Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-15 Thread Kerry Sainsbury
Mark Derricutt wrote: Max Nilson wrote: There are already a couple of OpenSource type efforts underway to do a VCL type library based on one of the X toolkits for the Free Pascal Compiler (FPK). Yup, there's Medigo (i think) which is doing it's MCL wrapper around GTK which should

RE: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-12 Thread Ian Farquharson
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carl Reynolds Sent: Friday, 12 March 1999 12:37 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: RE: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG) Max Nilson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: There are two main

Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-12 Thread Tony Blomfield
Modify or Re design the VCL??? You guys a gotta be in ga ga land. Man, like this is bullshit. Max Fox was onto it, and said it all for me.I mean lets get a little practical about all this. Are all your egos so inflated that you actually think you can out do the guys in Borland ??? So why are

Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-12 Thread Mark Derricutt
I hate to bring the flogging of dead horses back, as thats just criminally insane. But when this VCL thread started a few days ago, an immediate thought came to mind. Max/Ian have spoken at great lengths decribing how to replaced TEdit and the Grids, I wonder, how much do these new controls

RE: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-12 Thread Patrick Dunford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Derricutt Sent: Friday, 12 March 1999 23:40 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG) snip Some of you may guess

Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-12 Thread Nic Wise
The origins of Object Pascal were with Apple. They managed to implement it without the Win32 API. Object Pascal has nothing to do with the VCL - aside from that fact that its written in OP. OP has NO ties Win32. The VCL is build on Win32, it exists around its messaging model etc. If you have a

RE: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-12 Thread Peter Hyde
Ian wrote: I thought perhaps we needed a timelock, but the version we published only worked for D3 so we effectively had a timelock. You almost certainly needed some kind of lock or nag. "...only worked for D3..." basically means: a) Anyone using D3 gets it for free b) Anyone using D4

Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-12 Thread Mark Derricutt
Max Nilson wrote: 100% pure GDI and Windows event handling is used in the production of these new controls 8-) Eeek :) I fear to tread on even LOOKING at that code Max :) There are already a couple of OpenSource type efforts underway to do a VCL type library based on one of the X toolkits

RE: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-11 Thread Carl Reynolds
Max Nilson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: There are two main problems with marketing any Delphi component from our experience. One is that the time to properly document a component is fairly long, almost as long as it takes to write them. The other is in having enough time to spend actually

RE: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-11 Thread Max Nilson
Carl Reynolds replied to me: Well if you can't abide the standard Windows controls then you do have a problem: you're using an operating system you don't like. I'm not very fond of Windows myself, but I'm not quite so ambitious as to attempt to supersede all of the underlying Windows

RE: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-11 Thread phillipm
Max Nilson wrote: I have to point out here that my issues are with the standard Windows control types, not with the actual OS itself. I'm quite happy with the kernal, the GDI and most of the Windowing and event handling code, its just the existing controls that are weak. Strictly speaking we have

Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-11 Thread Nic Wise
By replacing controls such as the edit control you are alienating yourself from automatic updates if Microsoft ever changes or updates the way those controls work. In the near future Windows 2000 will be out and there may significant changes to the user interface (unlikely - but there may),

Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-11 Thread aaron
Just my 0.02c. With all of the donations we should have enough for Friday drinkies by now. With everyone so up in arms about shortcomings of the VCL why do we not start an open source project at delphi.org.nz... Discuss a class hierarchy and methodology and begin to provide functionality to

RE: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG)

1999-03-11 Thread Maurice Butler
-Original Message- From: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 11 March 1999 22:22 To: Multiple recipients of list delphi Subject: Re: [DUG]: RE: Fixing the VCL (LONG) Good Idea, I have been slowly encapsulating the date/time functions into a type (ie rap all the date and time