Improving (?) the RequestGenerator

2003-07-18 Thread Guido Casper
block besides the HTMLGenerator. But it doesn't really make sense to have 2 RequestGenerators. Hope this will be useful for others as well. Guido Guido Casper - SN AG, Open Source Competence Center Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87

Re: Improving (?) the RequestGenerator

2003-07-18 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Guido Casper wrote: I want to extend RequestGenerator so that request parameters which names start with html: are parsed (very much like it already parses request parameters which names start with xml: see: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-devm

Re: Improving (?) the RequestGenerator

2003-07-18 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Besided, we have ready (uncommitted since it seemed to me not that generally useful) an HTML transformer, getting content coming from a generator as HTML excaped (lt;htmlgt;) and converting it to XHTML using Tidy: we are using it for HTML taken

Re: [RT] Webdavapps with Cocoon

2003-07-26 Thread Guido Casper
if the Cocoon community maintains the current growth rate. Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D-33100 Paderborn http://www.s-und-n.de -

Re: [RT] Webdavapps with Cocoon

2003-07-28 Thread Guido Casper
a WebDAV enabled editor. Tools like Webdrive http://www.southrivertech.com/products/webdrive/index.html allow you to mount WebDAV as disk drive. AFAIK WinXP does this natively (please somebody correct me if I'm wrong). Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG

Re: [RT] Webdavapps with Cocoon

2003-07-28 Thread Guido Casper
be possible (and more maintainable in the long run?) to build a webdavapp in a mostly declarative fashion. Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [VOTE] Commit access for Guido Casper

2003-07-30 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: I want to propose Guido Casper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as a new Cocoon committer. Thanks Gianugo, I'm really honoured. I'm extremely proud of being part of this great community (even without having commit access), where I consider many of the committers real genius (coding

WebDAV maturity (was Re: [VOTE] Commit access for Guido Casper)

2003-07-31 Thread Guido Casper
Stephan Michels wrote: I should mention that Stefan Michels provided an early draft in - I think it Stephan was more than 1,5 years ago but unfortunately (IMO) decided to focus on the SlideSource. Hmm, yes, perhaps a bad idea ;-) I got too few response on that. My experience with WebDAV

Re: Promotion of [XPath]TraversableGenerators to main trunk

2003-08-01 Thread Guido Casper
Stephan Michels wrote: At least, we should agree on one name SourceHierarchyGenerator - http://apache.org/cocoon/hierachy/1.0 SourceCollectionGenerator - http://apache.org/cocoon/collection/1.0 SourceDirectoryGenerator - http://apache.org/cocoon/directory/1.0 or DirectoryGenerator.

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/webdav/samples/davmap sitemap.xmap

2003-08-14 Thread Guido Casper
gcasper 2003/08/07 12:50:04 Modified:src/blocks/webdav/samples/davmap sitemap.xmap Log: my first commit :-) applying my own patch #21945 Actually I'm not sure wether this use of map:resources is intended behaviour. Having matchers in resources is fine, but why is the repo/

Re: SourcepropWritingTransformer

2003-08-26 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: I'm about to tackle WebDAV properties handling, and I was happy to find that Guido has already provided something. :-) I am however a bit uncomfortable with the current implementation and I wanted to see if it's just me not having the correct approach. I'm

Re: SourcepropWritingTransformer

2003-08-27 Thread Guido Casper
Guido Casper wrote: Gianugo Rabellino wrote: This is, however, the case of the current SourceProperty, a contract that, as of now, we might not want to break. I think we have to. For example in: public SourceProperty(Element property) { this.namespace = property.getNamespaceURI

Re: SourcepropWritingTransformer

2003-08-27 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Maybe having getValueAsString() not skipping non-text elements (although I might not understand what the rationale for this behaviour is) would be enough to support sources without XMLized properties. Yes, probably. We'll need to discuss

Re: SourcepropWritingTransformer

2003-08-27 Thread Guido Casper
Stephan Michels wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Guido Casper wrote: I'm however cautious about breaking SourceDescriptionGenerator, more so that I found that the slide block isn't marked unstable (Is it too late to change this?). I guess we should ask Stephen about

