[RESULT] WAS Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-04-11 Thread Lewis John McGibbney 
Hi Folks,
OK, 72 hours has well and truly come and gone... many times over. I am 
therefore going to close with a RESULT.

[ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
Lewis John McGibbney
Sean Busby
Jake Farrell
Mike Drob
Michael Stack
Masatake Iwasaki

[0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)

I will therefore progress with drafting the retirement documentation and follow 
the progress.
Thanks all for the effort during the Incubation. Not all podling efforts work 
out.
Lewis

On 2018/03/08 14:49:23, lewis john mcgibbney  wrote: 
> Hi Folks,
> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
> within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> Lewis
> 
> ===
> 
> HTrace
> 
> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> written in java.
> 
> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> 
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> 
>   1. -
>   2. -
>   3. -
> 
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
> 
> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> 
> How has the community developed since the last report?
> 
> It has not.
> 
> How has the project developed since the last report?
> 
> It has not.
> 
> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> 
>   [X] Initial setup
>   [X] Working towards first release
>   [X] Community building
>   [ ] Nearing graduation
>   [X] Other: No actiity.
> 
> Date of last release:
> 
>   2016-03-04
> 
> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> 
>   2016-10-03
> 
> Signed-off-by:
> 
>   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
>  Comments:
>   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
>  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
>  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
>  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
>  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
> podling.
>   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> 
> -- 
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-13 Thread Masatake Iwasaki 

>   - HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
>   - Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step 
up and

>   propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.

+1 to retire.

As Billie pointed out, htrace does not need active and growing community
since it is a library providing minimal functionality.
If we need to revive the development for users, I'm happy to work on it.

If HTrace become subproject of any other project, I'm happy to be on board.

Masatake


On 3/13/18 13:27, lewis john mcgibbney wrote:

Hi Folks,
The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It
would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite
clear that retirement is the right thing to do.
According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC
VOTE's to move forward with closing this VOTE with any RESULT. Actually,
not one member of the PPMC has VOTE'd yet which is pretty discouraging. At
this stage I think that we should most likely consult the general@incubator
list to seek consensus on how to proceed.
It should be noted that it is really the Mentors who have contributed to
this VOTE thread with VOTE's. I think that this speaks volumes for HTrace's
ability to sustain itself as a viable podling.

The VOTE has been open for at least 72 hours with the following outcome.

[4] +1 retire the HTrace podling
Sean Busbey
Jake Farrell
Mike Drob
Michael Stack

[0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)

I have not yet VOTE'd. I am completely aware of the fact however that this
is crunch time for HTrace. I think we either need to graduate as a
subproject OR draft a retirement resolution and propose that HTrace be
sucked into the Attic. I personally would like to see one/more of the
following taking place

- HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
- Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up and
propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.

I'll hang on with the VOTE for another ~72 hours and if nothing come of the
above then I will most likely VOTE to retire HTrace.

Lewis

[0] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/htrace

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney 
wrote:


Hi Folks,
Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
[ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
[ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
Lewis

===

HTrace

HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
written in java.

HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.

Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

   1. -
   2. -
   3. -

Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
aware of?

The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.

How has the community developed since the last report?

It has not.

How has the project developed since the last report?

It has not.

How would you assess the podling's maturity?
Please feel free to add your own commentary.

   [X] Initial setup
   [X] Working towards first release
   [X] Community building
   [ ] Nearing graduation
   [X] Other: No actiity.

Date of last release:

   2016-03-04

When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?

