using i20 currently. Note that IE and probably Exchange as well, 
will allow a CC field with no To and it would previously produce the 
same results, I mention this because you didn't mention the exception , 
only the BCC exception.  People do of course send out to lists using the 
CC field, especially since IE doesn't show the BCC field by default.

I definitely got an FP this morning on this using a BCC to multiple 
addresses:

From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 22 11:09:35 2004
Received: from *.*.*.org [209.105.181.131] by *.com with 
ESMTP
 (SMTPD32-8.05) id A5BB61017C; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:09:31 -0500
X-Exclaimer-OnMessagePostCategorize-{71daf94f-e3fe-4bbf-865a-6309cc88575e}: 
C:\Program Files\eXclaimer\eXclaimer.dll - 2.0.4.67
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
Importance: normal
Priority: normal
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
   boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C3E102.1D744C46
Subject: [11] Moms
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:09:29 -0500
Message-ID: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: Moms
thread-index: AcPg93uCfg9mp7t5Qme9dmWnmlCzmgACj/+A
From: Patti Tripoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MailPure: 
==
X-MailPure: NOLEGITCONTENT: Failed, no legitimate content detected 
(weight 0).
X-MailPure: HELOBOGUS: Failed, bogus connecting server name (weight 4).
X-MailPure: BASE64: Failed, base64 encoded plain text or HTML (weight 3).
X-MailPure: CONCEALED: Failed, concealed message (weight 1).
X-MailPure: BADHEADERS: Failed, non-RFC compliant headers [840a] 
(weight 4).
X-MailPure: SNIFFER-WHITE: Failed, listed in the White Rules category 
(weight 0).
X-MailPure: WORDFILTER-BODY: Message failed WORDFILTER-BODY test (line 
43, weight 1).
X-MailPure: RECIPIENTS - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-MailPure: 
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R. Scott Perry wrote:


I've been laying low on this one for a while, but BADHEADERS hits for 
not having a proper To address is commonly producing false positives 
on my system with personal E-mail, some of which will cause the 
messages to be held.  The issue here (just in case it was forgotten) 
is that Microsoft allows seemingly all of their mail clients to send 
without specifying a To address, in which case this test gets 
tripped.  This
happens mostly on newsletters or BCC blasts, but it also happens on 
personal E-mail on occasion, and it is very highly associated with 
legit E-mail instead of spam (at least on my system). When sending 
from an Exchange Web mail client, the BASE64 test also gets tripped, 
so this can be problematic based on associations as well.

Would you please remove this from hitting, or at least give us an 
entry to turn it off?


What version of Declude JunkMail are you using?  The latest interim 
release will not trigger the BADHEADERS test if there is a Bcc: header 
but no To: header (whereas previous versions would), since it is 
technically OK to have no To: header if there is a Bcc: header.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Per domain problem

2004-01-22 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Thanks for the clarification.

John Tolmachoff
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 My understanding, that once you have a directory for a domain, you must
 have
 a $default$.junkmail file in there, otherwise no action will be taken at
 all.
 
 The per-domain config file (\IMail\Declude\example.com\$default$.JunkMail
 file) is actually not required.
 
 If a per-user config file exists, Declude JunkMail will use it.
 Otherwise,
 it will check for a per-domain config file, and use that if it exists.  If
 neither of those exists, the \IMail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file will
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Habeas White list

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

Is there way to block this kind of emails? I am using lite version of 
declude..
What you want to do here is not whitelist the spam.  To do that, you can 
temporarily remove the WHITELIST HABEAS line in the 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg file until Habeas sues the spammers.  :)

By removing the whitelist, the standard spam tests should catch the mail.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS code 8400000a

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

I'm using i20 currently. Note that IE and probably Exchange as well, will 
allow a CC field with no To and it would previously produce the same 
results, I mention this because you didn't mention the exception , only 
the BCC exception.  People do of course send out to lists using the CC 
field, especially since IE doesn't show the BCC field by default.
It does seem odd the way that RFCs allow the lone Bcc: header, but not a 
lone Cc: header.

