Re: Dropping fallback mode in 3.8

2012-11-22 Thread Alan Cox
It's a series of chipsets involved GMA500 ('Poulsbo') GMA600 ('Oaktrail') GMA3600 ('Cedartrail') GMA3650 ('Cedartrail') E6xx ('Tunnel Creek') The unaccelerated driver is quite happy with 2D desktops but LLVMpipe and the paths used by the Gnome bling and compositing seem to hit it a lot harder.

Re: Dropping fallback mode in 3.8

2012-11-22 Thread Alan Cox
How could GNOME encourage decent drivers? Have the GNOME foundation ask the company? Go via Linux Foundation? Maybe some kind of request? Would throwing money at it help (how much?)? I am not that sure. The business and politics of graphics controllers is a good deal bigger and more

Re: Dropping fallback mode in 3.8

2012-11-22 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 05:47:30 -0500 Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: The hardware accelerated graphics API that the rest of the world has depended upon is OpenGL, minus Direct3D for obvious reasons. It's unfortunate, but if OpenGL isn't supported on these devices, a hardware

Re: Dropping fallback mode in 3.8

2012-11-21 Thread Alan Cox
GNOME shell should work on any graphics card 5 years or older. We should have good data backing this up as I know that Fedora has done QA on a number of hardware to test gnome-shell in order to know what hardware profiles shell will work on. Its passably usable (lot of laggy movement) on a

Re: Dropping fallback mode in 3.8

2012-11-21 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:50:37 +0100 Raphaël Jacquot sxp...@sxpert.org wrote: On 21 nov. 2012, at 21:31, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: A classic mode for GNOME Shell could make use of less expensive effects that could relieve the software rendenrer making the experience a lot nicer

Re: GnomeGoal for 3.8: DesktopFileKeywords

2012-11-15 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:26:22 + Maciej Piechotka uzytkown...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 16:48 +0100, Henrique Ferreiro wrote: Not sure matching in other languages, including english, is a good idea. The typical $locale user is searching for a word in

Re: Preserved Window Placement

2012-10-26 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:39:56 -0400 Havoc Pennington h...@pobox.com wrote: The XSMP spec is more or less impossible to make sense out of. But to the extent people have tried, it has not been a useful undertaking. If someone took XSMP round the back and shot it while adding support for a better

Re: Preserved Window Placement

2012-10-25 Thread Alan Cox
I started this discussion because I'm getting really frustrated with the lack of window state preservation on Linux. I understand that this involves a lot of different pieces of software. I am talking about the desired end result. I probably do not have a complete understanding of the various

Re: Preserved Window Placement

2012-10-24 Thread Alan Cox
order they were in. Most applications seem to remember whether or not they were maximized previously. But all of these features are part of the individual programs (and extensions in Firefox's case). It's supposed to be a property of the X session management, including automatically

Re: Some points about IM integration

2012-05-15 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 16 May 2012 00:05:40 +0800 Justin Wong justin.w...@gmail.com wrote: Imagine, just imagine one day a desktop environment named the Kernel Desktop Environment (KDE), would be integrated to linux kernel for better user experience. We've got one .. it's called the console. It has an

Re: Text Cursor Movement Via Arrow Keys

2012-04-05 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:45:33 -0500 Jason Simanek jsima...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I don't know if this is the place to discuss this, but I have a request concerning text cursor movement as it is controlled via the arrow keys on the keyboard. Currently on all Linux desktops that I am aware of

Re: RFC: Securing maintainer uploads to master.gnome.org

2011-11-11 Thread Alan Cox
In fact, I think the lack of fine grained ACLs for this sort of thing is one part of GNOME that work better than projects that try to lock things down more aggressively. Locking stuff down means reducing the attack surface (eg getting rid of shell accounts) and who can write stuff to trusted

Re: RFC: Securing maintainer uploads to master.gnome.org

2011-11-10 Thread Alan Cox
If any of the 350+ has their machine compromised, someone could easily use that to reach shell on master.gnome.org. I don't want that to be possible. If you have 350+ users with hosts and some of them were shared wth kernel.org in the past I'd suggest When or Probably not If a. rsync

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v6)

2011-10-18 Thread Alan Cox
AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last graphics chip in use was able to run shell. It's not there as a preference, it's a fallback mode for unsupported hardware. Plenty of people see it as a preference, but right now on the hardware side there are plenty of chipsets without

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Alan Cox
Someone said, well, if it is my house, I should be able to chose, the reason that rationale doesn't work is because the GNOME Shell experience should be designed to be inclusive, so this is really closer to an office building or an apartment building instead of a private house. The flaw in

Re: Features !

