Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 00:48 +0200, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Xavier Claessens wrote:
* Purpose: Empathy [1] consists of a rich set of reusable instant
messaging widgets, and a GNOME client using those widgets. It uses
Telepathy and Nokia's Mission Control, and reuses Gossip's UI. The
Hi Xavier,
(I'm replying your original message because I think most of the
discussion went through some weird and non-productive paths).
IMHO, Empathy is definitely the way to go for a GNOME-wide solution
for real-time communication because instead of proposing a new
application, you're doing a
27 sep 2007 kl. 09.07 skrev Xavier Claessens:
Hi,
Right, libempathy and libemapthy-gtk are GPL because it contains code
from Gossip. libempathy mostly contains trivial code from gossip, the
rest is rewritten by me or some collabora workers who are 100% OK to
relicence, so it shouldn't be a
Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 10:07 +0200, Mikael Hallendal a écrit :
27 sep 2007 kl. 09.07 skrev Xavier Claessens:
Hi,
Right, libempathy and libemapthy-gtk are GPL because it contains code
from Gossip. libempathy mostly contains trivial code from gossip, the
rest is rewritten by me
Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 00:48 +0200, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Next question: consistency with the platform
The GNOME platform uses LGPL as the license of choice to provide ISVs
with a powerful stack that anyone can use - even to build proprietary
software.
Il giorno gio, 27/09/2007 alle 09.07 +0200, Xavier Claessens ha scritto:
libempathy-gtk is more a problem since lots of non-trivial code is
written by Gossip developers
libempathy-gtk contains also some code from epiphany (the spinner). When
the file transfer branch will be merged,
Xavier Bestel wrote:
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
Right, libempathy and libemapthy-gtk are GPL because it contains
code from Gossip. libempathy mostly contains trivial code from
gossip,
the rest is rewritten by me or some collabora workers who
are 100% OK to
Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit :
Xavier Claessens wrote:
Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 10:07 +0200, Mikael Hallendal a écrit :
27 sep 2007 kl. 09.07 skrev Xavier Claessens:
Hi,
Hi,
Right, libempathy and libemapthy-gtk are GPL because it contains
Xavier Claessens wrote:
I removed all code duplication there is in Gossip.
Well, just unifying two passages of code does not make you the sole
copyright holder of the refactored part.
Regards,
Sven
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On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
I wouldn't re-license it
[there is tons of both context and history here, which the rest of this
thread covers. On the topic of licencing, however:]
I must admit that as an advocate of software freedom and as someone who
works for a firm
On 9/27/07, Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
I wouldn't re-license it
[there is tons of both context and history here, which the rest of this
thread covers. On the topic of licencing, however:]
I must admit that as an advocate
27 sep 2007 kl. 15.32 skrev Luis Villa:
Hi,
On 9/27/07, Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
I wouldn't re-license it
[there is tons of both context and history here, which the rest of
this
thread covers. On the topic of
On 9/27/07, Mikael Hallendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
27 sep 2007 kl. 15.32 skrev Luis Villa:
Hi,
On 9/27/07, Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
I wouldn't re-license it
[there is tons of both context and history here, which
Il giorno gio, 27/09/2007 alle 15.48 +0200, Mikael Hallendal ha scritto:
I'm a bit unsure about how useful libempathy-gtk would be for third
party applications? Do we have any use cases for this as a library.
From the way I suggested at the time of the fork was to make Empathy
run on
Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 15:48 +0200, Mikael Hallendal a écrit :
27 sep 2007 kl. 15.32 skrev Luis Villa:
Hi,
On 9/27/07, Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:03 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:
I wouldn't re-license it
[there is tons of both context and
On 9/27/07, Mikael Hallendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
27 sep 2007 kl. 16.00 skrev Luis Villa:
Hi,
It is of course their call. And likewise it is the GNOME community's
call not to accept libraries licensed as such.
We have a very longstanding and very deliberate policy to license
our
Some more details:
* About API stability:
I can't promose stability yet, there is things I know I will change in the
future. I think API stability is not requiered for GNOME desktop.
* About API documentation:
It's not written yet and I designed the API alone so I think I'm the only
one capable
2007/9/26, Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Some more details:
* About API stability:
I can't promose stability yet, there is things I know I will change in the
future. I think API stability is not requiered for GNOME desktop.
* About API documentation:
Forgot to say: Of course I'll
Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 00:48 +0200, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Next question: consistency with the platform
The GNOME platform uses LGPL as the license of choice to provide ISVs
with a powerful stack that anyone can use - even to build proprietary
software.
You say, you took code from
On 9/27/07, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Le jeudi 27 septembre 2007 à 00:48 +0200, Sven Herzberg a écrit :
Next question: consistency with the platform
The GNOME platform uses LGPL as the license of choice to provide ISVs
with a powerful stack that anyone can use - even to
quote who=Josselin Mouette
How do you plan to mess with this? Introduce a GPL-only library into the
platform? Get the code relicensed?
