Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 19:30 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
Feel free to maintain a separate module with the old code...
This is not an option. As downstream maintainers we will *have* to
maintain the old code.
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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote:
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote:
yeah, I agree with you, I think both should be the same (an applet or an
icon), so
Le lundi 19 janvier 2009, à 11:30 +0100, Patryk Zawadzki a écrit :
Wouldn't it be easier to convert the old applet to also use a tray
icon? This way no useless applet needs to stay in the memory (due to
the fact applets have no programmatical way to add or remove
themselves at run time).
Or
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote:
yeah, I agree with you, I think both should be the same (an applet or an
icon), so since we already have the applet, I guess it would make sense
to add code
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 17:35 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 16.01.09 17:12, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
pulseaudio (and it should)
2009/1/19 Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr:
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 12:32 +0200, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
What really PA needs is some kind of great switch for
advanced/troubled users. I admit I wasn't found about PA in the past,
but now it works. Sure it has quirks but it is really nice
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 12:32 +0200, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
What really PA needs is some kind of great switch for
advanced/troubled users. I admit I wasn't found about PA in the past,
but now it works. Sure it has quirks but it is really nice feature to
Free Desktop.
There are still cases
Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 11:21 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
you're right about the resources taken by the hidden applet, but as you
see, Debian, openSUSE and Mandriva need ways to offer users a fallback,
so we really need it. If there's a better solution than hiding the
applet, let's use
On Mon, 19.01.09 14:33, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 11:21 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
you're right about the resources taken by the hidden applet, but as you
see, Debian, openSUSE and Mandriva need ways to offer users a fallback,
so we really need
Lennart Poettering wrote:
Yes, there’s a quicker way: restore the full GStreamer-based panel
applet. Contrarily to gnome-volume-control, there’s not much gain in
using PA in the applet.
Oh, is that so?
This is some old Topaz mockup:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.de wrote:
Oh, is that so?
This is some old Topaz mockup:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/20/70003494_668cfdc0dd.jpg
Your attitude is making it really hard to take sides with PA. Yes,
it's *the* only way forward at the
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 14:33 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 19 janvier 2009 à 11:21 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
you're right about the resources taken by the hidden applet, but as you
see, Debian, openSUSE and Mandriva need ways to offer users a fallback,
so we really need it. If
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 12:10 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.de
wrote:
Oh, is that so?
This is some old Topaz mockup:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/20/70003494_668cfdc0dd.jpg
Your attitude is making it really hard
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 17:56 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Maybe the time spent on discussing this issue and on fixing a way to
support both systems with and without PA is better spent in fixing the
sound drivers.
BTW. TO bring some facts in the discussion, here's a small Wiki page I
set
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 13:22 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 15 janvier 2009 à 12:55 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
If the two applets don’t share the basic UI (one panel applet and one
notification icon), that’s a bigger problem. I guess we could always
ship the GStreamer one and
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodr...@gnome-db.org wrote:
yeah, I agree with you, I think both should be the same (an applet or an
icon), so since we already have the applet, I guess it would make sense
to add code to the applet to hide itself and start the notification icon
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
pulseaudio (and it should)
Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
We can ship PA by default and make everything possible to get the best
of it, but
2009/1/16 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
pulseaudio (and it should)
Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
We can ship PA by default and make
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 17:12 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
pulseaudio (and it should)
Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
We can ship PA by
On Fri, 16.01.09 17:12, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
pulseaudio (and it should)
Again, this cannot be a distribution choice!
We can ship PA
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 11:31 -0500, David Zeuthen a écrit :
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 17:12 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le vendredi 16 janvier 2009 à 10:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
But this is not a runtime decision. Either your distro is using
pulseaudio (and it should)
On Fri, 16.01.09 17:49, Frederic Crozat (fcro...@mandriva.com) wrote:
No, it is not THAT simple.
We (Mandriva) are shipping PA and it works for most users, but there are
users with problems (either ALSA related or PA related, Colin Guthrie is
always making sure those issues are reported
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 09:47 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 20:54 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
Oh right, so we have to choose between supporting only PA and screw
other users, or not benefit from PA at all. What a choice.
Uh? You can ship both if you
Le jeudi 15 janvier 2009 à 12:55 +0100, Rodrigo Moya a écrit :
If the two applets don’t share the basic UI (one panel applet and one
notification icon), that’s a bigger problem. I guess we could always
ship the GStreamer one and start the PA one only if PA is running, but
that’s not very
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 20:54 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
Oh right, so we have to choose between supporting only PA and screw
other users, or not benefit from PA at all. What a choice.