2011-10-06 Thread Alan Cox
You're assuming the install and the setup is done by a) the same person that is going to use the computer, which is not the case most of the time and b) that the person that uses the computer is always the same one. No. Not true, some seats have unique users (think of a university lab, or a

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v6)

2011-09-19 Thread Alan Cox
There's been a lot of work done to improve GNOME 3 over the last 6 months. A lot of the complaints of GNOME 3.0 have been already addressed. Why not just do it after (even more!) distros ship GNOME 3.2? The first one is probably going to shed more light on what should be asked than anything

Re: Notes on extensions.gnome.org security

2011-09-01 Thread Alan Cox
A) Make the plugin only tell the downloader what to download and not to download it from. You still need a key - even if the https:// authentication for gnome.org itself to prove the connection is to the correct site. B) Sign extension dowloads with a gnome.org private key. A) is

Re: GNOME 3.1.90 beta released!

2011-09-01 Thread Alan Cox
See https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657496 I hope we get some hardware that's a bit more advanced than this 1990's behaviour in the future. Unlikely. Users like a way to get their system back into sane order. Another reason a software option to power off is useful - it cleans up

Re: Notes on extensions.gnome.org security

2011-08-31 Thread Alan Cox
Of course, Linux users run unsandboxed code with arbitary capabilities every day - applications, for example. So the security question with GNOME Shell extensions is not how we can do the almost impossible job of sandboxing them, but how we can build up layers of social, user interface, and

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey. As stated, for a project which currently targets, among others, users who do not care what parts of their operating system can be labelled GNOME a survey is not a very reliable way of gathering feedback. Have you ever

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of users doesn't result in learning. It results in data that forms some You need truely or reasonably random samples for certain kinds of activities and analysis in particularly quantitative analysis when you want to

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:05:26 +0100 Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:53:46PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: If you went back to 1991 and wanted a production-quality kernel within a year, Linux probably wouldn't be your starting point. There'd be a

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Alan Cox
I do not think you will be able to do very much with the answers to the questions you ask below. It's going to be a lot of work for data that is not useful. Let me try to explain. I thhink there is a better way to do this Felipe should do it without the Gnome oligarchy and then put the

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Alan Cox
The answers are so vague that you are not going to be able to follow up on them. So they are unhappy with GNOME. Then what? Then at the very least you've got some picture of what is going on and you can try and trigger discussion about why people are unhappy (or indeed happy). Of course,

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:20:53 +0300 Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing is ever perfect, but having at least some results is better than nothing. Since you have repeated this

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Alan Cox
What are you actually trying to understand ? If there are tradeoffs (and consensus that the tradeoff is real) then you can ask questions where you rate relative importance of features in various combinations It's often used to weight things like price/screensize, screensize/battery life, battery

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-01 Thread Alan Cox
It doesn't tell you much about the environment Are you using it on Desktop Laptop Netbook Tablet and perhaps a question about skill levels/years of computing experience. That might help understand which user categories want changes. Eg it's assumed that most of

Re: ctr-del to delete a file

2011-05-19 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 19 May 2011 17:07:57 +0200 Xavier Claessens xclae...@gmail.com wrote: Hello ddl, Looks like it is time to start flames on ddl, so let's start a new one: W-T-F is that ctr-del to move a file to trash in nautilus?? To encourage your fingers to hit the nearby alt key at the same