I definitely got an FP this morning on this using a BCC to multiple addresses:
The problem here is that Microsoft forgot to add a Bcc: header.  It's one 
of those weird things, that a Bcc: header is required even though one would 
think that a Bcc: header shouldn't be present (since it won't be completely 
b or blind if the header is there).  But if there is to To: header, 
the Bcc: header should be there.

However, it seems that little spam actually has this problem, so we will 
consider removing it from the BADHEADERS test.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist filter

2004-01-22 Thread Kami Razvan



Scott:

With the new 
release- are these valid lines?

Body Whitelist 
Contains some text
REVDNS 
WhitelistEndswith 
.domain.com
subject whitelist 
startswith [Whitelist]

I guess if this is 
the case the new whitelist just replaces the weight and all other filter syntax 
hold.

Right? 
Wrong?

Regards,
Kami



Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decoding a html attachment

2004-01-22 Thread Matt
That does look troublesome...however...

The following JavaScript function is very spammy and can be weighted 
moderately.  The only things that should FP on such a thing are Web 
designers.  I have never seen this used before, so even among Web 
designers it should be rare.

BODY   5   CONTAINS   string.fromcharcode(

I left the parenthesis in so that you are protected from FP'ing on 
discussions of just the function.

Also note the following example that I found on Google:

   http://www.dragonswest.com/Spam.html

Ick. Someday not only will we need full MIME parsing, but also a full 
HTML and JavaScript decoder built in...For now though, this technique 
may very well prove more damaging than the non-obfuscated version if you 
use that body check.

Matt



R. Scott Perry wrote:


How would you decode the zipped attachment to see what it is doing? 
It is a
java script.

The attachment (unzipped) was attached to an junkmail with a bunch of
gibberish in the HTML body.


This one would be difficult.  Unless you have good math skills and a 
lot of patience, you would need to either run the code or write a 
program to do it.

In this case, it turns out to generate HTML code that goes to a page 
at http://www.casinos-money.com .

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist filter

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

With the new release- are these valid lines?

BodyWhitelistContainssome text
REVDNSWhitelistEndswith.domain.com
subjectwhiteliststartswith[Whitelist]
I guess if this is the case the new whitelist just replaces the weight and 
all other filter syntax hold.
That is correct.  With the latest interim release, you can use any of the 
above lines.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification

2004-01-22 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
 I would like to see the SKIPIFWEIGHT option removed.  If we had a
 conditional option to stop when a specific weight is reached, then there
 would be not need for SKIPIFWEIGHT.  In addition, why would anyone use
 SKIPIFWEIGHT on less than every test...and why would anyone define one
 test with a different SKIPIFWEIGHT value than another test?  This leads
 me back to a HOLDIFWEIGHT/DELETEIFWEIGHT logic which optionally stops
 processing when reached.

Coming in late some my comments may be off.

Scott has stated before that to stop all processing once a certain weight
has been reached would be difficult and/or problematic. That is where
SKIPIFWEIGHT comes in. I use SKIPIFWEIGHT on all body filters, as those are
the most expensive in terms of CPU cost. I then have body filters listed in
order, from most effective to least effective or specific target. Example, I
have a custom body filter on my server for one client only. That is the last
filter to run. 

Also, another reason to not stop processing is if you are doing log analysis
and adjust filters or blocks based on that analysis. If you stop processing
at say 35, but the message would have failed 5 other tests, those tests will
then not show up in log analysis.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BADHEADERS code 8400000a

2004-01-22 Thread Matt
Very much appreciated.  Back when I did a review of hits for this, I 
think it was over 95% FP's. Even if that isn't accurate, it's 
problematic enough to allow us to turn it off.

Thanks,

Matt



R. Scott Perry wrote:


I'm using i20 currently. Note that IE and probably Exchange as well, 
will allow a CC field with no To and it would previously produce the 
same results, I mention this because you didn't mention the exception 
, only the BCC exception.  People do of course send out to lists 
using the CC field, especially since IE doesn't show the BCC field by 
default.


