Re: Final 2.10 Modules List Proposal

2005-02-03 Thread Luis Villa
Will someone volunteer to update the jhbuild moduleset? Thanks- Luis On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:37:10 +0100, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 09:09 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: Morning all, The release team has agreed on a final modules list proposal, if there is

Re: Request for breakage in gnome-panel

2005-02-12 Thread Luis Villa
I support this strongly; I understand the conceptual model behind putting run application... in Applications but it totally doesn't fit with anything else we do. Luis On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:19:05 -0500, Bryan Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey ~ I'm requesting a break in the 2.10 freeze for

Re: Request for UI freeze breakage

2005-02-18 Thread Luis Villa
I can't comment on the doc implications, but it seems like a useful fix to me and would make the foot menu more useful than it currently is. Luis On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:13:03 +0100 (CET), Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, The main menu needs some updates since right now, it's

houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Luis Villa
OK, all... we've been nagging about the showstoppers for a while now and had medium-to-poor success on them. By my count: http://tinyurl.com/657ob We're now down to 7, one or two of which are puntable, but many of which are extremely embarassing and some of which even have patches. Yes, some of

vte [was Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers]

2005-02-28 Thread Luis Villa
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:17:08 +0700, Ross Golder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 10:43 -0500, Luis Villa wrote: 122150 gnome-termnal 2.4.0.1 won't redraw text lines properly- redrawing is broken and has been for a long time. Given that vte is defacto unmaintained

Re: houston, we have a problem- 2.10 showstoppers

2005-02-28 Thread Luis Villa
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:35:28 -0700, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 10:43:35 -0500, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bug we have a handle on- go elijah go! 166722: gnome_url_show needs to use startup-notification and take a timestamp parameter- basically

Re: Potential showstopper?

2005-03-01 Thread Luis Villa
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 02:57:25 +0100, Emilio Jesus Gallego Arias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El mar, 01-03-2005 a las 17:46 -0800, Eugenia Loli-Queru escribió: Just as I was testing the Simple theme earlier with gnome-themes 2.9.92 on Arch Linux, the following happens, on

Re: freeze breakage request

2005-03-04 Thread Luis Villa
1/2. On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:02:12 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169021 contains a fix for a potential crasher that several people reported for RC1. It's a two-line fix. The issue is that request pages 1-4 from a list,

Re: roadmap status update/update request

2005-03-07 Thread Luis Villa
I would point out that if you want to discuss actual market research (/not/ online polling) then the discussion could be continued on marketing-list. /no/ part of the discussion is d-d-l appropriate. Luis On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:55:24 -0700, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar

Re: gnome-screensaver in CVS

2005-04-22 Thread Luis Villa
On 4/23/05, William Jon McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * include a version/equivalent of flurry screensaver * include a version/equivalent of glslideshow screensaver Are you not just wrapping the xscreensaver hacks? I thought that was what KDE had done? Luis

liveCD craaaaaaaaaaaaack (and call for volunteers)

2005-05-03 Thread Luis Villa
So... does anyone think it would be insane to put servers (hula, asterisk, jabber) on the liveCD and have the gnome tools point at them? Would anyone volunteer to look into this? :) Luis ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: vino branched

2005-05-19 Thread Luis Villa
Someone with more perl-fu than me- would it be possible to set up a script to watch cvs-commits list and send this kind of mail out automatically, or just update a webpage somewhere? Making maintainers do this manually (and remember to do it automatically) seems sort of crap... Luis (Jeff can't

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-08 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/8/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I guess there's quite a few benefits/risks to be weighed up here: - The benefit of having cool new rendering stuff in GNOME 2.12 - The benefit of being able to use all the other new APIs in GTK+ 2.8 for GNOME 2.12