Re: gnome 3

2011-04-17 Thread Alan Cox
The correct use case for any electronic device is power on when using it, power off when not. I couldn't agree any more. The default behaviour should be shut-down/restart. In the suspend case there are very good reasons for not wanting the user to think they have powered off and get a

Re: SoC idea: desktop file cache

2011-03-25 Thread Alan Cox
mmap MAP_SHARED also makes dealing with external updating really interesting because if the file shrinks you need to handle signal exceptions from touching pages that no longer exist. Not if the cache is replaced with rename(), no? If the sequence is build new cache

Re: IRC channels in gnome development

2011-02-07 Thread Alan Cox
Guys, for a sake of a sanity. I've been around gnome since pre 2.0 times. And all times up to now we supposed that OSS is about democratic process, where programmers are not told buy big enterprise News to me, and flagship projects like the Linux kernel run on the Linus is boss model. The

Re: My thoughts on fallback mode

2011-01-04 Thread Alan Cox
What about the freedom to choose? At the point where you disallow users to You can choose. The FSF freedoms are sufficient for that You can choose to run the old code You can choose to modify the old code You can choose to share modifications to the old code It's completely within your power

Re: Minimum system requirements for GNOME Shell

2011-01-04 Thread Alan Cox
lot. I've also seen lots of people running virtualized GNOME desktops as VMs under Windows in production. It's used Linux on Linux as well. In particular if your desktop is a guest you can take it with you on your laptop then put it on a box with a bit more welly when not travelling. Alan

Re: My thoughts on fallback mode

2011-01-04 Thread Alan Cox
It would be like releasing a new car and then telling the buyer that the tires that are included aren't good enough but that's okay because they are free to go through the trouble of replacing them right after they take ownership. Modularity is not a feature; a good feature is a feature. You

Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-29 Thread Alan Cox
That's not realistic. Distributions won't allow people to choose between GNOME 2 and 3, which means people will be forced to stick to releases That depends on the distribution providing they can be parallel installed, and on what the volunteers involved or staff paid to work on them want to do.

Re: gnome-panel gnome-applets?

2010-12-27 Thread Alan Cox
What do you mean by this? Every time I've tested on nvidia hardware with the proprietary driver, shell performance has been totally usable. It's not lightning fast, but I don't think any hardware change would fix that. Usable is a rather hard to quantify thing. Not lightning fast to some

Re: (L)GPLv3

2010-07-15 Thread Alan Cox
Not true! For example, when you assign to the FSF, the papers you sign contain a number of guarantees. From an old version of the assignment papers (you should contact the FSF if you are considering using this language, as it might have been updated): 4. FSF agrees that all distribution

Re: desktop schemas review [was: Re: GSettings migration status]

2010-07-07 Thread Alan Cox
A possible solution is to store paths under your home directory as relative paths, and when reading, assume any relative paths are relative to your home directory. Doing this with each individual application would be tiresome and error-prone, but it would be easy with a convenience API like

Re: (L)GPLv3

2010-07-06 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:01:54 +0200 Steve Frécinaux nudr...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/06/2010 03:00 PM, Ryan Lortie wrote: hi Vincent, On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 09:26 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: Do you feel okay with the idea of allowing proprietary apps to use our platform but not GPLv2 apps?

Re: Module Proposal: GNOME Shell

2010-04-17 Thread Alan Cox
if you want the Mesa software rasterizer to be faster you can start contributing to Mesa. I'm sure the maintainers will gladly accept patches. By the time you've hit the GL layer you've probably thrown away crucial information needed for many shortcuts. Doom is also much less generic (as to a

Re: Finding and Reminding, tech issues, 3.0 and beyond

2010-04-09 Thread Alan Cox
The other approach is when expiring or archiving to move files from ~/Desktop to an archival location like ~/Documents. How does moving it work with non aware applications or a shared file space ? You risk opening a file having it moved, saving it and ending up with a copy in documents and

Re: Module Proposal: GNOME Shell

2010-04-03 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 08:13:14 +0100 Ross Burton r...@burtonini.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 23:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: maintained for people without the correct hardware support. As of now, all intel, amd/ati and nvidia cards sold in the last five years should I don't believe