It does seem odd the way that RFCs allow the lone Bcc: header, but not 
a lone Cc: header.

I definitely got an FP this morning on this using a BCC to multiple 
addresses:


The problem here is that Microsoft forgot to add a Bcc: header.  It's 
one of those weird things, that a Bcc: header is required even though 
one would think that a Bcc: header shouldn't be present (since it 
won't be completely b or blind if the header is there).  But if 
there is to To: header, the Bcc: header should be there.

However, it seems that little spam actually has this problem, so we 
will consider removing it from the BADHEADERS test.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification

2004-01-22 Thread Matt




Todd,

Initially I didn't understand why the complexity was necessary, however
it really is in this case. We do gain by having the ability to set
SKIPIFWEIGHT according to individual tests, for instance, in my
negatively weighted PSEUDO-WHITE test, I set the SKIPIFWEIGHT higher
than elsewhere just in case something gets clobbered by the RBL's and
other tests. Also, you might want to skip over a very large
negatively weighted test if a different threshold has already been
reached. What the settings in individual files gives us is added
flexibility at the cost of a little extra complexity.

Regarding the other Global settings that you mentioned, keep in mind
that these would only be useful on servers where everything is treated
the same way, and you could only chose one level to stop processing on,
not two, because after you stop, you can't keep going :) It might be
nice though to have a SKIPIFLOWWEIGHT test that would stop
processing if something scored under a certain number of points, this
way a negatively weighted pseudo-white file or a combination of tests
could be used to save on processing with the rest of the filters. Need
for this seems somewhat limited at the moment, but it would provide
benefit if done properly. SKIPIFWEIGHT could also just simply be
appended with two number fields, one high, and one low, and Scott could
make that backwards compatible I'm sure.

Matt



Todd Holt wrote:

  I would like to see the SKIPIFWEIGHT option removed.  If we had a
conditional option to stop when a specific weight is reached, then there
would be not need for SKIPIFWEIGHT.  In addition, why would anyone use
SKIPIFWEIGHT on less than every test...and why would anyone define one
test with a different SKIPIFWEIGHT value than another test?  This leads
me back to a HOLDIFWEIGHT/DELETEIFWEIGHT logic which optionally stops
processing when reached.

Relating to Dave's comments below:
Would it not be more flexible to move the actionIFWEIGHT options to
the .junkmail file to take advantage of the available scoping options
(system/domain/user)?  This is also more consistent with the existing
.junkmail options such as HEADER, WARN, DELETE, HOLD...


Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV  USA
www.xidix.com
702.319.4349



  
  
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Scott-

I think this is a great idea.

Once we know a message has passed the delete limit, why would we want

  
  to
  
  
keep testing it in routine operations? Of course, we'd need to be able

  
  to
  
  
turn it off when needed for debugging or whatever, but it would save a

  
  lot
  
  
of processing time under normal conditions.

My suggestion would be to define it in global.cfg (maybe QUITIFWEIGHT

  
  ?)
  
  
and
have it become active only when encountered in the junkmail file test
sequence. That would let us group the positive tests first, then any

  
  tests
  
  
we considered mandatory, then QUITIFWEIGHT would stop the processing

  
  at
  
  
that
point or any later point if the specified weight is met or exceeded.

That would minimize the need for SKIPIFWEIGHT and other statements.

My two cents worth, anyway.

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Is there a test, in the works, that will end all

  

  
  processing of
  
  

  
any further filters.  Basically, exit all Declude processing, or is

  

  
  it
  
  

  
best to use the SKIPWEIGHT, thanks,

  
  There isn't anything like that in the works now, but it is something
  

that


  we may end up adding.

-Scott
  


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?

2004-01-22 Thread Matt




Paul,

This isn't something that I would generally try to promote because of
the complexity of maintaining it in most cases, but for one's own
daughter, it might make perfect sense. Something of course though would
need to happen that caused her to get spam though, so it might not be
necessary at all.

You would need the Pro version to do this of course, and instead of
weighting things to her address, what you would do is set up a
weightrange test covering almost everything and then use actions (HOLD,
ROUTETO or DELETE) in a per-user JunkMail file according to the
Manual. Whitelisting will prevent an all inclusive weightrange test
from taking action on an E-mail.