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-08 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/8/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/8/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I guess there's quite a few benefits/risks to be weighed up here: - The benefit of having cool new rendering stuff in GNOME 2.12 - The benefit of being able to use all

gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-09 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/9/05, Jon K Hellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 14:39 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: If we're talking about performance/stability in the context of whether GNOME 2.12 should use GTK+ 2.8, we're effectively saying I think the GTK+ team might ship a unstable or

ggv/gpdf and evince

2005-06-09 Thread Luis Villa
I think there seems to be a very strong consensus that ggv/gpdf should be replaced by evince in 2.12. Does anyone object to me going ahead and removing them from the jhbuild moduleset and adding evince? Luis ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-09 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/9/05, Jon K Hellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 10:49 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: first 'column' of times is gtk 2.6, second is gtk/cairo HEAD of yesterday, both with the Mist theme: GtkEntry - time: 0.43 0.76 GtkComboBox - time: 12.61 15.30 GtkComboBoxEntry

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/9/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/05, Jon K Hellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 14:39 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: If we're talking about performance/stability in the context of whether

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this announced on gtk-devel or here, so: http://gtkperf.sourceforge.net/ Apparently this is a test tool to test gtk performance. Would be great to have someone test 2.7 with it. Went ahead and did it myself

Re: gtk performance testing [was Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 09:40 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 6/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this announced on gtk-devel or here, so: http://gtkperf.sourceforge.net/ Apparently this is a test

moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
[Moving this off r-t to a broader group that might have more feedback on this :) On 6/10/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, June 10, 2005 15:22, Ross Burton said: I think the release team need to make a statement about what version of DBus is to be used for any code which can

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 19:00 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: - To be realistic, if GNOME-2.12 is released after GTK+-2.8, most distributors are going to ship using them together. So, the release team could decide to go with 2.6 even with

Re: moving to dbus 0.3x asthe target version for G2.12 [was Re: DBus in G2.12]

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:23 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: [Moving this off r-t to a broader group that might have more feedback on this :) On 6/10/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, June 10, 2005 15:22, Ross Burton said

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Owen Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:21 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: But the last time we rushed out a gtk-gnome paired release, and got ourselves locked into the new APIs so that we couldn't back out, the result was that any distro actually paying

gnome-keyring-manager in 2.12

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
Seems to me that gnome-keyring-manager should at a minimum go into meta-gnome-proposed in jhbuild*, and seems (to me) to fill a fairly important need for key management, and should probably be in 2.12. Anyone have any thoughts on this? For reference, it wasn't in 2.8 because of issues addressed

Re: ggv/gpdf and evince

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/10/05, Kristian Høgsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that I think we should include evince in GNOME, replacing gpdf and ggv. I'm only saying that maybe is better disable by now poppler's cairo backend: this will produce sometimes a less sexy rendering, but it's fast and with

Re: ggv/gpdf and evince

2005-06-10 Thread Luis Villa
On 10 Jun 2005 15:33:58 -0400, Jonathan Blandford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6/10/05, Kristian Høgsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With my testing hat on, I couldn't agree more. :) I assume you mean make it the default in the next evince release

tinderbox-y status-y thing-y

2005-06-12 Thread Luis Villa
So since I've been whining about building gtk 2.7 and stack, and of course had only attempted a couple times to build it (and all had failed) I thought I'd poke at tinderbox-y bits this weekend. Some Luis Network News-y[1] bits: * the nss install stuff is still sort of hosed when building against

Re: tinderbox-y status-y thing-y

2005-06-12 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/12/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * the nss install stuff is still sort of hosed when building against firefox, but I have a patch: see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154213 I should add that I'd greatly appreciate it if a couple other people could apply this patch

Re: G2.12 with jhbuild

2005-06-13 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/13/05, Cédric Marcone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hal doesn't build in jhbuild beacuse dbus didn't install dbus-gtype-specialized.h in $prefix/include/dbus-1.0/dbus I don't have any install-fu magic, so no patch : sorry ;) Yeah, a commit from Colin Walters (applying a patch from Ross