   2016-10-03

Signed-off-by:

   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
  Comments:
   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
  Comments:
   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
podling.
   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
  Comments:
   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
  Comments:
   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack

--
http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-13 Thread Billie Rinaldi 
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:27 PM, lewis john mcgibbney 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It
> would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite
> clear that retirement is the right thing to do.
> According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC
> VOTE's to move forward with closing this VOTE with any RESULT. Actually,
> not one member of the PPMC has VOTE'd yet which is pretty discouraging. At
> this stage I think that we should most likely consult the general@incubator
> list to seek consensus on how to proceed.
> It should be noted that it is really the Mentors who have contributed to
> this VOTE thread with VOTE's. I think that this speaks volumes for HTrace's
> ability to sustain itself as a viable podling.
>
> The VOTE has been open for at least 72 hours with the following outcome.
>
> [4] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> Sean Busbey
> Jake Farrell
> Mike Drob
> Michael Stack
>
> [0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
>
> I have not yet VOTE'd. I am completely aware of the fact however that this
> is crunch time for HTrace. I think we either need to graduate as a
> subproject OR draft a retirement resolution and propose that HTrace be
> sucked into the Attic. I personally would like to see one/more of the
> following taking place
>
>- HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
>- Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up and
>propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.
>
> I'll hang on with the VOTE for another ~72 hours and if nothing come of the
> above then I will most likely VOTE to retire HTrace.
>
> Lewis
>
> [0] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/htrace


I noticed Mike Drob had not been added to the roster, so I added him. This
used to require a pull request to infra, but since we've waited so long it
is now just a few clicks in whimsy.


>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> prevalent
> > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > Lewis
> >
> > ===
> >
> > HTrace
> >
> > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > written in java.
> >
> > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> >
> > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> >
> >   1. -
> >   2. -
> >   3. -
> >
> > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > aware of?
> >
> > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> >
> > How has the community developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How has the project developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> >
> >   [X] Initial setup
> >   [X] Working towards first release
> >   [X] Community building
> >   [ ] Nearing graduation
> >   [X] Other: No actiity.
> >
> > Date of last release:
> >
> >   2016-03-04
> >
> > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> >
> >   2016-10-03
> >
> > Signed-off-by:
> >
> >   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> >  Comments:
> >   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> >  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> >  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> >  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> not
> >  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> the
> > podling.
> >   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> >
> > --
> > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-13 Thread Billie Rinaldi 
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Christopher  wrote:

> If this vote (or a decision from IPMC) successfully retires the project,
> does it go to the attic? Or is that only for retired TLPs? If not, where
> does it go?
>

>From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html: "Retiring a
podling is analogous to moving a top-level Apache project to the Attic, but
podlings receive a lower level of ongoing support — for example, podling
websites are deleted outright rather than munged to indicate retired
status."


>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:27 AM lewis john mcgibbney 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> > The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It
> > would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite
> > clear that retirement is the right thing to do.
> > According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC
> > VOTE's to move forward with closing this VOTE with any RESULT. Actually,
> > not one member of the PPMC has VOTE'd yet which is pretty discouraging.
> At
> > this stage I think that we should most likely consult the
> general@incubator
> > list to seek consensus on how to proceed.
> > It should be noted that it is really the Mentors who have contributed to
> > this VOTE thread with VOTE's. I think that this speaks volumes for
> HTrace's
> > ability to sustain itself as a viable podling.
> >
> > The VOTE has been open for at least 72 hours with the following outcome.
> >
> > [4] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > Sean Busbey
> > Jake Farrell
> > Mike Drob
> > Michael Stack
> >
> > [0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> >
> > I have not yet VOTE'd. I am completely aware of the fact however that
> this
> > is crunch time for HTrace. I think we either need to graduate as a
> > subproject OR draft a retirement resolution and propose that HTrace be
> > sucked into the Attic. I personally would like to see one/more of the
> > following taking place
> >
> >- HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
> >- Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up
> and
> >propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.
> >
> > I'll hang on with the VOTE for another ~72 hours and if nothing come of
> the
> > above then I will most likely VOTE to retire HTrace.
> >
> > Lewis
> >
> > [0] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/htrace
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> > prevalent
> > > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > > Lewis
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > HTrace
> > >
> > > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > > written in java.
> > >
> > > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> > >
> > > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> > >
> > >   1. -
> > >   2. -
> > >   3. -
> > >
> > > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > > aware of?
> > >
> > > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks
> like
> > > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> > >
> > > How has the community developed since the last report?
> > >
> > > It has not.
> > >
> > > How has the project developed since the last report?
> > >
> > > It has not.
> > >
> > > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> > >
> > >   [X] Initial setup
> > >   [X] Working towards first release
> > >   [X] Community building
> > >   [ ] Nearing graduation
> > >   [X] Other: No actiity.
> > >
> > > Date of last release:
> > >
> > >   2016-03-04
> > >
> > > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> > >
> > >   2016-10-03
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by:
> > >
> > >   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> > >  Comments:
> > >   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> > >  Comments:
> > >   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> > >  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> > >  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> > >  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> > not
> > >  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> > the
> > > podling.
> > >   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> > >