Matt


paul wrote:

  Message
  
  
  
  Hey guys, I asked this on Imail's
list as well, but thought I'd see what Declude users do/think:
  
  What I'd like to be able to do, is
block all mail to a certain account, except from those addresses
specified via AUTOWHITELIST. Kind of a 'parental control'. Let's say I
give my daughter an email address, I only want to allow mail from
family + friends, but those I specify in her contacts list within the
webmail, so using Declude's AUTOWHITELIST ON, I can weight all mail
coming in to her mailbox, say, 100 or so, waaay above delete range, but
because of the address, it would be delivered. Does that make sense? 
  
  Is anyone else doing this?
  
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?

2004-01-22 Thread Madscientist
Hello Paul, Matt

Thursday, January 22, 2004, 1:36:55 PM, you wrote:

M Paul,

M This isn't something that I would generally try to promote
M because ofthe complexity of maintaining it in most cases, but for
M one's owndaughter, it might make perfect sense. Something of course
M though wouldneed to happen that caused her to get spam though, so
M it might not benecessary at all.

M You would need the Pro version to do this of course, and
M instead ofweighting things to her address, what you would do is set
M up aweightrange test covering almost everything and then use
M actions (HOLD,ROUTETO or DELETE)  in a per-user JunkMail file
M according to theManual.  Whitelisting will prevent an all inclusive
M weightrange testfrom taking action on an E-mail.

snip

M   What I'd like to be able to do, isblock all mail to a certain
M account, except from those addressesspecified via AUTOWHITELIST.
M Kind of a 'parental control'. Let's say Igive my daughter an email
M address, I only want to allow mail fromfamily + friends, but those
M I specify in her contacts list within thewebmail, so using
M Declude's AUTOWHITELIST ON, I can weight all mailcoming in to her
M mailbox, say, 100 or so, waaay above delete range, butbecause of
M the address, it would be delivered. Does that make sense? 

We've been experimenting a PL (Private Listcode) methodology for these
scenarios. Specifically, all messages for a particular user (domain
usually) are blocked unless a PL code is present in the message. The
PL code is a random sequence of characters like a password. The group
that uses the code freely passes it around between them. Since no
spammer has the code it can't be abused. The code usually goes into a
signature. If the code becomes compromised then a new code is made up.

We usually create a PL code in Sniffer, but the methodology works
without it - In Declude you would use WHITELIST ANYWHERE plcode, and
block everything else.

Hope this helps,
_M

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?

2004-01-22 Thread paul



This isn't something that I would generally try to promote because 
of the complexity of maintaining it in most cases, but for one's own 
daughter, it might make perfect sense. Something of course though would 
need to happen that caused her to get spam though, so it might not be 
necessary at all.
True, at first, it wouldn't be much of an issue. 

You would need the Pro version to do this of course, 
and instead of weighting things to her address, what you would do is set 
up a weightrange test covering almost everything and then use actions 
(HOLD, ROUTETO or DELETE) in a per-user JunkMail file according to 
the Manual. Whitelisting will prevent an all inclusive weightrange 
test from taking action on an E-mail.Ok, I hadn't thought of the 
per-user configs, we are running pro here, so that's not an issue. I'm just 
wondering the pros to that as apposed to what I had mentioned before. Wouldn't 
having a list of recipients those that were under parental control be 
easier to manipulate? Sure, I have access to all Declude to make adjustments, 
but to make it as user-hands-off as possible, you wouldn't want to do it that 
way..

I guess what I'm asking is: Does Declude have a TO: 
key? like:

mailfrom 15 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is there a 
mailto 0 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]? I don't 
see this on the manual site. 

So a filter file would be defined as:

parentalcontrols 
tofile d:\mail\imail\declude\parentlist.txt 
x 100 0

So message comes in, it's addressed to someone in 
the file, given a 100 weight, and deleted. UNLESS the address is on the users 
webmail contact list.