The target for Empathy is the desktop, not the platform. I don't think
this is a problem for the desktop, as it already happened - the
gtksourceview
quote who=Xavier Claessens
* Proposal: Include Empathy in GNOME 2.22 desktop.
* Purpose: Empathy [1] consists of a rich set of reusable instant
messaging widgets, and a GNOME client using those widgets. It uses
Telepathy and Nokia's Mission Control, and reuses Gossip's UI. The main
goal is
Ross Burton wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
Empathy is a UI around an IM platform which totally replaces the
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/24/07, Peter Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So? Distros are free to package and ship GNOME components however they
see fit so long as they comply with any applicable copyright/trademark
licensing. Unfortunately, as a good analogy,
Ar 24/09/2007 am 00:48, ysgrifennodd Jason D. Clinton:
On 9/24/07, Peter Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So? Distros are free to package and ship GNOME components however they
see fit so long as they comply with any applicable copyright/trademark
licensing. Unfortunately, as a good
Ar 23/09/2007 am 19:54, ysgrifennodd Travis Reitter:
My main concerns right now are libempathy(-gtk)'s API stability and
documentation. The API in svn trunk has changed since the last release
(0.12), and (as Björn points out) the documentation is basically
non-existent.
Xavier, could you
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 09:03 +0100, Dafydd Harries wrote:
A question about external dependencies: which Telepathy components would be
blessed external dependencies?
I'm tempted to say none, just make the packages required at build time
external dependencies. Everyone would build gabble and so
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 21:54 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
On 9/23/07, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Xavier
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote:
Currently GNOME has no IM program at all, Ekiga does only voice and
Ar 24/09/2007 am 00:12, ysgrifennodd Alex Jones:
We have legacy transports that provide a basic level of support, but it
will always be a balancing act, much like the reverse-engineering work
in Telepathy/Farsight. Pissing away free development hours chasing a
moving target wild geese just so
Dodji Seketeli wrote:
As I understand it, libempathy is a set of reusable widgets and
leverages on the telepathy framework.
That implies that nothing should prevent Ekiga from using
libempathy/telepathy at some point in the future when it is stable and
and has the necessary features.
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The critical difference in that analogy is that the thousands and
thousands of man-hours spent on Gecko are reused in the
Gnome-ification called Epiphany. As Empathy is proposed, all the work
in protocol implementation that has come before
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/23/07, Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I strongly disagree, Empathy do NOT reimplement the wheel! Empathy is
not just an IM client like all others, it's an IM framework and is the
only project that makes possible for
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 10:54 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The critical difference in that analogy is that the thousands and
thousands of man-hours spent on Gecko are reused in the
Gnome-ification called Epiphany. As Empathy is
24 sep 2007 kl. 10.54 skrev Ali Sabil:
Hi,
So I planned to reply to this thread later today but this kind of mud
slinging forced me to do so earlier (will try to reply on the subject
at hand later though).
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The critical difference in
On 9/24/07, Claudio Saavedra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 00:10 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
* It appears to be a fork of Gossip and intended to replace Gossip.
The Gossip author has stated that Gossip is not dead. Gossip has
telepathy support...
* It appears to want
I guess you do not know what ICE is ? Do you ?
Last time I checked ICE it was about finding a a quite good routing
path (not always the best) between two endpoints for UDP packets.
Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
like to see your argumentation here.
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 11:34 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
like to see your argumentation here.
Correct me if I am wrong, but STUN is generally about finding your
external IP address, and determining the type of NAT
Jason D. Clinton wrote:
I've been diving deeper in to the code involved here and the more I see the
more I dislike. Xavier, it seems that you implemented gossip-telepathy and
then forked Gossip to create Empathy? Can you provide some history for us
please? What is going on here?
Various
On 9/24/07, Damien Sandras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 11:34 +0200, Ali Sabil a écrit :
Then can you explain us how ICE can help when STUN does not ? I would
like to see your argumentation here.
Correct me if I am wrong, but STUN is generally about finding
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 22:17 +0100, Ross Burton wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
Empathy is a UI around an IM platform which
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:46 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
what about IRC? Would we need to have xchat around if using empathy? As
you say, having all those apps not share anything but the network cable
is a pain for users, so I'm all for having a single backend to manage
messaging, included IRC.
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 16:46 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 22:17 +0100, Ross Burton wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the
Hi,
That's my first mail to this flamewar, i vote for inclusion of empathy.
That really shouldn't be a blocker.