Re: Module Proposal: GNOME Shell

2010-04-02 Thread Alan Cox
maintained for people without the correct hardware support. As of now, all intel, amd/ati and nvidia cards sold in the last five years should I don't believe that is correct for any of the listed vendors even on Linux. On BSD the situation is even more patchy. Is Gnome dropping support for

Re: Module proposal: dconf

2009-10-14 Thread Alan Cox
everyone asking for a plain text format (or even an XML format) for *storage* should be forced to get only that on their machines, but should also be barred from complaining why their boot process takes a minute instead of 10 seconds. and no: having plain text storage and adding a binary

Re: Module proposal: dconf

2009-10-14 Thread Alan Cox
- FS are usually implemented very carefully. They tend to be part of kernel. On the other hand desktop applications are designed much more 'speedy'. Sometimes application hangs (much more frequent then kernel locks IMHO), sometimes it crashes. Desktop application software mostly sucks. I

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
at low I/O priority, without unpleasantly degrading system performance. I imagine the sheer seek cost of pulling all those dentries, inodes into memory, and evicting all the other useful data you had around - is a big part of the plague. Hopefully btrfs will improve the situation somewhat

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:31:04 +0200 The tracker-store is a desktop service that offers the application developer a query capability against data that it stores. The data that it stores must be strictly defined by a schema (which is what in RDF is called an ontology). The schemas that we ship by

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
Tracker will store this if the applications request storage of it. The issue of protecting the user's personal data is left to the applications using it and the underlying operating system's security features. To a business deploying systems with this feature there are multiple issues - Need

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
One short coming in this approach will be, It will cause a problem where multiple applications can be associated with a file-type, over a period of time. For instance, for .mbox files, the applications could vary like: Evolution, Mutt, Pine, Claws, Thunderbird, etc. And it is common among

Re: Mutter with proprietary OpenGL/ES library ??

2009-07-15 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:41:21 +0200 Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Matteo Settenvinimat...@member.fsf.org wrote: IANAL too, but I'm not sure it fits. It's questionable if it is a system component you can't live without, like glibc. However, that's

Re: Mutter with proprietary OpenGL/ES library ??

2009-07-10 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:46:47 +0100 Joone Hur jo...@kldp.org wrote: If we use GNOME Shell on embedded devices, we need a GPL licensed OpenGL/ES library (HW accelerated). The problem is that we didn't find this kind of library. Chipset vendors don't provide a GPL licensed OpenGL/ES library. So

Re: Help with strings for solution for desktop file virus problem

2009-02-21 Thread Alan Cox
Its true that all of these *could* and *should* mark the file as executable, however since we never demanded that before this would be a regression for many users. Both for old created desktop files and for new ones created by non-updated apps. Why is this a problem ? - You can chmod the

Re: Prompting for passwords on the desktop?

2008-09-19 Thread Alan Cox
This is kind of silly; I have to type a complex keyboard combination in order to input a password? That is annoying. Additionally, switching It makes a lot of sense in some environments and not a lot of sense in many others. VTs in Linux is usually slow; more annoyance. Expect some

Re: indentation of c code

2008-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
http://developer.gnome.org/doc/guides/programming-guidelines/code-style.html So, basically GNOME was supports to be using the linux kernel coding style to begin with, but that has probably been watered out by now. For the kernel coding style its indent -npro -kr -i8 -ts8 -sob -l80 -ss -ncs

Re: Composition [was Re: gnome-session proposal]

2008-06-27 Thread Alan Cox
Get a better kernel then ;-). On a more serious note, didn't the recent Firefox 3 O_SYNC fiasco on Linux make some file system developers realize some short comings of current state of the kernel? If so, Synchronous I/O is *very* slow but you need to discuss that mostly with hardware vendors

Re: gnome-session proposal

2008-06-26 Thread Alan Cox
I don't mean to be impertinent, but isn't any screen bigger than 2048x2048 a major edge case? It's like desktop apps that only work on screens bigger than 640x480... who cares at this stage? By the time that's anything bug an edge case, won't the hardware have caught up? It's far from an edge

