> My position on this is, that once we provide Revert or Undo button,
> we'll (logically) have to add a Redo button, too.
> So, another idea could again be a dual button, this time [ ← | → ]
> (the icons should be those the global Undo/Redo function uses, too) --
> these would duplicate only those
Thanks for your feedback on this, Astron. I'll try to address the
issues that you pointed out.
Em -10-01--28163 16:59, Astron escreveu:
Additionally, global undo/redo should work. Adding a dedicated
[Revert] button to the dialog also wouldn't make much sense (at least
to me -- if you anyone c
Hi everyone,
@Bernhard:
> 1. [Apply] button as standard:
> Every change is visible immediately (or after a short time as Christoph
> suggests) in the document.
>
> a. The user wants to keep the changes and leave the dialog:
> -> Just press [Close]
> b. The user wants to revert the change
Hi Christoph, all
I just want to add an idea - not even thought to the end, but perhaps
some valuable input to reduce the numbers of buttons...
It's not too different to Heinzs/Astron's proposal when he started the
thread, but avoids name changes on the buttons.:
[Help] needs quite a lot of
Hi Octavio, all!
Thanks for joining this discussion :-)
Am Dienstag, den 26.04.2011, 11:28 -0700 schrieb Octavio Alvarez:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:56:40 -0700, Sparkling Specks
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in
> > dialogs, "Apply," to ap
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:56:40 -0700, Sparkling Specks
wrote:
Hi,
In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in
dialogs, "Apply," to apply changes made in dialogues without closing
the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five or six
buttons on the bottom of ma
> I didn't understand the Version 1 and Version 2
> thing, though. Version 1 seems very sane and usable, but is it in
> substitution to the 'Revert' function?
Me, I must admit I didn't really understand version 2, either. Take
another look at the wiki page: I killed it yesterday.
Basically, my prop
Hi all,
when I first subscribed to this list a couple of months ago, I had that
beatiful idea of helping new users to learn and use styles instead of
direct formatting. I since have educated myself a little (this list
helped a lot), only to find this is a much more difficult task that I
first
2011/4/25 Astron :
> Hey Ricardo,
>>> * What happens for different objects with the same properties
>>> dialog? For example, the user edits "Text Style 1" and does some
>>> changes.
>>
>> Well, right now this is not possible: when you open the first dialogue
>> everything else in
Hey Ricardo,
>> * What happens for different objects with the same properties
>> dialog? For example, the user edits "Text Style 1" and does some
>> changes.
>
> Well, right now this is not possible: when you open the first dialogue
> everything else in the UI gets immediately lo
Hey.
> Since I'm running out of time, just a short reply :-)
I'm going to start with: that's still an alot of things to ponder...
Thank you for all this input, also on the buttons proposal -- I didn't
even think of most of these scenarios (although they should have been
fairly obvious). I'll try t
2011/4/24 Christoph Noack :
> * What happens for different objects with the same properties
> dialog? For example, the user edits "Text Style 1" and does some
> changes.
Well, right now this is not possible: when you open the first dialogue
everything else in the UI gets immedia
Hi Astron!
Since I'm running out of time, just a short reply :-)
Am Samstag, den 23.04.2011, 22:10 +0200 schrieb Astron:
> Hey there,
>
> > The downsides I can think of:
> > * The additional button made it easier to distinguish between the
> >Paragraph and Paragraph Styles Dialog
>
Hi Astron!
Wow, I'm impressed :-) That's very good to start with ... cool that
you've already added the Competitor View. Good analysis!
Am Freitag, den 22.04.2011, 23:29 +0200 schrieb Astron:
> Hi,
> so, I've started a Whiteboard page at
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Pro
Hey there,
> The downsides I can think of:
> * The additional button made it easier to distinguish between the
> Paragraph and Paragraph Styles Dialog
> * The button below all tabs makes clear that pressing it might
> affect all dialog elements (which by the way is not true
Hi,
so, I've started a Whiteboard page at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/PropertiesButtonLayout
. It could still use some formatting and I'm not too sure about how to
embed the images the best way but see for yourselves.
Astron.
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Hi Ricardo!
Am Dienstag, den 19.04.2011, 22:49 +0200 schrieb RGB ES:
> 2011/4/19 Christoph Noack :
[... Paragraph Styles Stuff ...]
> What about this crazy idea?: reset the style to former status is an
> "administrative task", so let's put the Standard button *only on the
> Organizer tab*, for
Hi A...stron :-)
Am Freitag, den 22.04.2011, 00:20 +0200 schrieb Astron:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Christoph Noack
> wrote:
> > Hi Aaron, all!
> Oh my, so this is what my penchant for having so many online personas
> leads... Going forward, I will be Aaron/Astron.
Hehe, I just picked w
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Christoph Noack
wrote:
> Hi Aaron, all!
Oh my, so this is what my penchant for having so many online personas
leads... Going forward, I will be Aaron/Astron.