I'm not trying to repeat the same thing over and 
over, but I'm not sure I'm describing this the way I'm trying to make it 
sound Did that make sense? LOL! Basically, does Declude allow you to 
scan for matches on the TO field?

Thanks Matt! I'll look into the per user 
configurations as well.

Paul





Re: [Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?

2004-01-22 Thread Matt




There's no "TO" filter, and no "FROM" filter either, only ALLRECIPS and
MAILFROM (the SMTP Sender). I would like to have access to these
things though because there are some patterns that can't be done by way
of a HEADERS filter.

Anyway, you could use a filter file, but personally, I would think the
Web mail address book would be easier to maintain. It would though
affect all of your users to have AUTOWHITELIST on, and that can be
especially problematic on very large domains since spammers will BCC
multiple recipients sometimes, and one might have an address to their
Web mail address book. Small domains are not that big of a deal, just
make sure that you don't list your own address in the address book
because spammers will spoof the address they send to in the MAILFROM.

The issue with all of this is that there's always the possibility of
something being sent to multiple addresses on a domain, and having a
whitelist setting or filter file affect that. Declude treats
whitelists globally, and filters can't be used with weights anymore
reliably in this case, you need to rely on per-user actions instead of
weights. Seems that NOT functionality would also benefit this scenario
(and many others).

If you are only looking to do this for one person, I would suggest
going the IMail rules route. That should be the most foolproof method,
but again, don't add her own address in there. If you want to offer
this widely as a configuration to customers, some others on this list
have done just this, but using the whitelist setting connected to the
address book.

Pete's idea wasn't bad, but you'll probably have a hard time telling
Grandma to insert a string with ==$FasdJyeW34df*== in every message :)
I'm sure Pete's counterparts can figure that out though. Seems most
appropriate to discussions relating to spam though.

Matt



paul wrote:

  
  
  
  
  This isn't something that I would generally try to
promote because of the complexity of maintaining it in most
cases, but for one's own daughter, it might make perfect sense.
Something of course though would need to happen that caused her
to get spam though, so it might not be necessary at all.
  
  True, at first, it wouldn't be much
of an issue. 
  
You would need the Pro version to do this of course, and
instead of weighting things to her address, what you would do
is set up a weightrange test covering almost everything and
then use actions (HOLD, ROUTETO or DELETE) in a per-user
JunkMail file according to the Manual. Whitelisting will prevent an
all inclusive weightrange test from taking action on an E-mail.
  
Ok, I hadn't thought of the per-user configs, we are running pro here,
so that's not an issue. I'm just wondering the pros to that as apposed
to what I had mentioned before. Wouldn't having a list of recipients
those that were under parental control be easier to manipulate?
Sure, I have access to all Declude to make adjustments, but to make it
as user-hands-off as possible, you wouldn't want to do it that way..
  
  I guess what I'm asking is: Does
Declude have a TO: key? like:
  
  mailfrom 15 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  is there a 
  mailto 0 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]? I
don't see this on the manual site. 
  
  So a filter file would be defined as:
  
  parentalcontrols tofile
d:\mail\imail\declude\parentlist.txt x 100 0
  
  So message comes in, it's addressed
to someone in the file, given a 100 weight, and deleted. UNLESS the
address is on the users webmail contact list.
  
  I'm not trying to repeat the same
thing over and over, but I'm not sure I'm describing this the way I'm
trying to make it sound Did that make sense? LOL! Basically,
does Declude allow you to scan for matches on the TO field?
  
  Thanks Matt! I'll look into the per
user configurations as well.
  
  Paul
  
  
  


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist filter

2004-01-22 Thread Nick Hayer
Scott - 

Performance wise would one be better off maxing out the global config 
[200 entries] with WHITELISTS and then use WHITELIST in a filter 
file? OR  the filter file exclusively?

Thanks

-Nick Hayer

Date sent:  Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:59:49 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:   R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist filter
Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
 With the new release- are these valid lines?
 
 BodyWhitelistContainssome text
 REVDNSWhitelistEndswith.domain.com
 subjectwhiteliststartswith[Whitelist]
 
 I guess if this is the case the new whitelist just replaces the
 weight and all other filter syntax hold.
 