Empathy does not aim to replace xchat-gnome (yet). This discussion is
only about empathy inclusion at all. Yet it is possible to connect to
IRC using telepathy, but empathy is far
Hi,
* Proposal: Include Empathy in GNOME 2.22 desktop.
* Purpose: Empathy [1] consists of a rich set of reusable instant
messaging widgets, and a GNOME client using those widgets. It uses
Telepathy and Nokia's Mission Control, and reuses Gossip's UI. The main
goal is to permit desktop
+1 from me
IMO having chat / voip and video integrated in the desktop will be
killer feature for the GNOME desktop
Jaap
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Hi Xavier,
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007, à 10:59 +0200, Xavier Claessens a écrit :
* Dependencies:
glib-2.0 = 2.14.0
gconf-2.0 = 1.2.0
libxml-2.0
gnome-vfs-2.0
libtelepathy = 0.0.57
libmissioncontrol = 4.33
gtk+-2.0 = 2.12.0
libglade-2.0 = 2.0.0
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 12:16 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi Xavier,
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007, à 10:59 +0200, Xavier Claessens a écrit :
* Dependencies:
glib-2.0 = 2.14.0
gconf-2.0 = 1.2.0
libxml-2.0
gnome-vfs-2.0
libtelepathy = 0.0.57
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007, à 10:59 +0200, Xavier Claessens a écrit :
- At some point we'll have same features than Ekiga which is already in
GNOME desktop. The big advantage of Empathy is it uses Telepathy
framework which make easy for desktop integration and means we'll have
VoIP for all
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 13:24 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007, à 10:59 +0200, Xavier Claessens a écrit :
- At some point we'll have same features than Ekiga which is already in
GNOME desktop. The big advantage of Empathy is it uses Telepathy
framework
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:41:10 +0200,
Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 13:24 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007, à 10:59 +0200, Xavier Claessens a
écrit :
- At some point we'll have same features than Ekiga which is
-1
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far, done
better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
If the last two Gnome releases are any indication, we are strapped for
resources - taking on new modules that add absolutely nothing features-wise
but DO add
+1
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-1
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far, done
better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
AFAIK Pidgin is not part of the GNOME desktop.
If the last two Gnome releases are any indication, we are
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
Empathy is a UI around an IM platform which totally replaces the
single-application model of pidgin, ekiga,
Op zondag 23-09-2007 om 16:00 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Jason D.
Clinton:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
Are you serious? Although I have my own gripes with Empathy[1], at least
it tries to
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
-1
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
If the last two Gnome releases are any indication, we are strapped for
resources -
On 9/23/07, Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
Empathy is a UI around an IM platform which totally
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 04:56:34PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
It's Pidgin and it's non-inclusion in Gnome is irrelevant. Every single
distro ships it as the pre-installed IM client for a desktop install. For
better or worse, it's the application filling the IM space at the moment and
I
Hi Xavier
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote:
Currently GNOME has no IM program at all, Ekiga does only voice and
video AFAIK.
Surely you haven't forgotten Gossip already. :P
FWIW, I'm extremely keen on keeping Gossip going. I personally feel that
Telepathy is
On 9/23/07, Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
-1
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
If the last two Gnome
On 9/23/07, Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Op zondag 23-09-2007 om 16:00 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Jason D.
Clinton:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga (and, so far,
done better). This is a reimplementation of the wheel.
Are you serious? Although
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 11:04:43PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote:
FWIW, I'm extremely keen on keeping Gossip going. I personally feel that
Telepathy is potentially dangerous to our cause. I mean, great, you can
voice-video chat with your MSN friends, but you still need an MSN
account. One step
On 9/23/07, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 04:56:34PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
It's Pidgin and it's non-inclusion in Gnome is irrelevant. Every
single
distro ships it as the pre-installed IM client for a desktop install.
For
better or worse, it's the
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 16:56 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
On 9/23/07, Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:00 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
Needless duplication of work covered by Pidgin and Ekiga
(and, so far,
done
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 05:15:36PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On 9/23/07, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ehr, you seem to be arguing that people shouldn't start their own
projects, but rather join an existing one. IMO you cannot dictate what
people do with their time. People will
On 9/23/07, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
today. Are we going to help Empathy with it's effort to some day offer a
point-for-point feature match? That's what we are discussing.
I don't believe this is what is meant with joining the GNOME project. It
is not that we do a 'oh, lets
Le dimanche 23 septembre 2007 à 17:31 -0500, Jason D. Clinton a écrit :
On 9/23/07, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
today. Are we going to help Empathy with it's effort to some
day offer a
point-for-point feature match? That's what we are
discussing.
On 9/23/07, Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm pretty sure there is lots more developers working on the Telepathy
stack than on pidgin, maybe it's the other way the fragmentation
happens, pidgin developers should stop working on a dead project and
contribute to Empathy/Telepathy?