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread Christopher 
If this vote (or a decision from IPMC) successfully retires the project,
does it go to the attic? Or is that only for retired TLPs? If not, where
does it go?


On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:27 AM lewis john mcgibbney 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It
> would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite
> clear that retirement is the right thing to do.
> According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC
> VOTE's to move forward with closing this VOTE with any RESULT. Actually,
> not one member of the PPMC has VOTE'd yet which is pretty discouraging. At
> this stage I think that we should most likely consult the general@incubator
> list to seek consensus on how to proceed.
> It should be noted that it is really the Mentors who have contributed to
> this VOTE thread with VOTE's. I think that this speaks volumes for HTrace's
> ability to sustain itself as a viable podling.
>
> The VOTE has been open for at least 72 hours with the following outcome.
>
> [4] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> Sean Busbey
> Jake Farrell
> Mike Drob
> Michael Stack
>
> [0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
>
> I have not yet VOTE'd. I am completely aware of the fact however that this
> is crunch time for HTrace. I think we either need to graduate as a
> subproject OR draft a retirement resolution and propose that HTrace be
> sucked into the Attic. I personally would like to see one/more of the
> following taking place
>
>- HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
>- Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up and
>propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.
>
> I'll hang on with the VOTE for another ~72 hours and if nothing come of the
> above then I will most likely VOTE to retire HTrace.
>
> Lewis
>
> [0] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/htrace
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> prevalent
> > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > Lewis
> >
> > ===
> >
> > HTrace
> >
> > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > written in java.
> >
> > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> >
> > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> >
> >   1. -
> >   2. -
> >   3. -
> >
> > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > aware of?
> >
> > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> >
> > How has the community developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How has the project developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> >
> >   [X] Initial setup
> >   [X] Working towards first release
> >   [X] Community building
> >   [ ] Nearing graduation
> >   [X] Other: No actiity.
> >
> > Date of last release:
> >
> >   2016-03-04
> >
> > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> >
> >   2016-10-03
> >
> > Signed-off-by:
> >
> >   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> >  Comments:
> >   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> >  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> >  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> >  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> not
> >  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> the
> > podling.
> >   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> >
> > --
> > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread lewis john mcgibbney 
general@incubator thread link inline

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:27 PM, lewis john mcgibbney 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It
> would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite
> clear that retirement is the right thing to do.
> According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC
> VOTE's to move forward with closing this VOTE with any RESULT. Actually,
> not one member of the PPMC has VOTE'd yet which is pretty discouraging. At
> this stage I think that we should most likely consult the general@incubator
> list to seek consensus on how to proceed.
>