 That is correct.  With the latest interim release, you can use any of
 the above lines.
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist filter

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

Performance wise would one be better off maxing out the global config
[200 entries] with WHITELISTS and then use WHITELIST in a filter
file? OR  the filter file exclusively?
The performance should be just about the same either way.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Habeas White list

2004-01-22 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi,

May be I'm must lucky - but yesterday I had:

HABEAS..50.04%
HIL...1961.57%

5 messages with HABEAS headers - but 195 mails that failed HABEAS' infringer
list.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Manual

2004-01-22 Thread Darryl Koster
Scott,

I have been away for some time and have been trying to get caught up on the
declude list (its the most active list I have).

Seems that there is a lot of chatter on the mailing list right now with
tests etc that are not in the manual. I am curious will a new manual be
released, or does anyone have any good explanations of some of these tests
on their sites?

Hope someone can help.

Darryl Koster

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification

2004-01-22 Thread Dave Doherty
John-

Doesn't SKIPIFWEIGHT also defeat the logging of the skipped tests?

-Dave Doherty
 Skywaves, Inc.

- Original Message - 
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification


 I would like to see the SKIPIFWEIGHT option removed.  If we had a
 conditional option to stop when a specific weight is reached, then there
 would be not need for SKIPIFWEIGHT.  In addition, why would anyone use
 SKIPIFWEIGHT on less than every test...and why would anyone define one
 test with a different SKIPIFWEIGHT value than another test?  This leads
 me back to a HOLDIFWEIGHT/DELETEIFWEIGHT logic which optionally stops
 processing when reached.

Coming in late some my comments may be off.

Scott has stated before that to stop all processing once a certain weight
has been reached would be difficult and/or problematic. That is where
SKIPIFWEIGHT comes in. I use SKIPIFWEIGHT on all body filters, as those are
the most expensive in terms of CPU cost. I then have body filters listed in
order, from most effective to least effective or specific target. Example, I
have a custom body filter on my server for one client only. That is the last
filter to run.

Also, another reason to not stop processing is if you are doing log analysis
and adjust filters or blocks based on that analysis. If you stop processing
at say 35, but the message would have failed 5 other tests, those tests will
then not show up in log analysis.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Manual

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

Seems that there is a lot of chatter on the mailing list right now with
tests etc that are not in the manual. I am curious will a new manual be
released, or does anyone have any good explanations of some of these tests
on their sites?
The general rule of thumb is that the manual is updated to include new 
tests (and other features) whenever a released version comes out.  For 
betas (and interim releases), the features are discussed on the list.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Junk Mail Stats

2004-01-22 Thread Jeff Kratka
Pardon my ignorance but what are people using to get the stats from junk
mail?

Jeff Kratka

*
TymeWyse Internet
P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417
tel/fax: (541) 839-6027  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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HABEAS..50.04%
HIL...1961.57%

5 messages with HABEAS headers - but 195 mails that failed HABEAS' infringer
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?

2004-01-22 Thread Bill
Title: Message



Hi 
Paul,

You 
may want to try my whitelist/blacklist program. It isa per user 
utility and has a strict mode where everything is blacklisted unless it is 
specifically whitelisted. I use it extensively and many other postmasters 
us it also. You can get more information and download it 
at:

www.wamusa.com/wamcheck

Thanks,
Bill

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of paulSent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:16 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] restricted mailing?
  Hey guys, I asked this on Imail's list as well, 
  but thought I'd see what Declude users do/think:
  
  What I'd like to be able to do, is block all mail 
  to a certain account, except from those addresses specified via AUTOWHITELIST. 
  Kind of a 'parental control'. Let's say I give my daughter an email address, I 
  only want to allow mail from family + friends, but those I specify in her 
  contacts list within the webmail, so using Declude's AUTOWHITELIST ON, I can 
  weight all mail coming in to her mailbox, say, 100 or so, waaay above delete 
  range, but because of the address, it would be delivered. Does that make 
  sense? 
  
