Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Carlos Soriano wrote: > Oh I actually talked with Matthew today about this and opened a new bug: > > https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/390 . In this > case this is for disabling the spam filter they have so any non-registered > user can tal

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

--- Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication) Local Time: March 14, 2017 5:50 PM UTC Time: March 14, 2017 4:50 PM From: mcatanz...@gnome.org To: Alexandre Franke , Matthew Hodgson Desktop Development List On Wed, 2017-03-08 at 12:15 +0100, Alexand

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On Wed, 2017-03-08 at 12:15 +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote: > Heads up on a quite important issue: some private messages from IRC > users to Matrix users are not delivered. The IRC user won’t get > notified and so will never know the messages were lost. > > https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-apps

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Matthew Hodgson wrote: > We've finally set up a bridge hosted by matrix.org that links GIMPNet into > Matrix (as per the earlier bits of this thread). Heads up on a quite important issue: some private messages from IRC users to Matrix users are not delivered. The I

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

Yeah this is so awesome! /Mattias - who just deleted his IRCCloud account Den 3 mars 2017 1:57 em skrev "Emmanuele Bassi" : Thanks ever so much for this work, Matthew. It's really a great addition to the communication channels for GNOME, and hopefully people will start using Matrix much more. :-

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

Thanks ever so much for this work, Matthew. It's really a great addition to the communication channels for GNOME, and hopefully people will start using Matrix much more. :-) Ciao, Emmanuele. On 2 March 2017 at 19:32, Matthew Hodgson wrote: > On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote: >>> >>> O

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list wrote: ... > On thing I was a little afraid yesterday is that my devices are shown for > everybody (and then it says validate the key), at some point I though those > were private keys rather than public to ensure the sender/receiver. > ... I've started a wi

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

(was: Re: Thoughs about communication) Local Time: March 3, 2017 7:59 AM UTC Time: March 3, 2017 6:59 AM From: rishi...@lostca.se To: Carlos Soriano Desktop Development List On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 05:56:25PM -0500, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list wrote: > I'm missing some room

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On Thu, Mar 02, 2017 at 05:56:25PM -0500, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list wrote: > I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos etc Nitpick: it is just #photos. ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org htt

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On Thu, 2017-03-02 at 22:05 +, Matthew Hodgson wrote: > We deliberately don't implement gravatar support as it's a bit of a > privacy issue, given it lets gravatar track and correlate users > across a wide range of services. I guess we could provide it as an > option though :) That is a nice p

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

gt; Carlos Soriano > > Original Message > Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs > about communication) > Local Time: March 2, 2017 11:05 PM > UTC Time: March 2, 2017 10:05 PM > From: matt...@matrix.org > To: Alberto

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

oh excellent, thanks! Best regards, Carlos Soriano Original Message Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication) Local Time: March 3, 2017 12:02 AM UTC Time: March 2, 2017 11:02 PM From: afra...@gnome.org To: Carlos Soriano

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

ssage Subject: Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication) Local Time: March 2, 2017 11:05 PM UTC Time: March 2, 2017 10:05 PM From: matt...@matrix.org To: Alberto Ruiz Carlos Soriano , Desktop Development List We deliberately don't implement gravat

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list wrote: > I'm missing some rooms though, like #nautilus or #gnome-photos etc. Are they > on the bridge and the search is having problems to find them or are they out > for some reason? The bridge is for a whole network, not per

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

We deliberately don't implement gravatar support as it's a bit of a privacy issue, given it lets gravatar track and correlate users across a wide range of services. I guess we could provide it as an option though :) -- Matthew Hodgson Matrix.org > On 2 Mar 2017, at 22:02, Alberto Ruiz wrote:

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

Yeah I just did, the web app went well. I was on the train while trying. This is really neat stuff, will gather a bunch of feedback. So far the lack of automatic gravatar support comes to mind. 2017-03-02 22:00 GMT+00:00 Sriram Ramkrishna : > > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:53 PM Alberto Ruiz wrote

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:53 PM Alberto Ruiz wrote: > Tried to register through the Riot mobile app... the register request > timed out. > > Try the web app version - http://riot.im/ sri > 2017-03-02 19:32 GMT+00:00 Matthew Hodgson : > > On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote: > > On 3 Feb

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

Tried to register through the Riot mobile app... the register request timed out. 2017-03-02 19:32 GMT+00:00 Matthew Hodgson : > On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote: > >> On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke >>> Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side? >>> >> >> Nothing bl

Re: irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 11:32 AM Matthew Hodgson wrote: > On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote: > >> On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke > >> Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side? > > > > Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up > > blocked on F

irc.gimp.org is now available via Matrix (was: Re: Thoughs about communication)

On 03/02/2017 15:57, Matthew Hodgson wrote: On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side? Nothing blocking at all; it's all on our side, which has ended up blocked on FOSDEM - we've had to prioritise a sprint to ship new releases for FOSDEM and

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Hi Matthew, everything well in FOSDEM? Hope so. Is there any plans or schedule for matrix bridge? Just curious El vie., 3 feb. 2017 a las 16:58, Matthew Hodgson () escribió: > > > On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke wrote: > > > > So we don't have to/can't choose channels that are bridged.