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/webdav/samples/dasl sitemap.xmap test-dasl.xml

2003-08-28 Thread Guido Casper
Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le Jeudi, 28 aoû 2003, à 10:11 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : A first cut at a DASL query component. Needs tweaking, but it's basically working. Just curious, which DASL-enabled server are you using? (I tested the DASL support in

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/webdav/samples/dasl sitemap.xmap test-dasl.xml

2003-08-28 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le Jeudi, 28 aoû 2003, à 10:11 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : A first cut at a DASL query component. Needs tweaking, but it's basically working. Just curious, which DASL-enabled server are you using? (I

Re: WebDAV proxy available

2003-09-01 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: match type=request-method pattern=PUT act type=syncmetadatadb generate type=webdavproxy parameter name=url value=http://whatever/dav/{../1}/ /generate serialize/ /act /match I don't

Regression tests (was Re: Announcing 2.1.1)

2003-09-10 Thread Guido Casper
Christopher Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately I think 2.1.1 contains a Rhino regression I temporarily introduced while trying to fix bug 22513 which will cause any scripts with nested functions to fail. This includes some of the flow samples like PetStore and JXForms. IMO we are

Re: on better release and version management

2003-09-10 Thread Guido Casper
Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Given the breakage in the Rhino stuff, and the lack of serious testing on the 2.1.1 release, I would refrain from announcing 2.1.1 How about putting a hotfix on the dist site like Tomcat is doing http://nagoya.apache.org/mirror/jakarta/tomcat-4/binaries/

Anteater tests (was Re: on better release and version management)

2003-09-11 Thread Guido Casper
Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le Mercredi, 10 sep 2003, à 11:26 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Poetz a écrit ...Would it be enough to extend our Anteater scripts (see Guido's mail) and add Anteater to our codebase and include it automatically to our build system? ... certainly a

Re: [Vote] Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen as Cocoon committers

2003-09-11 Thread Guido Casper
David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose Antonio Gallardo and Tony Collen to be Cocoon committers. +1 for both Guido

Re: Portal dependency on JDOM is overrated?

2003-09-14 Thread Guido Casper
Joerg Heinicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carsten is in holidays for three weeks, but maybe one of the other SN people knows (Matthew, Guido)?? Was it planned to replace W3C DOM with JDOM or the other way around? I'm not familiar with the portal code and don't know of any planned refactoring.

Re: [Vote] Releasing next version

2003-09-24 Thread Guido Casper
Carsten Ziegeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please cast your vote for either: a) Make a 2.1.2 release on October, 1th +1 Guido

Re: Unit testing pipelines?

2003-09-29 Thread Guido Casper
Steve K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido -- What exactly led you to propose HTTPUnit but prevents you from using Anteater for the very same purpose (just curious)? I'm sorry if I gave that impression. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe HTTPUnit and the anteater scripts both test in a

Re: [RT] Source extensions

2003-10-09 Thread Guido Casper
Hi Unico, first let me say thank you for all you efforts in this area. I'm very excited about that (I start wondering ...). I'm sorry I cannot help out more currently. Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This is to let you know I've just submitted a patch [1] to cocoon bugzilla for

Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Cocoon/Forrest Committer [was: Re: [VOTE] Unico Hommes as a Forrest Committer]

2003-10-17 Thread Guido Casper
Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Unico Hommes has been helping a lot on the Cocoon and Forrest mailing lists, and I can see from that his knowledge of Cocoon is well over par. Furthermore, he has made this locationmap that he will concievable want

repository block (was Re: [RT] Source extensions)

2003-10-21 Thread Guido Casper
. This would remove the dependency of the webdav block and the scratchpad block on the slide block but make them all (including Linotype) depend on the repository block. Guido Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the things I've

Re: repository block (was Re: [RT] Source extensions)

2003-10-21 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido Casper wrote: I would like to make the following changes to the 2.1 repo and will go ahead if noone objects (as soon I find some time): -Creating a repository block and moving there all source interfaces not part of excalibur's sourceresolve