  Is anyone else doing this?
  
  Paul
  
  
  


[Declude.JunkMail] Null Sender Messages to Multiple Recipients

2004-01-22 Thread Andy Schmidt
Title: Message



Hi:

I noted the 
following on the SPF site: 

"In either case an 
MTA should reject messages from null senders that have more than one 
recipient."

Imail only allows to 
either permit or deny null senders.But, the above statement sounds obvious 
- an automated bounce message would be directed to the ONE and only 
sender. 

Is this something 
worthwhile to test on?
Best 
RegardsAndy SchmidtHM Systems Software, Inc.600 East Crescent 
Avenue, Suite 203Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 
(Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206http://www.HM-Software.com/ 



[Declude.JunkMail] Joy!

2004-01-22 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
As Jerry Pournelle has often said You may not get this level of service.

http://www.theregister.com/content/55/35044.html

I wonder if all the spammers have this guy on their 17 trillion addresses
CD.  I could only hope.

Andrew 8)
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Junk Mail Stats

2004-01-22 Thread Andy Schmidt
Hi,

This was an excerpt from Dlanalyzer.


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 04:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Junk Mail Stats


Pardon my ignorance but what are people using to get the stats from junk
mail?

Jeff Kratka

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Null Sender Messages to Multiple Recipients

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

I noted the following on the SPF site:

In either case an MTA should reject messages from null senders that have 
more than one recipient.

Imail only allows to either permit or deny null senders. But, the above 
statement sounds obvious - an automated bounce message would be directed 
to the ONE and only sender.

Is this something worthwhile to test on?
This is a tricky one.  While the RFCs do not specify any reason for an 
E-mail with a null sender to have multiple recipients, the RFCs do not say 
that it is not allowed.  Therefore, doing so can technically break RFC 
compliance.

I just checked some spam we have here, and out of over 10,000 spams, it 
looks like only 1 used a null sender.  So while this might make for an 
interesting test, it probably would not catch much spam.

   -Scott
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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist file

2004-01-22 Thread Kami Razvan



Scott:

So it seems like 
with the new Whitelist filter the whitelist file that was supposed to be listed 
in the $default$.junkmail is pretty much obsolete since we can 
do:

mailfrom 
whitelistcontains [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That should pretty 
much do the same thing.. and we can keep all of our whitelist actions in one 
place.

right?

Regards,
Kami


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist file

2004-01-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

So it seems like with the new Whitelist filter the whitelist file that was 
supposed to be listed in the $default$.junkmail is pretty much obsolete 
since we can do:

mailfrom whitelist   contains 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

That should pretty much do the same thing.. and we can keep all of our 
whitelist actions in one place.

right?
Correct.  However, WHITELISTFILE still has the advantage that it can be 
applied on a per-user/per-domain basis.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification

2004-01-22 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
If a filter is skipped by SKIPIFWEIGHT, at that point I am not concerned
about logging that filter, as I do not want it to run. Remember,
SKIPIFWEIGHT is only for filters.

However, what if a message gets a high weight early, but then would get a
negative weight from a filter? You took action before the message had a
chance to get the negative weight. 

What if you are checking to see the effectiveness of one test compared to
others? If processing is stopped short, that test may not be run on all
messages.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:00 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
 
 John-
 
 Doesn't SKIPIFWEIGHT also defeat the logging of the skipped tests?
 
 -Dave Doherty
  Skywaves, Inc.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:04 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
 
 
  I would like to see the SKIPIFWEIGHT option removed.  If we had a
  conditional option to stop when a specific weight is reached, then there
  would be not need for SKIPIFWEIGHT.  In addition, why would anyone use
  SKIPIFWEIGHT on less than every test...and why would anyone define one
  test with a different SKIPIFWEIGHT value than another test?  This leads
  me back to a HOLDIFWEIGHT/DELETEIFWEIGHT logic which optionally stops
  processing when reached.
 
 Coming in late some my comments may be off.
 