Re: G2.12 with jhbuild

2005-06-13 Thread Luis Villa
And the tinderbox succeeds now (at least, hal does :). Thanks... Luis On 6/13/05, Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:42 +0100, Ross Burton wrote: Hackish patch to fix this attached. Expect something similar and some other patches which slipped through the

Re: G2.12 with jhbuild

2005-06-14 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/14/05, Ryan McDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-14-06 at 08:22 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: The problem is that newer pkg-config's pkg.m4 caches PKG_CHECK_MODULES() ... James. Having had quite a few pains myself when trying to build gnome from jhbuild, I wonder

Re: GNOME 2.11/2.12 targeting GTK+ 2.8 (ie cairo based)

2005-06-14 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/14/05, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 14 juin 2005 à 11:57 +0200, Sebastien Bacher a écrit : Le vendredi 10 juin 2005 à 13:10 -0400, Luis Villa a écrit : Each of the major distributors could (should?) package 2.7.0 I've put .deb packages (i386) of the current

Re: ANNOUNCE: Deskbar Applet 0.3 (keybindings)

2005-06-16 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/16/05, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Jun 2005, at 12:47, Luis Villa wrote: If someone could *finally* wrap that in a GUI (ideally, I guess, as part of the existing keybinding dialog) that would be a nice 2.12 feature. Well, we still do this in JDS... I know

Re: ANNOUNCE: Deskbar Applet 0.3 (keybindings)

2005-06-30 Thread Luis Villa
Popping heads up on this tread again- Jonathan, Jody, what will it take to get this patch in for 2.12? On 6/17/05, Erwann Chenede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The functionality (for custom keybindings) was added the 2002-05-22 in gnome-settings-daemon. If anybody is interested by the UI in JDS 3

Re: ANNOUNCE: Deskbar Applet 0.3 (keybindings)

2005-06-30 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/30/05, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 11:07 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Popping heads up on this tread again- Jonathan, Jody, what will it take to get this patch in for 2.12? Hasn't Sebastien Bacher taken Jonathan's place in the g-c-c maintainers? News

all your build are belong to us[1]

2005-07-10 Thread Luis Villa
Narrator: In A.D. 2005, build was beginning. Captain: What happen ? Mechanic: someone[2] set the build up the bomb! Operator: We get signal. Captain: What ! Operator: Main screen turn on. [1] yes, i'm having fun rehashing old memes. Don't like it, find a new buildbitch ;) [2] by

Re: all your build are belong to us[1]

2005-07-10 Thread Luis Villa
Hrm. half-assed funny emails are better when they actually get finished before they get sent. Blah... Anyway, build output coming shortly- accidentally nuked the error and am now rebuilding to double-check. Luis On 7/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Narrator: In A.D. 2005, build

Re: Gnome Session Services Framework

2005-07-11 Thread Luis Villa
Hey, guys- if I wanted to test this: (1) what would I need to do to set it up, exactly? (presume that I have all of GNOME running from source, and can patch as needed.) (2) how could I tell if it succeeded/failed? What are the expectations, design goals, etc.? What new things should I be able to

Re: Gnome Session Services Framework

2005-07-11 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/11/05, John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 14:14 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Hey, guys- if I wanted to test this: (1) what would I need to do to set it up, exactly? (presume that I have all of GNOME running from source, and can patch as needed.) You just

Re: all your build are belong to us[1]

2005-07-12 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hrm. half-assed funny emails are better when they actually get finished before they get sent. Blah... Anyway, build output coming shortly- accidentally nuked the error and am now rebuilding

Re: all your build are belong to us[1]

2005-07-12 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/12/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/10/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hrm. half-assed funny emails are better when they actually get finished before they get sent. Blah... Anyway, build output coming shortly

Re: Certification for GNOME apps

2005-07-13 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/13/05, Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heya, Dudes, you should work with Brian Cameron from Sun on this - I'm pretty sure he'll pick up this thread, but he's done a HUGE amount of work in this space already. I personally think a step by step effort working down through your

