Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-21 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
Oh! right, I missed out observing! that IRC logs are hosted on a third party site and relying on them would be unacceptable. I also see why http://geronimo.apache.org/get-involved.html pages mentions discussions on IRC being informal :-) . Things are clear straight now. Thanks Jacek for bringing

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-20 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
On Feb 16, 2008 8:30 AM, Jacek Laskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2008 1:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GEP Task https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMODEVTOOLS-278 is created for this. We can use this, as well as IRC chats dev-list mails, for

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-20 Thread Kevan Miller
On Feb 20, 2008, at 5:31 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 16, 2008 8:30 AM, Jacek Laskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2008 1:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GEP Task https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ GERONIMODEVTOOLS-278 is created for this. We can use

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-20 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
Alright there is no option left now I guess ;-) -- Thanks, Shiva On Feb 20, 2008 6:34 PM, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 20, 2008, at 5:31 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 16, 2008 8:30 AM, Jacek Laskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2008 1:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-20 Thread Jacek Laskowski
On Feb 20, 2008 5:35 AM, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright there is no option left now I guess ;-) No and thanks for your understanding. I'm pretty certain people would appreciate it (I will certainly). Jacek -- Jacek Laskowski http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-20 Thread David Jencks
I know kevan already responded but this is important... so I'm saying the same thing again... On Feb 20, 2008, at 2:31 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 16, 2008 8:30 AM, Jacek Laskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2008 1:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GEP

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-15 Thread YunFeng Ma
I'm interested in 2) Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP): a) Model framework for Geronimo deployment plans and I'd like to contribute to this. Shiva, let's work together for this. :-) --YunFeng Shiva Kumar H R wrote: I can immediately remember 3 prior discussions in reference to this: i)

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-15 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
Wow! Thanks so much YunFeng! for joining. GEP Task https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMODEVTOOLS-278 is created for this. We can use this, as well as IRC chats dev-list mails, for collaborating! Thanks again, Shiva On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:24 PM, YunFeng Ma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-15 Thread Jacek Laskowski
On Feb 15, 2008 1:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GEP Task https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMODEVTOOLS-278 is created for this. We can use this, as well as IRC chats dev-list mails, for collaborating! Please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] for any important stuff around it.

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-14 Thread Jarek Gawor
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet: EE 6 -- we should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other projects begin implementing EE 6 capabilities, I expect that we'll be rolling them into Geronimo. There are

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-13 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
On Feb 13, 2008 4:57 AM, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:36 PM, David Jencks wrote: On Feb 12, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet: EE 6 -- we should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other projects

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-13 Thread Kevan Miller
On Feb 13, 2008, at 12:50 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 13, 2008 1:56 AM, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet: EE 6 -- we should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other projects begin implementing EE 6 capabilities, I expect that we'll

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
Nice to see your priorities :) more so config.ser-xml OSGI ones. On Feb 11, 2008 9:50 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replace as much as possible of the gbean infrastructure with xbean-reflect Remove the necessity of specifying gbean metadata in java code (GBeanInfo) Replace

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
On Feb 11, 2008 10:12 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3a is implemented in 2.1 Is there an admin console page for this already implemented? yes, the bottom

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread David Jencks
On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote: Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 11, 2008 10:12 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Joe Bohn
Jarek Gawor wrote: I like this list but I think we should first focus on features that directly impact the end-user experience with G. For example, considering the first three items on this list, the 3rd one has the most impact on the end user and therefore in my mind it should have higher

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread David Jencks
I think dain may have something up his sleeve in xbean-reflect that will make points 1-3 much easier if we start with 1. Time will tell. thanks david jencks On Feb 11, 2008, at 9:55 PM, Jarek Gawor wrote: I like this list but I think we should first focus on features that directly impact

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Kevan Miller
On Feb 12, 2008, at 3:36 PM, David Jencks wrote: On Feb 12, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet: EE 6 -- we should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other projects begin implementing EE 6 capabilities, I expect that we'll be rolling

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread David Jencks
On Feb 12, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet: EE 6 -- we should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other projects begin implementing EE 6 capabilities, I expect that we'll be rolling them into Geronimo. There are also new specifications

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread David Jencks
On Feb 12, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bohn wrote: Kevan Miller wrote: Server assembly -- We could look at simplifying this process. You currently must have application plugins in order to include application capabilities in a server assembly. Why not export based on one or more installed