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1 gump.xml

2003-10-22 Thread Guido Casper
BTW, does somebody know why the slide samples are not working? (and they are not working since quite some time now in case somebody wants to ask :-) Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gcasper 2003/10/22 12:28:08 Modified:.gump.xml Log: Marked the slide block unstable

Re: ModifiableTraversableSource

2003-10-23 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I may have spoken too soon. I am looking into moving o.a.cocoon.component.source.(Modifiable)TraversableSource into deprecated area. In order to accomplish this I need to migrate SlideSource towards that as well. And SourceDescriptionGenerator as

Re: repository block (was Re: [RT] Source extensions)

2003-10-23 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Adding a setSourceProperty() method to the SourceInspector interface Already have it on my local copy. :-) Cool! So I leave this to you :-) Actually I think it's better to define a subinterface named SourceDescriptor that defines these methods. This

Re: repository block (was Re: [RT] Source extensions)

2003-10-24 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A related change I need to make is described here: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23699 this will not only improve performance of querying for a specific property but is prerequisite for setting properties via the

Re: repository block (was Re: [RT] Source extensions)

2003-10-24 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido Casper wrote: No, I don't mean properties describing the access permissions but rather the properties affected by access permissions. You might be allowed to access a particular property on one source but not on another. Aha, now I get the acl

Re: repository block (was Re: [RT] Source extensions)

2003-10-24 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I think the confusion is due to the method name which may be misleading in this case: getExposedPropertyTypes(). A better name would be getHandledPropertyTypes() or boolean handlesProperty(String ns, String name). It's meaning is confined to

Re: InspectableSource

2003-10-27 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking into extending SourcePropsWritingTransformer to also be able to remove SourceProperties. One thing I need to decide is how to access SourceProperties now that we have SourceDescriptor interface. From SourceDescriptionGenerator I can see that

Re: Fooling around with cocoon davmap

2003-11-01 Thread Guido Casper
Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my doco wandering, I tried to mount the cocoon DAV repository (found in the 'davmap' directory of the webdav block) under macosx as a disk, but fails. I tried with mod_dav on httpd 2.0.47 and it works. Further inspection (with the good old

Re: [bug?] exception thrown in sendPage() skips the proper error handler

2003-11-01 Thread Guido Casper
See also: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10631375302r=1w=2 Guido Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still having fun with webdavapps and found something that looks suspiciously close to a bug in the way the flow and sitemap work together in case of an exception. In the

Re: Fooling around with cocoon davmap

2003-11-01 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido Casper wrote: snip/ I think this could be changed. However if we want the davmap to be a widely interoperable WebDAV server, I think we should have something like a compatibility test suite - similar to Slide's TProcessor or litmus http

Re: [Vote] empty HTTP responses [was Re: Cannot easily set http status]

2003-11-06 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes wrote: I am +1 on the idea but would favor naming the method sendStatus instead, and also have a way to set the status on the environment from the flow without sending an empty response: - cocoon.sendStatus(status) - cocoon.sendStatus(status, message) -

Re: [Vote] empty HTTP responses [was Re: Cannot easily set http status]

2003-11-07 Thread Guido Casper
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On 7 Nov 2003, at 13:52, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Thursday, Nov 6, 2003, at 14:39 Europe/Rome, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: I agree with comments in this other thread that let's not introduce nested components in map:call/. Instead, if needed,

sitemap design (was: Re: [Vote] empty HTTP responses)

2003-11-08 Thread Guido Casper
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On 7 Nov 2003, at 17:22, Guido Casper wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On 7 Nov 2003, at 13:52, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Thursday, Nov 6, 2003, at 14:39 Europe/Rome, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: I agree with comments in this other thread

Re: [VOTE] Tim Larson as Cocoon committer

2003-11-24 Thread Guido Casper
Bruno Dumon wrote: Tim has been hanging around on our mailing lists for quite some time, and is actively contributing, both in discussions and code. Becoming a committer can only motivate him to keep up the good work. +1 from me. +1 Guido

Re: ACD2003 presentations are online!