Re: Certification for GNOME apps

2005-07-13 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/13/05, Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that necessarily going to please 100% of ISVs? No. (Possibly not even 50%.) Will it be useful anyway? IMHO, yes. While we should definitely get Bryan's input and attempt to accomodate it as much as practicable, lets please not bog this

Re: eggcups (and libgnomecups) for 2.12

2005-07-14 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/14/05, Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mercredi 13 juillet 2005 à 19:56 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit : Opinions? Hi, It seems pretty minimalistic, there is no UI to configure a non-detectable printer by example (lp, smb, ...). Wouldn't gnome-cups-manager be better

proposed modules [was Re: gnome-keyring-manager in 2.12]

2005-07-14 Thread Luis Villa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lör 2005-07-09 klockan 22:54 +0200 skrev Christian Rose: fre 2005-06-10 klockan 13:53 -0400 skrev Luis Villa: Seems to me that gnome-keyring-manager should at a minimum go into meta-gnome-proposed in jhbuild*, and seems (to me) to fill a fairly important need

'I am using make check.'[1]

2005-07-14 Thread Luis Villa
So, I'm now tinderboxing with 'make check' turned on. This is good, in that we have more testing. Maintainers who do not immediately start writing tests which run on make check are poopieheads. :) [2] This is bad, in that lots of things are failing right now. I plan to file bugs on these as

we have a tinderbox winner.

2005-07-14 Thread Luis Villa
And by winner, I mean LOSAH. tinderbox, having guessed that the magic word was 'dbus', was given the appetizing choice of door #1, door #2, or door #842, chose #842. Looking behind door #842: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/ChangeLog?rev=1.842view=markup means we did not get the car behind

Re: we have a tinderbox winner.

2005-07-15 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/15/05, Colin Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 23:55 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: And by winner, I mean LOSAH. tinderbox, having guessed that the magic word was 'dbus', was given the appetizing choice of door #1, door #2, or door #842, chose #842. Looking behind

Re: Heads-up: overwrite confirmation for GtkFileChooser

2005-07-15 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/15/05, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 06:05, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/news-2005-07.html#14 Cool, needs a little HIG love though :) - Alerts shouldn't have any titlebar text Is this, or is this not, an a11y

Re: 'I am using make check.'[1]

2005-07-15 Thread Luis Villa
be in the style of Dr. Seuss. And that would cause him to roll over in his grave. And no one would like that, would they? On 7/14/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'm now tinderboxing with 'make check' turned on. This is good, in that we have more testing. Maintainers who do not immediately

Re: Default theme

2005-07-15 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/15/05, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 17:50 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: None of the other Great Monarchs have assumed power on this issue. Thus I, as the GDP Fearless Leader, hereby declare this the new default theme. I don't want a long discussion about

rawhide tangent [was Re: Gtk+ 2.8 for GNOME 2.12]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 09:05 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: [I'm not opposed to 2.7 going in anymore- what bugs there are seem to be getting fixed very promptly- so this is just for information.] On 7/18/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED

make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
Sadly, I have no entertainment or drugs for you today. Currently: * gnome-vfs * e-d-s * at-spi (because it isn't self-hosting; serious autotool guru-ness may be needed here.) are failing 'make check'. bugs and traces:

make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/18/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. It was suggested that I should 'make distcheck' in tinderbox. Opinions? Luis is cool for doing all this tinderbox work. Heh. Thank James mostly; he wrote the code and I'm just

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:03 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 7/18/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/18/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. It was suggested that I should 'make distcheck' in tinderbox

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Luis Villa wrote: build/distribute daily snapshots like we used to. Not sure if that is worth the admitted pain of nagging/etc., especially since ATM no one is offering to build daily snaps. I'm willing to do

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Andrew Sobala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 15:54 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 15:22 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 7/18/05, Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Luis Villa wrote: build/distribute daily

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Ikke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 15:29 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: One way to go about is to require all involved modules to have an RPM .spec file, and jhbuild can be instructed to build and install RPMs, but most probably this will not be accepted

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Rob Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Behdad Esfahbod wrote: One way to go about is to require all involved modules to have an RPM .spec file, and jhbuild can be instructed to build and install RPMs, but most probably this will not be accepted practice in GNOME. Or am I wrong?

