Hi,
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 05:15:37PM +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
Provocative question: is there any way that some unbiased survey would
change the emphasis of development from gnome-shell to the fallback mode?
And
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 08:01:53AM +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
Ok, thanks for the reasonable answer. Don't you think it would make
sense for the GNOME to conduct such review officially? And perhaps
explicitly exclude GNOME developers from participation, to make it
unbiased;)
This was
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 01:09:18AM +0200, Mark wrote:
Some facts.
1. Gnome wants feedback but any feedback gathered online is non
representative. It has to be gathered from a non biased site like
cnn.com-_- guess the
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 09:58:15AM +0200, Mark wrote:
False
false
False
false
False
false
False
and false
You are false in all false points. The points are all from messages in this
thread so i recommend you to read back on the list since you obviously
missed something.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
There's been a lot of work done to improve GNOME 3 over the last 6
months. A lot of the complaints of GNOME 3.0 have been already
addressed. Why not just do it after (even more!) distros ship GNOME
3.2?
The first
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 04:54:12PM +0200, Mark wrote:
FYI: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTAwMjY
Useless.
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On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:27 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 04:54:12PM +0200, Mark wrote:
FYI: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTAwMjY
Useless.
Web surveys are guaranteed to self-select, and I have to imagine a
survey hosted on phoronix self-selects a
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:35:24AM -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:27 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 04:54:12PM +0200, Mark wrote:
FYI: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTAwMjY
Useless.
Web surveys are guaranteed to
On 18 October 2011 16:52, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
Such actions just confirms that the effort was not an honest intention
to gather feedback. Just to confirm own thoughts.
I don't think many of us on this list thought the intention of the
survey was to highlight areas needing
It's useless to me because there's nothing actionable there. The
survey results don't give us anything to do except die in a fire.
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Would anybody have time to prepare some useful survey?
Provocative question: is there any way that some unbiased survey would
change the emphasis of development from gnome-shell to the fallback mode?
And increase the configurability and so on.. Or - the current strategy is
unchangeable
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:15 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
Provocative question: is there any way that some unbiased survey would
change the emphasis of development from gnome-shell to the fallback
mode? And increase the configurability and so on.. Or - the current
strategy is unchangeable
Iirc the fallback mode is using new gtk and stuff... why is it obsolete?
I was asking looking at the anger and nostalgie expressed on phoronix.
On Oct 18, 2011 5:29 p.m., Cosimo Cecchi cosi...@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:15 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
Provocative question: is
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Sergey Udaltsov
sergey.udalt...@gmail.com wrote:
Iirc the fallback mode is using new gtk and stuff... why is it obsolete?
AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last graphics
chip in use was able to run shell. It's not there as a preference,
it's a
On Tue, 2011-10-18 at 17:34 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
Iirc the fallback mode is using new gtk and stuff... why is it
obsolete?
Is this another provocative question?
It's a fallback that *by definition* uses older technologies to have
something usable on hardware that do not support
AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last graphics
chip in use was able to run shell. It's not there as a preference,
it's a fallback mode for unsupported hardware.
Absolutely! My question was exactly about that - is there theoretical
possibility that proper survey would amend
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 05:15:37PM +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
Provocative question: is there any way that some unbiased survey would
change the emphasis of development from gnome-shell to the fallback mode?
And increase the configurability and so on.. Or - the current strategy is
Phoronix is a tabloid seeking sensation.
Agree. But I guess it is not a surprise that some users are crying for good
old gnome2. If gnome could properly estimate the share of those deprived...
would it change anything?
What's stopping these deprived users from using Gnome 2.X? I don't
for too long. Usage seems to be minimal. But not a lot of distributions
have GNOME 3 yet, so it is also a bit early to tell.