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
On Feb 13, 2008 1:56 AM, Kevan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet: EE 6 -- we should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other projects begin implementing EE 6 capabilities, I expect that we'll be rolling them into Geronimo. There are also new

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Joe Bohn
Kevan Miller wrote: Server assembly -- We could look at simplifying this process. You currently must have application plugins in order to include application capabilities in a server assembly. Why not export based on one or more installed applications? Also, in addition to our current,

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Kevan Miller
Things that I haven't seen mentioned, yet: EE 6 -- we should be seeing an initial EE 6 spec, soon. As other projects begin implementing EE 6 capabilities, I expect that we'll be rolling them into Geronimo. There are also new specifications which we may need to implement ourselves. I know

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Joe Bohn
David Jencks wrote: On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote: Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 11, 2008 10:12 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Hernan Cunico
David Jencks wrote: On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote: Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 11, 2008 10:12 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Jason Warner
I like the idea of a tree. The headings for each category are descriptive enough that I don't think we'd lose usability by hiding what's under each category until needed. On Feb 12, 2008 11:35 AM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 12, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Hernan Cunico wrote:

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Donald Woods
I'm hoping it's just configuration options that need to be exposed in Geronimo. For DataSources, it's just an updated TranQL code that supports db clusters and connection failovers. For ActiveMQ, no idea, as I haven't played around with it yet. Just throwing out thoughts -Donald

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-12 Thread Hernan Cunico
Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 11, 2008 10:12 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3a is

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Jason Warner
On Feb 11, 2008 11:35 AM, Jarek Gawor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some of my thoughts: 1) Tests and testing. We need to write more tests especially functional tests as a group. I can list a number of cases where simple changes caused things to break but we didn't find out about it

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread David Jencks
On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3a is implemented in 2.1 Is there an admin console page for this already implemented? yes, the bottom of the plugin page. Also there's a gshell command for it david jencks

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Gianny Damour
On 12/02/2008, at 3:05 AM, Donald Woods wrote: Gianny Damour wrote: On 09/02/2008, at 12:43 AM, Donald Woods wrote: - Continued work on enable full clustering of all components Hello Donald, Could you please list the top two components you would like to see clustered? JMS and DataSource

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread David Jencks
Replace as much as possible of the gbean infrastructure with xbean- reflect Remove the necessity of specifying gbean metadata in java code (GBeanInfo) Replace config.ser with xml Improve maven integration and use maven components and concepts where possible. For instance, the

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Donald Woods
Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3a is implemented in 2.1 Is there an admin console page for this already implemented? Despite my liking for xmlbeans and its unique strengths I think a very

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Donald Woods
Excellent list, especially getting rid of the config.ser files. -Donald David Jencks wrote: Replace as much as possible of the gbean infrastructure with xbean-reflect Remove the necessity of specifying gbean metadata in java code (GBeanInfo) Replace config.ser with xml Improve maven

[Fwd: Re: Geronimo in year 2008]

2008-02-11 Thread Donald Woods
In-line below. Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3a is implemented in 2.1 Is there an admin console page for this already implemented? Despite my liking for xmlbeans and its unique strengths I think

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Jarek Gawor
Here are some of my thoughts: 1) Tests and testing. We need to write more tests especially functional tests as a group. I can list a number of cases where simple changes caused things to break but we didn't find out about it until a few weeks later. I'm not talking about very complicated tests,

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread David Jencks
On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Donald Woods wrote: Gianny Damour wrote: On 09/02/2008, at 12:43 AM, Donald Woods wrote: Agree with 1a, all of #2 and 3b. - Creating documentation when new features go into svn instead as an after thought when we are trying to close out a release. -

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Donald Woods
Gianny Damour wrote: On 09/02/2008, at 12:43 AM, Donald Woods wrote: Agree with 1a, all of #2 and 3b. - Creating documentation when new features go into svn instead as an after thought when we are trying to close out a release. - Samples become a prerequisite of each new release. -

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread David Jencks
On Feb 11, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Donald Woods wrote: Shiva Kumar H R wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3a is implemented in 2.1 Is there an admin console page for this already implemented? Despite my liking for xmlbeans and

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Donald Woods
In-line Gianny Damour wrote: On 12/02/2008, at 3:05 AM, Donald Woods wrote: Gianny Damour wrote: On 09/02/2008, at 12:43 AM, Donald Woods wrote: - Continued work on enable full clustering of all components Hello Donald, Could you please list the top two components you would like to see

[Fwd: Re: Geronimo in year 2008]

2008-02-11 Thread Donald Woods
In-line below. Gianny Damour wrote: On 09/02/2008, at 12:43 AM, Donald Woods wrote: Agree with 1a, all of #2 and 3b. - Creating documentation when new features go into svn instead as an after thought when we are trying to close out a release. - Samples become a prerequisite of each new

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
On Feb 8, 2008 3:22 PM, Manu George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the point in having geronimo specific annotations? AFAIK there is a mappedName attribute in the javaEE annotations which can be used for mapping to server specific resource names. Is this completely implemented in G?