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 20:23 +0200, Ikke wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:28 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: I think the advantages of adding make distcheck are bigger than the disadvantages. OK, but what are they? :) Making sure

Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Luis Villa So, I think it should be doable, and more than useful! Well, ATM, using a simple-but-possibly-wrong hack[1] 10 of the 18 gtk dependencies fail distcheck. Yeah, but those are way out of our scope. It's probably only

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Ikke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:15 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 13:03 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 7/18/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/18/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. It was suggested

Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/18/05, Danilo Šegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today at 18:56, Elijah Newren wrote: Sane? Insane? Does it matter? I think it'd be useful, though I'm betting libwnck fails and I'll be unable to fix it (I wasn't able to last time I tried, but thankfully people smarter than I are

the bug that ate make distcheck

2005-07-18 Thread Luis Villa
'make distcheck' actually seems to work shockingly well (enough that I'll probably try to run it once a day) but this bug: Libwnck CVS HEAD fails to compile w/ --enable-gtk-doc http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=302231 hoses things pretty badly, since libwnck is (indirectly) a dependency

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-19 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/19/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Luis Villa shrug If we're going to throw massive tarballs over the wall, might as well add the extra few megs and just make them debug from the start, no? Luis (noting that he has no idea if this would actually *work

Re: make distcheck in tinderbox [was Re: make check failures- gnome-vfs, e-d-s, at-spi]

2005-07-19 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/19/05, Dan Winship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 11:31 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 7/19/05, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The naming of the packages could also be such that there is no chance of conflicting with your vendor gnome, current version

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/21/05, Andrew Sobala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 14:49 -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: But there is no reason to tarnish Gnome's reputation because some people feel that Gtk 2.8 is too cool to wait. Shipping a slower, more fragile version of Gnome and which in

Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/21/05, Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, The QA team does not consider a GTK+ 2.8-based GNOME more fragile than a 2.6-based one. The QA team believes the issues involved in upgrading this component of the GNOME desktop are no greater than upgrading any other

Re: Clearlooks and GNOME 2.12

2005-07-21 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/21/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/21/05, Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6) I sent off my default theme declaration about a week ago. Whatever the technical solution is, I need it to happen now. We hit UI freeze in less than a week. Hmm...hard to get people

Re: Old versions of GNOME [was: Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12]

2005-07-21 Thread Luis Villa
move to bzr, svk, or something in that vein to make the branching part of this manageable over the long term. Or rather, we don't *have* to, but I don't envy the poor soul who tries to do it with CVS. Luis On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 00:22 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 7/22/05, Glynn Foster [EMAIL

Re: Old versions of GNOME [was: Re: gtk 2.8 for gnome 2.12]

2005-07-22 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/22/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Federico, On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 22:58 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: I work in the desktop team at Novell, and a large part of my work consists of maintaining NLD 9, which uses GNOME 2.6. When a bug comes in for that

Re: Dumping gnome-smproxy in 2.14

2005-07-22 Thread Luis Villa
Honestly, any reason to wait to 2.14? Luis On 7/22/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, gnome-smproxy is a little program in gnome-session which acts as an XSMP proxy for applications which don't support XSMP, but do support the obsolete WM_SAVE_YOURSELF ICCCM protocol.