Exactly. Let's wait till all distros outphase gnome 2.x
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What's stopping these deprived users from using Gnome 2.X? I don't think
there's enough developers interested in keeping the 2.X series alive - it
would be a different matter if people were smashing out the features/patches
for the 2.X range but as that's not happening I don't see why they
2011/10/18 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl
At the moment, it seems almost noone is using fallback mode. As such, I
don't think the current efforts made into fallback more will continue
for too long. Usage seems to be minimal. But not a lot of distributions
have GNOME 3 yet, so it is also a bit
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 08:20:18PM +0200, Rovanion Luckey wrote:
2011/10/18 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl
At the moment, it seems almost noone is using fallback mode. As such, I
don't think the current efforts made into fallback more will continue
for too long. Usage seems to be minimal.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Patryk Zawadzki pat...@pld-linux.orgwrote:
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Sergey Udaltsov
sergey.udalt...@gmail.com wrote:
Iirc the fallback mode is using new gtk and stuff... why is it obsolete?
AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last
AFAIK the goal was to only maintain it until the very last graphics
chip in use was able to run shell. It's not there as a preference,
it's a fallback mode for unsupported hardware.
Plenty of people see it as a preference, but right now on the hardware
side there are plenty of chipsets without
I really want to drop in here.
I on purposely say gnome instead of you to avoid giving the impression
that i attack anyone.
Mark, I am afraid that still looks like an attack... While in general I
agree with you, I guess the format of your message is not appropriate. It
does not make sense to
Phoronix and any linux news orientated site would be _perfect_ for a
Gnome survey! If gnome thinks otherwise then keep on living in that
little perfect utopia world of gnome. Reality is way different. Gnome
really seems to be living in some ideal small everyone loves gnome
world where they
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 01:09 +0200, Mark wrote:
I really want to drop in here.
I on purposely say gnome instead of you to avoid giving the
impression that i attack anyone.
Honestly, given your hostile tone, it instead comes off as if
you're attacking everybody. I'm going to try to assume you're
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 00:26 +0100, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
What I initially asked - and still did not get the answer - what could
be the format of the feedback that could change the policies. Perhaps
reverting some of them. What kind of critical feedback would not be
treated as useless?
I
On 18/10/2011 18:15, Sergey Udaltsov wrote:
What's stopping these deprived users from using Gnome 2.X? I don't think
there's enough developers interested in keeping the 2.X series alive - it
would be a different matter if people were smashing out the features/patches
for the 2.X range but as
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 15:38, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately, it seems this is
not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
questions in the free version. I
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 23:38 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Here's the next version of the survey. Unfortunately, it seems this is
not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
questions in the free
?
As usual, it's hosted here:
https://gist.github.com/gists/1128166
Cheers.
GNOME user survey 2011
=== 01. Do you know what GNOME is? ===
[single choice]
* Yes [skip to 03]
* No
=== 02. Which of the following best resemble your desktop? ===
(click to see the image)
[single choice]
- Windows
else I need to do to help you put it on Phoronix?
As usual, it's hosted here:
https://gist.github.com/gists/1128166
Cheers.
GNOME user survey 2011
=== 03. Overall, how satisfied are you with GNOME? ===
[single choice]
* not at all
* barely
* halfway
* mostly
* completely
I
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ionut Biru io...@archlinux.ro wrote:
I didn't participate to this discussion before but i think the survey is
pointless now because GNOME 3 wasn't presented to users at all.
From the top 10 mainstream distributions, conform distrowatch, only 2 of
them have
On 19 September 2011 17:08, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ionut Biru io...@archlinux.ro wrote:
I didn't participate to this discussion before but i think the survey is
pointless now because GNOME 3 wasn't presented to users at all.
From
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ionut Biru io...@archlinux.ro wrote:
[snip]
In my opinion this survey should be published after gnome 3.2 is presented
to a larger audience, now that ubuntu 11.10 is going to
There's been a lot of work done to improve GNOME 3 over the last 6
months. A lot of the complaints of GNOME 3.0 have been already
addressed. Why not just do it after (even more!) distros ship GNOME
3.2?