 Scott has stated before that to stop all processing once a certain weight
 has been reached would be difficult and/or problematic. That is where
 SKIPIFWEIGHT comes in. I use SKIPIFWEIGHT on all body filters, as those
 are
 the most expensive in terms of CPU cost. I then have body filters listed
 in
 order, from most effective to least effective or specific target. Example,
 I
 have a custom body filter on my server for one client only. That is the
 last
 filter to run.
 
 Also, another reason to not stop processing is if you are doing log
 analysis
 and adjust filters or blocks based on that analysis. If you stop
 processing
 at say 35, but the message would have failed 5 other tests, those tests
 will
 then not show up in log analysis.
 
 John Tolmachoff
 Engineer/Consultant/Owner
 eServices For You
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification

2004-01-22 Thread Todd Holt
1. Place negative weight tests first.
2. While testing effectiveness of a single test, place it first or turn
off the stop processing flag for a period of time.

Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV  USA
www.xidix.com
702.319.4349



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
 
 If a filter is skipped by SKIPIFWEIGHT, at that point I am not
concerned
 about logging that filter, as I do not want it to run. Remember,
 SKIPIFWEIGHT is only for filters.
 
 However, what if a message gets a high weight early, but then would
get a
 negative weight from a filter? You took action before the message had
a
 chance to get the negative weight.
 
 What if you are checking to see the effectiveness of one test compared
to
 others? If processing is stopped short, that test may not be run on
all
 messages.
 
 John Tolmachoff
 Engineer/Consultant/Owner
 eServices For You
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty
  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:00 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
 
  John-
 
  Doesn't SKIPIFWEIGHT also defeat the logging of the skipped tests?
 
  -Dave Doherty
   Skywaves, Inc.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:04 PM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
 
 
   I would like to see the SKIPIFWEIGHT option removed.  If we had a
   conditional option to stop when a specific weight is reached, then
 there
   would be not need for SKIPIFWEIGHT.  In addition, why would anyone
use
   SKIPIFWEIGHT on less than every test...and why would anyone define
one
   test with a different SKIPIFWEIGHT value than another test?  This
 leads
   me back to a HOLDIFWEIGHT/DELETEIFWEIGHT logic which optionally
stops
   processing when reached.
 
  Coming in late some my comments may be off.
 
  Scott has stated before that to stop all processing once a certain
 weight
  has been reached would be difficult and/or problematic. That is
where
  SKIPIFWEIGHT comes in. I use SKIPIFWEIGHT on all body filters, as
those
  are
  the most expensive in terms of CPU cost. I then have body filters
listed
  in
  order, from most effective to least effective or specific target.
 Example,
  I
  have a custom body filter on my server for one client only. That is
the
  last
  filter to run.
 
  Also, another reason to not stop processing is if you are doing log
  analysis
  and adjust filters or blocks based on that analysis. If you stop
  processing
  at say 35, but the message would have failed 5 other tests, those
tests
  will
  then not show up in log analysis.
 
  John Tolmachoff
  Engineer/Consultant/Owner
  eServices For You
 
 
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Decoding a html attachment

2004-01-22 Thread Sanford Whiteman
 I  have  never seen this used before, so even among Web designers it
 should be rare.

That's  a  preferred syntax for Flash ActionScript. Can't tell you how
often  it's used in general, but it's all over one of our projects. So
web shops, or those corresponding with same, should be wary. It has no
reason to be in an HTML attachment, however; the combo is the red flag
to me.

--Sandy



Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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[Declude.JunkMail] New MS updates Bug Report emails making the rounds

2004-01-22 Thread Doug Anderson



Thought I'd warn everyone
Some different/newer (I haven't seen it before) versions of 
two emails arefloating around

#1
From Microsoft Corporation Network Security
to Commercial customer
No subject
Attachment "UPGRADE88.exe"
It claims to be updates from microsoft.

#2
From Internet Delivery Service
To Net Recipient
Subject Bug Report
Text : I'm sorry the message returned below could not be 
delivered to the following addresses:
Attachment "ctge.exe"

They making the rounds. There 
wereolder versions, that we were catchingbut they've changed it a 
bit

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