[mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of John Bird
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011 13:43
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] FW: Web development
I am mystified why any government organisations would be stuck on IE6 given
its the best door for any hacker wanting
] On
Behalf Of Paul A Norman
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011 6:12 PM
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] FW: Web development
Useful browser share graphs published by arstechnica today afaik:--
Microsoft and Mozilla's continuing Chrome conundrum
http://arstechnica.com/web/news
I think you're probably using tools like:
print phello/p;
LOL
Well, ultimately anyone writing (emitting) HTML is using tools *exactly*
like that.
The question is, what tool do you use to create the code that ends up
emitting it, if you don't emit it directly yourself ?
The problem I
Jolyon == Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz writes:
Jolyon The question is, what tool do you use to create the code
Jolyon that ends up emitting it, if you don't emit it directly
Jolyon yourself ?
There are many techniques but a simple one is using something like
TXMLWriter, see
Ditto Javascript which is perfectly valid but which doesn't work the way you
expect in browser X, Y, Z or perm any N from M.
This a major reason to use clientside frameworks like jQuery, Ext etc.
It centralises the browser dependency issues. You still have the big
pain of wildly different
Well thats where half my time goes, getting the things to work on all
browsers - especially the MS ones. Then there are people still using IE7!!
On 7/06/2011 9:39 a.m., Jolyon Smith wrote:
My problem isn't invalid HTML - it is perfectly valid HTML but which
doesn't render the way you expect
from others?
John
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From: Rohit Gupta
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:22 AM
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] FW: Web development
Well thats where half my time goes, getting the things to work on all
browsers - especially the MS ones
Forget IE7, I believe 1 in 10 people surfing the net still use IE 6 (though I
think a lot of them are in China)...
For our company, 6% of users hitting our site use IE 6... can't ignore even 6%!
Regards
Colin
On 7/06/2011, at 10:22 AM, Rohit Gupta wrote:
Well thats where half my time goes,
Jolyon == Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz writes:
Jolyon My problem isn't invalid HTML - it is perfectly valid
Jolyon HTML but which doesn't render the way you expect in
Jolyon browser X, Y Z or perm any N from M.
Jolyon Ditto Javascript which is perfectly valid but which
Not just J++ .NET was the EEE for Java. They had to settle for EE-ASLJC
Embrace
Extend
Aw shucks, let's just co-exist
:)
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It's about complaining that an API call on Windows
95 works differently from Windows 8.
Except that by and large they don't - in fact, the complaint is often quite
the reverse (Why don't MS fix/improve this API in Windows 8? - answer:
because it has to continue to work the same in all Windows
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HI all,
At 10:47 on 7/06/2011 Colin wrote
Forget IE7, I believe 1 in 10 people surfing the net still use IE 6 (though I
think a lot of them are in China)...
For our company, 6% of users hitting our site use IE 6... can't ignore even 6%!
In New Zealand many large organisations at
On 7 June 2011 12:29, Gary T. Benner g...@benner.co.nz wrote:
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HI all,
At 10:47 on 7/06/2011 Colin wrote
Forget IE7, I believe 1 in 10 people surfing the net still use IE 6 (though
I think a lot of them are in China)...
For our company, 6% of users hitting our site use IE 6...
Try that again :)
As Gary points out Google Frame can sit inside IE - of virtually any
current flavour.
So we settled on focussing, when we needed to know the browser in
advance, on Chrome.
Which is sort of a shame because Firefox is excellent especially from
a developer's point of view, and
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Subject: Re: [DUG] FW: Web development
On 7 June 2011 12:29, Gary T. Benner g...@benner.co.nz wrote:
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HI all,
At 10:47 on 7/06/2011 Colin wrote
Forget IE7, I believe 1 in 10 people surfing the net still use IE 6
(though I think a lot of them are in China
Hi Phil
Ditto Javascript which is perfectly valid but which doesn't work the way you
expect in browser X, Y, Z or perm any N from M.
This a major reason to use clientside frameworks like jQuery, Ext etc.
It centralises the browser dependency issues. You still have the big
pain of
[Reply]
HI all,
At 12:53 on 7/06/2011 Paul wrote
I was in Villa, Vanuatu visiting with the Red Cross there once and
was introduced in a Duty Free shop (should have perhaps been called an
'ethics free shop') to a pack for $50 USD which identified itself as
being from mainland China which had
I am mystified why any government organisations would be stuck on IE6 given
its the best door for any hacker wanting to intrude into a system. Its how
Google was penetrated 18 months ago - hackers found workstations that had to
use IE6 for historical reasons (reasons that were not all that
Of John Bird
Sent: Tuesday, 7 June 2011 13:43
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] FW: Web development
I am mystified why any government organisations would be stuck on IE6 given
its the best door for any hacker wanting to intrude into a system. Its how
Google
I guess Jolon is still using MSIE, right? .. The developer tools that are
built into Google Chrome browser for example are quite good for debugging
HTML/CSS(and even JavaScript). Just right click on the elements whose markup
you want to see and say inspect and it will show you all the code and css
We have moved some of our stuff to Java, and are quite happy so far.
In terms of rapid development (in the Java world), there are things like Spring
Roo and Seam Forge, the latter being the newest and least documented...
I have had a little look, but nothing serious so can't really comment that
HTML in the first
place.
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From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Stefan Mueller
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 23:49
To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
Subject: [DUG] FW: Web development
I guess Jolon is still using
Jolyon == Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz writes:
Jolyon Inspect Element is good for seeing what HTML you or your
Jolyon framework has spat out, but it doesn't help you spit out
Jolyon the right HTML in the first place.
I think you're probably using tools like:
print phello/p;
I am an outside observer of Web development as I don't personally do it
either, but interested to find the best practice tools to pick up, as its
such a promising area for the future. I guess like a lot of Delphi
programmers, if we are going to pick up web development (and seems to be the
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