2003-11-25 Thread Guido Casper
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Reinhard Poetz dijo: On 18/11 the 'Austrian Cocoon Day' took place (http://cocoon.ifs.tuwien.ac.at). Most of the speakers agreed to publish their presentations as PDFs. You can either find them at the web site of our event or at http://cocoon.apache.org/mirror.cgi

Re: [RT] Converging the repository concept in cocoon

2003-12-01 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I think a much better approach would be to come up with a Repository.java interface and a few implementations that I can choose when I install cocoon. This implementation would also implement Source.java and provide its functionality thru

Re: [RT] Converging the repository concept in cocoon

2003-12-02 Thread Guido Casper
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On 1 Dec 2003, at 10:35, Guido Casper wrote: The challenge is to find the right balance. That's *always* tough. On anything. ;-) Very true. This reminds me (again) of Rickard Öberg's second principle for making software frameworks: If you make a decision, be sure

extending FOM? (was on cocoon-users: Re: Parsing Source into DOM in Flow)

2003-12-07 Thread Guido Casper
Did anyone else also feel the need to have something like processPipelineTo but getting a DOM or just an InputStream instead of just streaming it directly to another OutputStream? Guido Geoff Howard wrote: Upayavira wrote: Maybe my last question was too specific. I'm trying to parse the

Re: extending FOM? (was on cocoon-users: Re: Parsing Source into DOM in Flow)

2003-12-08 Thread Guido Casper
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Did anyone else also feel the need to have something like processPipelineTo but getting a DOM or just an InputStream instead of just streaming it directly to another OutputStream? Rather than extending the FOM, what we need is a helper JS library

Re: extending FOM?

2003-12-08 Thread Guido Casper
of serialization/parsing which does not take place with Sylvain's approach. I think I'm seeking for the best of both, which might only be possible with an extra FOM method?. Guido Guido Casper wrote: Did anyone else also feel the need to have something like processPipelineTo but getting a DOM

Re: processPipelineTo[Stream|SAX|DOM]

2003-12-12 Thread Guido Casper
Sylvain Wallez wrote: One more new feature ;-) Following the thread extending FOM about extending processPipelineTo to SAX and DOM, I wrote a utility class that handles all this. This class is totally decorrelated from the FOM and the cocoon object and provides the processToDOM(),

Re: [Vote] Daniel Fagerstrom as Cocoon committer

2003-12-15 Thread Guido Casper
Reinhard Poetz wrote: I want to propose Daniel Fagerstrom as new Cocoon committer. +1 Guido

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/webdav/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/source/impl WebDAVSource.java

2003-12-18 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gcasper 2003/12/17 05:42:14 Modified: src/blocks/webdav/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/source/impl WebDAVSource.java Log: Interoperability with mod_dav Why so? I think that the cleanest way is to solve this issue where it

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/webdav/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/source/impl WebDAVSource.java

2003-12-19 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Gianugo Rabellino wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gcasper 2003/12/17 05:42:14 Modified: src/blocks/webdav/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/source/impl WebDAVSource.java Log: Interoperability with mod_dav Why so? I think

Re: [cforms] binding tutorial

2003-12-31 Thread Guido Casper
Marc Portier wrote: all, I'm committing (just did) a new set of samples that should grow out to become a sort of a step by step tutorial on Woody's Binding features. Basically I started to loose the oversight myself, and wanted to create some testbed that only focusses on distinct binding

Re: Releasing components in flowscripts

2004-01-09 Thread Guido Casper
Reinhard Poetz wrote: From: Marc Portier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher Oliver wrote: You can release components after sendPage(). It doesn't block. How about adding an additional function parameter to sendPageAndWait()? In the supplied function you can provide code that will

Re: [RT] Woody/Cocoon Forms binding w/Xindice

2004-01-12 Thread Guido Casper
Upayavira wrote: Marc Portier wrote: now, in this case backendX is cocoon (modifiable) sources, so I would guess some saveToSource/loadFromSource can be made quite generic and might very well be candidates for natural extension of the woody2.js Yup. You've confirmed what I suspected. What I