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> On 3 Feb 2017, at 13:00, Alexandre Franke wrote: > > So we don't have to/can't choose channels that are bridged. Not in a > whitelist fashion. We can however mark specific channels as private > (for those with sensitive discussions). > > Matthew, anything blocking the bridging on our side? N

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On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Carlos Soriano via desktop-devel-list wrote: > Should we go ahead then? Sri, let's go with #gnome and #engagement for now? > If the bridge works out well, we can move more channels to it soon. As Matthew said: > There may be some confusion here about the dynamics o

Re: Thoughs about communication

rks out well, we can move more channels to it soon. I believe only thing needed is Matthew to set it up in matrix.org and gimpe.net opers set it up the bridge right? Best regards, Carlos Soriano Original Message ---- Subject: Re: Thoughs about communication Local Time: January 27, 201

Re: Thoughs about communication

arlos Soriano Original Message Subject: Re: Thoughs about communication Local Time: January 27, 2017 7:03 PM UTC Time: January 27, 2017 6:03 PM From: s...@ramkrishna.me To: Allan Day Desktop Development List On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 8:55 AM Allan Day wrote: On Thu, Jan 26, 20

Re: Thoughs about communication

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 8:55 AM Allan Day wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna > wrote: > ... > > My two cents, and bear with me on my slight rant - I really hate the idea > of depending on a web app like riot. It's like admitting that we've lost > the whole application s

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On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 8:56 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: ... > My two cents, and bear with me on my slight rant - I really hate the idea > of depending on a web app like riot. It's like admitting that we've lost > the whole application space and that we're going browser. I know that is > not w

Re: Thoughs about communication

On 27/01/2017 16:07, Simon McVittie wrote: As an ex-Telepathy developer, it's interesting to see the focus swinging back towards bridges. One of the motivations for the design of Telepathy was that XMPP claimed to have the same multi-protocol advantages as Matrix, via bridges; but in practice (a

Re: Thoughs about communication

On 27/01/2017 14:56, Alexandre Franke wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Matthew Hodgson wrote: There may be some confusion here about the dynamics of Matrix bridging. In practice, when bridging to IRC, Matrix just acts as a big decentralised IRC bouncer. It connects on a per-network, not

Re: Thoughs about communication

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 at 15:52:46 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > It would be really awesome to have a GNOME Chat app based on Matrix. > Instead of implementing support for multiple protocols in the app, like > we did with Empathy, it would focus on doing one thing well -- Matrix, > both text and v

Re: Thoughs about communication

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Matthew Hodgson wrote: > There may be some confusion here about the dynamics of Matrix bridging. In > practice, when bridging to IRC, Matrix just acts as a big decentralised IRC > bouncer. It connects on a per-network, not a per-channel basis, and the > Matrix use

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On 27 January 2017 at 08:43, Matthew Hodgson wrote: > Meanwhile, we'd be well up for running an official gimpnet Matrix<->IRC > bridge on matrix.org; we'll get one set up next week assuming that sounds > good. I'm assuming that if we connect via IPv6 we don't even need a > dedicated I:line. A

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> On 27 Jan 2017, at 10:03, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > So for now, let's focus on having an interface to the #engagement and #gnome > channel and a #gnome channel on freenode. I will respect Carlos's wishes on > not having an interface on #newcomers until he feels it is ready to do that. >

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On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:07:13AM +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote: > Agreed. I thought one of the arguments in favour of keeping Telepathy > around was the support for some ???uncommon??? protocols that are not > really supported elsewhere though? [0] > > [snip] > > [0] One possible answer would may

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Hiya Carlos, On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:02 AM Carlos Soriano wrote: > Hey Sri, > > I want to see this happen too and I encouraged Alberto to start this > thread, he proposed the same as you, using #newcomers channel as one of the > precursors, since is one of the first channels for new people. >

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Hi Matthew! On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:43 AM Matthew Hodgson wrote: > On 26/01/2017 22:52, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > It would be really awesome to have a GNOME Chat app based on Matrix. > > Instead of implementing support for multiple protocols in the app, > > like we did with Empathy, it

Re: Thoughs about communication

On 26/01/2017 22:52, Michael Catanzaro wrote: It would be really awesome to have a GNOME Chat app based on Matrix. Instead of implementing support for multiple protocols in the app, like we did with Empathy, it would focus on doing one thing well -- Matrix, both text and video chat (OK, two thin

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Hey Sri, I want to see this happen too and I encouraged Alberto to start this thread, he proposed the same as you, using #newcomers channel as one of the precursors, since is one of the first channels for new people. However, I think #newcomers is not the best place to experiment, things are a

Re: Thoughs about communication

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > It would be really awesome to have a GNOME Chat app based on Matrix. It would indeed. > Instead of implementing support for multiple protocols in the app, like > we did with Empathy, it would focus on doing one thing well -- Matrix, >