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-16 Thread Alan Cox
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:32:05 +0100 gtk_label_new (_(this is a string with in it)); Well firstly it is no longer C. You should be using \2xx\0xx or \xblah encoding but that is a trivial side item to fix. Assuming you fix that it obviously compiles and probably comes out ok in a .po file. In

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-16 Thread Alan Cox
BTW: I realised last night there is another way to tackle this which lets you turn the problem on its head Given smart quotes directly in code are not valid C and that you need to distinguish different quotes so can't do a perl 1 liner turn the problem the other way up Source - with smart quotes

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-16 Thread Alan Cox
(you could extract the translations from the converted file to save having to mend all the translations but that might actually be long term worse) This would result in a thousand .c.in files or a large header .h.in file with all the strings ;) Not really. You just generate a temporary

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-16 Thread Alan Cox
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:48:31 +0100 Iain * [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In LANG=C you call gtk_label_new with UTF-8 strings. What happens at that point depends if gtk_label_new ever calls a single C library function

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-16 Thread Alan Cox
All of that means that there are no run-time problems. The only actual concern is whether compilers will choke on UTF-8 source files. Alan says that, according to the standard, a compiler would be perfectly right to choke. I believe him. I also don't care. I don't think that one is a show

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-16 Thread Alan Cox
Well, as I said, in this case: gtk_label_new(_(some_string)); The output of gettext can (and often will) be UTF-8, so gtk_label_new is going to receive UTF-8 whether some_string is ASCII or not. If it's not UTF-8-safe, we're pretty much screwed already. No no no The output of _(blah)

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-16 Thread Alan Cox
They work perfectly when you pass them UTF-8 data no matter what your locale. Just to back this up: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/gtk-question-index.html#id2776084 Cool - so for anything which doesn't touch the C library directly you can write _(\xABCD) type stuff for smart

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:01:22 -0400 Dan Winship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Cox wrote: GTK/Glib are not the biggest problem here. You also use C library functions in Gnome applications. Glib/Gtk+ works with the C library in C locale simply because ASCII is a subset of UTF-8. That ceases

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:44:09 +0100 Alexander Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how do we go about coming up with an official position for this? If I start cooking patches here and there I don't want to have to make the same argument with every maintainer... :) It seems the standards documents

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:43:05 +0100 Alexander Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan, you seem to be missing the point. No I'm afraid you are the one who is missing the point here: The only places where I am suggesting replacing with are in existing gettext calls, which *are* UTF-8 whether

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
Are there actually legitimate reasons for anyone to ever use a non-UTF-8 locale these days? Other than legacy, and wanting to find bugs in programs? Probably not... Maybe somebody should break the compatibility view and make the C locale UTF-8. Well you can certainly submit a proposal to

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
Sarcasm aside, if people are using Shift-JIS/KOI8R/RU in translations, those strings WILL get fed into UTF-8 string functions and stuff will break. We use UTF-8 here, in GNOME-land, right? If the gnome libraries have built in UTF-8 assumptions yes. But the rest of the system will work just

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-14 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:42:24 +0100 Iain * [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats because you have your fingers in your ears and don't want to listen. Consider a career in politics instead. Well, no, you have brought up

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-13 Thread Alan Cox
Some people are worried about string functions breaking. I really don't see how this is the case, seeing as we're doing g_some_function (_(Some ASCII string)) which is replaced with a UTF-8 string at runtime anyway. Does anyone have any actual proof of UTF-8 in our translatable strings

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-13 Thread Alan Cox
Since you don't know whether the result of _(foo) will be strict ASCII, you must always treat it as if it were not. GLib/GTK+ *requires* UTF-8 strings for all (most?) of its string handling functions... GTK/Glib are not the biggest problem here. You also use C library functions in Gnome

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-06-13 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:41:15 +0100 Iain * [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about printing to files ? An nm also rather suggests that gnome apps do use printf and fprintf somewhat and many of the other functions mentioned

Re: off topic; HELP! I cannot create a terminal window in gnome.