Re: [RT] Woody/Cocoon Forms binding w/Xindice

2004-01-13 Thread Guido Casper
Upayavira wrote: Upayavira wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Upayavira wrote: Marc Portier wrote: now, in this case backendX is cocoon (modifiable) sources, so I would guess some saveToSource/loadFromSource can be made quite generic and might very well be candidates for natural extension

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/xmldb/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/source/impl

2004-01-13 Thread Guido Casper
Ugo Cei wrote: It looks like we might have a problem. I copied the loadDocument function from woody's binding_example.js and passed it an xmldb: URI. This is the exception I get when I call var is = new Packages.org.xml.sax.InputSource(source.getInputStream());

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/xmldb/java/org/apache/cocoon/components/source/impl

2004-01-13 Thread Guido Casper
Ugo Cei wrote: Guido Casper wrote: I have no idea what the reason might be but maybe you want to try: org.apache.cocoon.components.source.SourceUtil.toDOM(source); I already found a workaround: var domBuilder = new Packages.org.apache.cocoon.xml.dom.DOMBuilder(); source.toSAX(domBuilder

Re: slide block

2004-01-14 Thread Guido Casper
Unico Hommes wrote: Now there is some code there that has become obsolete. And I am wondering what should be done with it. ModifiableTraversableSource and TraversableSource both have been deprecated. SourceDescriptionGenerator has been superseeded by TraversableSourceDescriptionGenerator.

Re: [RT] Woody/Cocoon Forms binding w/Xindice

2004-01-14 Thread Guido Casper
Marc Portier wrote: also having the saveDocument and loadDocument you propose here _outside_ the woody specific flowscript seems to make them more widely re-useable in different areas! with those in place I think my previous idea to 'extend' the Form object from woody2.js is a nice (almost

Re: Future of XSP and ESQL [was Re: An idea - transformer logicsheets.]

2004-02-02 Thread Guido Casper
Torsten Curdt wrote: My idea is to come up with an unified syntax. Taking the best out of the SQLTransformer and the ESQL logicsheet. Then come up with an ESQL transformer and a logicsheet using the same code base (as much as possible). For an easy migration we could provide an ant task that

Re: [IMP] Code Freeze for 2.1.x

2004-02-07 Thread Guido Casper
Joerg Heinicke wrote: o 25285 - Processing pipelines from within flowscript and get various results objects What about cocoon.processPipelineTo()? I thought it already exists. But anyway, it is an enhancement. This is covered by PipelineUtil and it has been suggested to even deprecate

Re: [CForms] - No @id generation for wd:output

2004-02-19 Thread Guido Casper
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Bruno Dumon wrote: I don't think so. An attribute called id has no special meaning in XML. See http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204/#id : Validity constraint: ID Values of type ID MUST match the Name production. A name MUST NOT appear more than once in an XML

Re: [Vote] Move portlet environment into portal block

2004-02-19 Thread Guido Casper
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: In the scratchpad is the portlet environment which allows Cocoon to act as a JSR-168 producer. The portal block contains the JSR-168 consumer implementation. I propose to move the producer part from the scratchpad into the block combining both and maintaining everything

Re: disabling widgets

2004-02-25 Thread Guido Casper
Jeremy Quinn wrote: It is with much joy that I find @readonly is ignored by both Mozilla and Safari (hoo-bloody-ray!! ) Try @disabled instead. Guido

Re: [RT] Cocoon Input Model

2004-02-26 Thread Guido Casper
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: So a pipeline for input handling could look like: g - t* - store - act - [select] - g - t* - s. I'm still not convinced by this symmetry thing :-) The requirements for inbound data flow seems to be too different from those of outbound data flow. For outbound data flow

Re: [RT] Cocoon Input Model

2004-02-27 Thread Guido Casper
Alan wrote: * Guido Casper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-26 20:41]: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: So a pipeline for input handling could look like: g - t* - store - act - [select] - g - t* - s. I'm still not convinced by this symmetry thing :-) The requirements for inbound data flow seems to be too