https://s.apache.org/94eL


> It should be noted that it is really the Mentors who have contributed to
> this VOTE thread with VOTE's. I think that this speaks volumes for HTrace's
> ability to sustain itself as a viable podling.
>
> The VOTE has been open for at least 72 hours with the following outcome.
>
> [4] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> Sean Busbey
> Jake Farrell
> Mike Drob
> Michael Stack
>
> [0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
>
> I have not yet VOTE'd. I am completely aware of the fact however that this
> is crunch time for HTrace. I think we either need to graduate as a
> subproject OR draft a retirement resolution and propose that HTrace be
> sucked into the Attic. I personally would like to see one/more of the
> following taking place
>
>- HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible
>- Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up
>and propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X.
>
> I'll hang on with the VOTE for another ~72 hours and if nothing come of
> the above then I will most likely VOTE to retire HTrace.
>
> Lewis
>
> [0] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/htrace
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
>> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
>> prevalent within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like
>> to formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
>> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
>> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
>> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
>> Lewis
>>
>> ===
>>
>> HTrace
>>
>> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
>> written in java.
>>
>> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
>>
>> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>>
>>   1. -
>>   2. -
>>   3. -
>>
>> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
>> aware of?
>>
>> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
>> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
>> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
>> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
>>
>> How has the community developed since the last report?
>>
>> It has not.
>>
>> How has the project developed since the last report?
>>
>> It has not.
>>
>> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
>> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
>>
>>   [X] Initial setup
>>   [X] Working towards first release
>>   [X] Community building
>>   [ ] Nearing graduation
>>   [X] Other: No actiity.
>>
>> Date of last release:
>>
>>   2016-03-04
>>
>> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
>>
>>   2016-10-03
>>
>> Signed-off-by:
>>
>>   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
>>  Comments:
>>   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
>>  Comments:
>>   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
>>  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
>>  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
>>  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
>> not
>>  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
>> the podling.
>>   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
>>  Comments:
>>   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
>>  Comments:
>>   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
>>
>> --
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>> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>>
>
>
>
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Fwd: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread lewis john mcgibbney 
Hi HTrace PPMC,
I thought I would directly pass on the below VOTE for consideration.
Thanks
Lewis

-- Forwarded message --
From: lewis john mcgibbney <lewi...@apache.org>
Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:49 AM
Subject: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
To: dev@htrace.incubator.apache.org


Hi Folks,
Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
[ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
[ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
Lewis

===

HTrace

HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
written in java.

HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.

Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

  1. -
  2. -
  3. -

Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
aware of?

The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.

How has the community developed since the last report?

It has not.

How has the project developed since the last report?

It has not.

How would you assess the podling's maturity?
Please feel free to add your own commentary.

  [X] Initial setup
  [X] Working towards first release
  [X] Community building
  [ ] Nearing graduation
  [X] Other: No actiity.

Date of last release:

  2016-03-04

When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?

  2016-10-03

Signed-off-by:

  [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
 Comments:
  [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
 Comments:
  [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
 Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
 "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
 work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
 happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
podling.
  [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
 Comments:
  [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
 Comments:
  [ ](htrace) Michael Stack

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Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread lewis john mcgibbney 
Hi Sheng,

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:55 PM, <
dev-digest-h...@htrace.incubator.apache.org> wrote:

>
> From: Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>
> To: Adrian Cole <adrian.f.c...@gmail.com>, dev@htrace.incubator.apache.org,
> d...@skywalking.incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 18:36:17 +0800
> Subject: Re: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
> Hi, Adrian and HTrace community.
>
> Glad to be invited. I am the creator and PPMC of SkyWaking, which is a new
> incubator project: https://incubator.apache.org/projects/skywalking.html
>
> Right now, SkyWalking provide Agent based SDK, such OpenTracing APIs and
> our own APIs. But I am not familiar with HTrace's APIs. But there is two
> very easy ways
> 1. Add a new module to provide a library
> 2. Provide another API library with the agent.
>
> Or HTrace community guys have any suggestion.
>
> Anyway, I and skywalking team want to help.


There is absolutely nothing preventing the above work to go ahead right
now. The most recent HTrace artifacts (htrace-4.2.0-incubating) can be
found at [0] with the Maven artifacts present at [1]. Maybe this would be a
useful GSoC effort I am not sure. It doesn't however look like the folks on
dev@htrace have time to be engaged in that effort however I am may be
completely wrong.