2008-05-26 Thread Alan Cox
On Sun, 25 May 2008 22:45:36 -0400 Hubert Figuiere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 20:26 -0600, Ralph Boland wrote: Sorry for not being a development issue unless you consider modifying gnome so those stupid enough to do what I have done can't do it anymore. since

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-05-19 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 14 May 2008 04:17:09 -0400 Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As James says on Simos's blog post, all strings inside GTK apps are defined to be UTF-8 regardless of locale. GLib and GTK will convert on the fly to locale encoding if they print to a terminal. gtk may do, but what

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-05-13 Thread Alan Cox
They also tend to fail horribly when pasting into a non-Unicode terminal, which is still often the case over SSH. Probably not a huge desktop consideration, though. Every distribution I know of uses Unicode by default on the local terminal at this point. Doesn't matter for translations but

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-05-13 Thread Alan Cox
Don't we already have plenty of non-ASCII POT files? I know gnome-doc-utils is non-ASCII. That would be a bug... that we've had all this functionality for quite a while, but we're still typing as if we're on old typewriters. What do we need to do, as programmers, to get the world out of

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-05-13 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 13 May 2008 12:22:51 -0400 Pat Suwalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Cox wrote: Put the English quotes in the en_US and en_GB translations, put German quotes in the de ones and so on. This, if course, makes something like the very tiny en_CA locale into a rather full locale. I

Re: Quotation marks: Using “” instead of

2008-05-13 Thread Alan Cox
Honestly, other than being pedantic, I don't see the problem with UTF-8 in the C locale. Does it cause any *actual* problems? I've never once gotten a bug report against g-d-u about this. Sort order, comparisons, printing, string lengths when using locale aware functions, and no doubt a few

Re: Module proposal: Empathy for GNOME 2.24

2008-03-27 Thread Alan Cox
Companies don't like GPL as they have to expose their IP and are afraid to loose money. If the library is LGPL they can still use the I would disagree there. Most companies I deal with like the GPL because it means that anything they do provide cannot be ripped off by the competition - which is

Re: Extreme memory usage for gnome-panel related apps

2007-12-02 Thread Alan Cox
But fundamentally right now the desktop is still one security domain, and I don't see that changing in the near future. The desktop is quite a few security domains. Mail clients handle certificates and dangerous remote content, other tools render untrusted content like PDF, while the desktop

Re: Extreme memory usage for gnome-panel related apps

2007-12-02 Thread Alan Cox
(FWIW, personally, I'd like to see all of our service daemons (g-p-m, g-v-m, pk-update-client, etc.) all sharing the same process space. Things like that.) With a kernel hat on do you have a specific reasons for that ? Is there stuff you gain or is this primarily about memory usage of non

Re: Pulseaudio

2007-10-11 Thread Alan Cox
correctly*. As it is now, maybe it isn't PA's fault, maybe it's the linux kernel's fault for not having a good enough process scheduler, but the sad truth is that PA's sound skips (I mean I hear audio clicks when switching workspaces). I believe when people say it doesn't skip for their

Re: New clock applet for 2.22

2007-09-25 Thread Alan Cox
New d-d-l rule: no one gets to say 'it is useful' without explaining their use case :) Luis (I believe you that you use it, but I can't for the life of me figure out why) I use week number because everyone I deal with in Finland has phone calls meetings week 37 and the like for some

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-29 Thread Alan Cox
Are you asking for an unencrypted area that only one application has read access to? If so, you might be able to do something like that with SELinux (or AppArmor?), but I don't think it would be a very robust solution. The Linux kernel key service can do this for session/user/user+session

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-29 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:39:04 -0400 Ray Strode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 8/29/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you asking for an unencrypted area that only one application has read access to? If so, you might be able to do something like that with SELinux (or AppArmor

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Alan Cox
- have some mechanism for smart deductions, like I can guess you have an XMPP account that matches your google.com username/password - maybe this just has to be in the apps, not sure This needs some care. There are evils that lurk on the web side of this. One big one is that if a central