Re: mouse theme

2005-07-26 Thread Luis Villa
That would be awesome! It would be almost like: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110670 or maybe it would be like: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-control-center/capplets/mouse/ChangeLog?rev=1.97view=markup 2005-07-10 Sebastien Bacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] *

new modules for 2.12

2005-07-26 Thread Luis Villa
The release team met last week, and we talked a bit about the new module stuff. As usual, we tried to understand and reflect the community consensus as reflected in d-d-l and other forums, with the understanding that sometimes we have to, you know, go ahead and decide ;) In: * evince: It's

state of the tinder

2005-07-27 Thread Luis Villa
Some things are sort of broken, and because I've been using the tinderbox box as a liveCD build machine they haven't been caught. Apologies if this ruins your plans to stay instead and play with HEAD all day. :) Culprits so far: * ORBit2 * gnome-applets xkb stuff The direct committers have been

vfs, applets, keyring, libgtop broken [was Re: state of the tinder]

2005-07-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/27/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some things are sort of broken, and because I've been using the tinderbox box as a liveCD build machine they haven't been caught. Apologies if this ruins your plans to stay instead and play with HEAD all day. :) Culprits so far: * ORBit2

Re: gnome-power-manager in 2.14, was: new modules for 2.12

2005-07-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/27/05, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 17:49 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Punted to 2.13/2.14 * eggcups: this was pushed very late, and partially as a result there * productivity/office suite: the discussions about where this would I'm guessing gnome-power

Re: vfs, applets, keyring, libgtop broken [was Re: state of the tinder]

2005-07-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/27/05, Tor Lillqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 12:25 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Also broken: * gnome-vfs, since this commit: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-vfs/ChangeLog?rev=1.2231view=markup Should be fixed now. Sorry. No problem, thanks for fixing. Luis

Re: vfs, applets, keyring, libgtop broken

2005-07-28 Thread Luis Villa
On 7/28/05, Yavor Doganov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:25:01 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Similar with libgtop: Fixed in CVS by Alexander Shopov. Apologies for this blunder. Thanks, Yavor, Alexander. Much appreciated. Luis (sparing you all for the weekend) P.S. anyone

tinderbox breakages in moz, soup, gnome-menus, libgnomeprint

2005-08-13 Thread Luis Villa
No energy to be funny this morning. Each of you should instead picture me in a Cat In The Hat hat, reciting Dr. Seuss, but using lots of words that rhyme with 'build' and 'tinderbox.' Current culprits: * mozilla, with gcc4, in the library: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284386

Re: tinderbox breakages in moz, soup, gnome-menus, libgnomeprint

2005-08-14 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/14/05, Mark McLoughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 14:16 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: * gnome-menus: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-menus/ChangeLog?rev=1.133view=markup causes: make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/bb/microtinder/cvs/gnome-menus' menu-monitor.c

Re: tinderbox breakages in moz, soup, gnome-menus, libgnomeprint

2005-08-14 Thread Luis Villa
It is. Thanks, Tor. Luis On 8/13/05, Tor Lillqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope libgnomeprint is fixed now: 2005-08-14 Tor Lillqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] * libgnomeprint/filters/Makefile.am (install-exec-hook): Hack to make make install work, especially in tinderbox-like

Re: dbus build borkage

2005-08-22 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/22/05, John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 13:24 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: I wanted to post this to the dbus list, but I can't subscribe to it- every address I try comes back invalid. So i'm posting here instead. Dr. Seuss on managing software development

2.12 stoppers and bug day tomorrow

2005-08-24 Thread Luis Villa
This is necessarily an incomplete list; if you know of a bug you believe is a stopper, if in any doubt, please mail gnome-bugsquad@gnome.org We'll be looking for more of these in irc.gnome.org #bugs tomorrow- find a showstopper in bugzilla or the code tomorrow, and I'll personally... well, dunno,

Re: 2.12 stoppers and bug day tomorrow

2005-08-27 Thread Luis Villa
It is sort of scaring me that we seem to be making very little progress on even looking at some of these. We found four more at bugday, though some (2, I think?) from the original list have also been fixed. New ones: text documents just disappearing off the desktop :/

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/27/05, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2005-08-28 at 00:05 +0100, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote: Thoughts? Should xrdb be turned off by default? IMHO a much better solution would be to simply delay running xrdb until after the splash screen

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/27/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Alex Graveley My gut reaction is that you should disable it now, and reenable/cache xrdb if user response is negative. Turns out we've already disabled it and re-enabled it again because the user response was negative. So... :-)

Re: Removing xrdb for 10% startup win?