> But today (at least in the version of Rhythmbox I use), it doesn't
> change the button caption - t
Hi Aaron, all!
Am Mittwoch, den 20.04.2011, 21:27 +0200 schrieb Sparkling Specks:
> Hello,
>
> wow, this has gotten out of hand, ha.
;-) Hehe, depends on the topic ...
> Sorry for not answering for so
> long -- school kept me busy today. Anyway, the animation was indeed
> made with screenshot t
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:42 PM, RGB ES wrote:
> 2011/4/20 Sparkling Specks :
>> Okay, to counter some of the criticism: the rule against buttons
>> changing their role seems to play less of a role, today, see for
>> instance Rhythmbox's current Play/Pause button.
>
> Play/pause on same button hav
Heinz,
You brought up underlying issue of what is a good design for a user
interface. The best I can say is that are general guidelines/rules that
are followed. But one must determine when it is best to break or bend
the rules for a better user interface.
On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 21:27 +0200, Sparkl
2011/4/20 Sparkling Specks :
> Okay, to counter some of the criticism: the rule against buttons
> changing their role seems to play less of a role, today, see for
> instance Rhythmbox's current Play/Pause button.
Play/pause on same button have an history: a stereo I got on late '80s
had such "setu
Hello,
wow, this has gotten out of hand, ha. Sorry for not answering for so
long -- school kept me busy today. Anyway, the animation was indeed
made with screenshot tool and GIMP, the red circles and some text were
made in Inkscape -- that was quite tedious.
Okay, to counter some of the criticism
Vamsi and All,
On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 09:52 -0400, Vamsi Kodali wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> I am a little late to join the party...
> Heinzs, it is indeed a very nice animation. I too would like to know how you
> made it.
>
> I was wondering if we could move the 'Revert' button next to the setti
Hello everyone!
I am a little late to join the party...
Heinzs, it is indeed a very nice animation. I too would like to know how you
made it.
I was wondering if we could move the 'Revert' button next to the setting itself
instead of keeping it next to the standard Close, Reset, etc buttons at t
Hi Christoph,
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 23:41 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote:
> Hi Ricardo!
>
> Am Dienstag, den 19.04.2011, 23:36 +0200 schrieb RGB ES:
> > 2011/4/19 Christoph Noack :
> > > Let's assume that any change within this dialog applies the changes
> > > immediately (reasonable with regard
Hi all
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 22:49 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> 2011/4/19 Christoph Noack :
> > Hi Heinzs, hi Ricardo, hi Jay!
> >
> > First, I have to agree that the animation was excellent - it's great to
> > see how you "packaged" the idea. How did you make that (some time ago, I
> > used Gimp to cr
Hi Ricardo!
Am Dienstag, den 19.04.2011, 23:36 +0200 schrieb RGB ES:
> 2011/4/19 Christoph Noack :
> > Let's assume that any change within this dialog applies the changes
> > immediately (reasonable with regard to today's computational power).
>
> Uhmm, there are not-so-difficult cases on which t
2011/4/19 Christoph Noack :
> Let's assume that any change within this dialog applies the changes
> immediately (reasonable with regard to today's computational power).
Uhmm, there are not-so-difficult cases on which this could not be
true. Suppose you have a complex document of a couple of hundre
2011/4/19 Christoph Noack :
> Hi Heinzs, hi Ricardo, hi Jay!
>
> First, I have to agree that the animation was excellent - it's great to
> see how you "packaged" the idea. How did you make that (some time ago, I
> used Gimp to create animations but it was a tedious task...)?
>
> Now to the more det
2011/4/19 planas :
>> Agree. Sadly there is not an easy solution for this. A possibility
>> would be to "merge" buttons (normal click to accept, long click to
>> apply, or add a "menu" to accept button, so if you click on it you
>> accept, but with long click a menu opens), but this will only chang
Hi Heinzs, hi Ricardo, hi Jay!
First, I have to agree that the animation was excellent - it's great to
see how you "packaged" the idea. How did you make that (some time ago, I
used Gimp to create animations but it was a tedious task...)?
Now to the more detailed stuff ...
Am Dienstag, den 19.04.
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 21:11 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> 2011/4/19 planas :
> > On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 14:56 +0200, Sparkling Specks wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in
> >> dialogs, "Apply," to apply changes made in dialogues without closing
> >> t
2011/4/19 planas :
> On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 14:56 +0200, Sparkling Specks wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in
>> dialogs, "Apply," to apply changes made in dialogues without closing
>> the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five or six
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 14:56 +0200, Sparkling Specks wrote:
> Hi,
> In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in
> dialogs, "Apply," to apply changes made in dialogues without closing
> the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five or six
> buttons on the bottom
Hi,
In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in
dialogs, "Apply," to apply changes made in dialogues without closing
the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five or six
buttons on the bottom of many properties dialogs, "OK," "Apply,"
"Cancel," "Reset," ("Default
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