Re: cleaning up keyrings

2007-08-28 Thread Alan Cox
Exactly, yep. I can write some simple spec up, but first I want to understand all the current thinking (so far it sounds like there's a pretty blank slate for spec'ing this out) You might want to have a chat with Dave Howells at Red Hat as well. Dave did the Linux kernel side key management

Re: Gnome Online [Re: Online Desktop integration ideas]

2007-07-24 Thread Alan Cox
Although some jokey acronyms may seem amusing at first the novelty value tends to wear off. I would ask that people reconsider, the words Gnome Online are not too hard to type, and quite a succint phrase that if searched for one might stand a decent chance of being able to find something

Re: Updating our list of GNOME contributors

2007-03-08 Thread Alan Cox
I think it would be a shame to drop the credits for our past contributors. We're standing on the shoulder of giants. The giants are not the ones it matters to, they have their names tattooed over everything. You are standing on the shoulders of a small army of minor contributors, who probably

Re: gnome-utils branched for GNOME 2.16

2006-09-04 Thread Alan Cox
Ar Llu, 2006-09-04 am 21:01 +1000, ysgrifennodd Jeff Waugh: Have you seen the Windows Vista screenshot tool? The basic UI is pants, but it offers some cool features that we could swipe: * Full screen * Window selection (click to choose) * Rectangular selection * Lassoo selection

Re: Fixing bug #330868 in a smart way

2006-06-19 Thread Alan Cox
Ar Llu, 2006-06-19 am 18:39 +0800, ysgrifennodd James Henstridge: If you intend to present localised license text, please provide a way to turn it off (and probably turn it off by default ...). Translations can introduce ambiguities or change the meaning of a text, which is not acceptable in

Re: Gnome is a problem for OEMs

2006-04-11 Thread Alan Cox
On Maw, 2006-04-11 at 17:08 +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote: I've spent all afternoon trying to figure out how I, as an OEM, can configure Gnome before giving it to a user. I just want to change some icons on the panel and maybe a menu entry. Its an absolute undocumented mess and has been for

Re: release notes: first draft

2006-03-07 Thread Alan Cox
On Maw, 2006-03-07 at 14:50 +, Edward Hervey wrote: Gstreamer 0.10 will also give users the possibility to use, where patents apply, multimedia plugins distributed by 3rd party vendors to offer support for licensed codecs for which no legal plugins are available. Does that make more

Re: release notes: first draft

2006-03-07 Thread Alan Cox
On Maw, 2006-03-07 at 16:37 +, Alan Cox wrote: plugins are not available. The GNOME 2.14 distribution does not itself contain these non-free components. Actually better yet contain or endorse Alan ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop

Re: Design by Community

2006-02-08 Thread Alan Cox
It isn't about Design by community but Design IN the community. The former assumes everyone has something useful to say, the latter merely recognizes the value of code review, security checking, third party input that -may- be valuable, and possibly getting help. If you design stuff in secret

Re: Design by Community

2006-02-08 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2006-02-08 at 12:07 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote: This course of action will create a time when GNOME goes the way of propriortary UNIX: Tru64, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, IRIX... imagine a world with Novell Desktop, Topaz, Java Desktop, the Hatrack Environment: all competing products...

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-20 Thread Alan Cox
On Gwe, 2006-01-20 at 09:05 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: currently has no mechanism for making a distinction between background users and the user that currently 'controls' the machine. I don't think hal's the right layer to make that distinction. I'm working on implementing it at the

Re: New modules in 2.14

2006-01-19 Thread Alan Cox
On Iau, 2006-01-19 at 17:09 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote: Strong disagreement, see http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=63 for some ramblings why this is exactly what one wants to do. Yes, you need to answer how the system daemon is configured when no user is logged in (don't tell me some UNIX-y scheme with

Re: Special folders in gnome

2006-01-13 Thread Alan Cox
On Sad, 2006-01-14 at 04:43 +0800, Abel Cheung wrote: About translating on-disk folder name, is there an assumption that users either know exactly 1 native language, or bilingual with english as 2nd language? How about those who are bilingual in 2 non-english languages or those using 3rd

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