The first one is probably going to shed more light on what should be
asked than anything
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 23:38 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Hi,
Here's the next version of the survey. Unfortunately, it seems this is
not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
questions in the free version. I haven't found a better free online
survey, and unless
Hi,
Here's the next version of the survey. Unfortunately, it seems this is
not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
questions in the free version. I haven't found a better free online
survey, and unless somebody offers hosting for this survey, it would
have to be
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 15:38, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately, it seems this is
not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10
questions in the free version. I haven't found a better free online
survey, and unless somebody offers hosting
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Federico Mena Quintero
feder...@ximian.com wrote:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
What do you think?
Keep in mind that Gnome 3 just hasn't been around for very long. Right
now Gnome 3 is most likely only being used by technical
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Maciej Marcin Piechotka
uzytkown...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Likewise,
'happy' will be thought of differently by different people (a very odd
word to include in a questionnaire, if you don't mind me saying):
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Benjamin Otte o...@gnome.org wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contreras at gmail.com writes:
That doesn't change the fact that everyone understands the word happy.
http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html
Yes, I have seen
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 23:21, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
Of course, maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps the average user of Linux/GNOME does
know what GNOME is, knows how to contact the GNOME team
Maybe this is an interesting point to know.
Also from a branding point of view.
Is it important
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 03:34, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.orgwrote:
[snip]
Maybe they all lied?
Don't you think it is a bit early to speculate on results? (...)
Overall I can see already one clear result, even before the poll has
started:
We do not know who is using GNOME.
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 19:53, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
All the questions after this assume a knowledge of GNOME and how our
community works. That's fine if you are polling developers. If you are
polling average users, then I think it's not worth asking.
Another issue that I
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing is ever perfect, but having at least some results is better
than
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you serious? That totally and completely speculative and
unrealistic. Have you ever participated in making a survey? I have, as
I have explained, for the Git survey. In my experience, only the
people that
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Patryk Zawadzki pat...@pld-linux.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you serious? That totally and completely speculative and
unrealistic. Have you ever participated in making a survey? I have, as
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say this so far because it might sound like I am trying to
make a joke but since you still insist on your assertions about the
survey, I feel I must say this: How do you know people in general like
to
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 14:33, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Patryk Zawadzki pat...@pld-linux.org
wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you serious? That totally and completely
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Luc Pionchon pionchon@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 03:34, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zeesha...@gnome.org
wrote:
[snip]
Maybe they all lied?
Don't you think it is a bit early to speculate on results? (...)
Overall I can see already one clear
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 13:14, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
We already have a wealth of data about peoples' experiences with GNOME 3
Allan, this is interesting, what is the main pointer to access this data?
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't say this so far because it might sound like I am trying to
make a joke but since you still insist on your assertions
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM,
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
writes:
That's a reasonable alternative. How about pleased? Any other people
have an opinion?
You present yourself as reasonable by adjusting on the
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com writes:
That's a reasonable alternative. How about pleased? Any other people
have an opinion?
You present yourself as reasonable by adjusting on the small points,
but you ignore the feedback of greater importance.
My
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
writes:
That's a reasonable alternative. How about pleased? Any other
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so?
Do your survey with the questions you want, and come to your own
conclusions. Blog about them if you want.
On 08/19/2011 09:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
writes:
That's a reasonable alternative. How about pleased? Any other people
have an opinion?
You
Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit :
It's easy to throw empty criticism. Provide *suggestions*.
Well, here’s a suggestion: since nobody knows how to address the correct
target population or how to interpret the results, I suggest to spend
our time fixing bugs
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Likewise,
'happy' will be thought of differently by different people (a very odd
word to include in a questionnaire, if you don't mind me saying):
I think everyone understands the word happy.
/ME wipes a mouthful of coffee
Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey.
As stated, for a project which currently targets, among others, users
who do not care what parts of their operating system can be labelled
GNOME a survey is not a very reliable way of gathering feedback.
Have you ever
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Frederic Muller fr...@gnome.org wrote:
On 08/19/2011 09:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
writes:
That's a reasonable
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit :
It's easy to throw empty criticism. Provide *suggestions*.
Well, here’s a suggestion: since nobody knows how to address the correct
target population or
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield sss...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wi...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so?