Lewis

[0] http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/htrace/
[1] http://search.maven.org/#search%7Cga%7C1%7Cg%3A%22org.apache.htrace%22

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread lewis john mcgibbney 
Hi Mike,

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:55 PM, <
dev-digest-h...@htrace.incubator.apache.org> wrote:

>
> From: Mike Drob <md...@mdrob.com>
> To: dev@htrace.incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:16:46 -0600
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
> There's a distinction between the code and the community. The code can be
> there, but it certainly feels like there is no community left. If any of
> the TLPs want to try to pick it back up, I don't think anybody would stop
> them?
>
>
This is true. The Apache Attic [0] enables the current PPPMC to retire
HTrace but also enables almost ANYONE to initiate the pprocess of leaving
the Attic again. The options are

   - Forking the project - we'll link to any forks which have been created
   so please let us know
   - Restarting the community in the Apache Incubator
   - Recreating a PMC for the project

Right now however, if the mentoring members of HTrace were to entirely
disperse e.g. Jake Farrell, Todd Lipcon, Andrew Purtell, Billie Rinaldi,
Michael Stack and me, then I think that HTrace would most likely fall into
the state where it would join the group of projects whose PMC are unable to
muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable
to fulfill their reporting duties to the board.

The simple fact is that until this very point in time, HTrace has been
unable to demonstrably grow community. In hindsight, we should have
possibly drafted a graduation proposal after the preious release however
that is now in the past and cannot be undone.

Lewis

[0] https://attic.apache.org/

Re: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-11 Thread Sheng Wu 
Hi, Adrian and HTrace community.

Glad to be invited. I am the creator and PPMC of SkyWaking, which is a new
incubator project: https://incubator.apache.org/projects/skywalking.html

Right now, SkyWalking provide Agent based SDK, such OpenTracing APIs and
our own APIs. But I am not familiar with HTrace's APIs. But there is two
very easy ways
1. Add a new module to provide a library
2. Provide another API library with the agent.

Or HTrace community guys have any suggestion.

Anyway, I and skywalking team want to help.



2018-03-09 8:01 GMT+08:00 Adrian Cole <adrian.f.c...@gmail.com>:

> I forget.. does skywalking have a standalone tracing library or is it
> agent only? Can it help to do things htrace was doing?
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Christopher" <ctubb...@apache.org>
> Date: 9 Mar 2018 6:01 am
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation
> To: <dev@htrace.incubator.apache.org>
> Cc:
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon <t...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1 to retire.
>> > >
>> > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally,
>> and
>> > I
>> > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Christopher,
>> > >
>> > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun
>> out
>> > of
>> > > HDFS's efforts.
>> > >
>> > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was
>> replaced
>> > by
>> > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
>> >
>> >
>> > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
>> > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
>> > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to
>> make it
>> > a more generic thing in a separate community.
>> >
>> > -Todd
>> >
>>
>> In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making it
>> a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
>> now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and pushing
>> it
>> towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved (ASF
>> requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging
>> HTrace
>> for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what will
>> happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't think
>> there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but maybe
>> it
>> will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
>>
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-10 Thread Mike Drob 
There's a distinction between the code and the community. The code can be
there, but it certainly feels like there is no community left. If any of
the TLPs want to try to pick it back up, I don't think anybody would stop
them?

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Christopher  wrote:

> That's what I was thinking... retiring indicates not just that it's not
> currently being developed, but that it can't be developed if needed. It
> makes sense for projects to drop it, because they will have no way to patch
> it if there's an issue. And, with something like HTrace, which one embeds
> deep in one's code, projects need to plan ahead for that contingency,
> rather than use it until there's an issue.
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:42 AM Billie Rinaldi 
> wrote:
>
> > I feel like the htrace core library doesn't really need active
> development,
> > but I worry that retiring htrace will encourage other projects to drop it
> > as a dependency. If it had a home as a subproject, perhaps people would
> > continue to use it even if releases were infrequent. IMO that would be
> > preferable to retirement. I'd be on board if a TLP wanted to adopt htrace
> > as a subproject, but I also expect I will continue to only have time for
> > votes and not development.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Christopher  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 to retire.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this
> personally,
> > > and
> > > > I
> > > > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Christopher,
> > > > >
> > > > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun
> > out
> > > > of
> > > > > HDFS's efforts.
> > > > >
> > > > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was
> > replaced
> > > > by
> > > > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
> > > > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
> > > > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to
> > make
> > > it
> > > > a more generic thing in a separate community.
> > > >
> > > > -Todd
> > > >
> > >
> > > In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making
> > it
> > > a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
> > > now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and
> pushing
> > it
> > > towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved
> (ASF
> > > requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging
> > HTrace
> > > for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what
> > will
> > > happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't
> > think
> > > there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but
> maybe
> > it
> > > will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
> > >
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-10 Thread Christopher 
That's what I was thinking... retiring indicates not just that it's not
currently being developed, but that it can't be developed if needed. It
makes sense for projects to drop it, because they will have no way to patch
it if there's an issue. And, with something like HTrace, which one embeds
deep in one's code, projects need to plan ahead for that contingency,
rather than use it until there's an issue.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:42 AM Billie Rinaldi 
wrote:

> I feel like the htrace core library doesn't really need active development,
> but I worry that retiring htrace will encourage other projects to drop it
> as a dependency. If it had a home as a subproject, perhaps people would
> continue to use it even if releases were infrequent. IMO that would be
> preferable to retirement. I'd be on board if a TLP wanted to adopt htrace
> as a subproject, but I also expect I will continue to only have time for
> votes and not development.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Christopher  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob  wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 to retire.
> > > >
> > > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally,
> > and
> > > I
> > > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Christopher,
> > > >
> > > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun
> out
> > > of
> > > > HDFS's efforts.
> > > >
> > > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was
> replaced
> > > by
> > > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
> > > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
> > > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to
> make
> > it
> > > a more generic thing in a separate community.
> > >
> > > -Todd
> > >
> >
> > In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making
> it
> > a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
> > now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and pushing
> it
> > towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved (ASF
> > requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging
> HTrace
> > for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what
> will
> > happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't
> think
> > there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but maybe
> it
> > will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-10 Thread Billie Rinaldi 
I feel like the htrace core library doesn't really need active development,
but I worry that retiring htrace will encourage other projects to drop it
as a dependency. If it had a home as a subproject, perhaps people would
continue to use it even if releases were infrequent. IMO that would be
preferable to retirement. I'd be on board if a TLP wanted to adopt htrace
as a subproject, but I also expect I will continue to only have time for
votes and not development.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Christopher  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob  wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to retire.
> > >
> > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally,
> and
> > I
> > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
> > >
> > >
> > > Christopher,
> > >
> > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out
> > of
> > > HDFS's efforts.
> > >
> > > They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was replaced
> > by
> > > HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898
> >
> >
> > Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
> > cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
> > Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to make
> it
> > a more generic thing in a separate community.
> >
> > -Todd
> >
>
> In retrospect, it is a shame more Accumulo folks didn't help out making it
> a more generic thing once it moved to Incubator. It's probably too late
> now, but I wouldn't mind helping out with maintaining HTrace and pushing it
> towards graduation, if there's still others willing to stay involved (ASF
> requires 3 minimum). I've already been helping downstream, packaging HTrace
> for Fedora, and would like to see it continue. Does anybody know what will
> happen to HTrace if/when this vote passes? I'm not sure, but I don't think
> there's a lot of interest in rebooting cloudtrace in Accumulo, but maybe it
> will revert to its former GitHub presence? Is there a current plan?
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread stack 
Thanks Lewis.

With heavy heart, +1 on retire.