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
On Feb 8, 2008 2:09 PM, David Jencks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3a is implemented in 2.1 Is there an admin console page for this already implemented? Despite my liking for xmlbeans and its unique strengths I think a very strong argument can be made for moving the deployer code to jaxb.

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
On Feb 10, 2008 11:29 PM, Vamsavardhana Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 9, 2008 12:02 PM, Jacek Laskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 6:58 AM, Vamsavardhana Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geronimo had a great year 2007. I don't need to re-list all our achievements

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-11 Thread Jarek Gawor
I like this list but I think we should first focus on features that directly impact the end-user experience with G. For example, considering the first three items on this list, the 3rd one has the most impact on the end user and therefore in my mind it should have higher priority then the other

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-10 Thread Vamsavardhana Reddy
On Feb 9, 2008 12:02 PM, Jacek Laskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 6:58 AM, Vamsavardhana Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geronimo had a great year 2007. I don't need to re-list all our achievements listed in Matt's mail from 31st Dec 2007

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-10 Thread Vamsavardhana Reddy
I hope to summarize the input collected on this thread in a few days. Let us introduce some practices that we would love everybody to follow, but as always it is up to the individual. ++Vamsi On Feb 10, 2008 11:33 PM, Jacek Laskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 10, 2008 9:59 AM,

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-10 Thread Jacek Laskowski
On Feb 10, 2008 9:59 AM, Vamsavardhana Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In most cases, we have an associated JIRA for a new feature or a major bug fix. How about we designate the JIRA as resolved only after the related documentation is in place? Many a time we verify the code before closing

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-08 Thread David Jencks
3a is implemented in 2.1 Despite my liking for xmlbeans and its unique strengths I think a very strong argument can be made for moving the deployer code to jaxb. thanks david jencks On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Shiva Kumar H R wrote: I can immediately remember 3 prior discussions in

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-08 Thread Shiva Kumar H R
I can immediately remember 3 prior discussions in reference to this: i) [DISCUSS/FEEDBACK] Usability improvements to Geronimo mail from Prasad in Nov'07 http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg53236.html ii) [Discuss] What next? mail from DJencks in Aug'07

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-08 Thread Vamsavardhana Reddy
My picks: 1. Documentation: I want to see more users attracted to use Geronimo and documentation definitely plays a very important role. 2. Security: GBean permissions, better handling of passwords ++Vamsi On Feb 7, 2008 9:46 PM, Hernan Cunico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Vamsi, great

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-08 Thread Manu George
What is the point in having geronimo specific annotations? AFAIK there is a mappedName attribute in the javaEE annotations which can be used for mapping to server specific resource names. Is this completely implemented in G? Probably someone with more knowledge on this than me can comment :).

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-08 Thread Donald Woods
Agree with 1a, all of #2 and 3b. - Creating documentation when new features go into svn instead as an after thought when we are trying to close out a release. - Samples become a prerequisite of each new release. - Project mentoring - have several of us pick another open source project to

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-08 Thread Gianny Damour
On 09/02/2008, at 12:43 AM, Donald Woods wrote: Agree with 1a, all of #2 and 3b. - Creating documentation when new features go into svn instead as an after thought when we are trying to close out a release. - Samples become a prerequisite of each new release. - Project mentoring - have

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-08 Thread Jacek Laskowski
On Feb 7, 2008 6:58 AM, Vamsavardhana Reddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geronimo had a great year 2007. I don't need to re-list all our achievements listed in Matt's mail from 31st Dec 2007 (http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@geronimo.apache.org/msg54994.html). Now that 2.1 is also rolling out, I

Re: Geronimo in year 2008

2008-02-07 Thread Hernan Cunico
Hey Vamsi, great start, here are two things I would like to see some discussion around. - increase focus on improving usability and - treat documentation as any other module/component of the project. Having it complete should be a condition for any major release. Cheers! Hernan Vamsavardhana