Uh? You can ship both if you wish and pass the decision what to use to
the user. I mean, that
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 18:33, Lennart Poettering mzta...@0pointer.dewrote:
On Mon, 12.01.09 16:55, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 15:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
I don't think the advent of sound cards that do this kind of switching
in
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 17:53 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I’m more worried about the applet. While I perfectly understand the
benefits gnome-volume-control can have by using PA directly, there is
nothing in the applet’s UI that will be improved this way. Why not keep
the current GStreamer
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 04:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
Ahoj,
a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
At January 19th, Module Freeze takes place: New modules and
functionality for GNOME 2.26 will
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 15:55 -0500, Matthias Clasen a écrit :
Can you explain me how removing IEC958 support (to only talk of the
example on the top of my head) is a progression?
Ah, maybe I finally get to learn what that mysterious checkbox labeled
IEC958 was supposed to do.
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009, à 10:54 +0100, Frederic Crozat a écrit :
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 04:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
Ahoj,
a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
At January 19th,
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 13:57 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009, à 10:54 +0100, Frederic Crozat a écrit :
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 04:39 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
Ahoj,
a reminder that module
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 12:09 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote:
On 1/11/09, Paolo Borelli pbore...@katamail.com wrote:
Apart from the usual philosophical discussions about what should or
should not go in the notification area, using a notification icon in
this case is especially
On Sun, 11.01.09 15:08, Brian Cameron (brian.came...@sun.com) wrote:
Heya,
Note that Solaris does not yet use PulseAudio. On Solaris we are
currently using the GStreamer backend for libcanberra, so it is
incorrect to say that it is an official approved dependency just
by virtue of
On Mon, 12.01.09 10:01, Enver ALTIN (eal...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 17:53 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I’m more worried about the applet. While I perfectly understand the
benefits gnome-volume-control can have by using PA directly, there is
nothing in the applet’s UI that
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 15:43 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
I don't think the advent of sound cards that do this kind of switching
in software should hold as back and require us to export every single
crazy volume control to the user.
Still, this is not a reason to break things on
Lennart:
However,
the benefits of using PulseAudio when using OSS don't seem to be
as compelling as when you are using ALSA since OSS has mixing
functionalities lacking in ALSA already built in.
These are misconceptions. Misconceptions about what ALSA does, and
about what PA does. ALSA does
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 17:33 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
Isn't the fact that we plan to include both volume controls in GNOME
transition phase enough? Those distros who like PA adopt the new one,
the ones who don't continue to use the old one. Distros who are unable
to decide have
eOn Mon, 12.01.09 20:23, Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org) wrote:
Le lundi 12 janvier 2009 à 17:33 +0100, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
Isn't the fact that we plan to include both volume controls in GNOME
transition phase enough? Those distros who like PA adopt the new one,
the ones who
Op zondag 11-01-2009 om 12:09 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Diego
Escalante Urrelo:
Apart from the usual philosophical discussions about what should or
should not go in the notification area, using a notification icon in
this case is especially annoying (at least for me) since it means I
On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 14:21 +, Bastien Nocera wrote:
The answer to your question is that a microphone icon will show up in
the notification area when an application uses it, and only for that
microphone. So you don't need 2 applets to change the volume for your
webcam's microphone and the
Il giorno dom, 11/01/2009 alle 00.10 +0100, Andre Klapper ha scritto:
Ahoj,
Proposed External Deps:
* libproxy
* unique
* Mono.Addins
* libgda
* libnotify
* notification-daemon
* libmapi
* samba4
Please also note that on current trunk
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 12:21 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
Please also note that on current trunk the Audio capplet from
gnome-control-center and the Volume Control applet from gnome-applets
was replaced in favour of new gnome-volume-control and
gnome-volume-control-applet[1] in
2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 12:21 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
Please also note that on current trunk the Audio capplet from
gnome-control-center and the Volume Control applet from gnome-applets
was replaced in favour of new gnome-volume-control
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 10:37 -0500, William Jon McCann a écrit :
2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
So, there is no more GStreamer mixer? It is not possible to use any
other backend than PulseAudio? It looks like an important regression to
me.