St.Ack

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 6:49 AM lewis john mcgibbney 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
> within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> Lewis
>
> ===
>
> HTrace
>
> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> written in java.
>
> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>   1. -
>   2. -
>   3. -
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
>
>   [X] Initial setup
>   [X] Working towards first release
>   [X] Community building
>   [ ] Nearing graduation
>   [X] Other: No actiity.
>
> Date of last release:
>
>   2016-03-04
>
> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
>
>   2016-10-03
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
>  Comments:
>   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
>  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
>  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
>  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
>  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
> podling.
>   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Todd Lipcon 
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob  wrote:

> +1 to retire.
>
> This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally, and I
> do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.
>
>
> Christopher,
>
> HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out of
> HDFS's efforts.
>
> They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was replaced by
> HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898


Actually going back further than that, it did actually come from
cloudtrace. It was an intern that I and a few others worked with at
Cloudera many summers back who did the porting out of cloudtrace to make it
a more generic thing in a separate community.

-Todd


> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Christopher  wrote:
>
> > I only just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and this is the
> first
> > thread I've seen on this :(
> >
> > Given that Accumulo continues to use HTrace (and I'm not sure, but I
> think
> > much of its code originated in Accumulo as "cloudtrace"/"accumulo-trace")
> ,
> > it's a shame that this project did not graduate as a subproject of
> Accumulo
> > or something, if nothing else.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:29 PM Jake Farrell  wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to retire the HTrace podling
> > >
> > > -Jake
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney <
> lewi...@apache.org
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > > > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> > > prevalent
> > > > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > > > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > > > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > > > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide
> justification)
> > > > Lewis
> > > >
> > > > ===
> > > >
> > > > HTrace
> > > >
> > > > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed
> systems
> > > > written in java.
> > > >
> > > > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> > > >
> > > > Three most important issues to address in the move towards
> graduation:
> > > >
> > > >   1. -
> > > >   2. -
> > > >   3. -
> > > >
> > > > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > > > aware of?
> > > >
> > > > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > > > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > > > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks
> > like
> > > > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> > > >
> > > > How has the community developed since the last report?
> > > >
> > > > It has not.
> > > >
> > > > How has the project developed since the last report?
> > > >
> > > > It has not.
> > > >
> > > > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > > > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> > > >
> > > >   [X] Initial setup
> > > >   [X] Working towards first release
> > > >   [X] Community building
> > > >   [ ] Nearing graduation
> > > >   [X] Other: No actiity.
> > > >
> > > > Date of last release:
> > > >
> > > >   2016-03-04
> > > >
> > > > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> > > >
> > > >   2016-10-03
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by:
> > > >
> > > >   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> > > >  Comments:
> > > >   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> > > >  Comments:
> > > >   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> > > >  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> > > >  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> > > >  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that
> does
> > > not
> > > >  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore
> retire
> > > the
> > > > podling.
> > > >   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> > > >  Comments:
> > > >   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> > > >  Comments:
> > > >   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > > > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



-- 
Todd Lipcon
Software Engineer, Cloudera

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Mike Drob 
+1 to retire.

This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally, and I
do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up.


Christopher,

HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out of
HDFS's efforts.

They were two separate things, where eventually cloudtrace was replaced by
HTrace. Look at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ACCUMULO-898

Mike

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Christopher  wrote:

> I only just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and this is the first
> thread I've seen on this :(
>
> Given that Accumulo continues to use HTrace (and I'm not sure, but I think
> much of its code originated in Accumulo as "cloudtrace"/"accumulo-trace"),
> it's a shame that this project did not graduate as a subproject of Accumulo
> or something, if nothing else.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:29 PM Jake Farrell  wrote:
>
> > +1 to retire the HTrace podling
> >
> > -Jake
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> > prevalent
> > > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > > Lewis
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > HTrace
> > >
> > > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > > written in java.
> > >
> > > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> > >
> > > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> > >
> > >   1. -
> > >   2. -
> > >   3. -
> > >
> > > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > > aware of?
> > >
> > > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks
> like
> > > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> > >
> > > How has the community developed since the last report?
> > >
> > > It has not.
> > >
> > > How has the project developed since the last report?
> > >
> > > It has not.
> > >
> > > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> > >
> > >   [X] Initial setup
> > >   [X] Working towards first release
> > >   [X] Community building
> > >   [ ] Nearing graduation
> > >   [X] Other: No actiity.
> > >
> > > Date of last release:
> > >
> > >   2016-03-04
> > >
> > > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> > >
> > >   2016-10-03
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by:
> > >
> > >   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> > >  Comments:
> > >   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> > >  Comments:
> > >   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> > >  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> > >  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> > >  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> > not
> > >  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> > the
> > > podling.
> > >   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> > >  Comments:
> > >   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> > >  Comments:
> > >   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> > >
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Christopher 
I only just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and this is the first
thread I've seen on this :(