Hi,
Op maandag 24-09-2007 om 00:19 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Xavier
Claessens:
I disagree, it's important for GNOME to provide modern desktop features,
so we definitely need an official IM program that follows GNOME HIGs,
release schedule, etc.
Not to mention translations!
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 05:31:32PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On 9/23/07, Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
today. Are we going to help Empathy with it's effort to some day offer a
point-for-point feature match? That's what we are discussing.
I don't believe this is what is
Hi Olav
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 00:15 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 11:04:43PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote:
FWIW, I'm extremely keen on keeping Gossip going. I personally feel that
Telepathy is potentially dangerous to our cause. I mean, great, you can
voice-video chat with
On 9/23/07, Xavier Claessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Purpose: Empathy [1] consists of a rich set of reusable instant
messaging widgets, and a GNOME client using those widgets. It uses
Telepathy and Nokia's Mission Control, and reuses Gossip's UI. The main
goal is to permit desktop
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 12:12:12AM +0100, Alex Jones wrote:
If a program doesn't allow me to chat with my friends (which is what
I primarily want in an IM app), then how do you expect me ever to
discover the benefits of a free service?
We have legacy transports that provide a basic level
Le lundi 24 septembre 2007 à 00:12 +0100, Alex Jones a écrit :
Hi Olav
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 00:15 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 11:04:43PM +0100, Alex Jones wrote:
FWIW, I'm extremely keen on keeping Gossip going. I personally feel that
Telepathy is potentially
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 17:31 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
I agree with your statement about developer allocation. But that's not
what I mean. Inclusion in the official Gnome suite adds a certain
level of additional credibility to a project. And while this is always
good for the project in
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 17:07 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
See my other reply regarding Pidgin's de facto status as the Gnome
desktop IM client.
Being a part of GNOME is not just writing an app that happens to use GTK
(and don't even talk about the evolution - great way to smash your
Jason,
Motivation for unpaid Free Software development isn't the same as for
commercial software. You can't just tell someone which project(s) they
get to work on. They will work on which project(s) they think are most
interesting and/or important or they'll choose to do something else with
their
I read your message three time but I still can't figure out if you're for or
against Empathy in Gnome.
On 9/23/07, Andrew Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 17:07 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
See my other reply regarding Pidgin's de facto status as the Gnome
desktop IM
You appear to have not read the thread.
On 9/23/07, Travis Reitter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jason,
Motivation for unpaid Free Software development isn't the same as for
commercial software. You can't just tell someone which project(s) they
get to work on. They will work on which project(s)
On 9/23/07, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Xavier
On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 23:19 +0200, Xavier Claessens wrote:
Currently GNOME has no IM program at all, Ekiga does only voice andvideo
AFAIK.
Surely you haven't forgotten Gossip already. :P
FWIW, I'm extremely keen on keeping
As the lead developer of Soylent, I thought I'd add my own opinions
based on experience with libempathy(-gtk).
Using libempathy(-gtk) as a Telepathy wrapper made it very easy for me
to integrate instant messaging into Soylent. I've found the API to be
very consistent and thereby easy to use.
The
I read the thread - I just responded in general. But let me get a little
more specific:
From my own perspective, I would describe the three competing
applications as:
Empathy is a general communications program based around Telepathy, and
meant to be well-integrated into Gnome.
Ekiga is a
On 9/23/07, Travis Reitter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I read the thread - I just responded in general. But let me get a little
more specific:
From my own perspective, I would describe the three competing
applications as:
Empathy is a general communications program based around Telepathy, and
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 00:10 -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
* It appears to be a fork of Gossip and intended to replace Gossip.
The Gossip author has stated that Gossip is not dead. Gossip has
telepathy support...
* It appears to want to replace the default IM client installed in
distros
On 9/24/07, Jason D. Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* It appears to be a fork of Gossip and intended to replace Gossip. The
Gossip author has stated that Gossip is not dead. Gossip has telepathy
support...
FYI Telepathy support has been removed from gossip. Gossip is now only
focusing on
El lun, 24-09-2007 a las 00:10 -0500, Jason D. Clinton escribió:
* It appears to want to replace the default IM client installed in
distros (Pidgin).
So? Distros are free to package and ship GNOME components however they
see fit so long as they comply with any applicable copyright/trademark
On 9/24/07, Jaap Haitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* It appears to want to replace Ekiga. There appears to be no buy-in
from
Ekiga developers.
* It appears to want to replace the default IM client installed in
distros
(Pidgin).
If the consensus is that empathy is better I don't see
On 9/24/07, Peter Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So? Distros are free to package and ship GNOME components however they
see fit so long as they comply with any applicable copyright/trademark
licensing. Unfortunately, as a good analogy, most tend to ship Firefox
or Seamonkey as the default
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