Do your survey with the
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:37:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Doing nothing achieves nothing, doing something achieves learning. You
may well not learn what you intended but you will learn something
including quite possibly how to do future surveys better.
Any survey that isn't a carefully
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:37:33PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Doing nothing achieves nothing, doing something achieves learning. You
may well not learn what you intended but you will learn something
including quite
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 19:42 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of
GNOME?
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
users doesn't result in learning. It results in data that forms some
You need truely or reasonably random samples for certain kinds of
activities and analysis in particularly quantitative analysis when you
want to
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield sss...@gmail.com wrote:
Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey.
Indeed, do you have a better suggestion?
There are several
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield sss...@gmail.com wrote:
Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jonathon Jongsma
jonat...@quotidian.org wrote:
On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 19:42 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 19 August 2011 18:42, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, I just wanted to make things clear. In fact, if they cared about
user feedback, there would be some numbers available somewhere, and I
wouldn't have to do this.
We're not asking you to do anything. Please just
Really ought to stay out of this thread but there is one point that is
important to address below.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
But again, as I said, if there's no survey on Earth you could trust,
just ignore the results. Results by
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:03:45PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
I can only think of one reason why somebody would provide criticism
without suggestions for improvement...
1. Because they cannot think of a good suggestion.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 18:42, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, I just wanted to make things clear. In fact, if they cared about
user feedback, there would be some numbers available somewhere, and I
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 08:14:25PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
users doesn't result in learning.
Unless the biases are identified, which
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On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 06:15:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
users doesn't result in learning. It results in data that forms some
You need truely or reasonably
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not being aggressive. All I am asking is for clarification; is
there *anything* I could do to make the survey more acceptable to you
guys, or are you opposed to the very idea of having a user survey
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 21:20, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
The people most likely to respond to an irritating popup that disrupts their
work
are people who ...
... do not use GNOME 3.
GNOME 3 is designed to reduce distraction and interruption and to put
you in control. Our
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 14:46, Luc Pionchon pionchon@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 13:14, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote:
We already have a wealth of data about peoples' experiences with GNOME 3
Allan, this is interesting, what is the main pointer to access this data?
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
What do you think?
Keep in mind that Gnome 3 just hasn't been around for very long. Right
now Gnome 3 is most likely only being used by technical people, Linux
enthusiasts, etc. - it has not trickled down to end users yet. We may
have
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 08:14:25PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
On 19 August 2011 20:26, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
...To me GNOME is hitting
everything in the room as it's going forward, and saying; I'm fine, I
know where I'm going...
To me, the sun is shining through the windows of a freshly redecorated room.
If you have specific
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
(Resend: Managed to leave d-d-l off Cc: by accident)
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 06:15:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of
users doesn't result in
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 August 2011 20:26, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
...To me GNOME is hitting
everything in the room as it's going forward, and saying; I'm fine, I
know where I'm going...
To me, the sun is
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:53:46PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
If you went back to 1991 and wanted a production-quality kernel within a
year, Linux probably wouldn't be your starting point. There'd be a
learning process involved with setting up a professional-quality survey
team, and
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not being aggressive. All I am asking is for clarification; is
there *anything* I could do to make the survey more acceptable to you
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:26:08PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Yes, because you have no idea how big the population is. Maybe 10
million is the total population and it's representative. Maybe it's 50%
of the population, disproportionately biased towards those of a given
prior opinion.
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:05:26 +0100
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:53:46PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
If you went back to 1991 and wanted a production-quality kernel within a
year, Linux probably wouldn't be your starting point. There'd be a
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:26:08PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Yes, because you have no idea how big the population is. Maybe 10
million is the total population and it's representative. Maybe it's 50%
of the
Felipe Contreras felipe.contreras at gmail.com writes:
That doesn't change the fact that everyone understands the word happy.
http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:23, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Here's the fourth version of the survey, only tiny minor changes, it
seems it's stabilized as there isn't many more comments.
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com
wrote:
How about an application that pops notifications similar to this one?
Would such a thing be accepted?
You haven't yet
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
zeesha...@gnome.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com
wrote:
How about an application that pops
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