Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-26 Thread Chip Childers
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Folks since the liability of Release manager has been called out explicitly for the release I want to call out that I cannot take personal liability for a release and I am not sure why would anyone else

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-26 Thread John Kinsella
+1 well put. On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Folks since the liability of Release manager has been called out explicitly for the release I want to call out

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-26 Thread Abhinandan Prateek
+1 this is reasonable. On 26/02/14 8:14 pm, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Folks since the liability of Release manager has been called out explicitly for the release I want to call out that

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-26 Thread Chip Childers
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: I am still not convinced or comfortable with release manager's liability for release content. It seems we are going with practical approach but since legality has been called out the legal instrument

RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-25 Thread Animesh Chaturvedi
: Saturday, February 22, 2014 12:34 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Sebastien Goasguen run...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 21, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: -Original

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-24 Thread Hugo Trippaers
...@gnsa.us] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? Hi folks: I think this issue is resolved in the 4.3 branch. The default build system no longer seems to grab the mysql jar, and I've adjusted tomcat to load the mysql

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-24 Thread Nate Gordon
? Regards, Rayees -Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? Hi folks: I think this issue is resolved in the 4.3 branch. The default build

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-22 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On Feb 21, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: -Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:13 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? LEGAL - when I talk

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-22 Thread David Nalley
@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? LEGAL - when I talk about legal problems below I refer to liability incurred by individuals in the project, especially the release manager, [Animesh] Can you clarify 'especially the release manager' part? Release manager is just like any

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-22 Thread David Nalley
Hi folks: I think this issue is resolved in the 4.3 branch. The default build system no longer seems to grab the mysql jar, and I've adjusted tomcat to load the mysql jar from the system library. Commit 0c2ad0338e34f6117cecc24ec00c7746dd481465 should have the necessary changes. I did some quick

RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-22 Thread Rayees Namathponnan
: Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:59 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? Hi folks: I think this issue is resolved in the 4.3 branch. The default build system no longer seems to grab the mysql jar, and I've adjusted tomcat to load the mysql jar from the system library

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Francois Gaudreault fgaudrea...@cloudops.com wrote: I find a little ironic that the internal policies are a lot more restrictive than the Apache license itself :S Meanwhile, isn't CloudStack falling into the MySQL FOSS exception?

RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread Damoder Reddy
/ -Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:24 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? I will try to work on this a bit this evening, but others may be faster. --David On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread Daan Hoogland
FOSS seems to apply to us but the question is whether Apache recognises that. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Sebastien Goasguen run...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Francois Gaudreault fgaudrea...@cloudops.com wrote: I find a little ironic that the internal policies are

RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread Damoder Reddy
@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? For DB HA we have included a new class StaticStrategy.java which is having compile time dependency on mysql -connector-java. I will make change in pom, as provided scope dependency instead of compile time so that maven will not include in the bundle

RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread Damoder Reddy
@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? For DB HA we have included a new class StaticStrategy.java which is having compile time dependency on mysql -connector-java. I will make change in pom, as provided scope dependency instead of compile time so that maven will not include

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread Hugo Trippaers
[mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 6:24 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Animesh Chaturvedi Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? I have created a defect for this at: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-6152 I have put the patch in review board

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread David Nalley
@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Animesh Chaturvedi Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? I have created a defect for this at: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-6152 I have put the patch in review board at : https://reviews.apache.org/r/18353/ Please review the same and commit

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread David Nalley
OK - so hoping to inject some clarification to this discussion - maybe it will make more sense. Lets start with definitions, and I'll try and use caps when referring to this definitions. LEGAL - when I talk about legal problems below I refer to liability incurred by individuals in the project,

RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread Animesh Chaturvedi
-Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:23 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? OK - so hoping to inject some clarification to this discussion - maybe it will make more sense. Lets start

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread David Nalley
LEGAL - when I talk about legal problems below I refer to liability incurred by individuals in the project, especially the release manager, [Animesh] Can you clarify 'especially the release manager' part? Release manager is just like any other volunteer and does not have any special

RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-21 Thread Animesh Chaturvedi
-Original Message- From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 4:13 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? LEGAL - when I talk about legal problems below I refer to liability incurred by individuals in the project

[DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread David Nalley
Hi folks, I cringe to raise this issue. After 6 RCs I am sure we are all feeling a little bit of release vote fatigue. Especially Animesh. I apologize in advance; in all other respects I am ready to give a +1 to RC6. I've been playing with 4.3.0-rc6 for a couple of days now. I attempted to build

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Wido den Hollander
On 02/20/2014 02:37 PM, David Nalley wrote: Hi folks, I cringe to raise this issue. After 6 RCs I am sure we are all feeling a little bit of release vote fatigue. Especially Animesh. I apologize in advance; in all other respects I am ready to give a +1 to RC6. My apologies, I didn't find the

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Chip Childers
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:37:46AM -0500, David Nalley wrote: Hi folks, I cringe to raise this issue. After 6 RCs I am sure we are all feeling a little bit of release vote fatigue. Especially Animesh. I apologize in advance; in all other respects I am ready to give a +1 to RC6. I've been

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Chip Childers
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:37:46AM -0500, David Nalley wrote: Hi folks, I cringe to raise this issue. After 6 RCs I am sure we are all feeling a little bit of release vote fatigue. Especially Animesh. I apologize

RE: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Animesh Chaturvedi
@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:37:46AM -0500, David Nalley wrote: Hi folks, I cringe to raise this issue. After 6 RCs I am sure we are all feeling a little bit

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread David Nalley
volunteers Thanks Animesh -Original Message- From: Chip Childers [mailto:chipchild...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:13 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Nate Gordon
: Chip Childers [mailto:chipchild...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:13 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker? On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 08:37:46AM -0500

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Nate Gordon nate.gor...@appcore.com wrote: Will this cause issues with people running ACS from maven jetty (or any other maven operation that needs the db) if the connector isn't pulled in by the pom? I could see it being added to support that need. If they

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Chip Childers
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com wrote: Chip, David thanks for the detailed explanation, is one of you taking care of fixing this issue or we need to find other volunteers I'm sorry to say that I do not have the available cycles. $dayjob +

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Chip Childers
Real quick, because I don't know if I will be able to track this thread in detail starting tonight... Take this as input to the discussion that the whole community needs to have about the *potential* problem with the current situation. Legal documentation as well as application of the valid

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Francois Gaudreault
I may be wrong here, and far from being an expert at this, but isn't the MariaDB connector doing the same thing, but under a Lesser GPL license? Which would solve a lot of licensing issues (no need to put CloudStack entirely on GPL). FG On 2/20/2014, 5:10 PM, Chip Childers wrote: Real

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Francois Gaudreault fgaudrea...@cloudops.com wrote: I may be wrong here, and far from being an expert at this, but isn't the MariaDB connector doing the same thing, but under a Lesser GPL license? Which would solve a lot of licensing issues (no need to put

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Francois Gaudreault
I find a little ironic that the internal policies are a lot more restrictive than the Apache license itself :S Meanwhile, isn't CloudStack falling into the MySQL FOSS exception? http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/licensing/foss-exception/ Francois On 2/20/2014, 9:20 PM, David Nalley wrote:

Re: [DISCUSS] Policy blocker?

2014-02-20 Thread Sebastien Goasguen
On Feb 20, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Chip Childers chipchild...@apache.org wrote: Real quick, because I don't know if I will be able to track this thread in detail starting tonight... Take this as input to the discussion that the whole community needs to have about the *potential* problem with the