Re: Thoughs about communication

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:52 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Thu, 2017-01-26 at 20:56 +, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:47 AM Allan Day > > wrote: > > > Attracting and retaining contributors has to be the most important > > > consideration. It's worth noting

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On Thu, 2017-01-26 at 20:56 +, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:47 AM Allan Day > wrote: > > Attracting and retaining contributors has to be the most important > > consideration. It's worth noting that IRC cuts in a few different > > directions here: on the one hand,

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On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:47 AM Allan Day wrote: > > Attracting and retaining contributors has to be the most important > consideration. It's worth noting that IRC cuts in a few different > directions here: on the one hand, IRC means there's no barrier between us > and all the existing Free Softw

Re: Thoughs about communication

Hello all, On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:40:43 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 23:45 +1100, George Barrett wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 08:37:30AM +, Alberto Fanjul Alonso > > wrote: > > > Hi, hackers > > > > > > Do anybody though about trying new services for communi

Re: Thoughs about communication

On 23/01/2017 08:05, philip.chime...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:16 AM Alexandre Franke mailto:afra...@gnome.org>> wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Michael Catanzaro mailto:mcatanz...@gnome.org>> wrote: The rest of your points are still valid, though. Sounds like they co

Re: Thoughs about communication

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 10:16 AM Alexandre Franke wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Michael Catanzaro > wrote: > > The rest of your points are still valid, though. Sounds like they could > > be resolved by improving the Matrix website (maybe needs a big "take me > > to chat" button). > >

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On 13/01/2017 08:37, Alberto Fanjul Alonso wrote: Hi, hackers Do anybody though about trying new services for communication? - signal https://whispersystems.org/ - telegram https://telegram.org/ - matrix.org http://matrix.org/ - gitter https://gitter.im/ I'm the project l

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On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 08:37 +, Alberto Fanjul Alonso wrote: > > Do anybody though about trying new services for communication?  > > - signal https://whispersystems.org/ > - telegram https://telegram.org/ > - matrix.org http://matrix.org/ > - gitter https://gitter.im/ Just to add to the list,

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On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > The rest of your points are still valid, though. Sounds like they could > be resolved by improving the Matrix website (maybe needs a big "take me > to chat" button). The matrix.org homepage has two "Try Matrix Now!" links, one in the men

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On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 16:59 +, philip.chime...@gmail.com wrote: > And the web client was really low quality. The web client is pretty good now. The rest of your points are still valid, though. Sounds like they could be resolved by improving the Matrix website (maybe needs a big "take me to ch

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On Fri, Jan 13, 2017, 07:47 Allan Day wrote: > I agree with pretty much everything you've written here, Emmanuele. Just > one comment... > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > ... > > >> pros/cons irc: > >> > >> pros: > >> > >> - is widespread > >> - integrated in gnome e

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I agree with pretty much everything you've written here, Emmanuele. Just one comment... On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: ... > >> pros/cons irc: > >> > >> pros: > >> > >> - is widespread > >> - integrated in gnome environment (bots, bugzilla) > > > > I would argue these t

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On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 23:45 +1100, George Barrett wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 08:37:30AM +, Alberto Fanjul Alonso > wrote: > > Hi, hackers > > > > Do anybody though about trying new services for communication? > > > > - signal https://whispersystems.org/ > > - telegram https://telegram.o

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Hi, At Igalia we're currently evaluating a switch from XMPP to Matrix. We're quite pleased with Matrix relative to both XMPP and IRC. Although many Matrix clients are not very great, we find the Riot web client is good and improving quickly; we have a dumb GTK+ 3 wrapper app for it that many of us

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Thanks ebassi. I mostly agree with your reply, but there were a few points I'd like to raise in response (not that it changes my argument, just hoping to make my concerns clear). On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 01:32:18PM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > Considering the state of Telepathy, this is not at a

Re: Thoughs about communication

Hi; On 13 January 2017 at 12:45, George Barrett wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 08:37:30AM +, Alberto Fanjul Alonso wrote: >> Hi, hackers >> >> Do anybody though about trying new services for communication? >> >> - signal https://whispersystems.org/ >> - telegram https://telegram.org/ >> - m

Re: Thoughs about communication

Original Message Subject: Re: Thoughs about communication Local Time: January 13, 2017 5:47 AM UTC Time: January 13, 2017 10:47 AM From: a...@gnome.org To: Alberto Fanjul Alonso desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Alberto Fanjul Alonso wrote: ... Do anybody though about trying

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On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 08:37:30AM +, Alberto Fanjul Alonso wrote: > Hi, hackers > > Do anybody though about trying new services for communication? > > - signal https://whispersystems.org/ > - telegram https://telegram.org/ > - matrix.org http://matrix.org/ > - gitter https://gitter.im/ None o

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Alberto Fanjul Alonso wrote: ... > Do anybody though about trying new services for communication? > > - signal https://whispersystems.org/ > - telegram https://telegram.org/ > - matrix.org http://matrix.org/ > - gitter https://gitter.im/ > - Rocket.Chat https://rocket.chat/ - Mattermost https