It is interesting to me how,
Il giorno dom, 11/01/2009 alle 16.24 +0100, Josselin Mouette ha scritto:
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 12:21 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
Please also note that on current trunk the Audio capplet from
gnome-control-center and the Volume Control applet from gnome-applets
was replaced in
Il giorno dom, 11/01/2009 alle 16.51 +0100, Luca Ferretti ha scritto:
* gnome-volume-control-applet from gnome-media (new, a
notification icon, not a real panel applet like the
previous one)
Maybe I missed an existing discussion about this, but I
Luca Ferretti wrote:
In GNOME 2.24 we have
* gnome-volume-control (AKA gst-mixer) from gnome-media
* gnome-sound-properties from gnome-control-center
* mixer_applet2 from gnome-applets
In current development release we have (at least it seems to me):
A.
2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 10:37 -0500, William Jon McCann a écrit :
2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
So, there is no more GStreamer mixer? It is not possible to use any
other backend than PulseAudio? It looks like an important
Paolo Borelli wrote:
Il giorno dom, 11/01/2009 alle 16.51 +0100, Luca Ferretti ha scritto:
* gnome-volume-control-applet from gnome-media (new, a
notification icon, not a real panel applet like the
previous one)
Maybe I missed an existing
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 16:51 +0100, Luca Ferretti a écrit :
A. With pulseaudio
* gnome-volume-control (NEW, not the previous one) from
gnome-media
* gnome-volume-control-applet from gnome-media (new, a
notification icon,
On 1/11/09, Paolo Borelli pbore...@katamail.com wrote:
Apart from the usual philosophical discussions about what should or
should not go in the notification area, using a notification icon in
this case is especially annoying (at least for me) since it means I
cannot place the volume
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 16:21 +, Sjoerd Simons a écrit :
Sorry for being late. We'd like to add telepathy-farsight[0] as an external
dependency for that for Empathy's voip support. Which itself depends on
farsight2[1] and indirectly on libnice[2] Currently it uses
2009-01-11 klockan 19:52 skrev Guillaume Desmottes:
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 16:21 +, Sjoerd Simons a écrit :
[...] add telepathy-farsight[0] as an external dependency for that for
Empathy's voip support. [...]
Just to complete this, the advantages of this switch include:
-
2009/1/11 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Can you explain me how removing IEC958 support (to only talk of the
example on the top of my head) is a progression?
Ah, maybe I finally get to learn what that mysterious checkbox labeled
IEC958 was supposed to do.
Frederic:
Note that Solaris does not yet use PulseAudio. On Solaris we are
currently using the GStreamer backend for libcanberra, so it is
incorrect to say that it is an official approved dependency just
by virtue of libcanberra.
If it is necessary to integrate PulseAudio for gnome-mixer
Brian Cameron wrote:
Note that Solaris does not yet use PulseAudio. On Solaris we are
currently using the GStreamer backend for libcanberra, so it is
incorrect to say that it is an official approved dependency just
by virtue of libcanberra.
Oh sorry about that, I didn't know libcanberra
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:10:29AM +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
Ahoj,
a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
At January 19th, Module Freeze takes place: New modules and
functionality for GNOME 2.26 will be chosen[1]. Next weekend, the GNOME
Release Team will meet and
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote:
Brian Cameron wrote:
Note that Solaris does not yet use PulseAudio. On Solaris we are
currently using the GStreamer backend for libcanberra, so it is
incorrect to say that it is an official approved dependency just
by
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 20:08 +0100, Wouter Bolsterlee a écrit :
2009-01-11 klockan 19:52 skrev Guillaume Desmottes:
Le dimanche 11 janvier 2009 à 16:21 +, Sjoerd Simons a écrit :
[...] add telepathy-farsight[0] as an external dependency for that for
Empathy's voip support.
Ahoj,
a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
At January 19th, Module Freeze takes place: New modules and
functionality for GNOME 2.26 will be chosen[1]. Next weekend, the GNOME
Release Team will meet and decide about the proposed modules.
Readers: We have already seen
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
Please do not propose *new* modules now, it's too late.
You can do this again in October for GNOME 2.28.
I guess you meant to say in April, October would be a bit late for
2.28 ;)
bye
Andreas
--
Andreas Proschofsky
Gentoo Developer /
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 04:40, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
Proposed External Deps:
* libproxy
* unique
* Mono.Addins
* libgda
* libnotify
* notification-daemon
* libmapi
* samba4
If you already have proposed a module on this mailing list
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:10 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote:
Ahoj,
a reminder that module inclusion discussion must heat up now.
At January 19th, Module Freeze takes place: New modules and
functionality for GNOME 2.26 will be chosen[1]. Next weekend, the GNOME
Release Team will meet and decide
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