2005-08-27 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/27/05, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Jeff Waugh How about most people's Emacs? And everything Tk, which covers a pretty surprising amount of software that corporates like. I'm still distinctly unconvinced the rest of us (that is, the vast majority) should be paying a

Re: 2.12 stoppers and bug day tomorrow

2005-08-28 Thread Luis Villa
On 28 Aug 2005 01:15:19 -0400, Jonathan Blandford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: print screen has cool new feature, that 100% crashes after you use it! http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309731 Feature's been there for a release. Yes, I took poetic license with the details. ;) I fixed

Re: crappy first cut at 2.11.92-ish CD

2005-08-28 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/24/05, Andreas Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 24.08.2005, 13:26 +0200 schrieb Marcus Bauer: On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 06:42 -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Some known issues, not all of which have known solutions ATM: * Luis is a silly person and has not contacted Marcus

Re: gnome-games branched

2005-08-30 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/30/05, Callum McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gnome-games has been branched for gnome-2-12 gnome-2-12 is the stable branch HEAD will become unstable (really, really, unstable) in a few days time Care to share an outline of your plans for the next cycle? :) Luis

Re: [Evolution-hackers] Evolution and Evolution-Data-Server branched

2005-08-31 Thread Luis Villa
On 8/31/05, Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, The gnome-2-12 branch for Evolution and Evolution-Data-Server has been created. This would be the stable branch for Evolution 2.4 and Evolution-Data-Server 1.4 For action ahead on HEAD branch, check out

Re: [Evolution-hackers] Evolution and Evolution-Data-Server branched

2005-09-02 Thread Luis Villa
On 9/2/05, Danilo Šegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't forget to CC gnome-i18n and gnome-docs-list when creating new branches, especially this close to a release, since we may still work on HEAD not knowing that we need to switch! The original post *was* sent to gnome-i18n; I just

Re: GnomeMeeting 1.2.2

2005-09-05 Thread Luis Villa
On 9/5/05, Damien Sandras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to all, GnomeMeeting 1.2.2 has been uploaded to the GNOME FTP server for release with GNOME 2.12. It is a very minor bugfixes release. It contains several translations updates. I have created a gnome-2-12 branch. Development will

Re: GnomeMeeting 1.2.2

2005-09-06 Thread Luis Villa
Cool! I've added some information and a link to this post to the roadmap: http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap Luis On 9/5/05, Damien Sandras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sending again with the subscribed e-mail address and with more information. Sorry for the duplicate. In line with my other

Re: Preliminary Gnome 2.14 Schedule

2005-09-14 Thread Luis Villa
On 9/14/05, Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Having feature freeze two weeks after Christmas last year caused some complaints. To avoid something like that, we need to extend the schedule by a week, shorten it by at least 3 weeks, or do something even more drastic. FWIW,

Re: Eel and Nautilus branched

2005-10-03 Thread Luis Villa
On 10/3/05, Alexander Larsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eel and Nautilus has been branched for 2.13. 2.12.x work go in the gnome-2-12 branch. Any interesting plans for 2.13/14? Luis ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Sound Juicer branched

2005-10-04 Thread Luis Villa
Any plans for 2.13? [Yes, I'm going to ask this every time I see one of these :) Luis On 10/4/05, Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sound Juicer has branched for development, stable branch is gnome-2-12 as expected. Ross -- Ross Burton mail: [EMAIL

Re: nautilus-cd-burner branched for 2.12

2005-10-06 Thread Luis Villa
On 10/6/05, William Jon McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have branched nautilus-cd-burner. The stable branch is gnome-2-12 and development continues on HEAD. No big plans for GNOME 2.14 - just fixing bugs. Anyone who has penciled in 'make gdm and screensaver rock my sox' for 2.14

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