Re: [RT] Cocoon Input Model

2004-02-27 Thread Guido Casper
Alan wrote: What do you mean by strongly typed? Are we discussiong form posts here? Yes, form posts being the use case at hand, but there are other ways input may be provided. Quoting Daniel: Besides using request parameters and structured request parameters as user input. XML is used for

Re: [RT] Cocoon Input Model

2004-02-29 Thread Guido Casper
Steve Krulewitz wrote: I agree that more sophisticated input handing would make general web applications much easier to write in Cocoon... here are some more random thoughts on the subject: Input can come from many sources: - http query string - http post stream - http cookie - user session

Re: workflow block commited

2004-02-29 Thread Guido Casper
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote: hi, the lenya community has developed a lightweight workflow that we thought would make more sense as a cocoon block, especially given that other cms built on cocoon have shown interest in using it (hi arje :). i split out the generic part and made it into a

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-06 Thread Guido Casper
that anymore ... Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D-33100 Paderborn http://www.s-und-n.de

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-06 Thread Guido Casper
(the user actively triggers the workflow). Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D-33100 Paderborn http://www.s-und-n.de -

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-07 Thread Guido Casper
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If FSM work bad for flow, why would they work any better for workflow? After thinking again about ways to use continuations with workflow I came to the conclusion this might well be possible. But it looks awkward to me

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-07 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Interesting. would you like to share that with us? I think it would be avery good exercise to see the two approaches one beside the other. I don't have interest in generating my complete workflow logic out of a UML diagramm or a XML file. I

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-07 Thread Guido Casper
Guido Casper wrote: The major drawback currently is that my AbstractState has to know about all the other states (to prevent each State class having to know about all the other states) and (when adding NewState) has to be updated with: allowEnterNewState(doc, user) {return false;} I have

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-08 Thread Guido Casper
Gianugo Rabellino wrote: Guido Casper wrote: Gianugo Rabellino wrote: workflow-manager state name=tobeprocessed class=TobeprocessedState entering-action class=TobeprocessedAction/ /state state name=beingprocessed class=BeingprocessedState entering-action class=BeingprocessedAction

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-08 Thread Guido Casper
simple to use from Cocoon for simple use cases, I would immediately use that. Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D-33100 Paderborn http

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-08 Thread Guido Casper
. Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D-33100 Paderborn http://www.s-und-n.de -

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-08 Thread Guido Casper
Hunsberger, Peter wrote: Guido Casper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hunsberger, Peter wrote: For the end user I believe you always have to have modeling tools for building work flow, the internal implementation should be completely transparent; the first time I wrote GUI modeling tools

Re: [CocoonForms] END of code freeze

2004-03-09 Thread Guido Casper
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Reinhard Pötz wrote: ... Sorry for this. I thought there was no need for the old block but if somebody needs it we can revert the removal. Oh yes, *please*, *please*, because this instantly breaks all applications that use woody and the latest

Re: [CocoonForms] END of code freeze

2004-03-09 Thread Guido Casper
Torsten Curdt wrote: Shouldn't one be able to keep the old block and use 2.1.5-dev? ...as an interim solution? Yes, I can live with that. But I think it's not a good sign for our users. A user should have a chance to migrate while using a released version. Guido

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-09 Thread Guido Casper
Hunsberger, Peter wrote: A good implementation of work flow handling for Cocoon could be the most important piece of missing capability that can be added. For the most part good work flow engines are expensive proprietary pieces of software. If a generalized, open source, document handling

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-09 Thread Guido Casper
Hunsberger, Peter wrote: You can call it whatever you want but a state in a FSM and a continuation in a script are exactly the same thing, they need to contain the same amount of data to be able to resort the execution. The problems in replicating one across containers will be the same

Re: form framework clean up

2004-03-09 Thread Guido Casper
Torsten Curdt wrote: Since we are currently in the middle of cleaning up and focussing on *the* one form framework I like to propose and get rid of precept. *snief* I guess it's more or less dead code now and it's an unecessary choice we should get rid of IMO. I doubt anyone is using it so we

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-09 Thread Guido Casper
:-) Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D-33100 Paderborn http://www.s-und-n.de -

Re: Responses to workflow experiences

2004-03-13 Thread Guido Casper
a major point, it gives you a very flexible approach while allowing you to continue working with what you are already familiar with. WDYT? Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-13 Thread Guido Casper
Hunsberger, Peter wrote: Guido Casper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hunsberger, Peter wrote: However, on the Cocoon side it's not the GUI I'm worried about, it's the underlying engine. There may still be value in one of the other projects, but I'm personally after very tight integration

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-15 Thread Guido Casper
Hunsberger, Peter wrote: Guido Casper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hunsberger, Peter wrote: Guido Casper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hunsberger, Peter wrote: However, on the Cocoon side it's not the GUI I'm worried about, it's the underlying engine. There may still be value in one

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-15 Thread Guido Casper
this would give us probably the remaining 20% for those who need the whole thing? /snip/ Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D-33100

Re: Experience with workflow at Hippo Webworks

2004-03-16 Thread Guido Casper
, having done so, be prepared to throw it out Yes. I take that as a precondition for any scratchpad code (if not for any code within the Cocoon CVS). However there doesn't seem to be much interest in that code anyway. So I rather wait for other suggestions. Guido -- Guido Casper

Re: Response to workflow

2004-03-16 Thread Guido Casper
of a standard with which a large percentage (definitely more than 80%. Having to resort to another solution in one of four situations is not acceptable) of use cases can be implemented. -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source

Re: Response to workflow

2004-03-16 Thread Guido Casper
going forever ;-) The existing code base might not satisfy everybody, but at least it's something concrete to start with, even if it will be totally modified resp. refactored in the end. Michi -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source

Re: Response to workflow

2004-03-17 Thread Guido Casper
returns from vacation? :-) Michi -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source Tel.: +49-5251-1581-87 Klingenderstr. 5mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D-33100 Paderborn http://www.s-und-n.de -

Repository (was Re: Linotype)

2004-04-01 Thread Guido Casper
Rolf Kulemann wrote: On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 16:31, Guido Casper wrote: Concerning the repository ... I just committed another repository interface :-) that tries to be a best effort in consolidating all the different approaches and accommodating all concerns in a flexible way (by having opional

Re: Repository

2004-04-02 Thread Guido Casper
Rolf Kulemann wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 11:40, Guido Casper wrote: -link management What do u mean? I thin forrests LinkRewriter is doing a fine job. Please explain your idea in more detail. I'm thinking of managing linking information within metadata/properties in a bidirectional way so

Re: Repository

2004-04-02 Thread Guido Casper
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Moving FlowXXXModules out of scratchpad

2004-04-03 Thread Guido Casper
Is everybody fine with moving FlowAttributeModule and FlowContinuationModule from scratchpad to core? Is a vote needed? I guess no. If noone objects I go ahead tomorrow. Guido -- Guido Casper - SN AG, Competence Center Open Source

Re: Problem creating (WebDAV) resources with new repository interface

2004-04-05 Thread Guido Casper
Rolf Kulemann wrote: On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 17:00, Guido Casper wrote: Rolf Kulemann wrote: Hello (Guido), I have done a small js file to test the functionalities of the new WebDAVRepository[1] using the NEW Repository[2] interface. I encountered a problem creating new reosurces. It does

Re: [PROP] Repository interface

2004-04-05 Thread Guido Casper
is version controlled and if that's the case undo the move (to keep the old version history) and return false. I don't know the details of how to check wether a resource is under version control right now (would have to check the DeltaV spec). Guido -- Guido Casper

Re: [PROP] Repository interface

2004-04-05 Thread Guido Casper
Rolf Kulemann wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 13:38, Guido Casper wrote: Rolf Kulemann wrote: I just changed the code a little bit. However it's now a little hacky and needs completion as after the copy you should check wether the destination is version controlled and if that's the case undo

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