Given that Accumulo continues to use HTrace (and I'm not sure, but I think
much of its code originated in Accumulo as "cloudtrace"/"accumulo-trace"),
it's a shame that this project did not graduate as a subproject of Accumulo
or something, if nothing else.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:29 PM Jake Farrell  wrote:

> +1 to retire the HTrace podling
>
> -Jake
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been
> prevalent
> > within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> > formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> > The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> > [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> > Lewis
> >
> > ===
> >
> > HTrace
> >
> > HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> > written in java.
> >
> > HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> >
> > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> >
> >   1. -
> >   2. -
> >   3. -
> >
> > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> > aware of?
> >
> > The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> > sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> > After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> > it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> >
> > How has the community developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How has the project developed since the last report?
> >
> > It has not.
> >
> > How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> > Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> >
> >   [X] Initial setup
> >   [X] Working towards first release
> >   [X] Community building
> >   [ ] Nearing graduation
> >   [X] Other: No actiity.
> >
> > Date of last release:
> >
> >   2016-03-04
> >
> > When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> >
> >   2016-10-03
> >
> > Signed-off-by:
> >
> >   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
> >  Comments:
> >   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
> >  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
> >  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
> >  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does
> not
> >  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire
> the
> > podling.
> >   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
> >  Comments:
> >   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> >
> > --
> > http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Jake Farrell 
+1 to retire the HTrace podling

-Jake


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney 
wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
> within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> Lewis
>
> ===
>
> HTrace
>
> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> written in java.
>
> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
>
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>
>   1. -
>   2. -
>   3. -
>
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
>
> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
>
> How has the community developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How has the project developed since the last report?
>
> It has not.
>
> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
>
>   [X] Initial setup
>   [X] Working towards first release
>   [X] Community building
>   [ ] Nearing graduation
>   [X] Other: No actiity.
>
> Date of last release:
>
>   2016-03-04
>
> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
>
>   2016-10-03
>
> Signed-off-by:
>
>   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
>  Comments:
>   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
>  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
>  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
>  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
>  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
> podling.
>   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
>
> --
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Sean Busbey 
+1 retire. Thanks for making a go of it folks. Hope to see the work leveraged 
in the future.

On 2018/03/08 14:49:23, lewis john mcgibbney  wrote: 
> Hi Folks,
> Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
> I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
> within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
> formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
> [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
> [ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
> Lewis
> 
> ===
> 
> HTrace
> 
> HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
> written in java.
> 
> HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.
> 
> Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> 
>   1. -
>   2. -
>   3. -
> 
> Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> aware of?
> 
> The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
> sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
> After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
> it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.
> 
> How has the community developed since the last report?
> 
> It has not.
> 
> How has the project developed since the last report?
> 
> It has not.
> 
> How would you assess the podling's maturity?
> Please feel free to add your own commentary.
> 
>   [X] Initial setup
>   [X] Working towards first release
>   [X] Community building
>   [ ] Nearing graduation
>   [X] Other: No actiity.
> 
> Date of last release:
> 
>   2016-03-04
> 
> When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?
> 
>   2016-10-03
> 
> Signed-off-by:
> 
>   [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
>  Comments:
>   [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
>  Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
>  "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
>  work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
>  happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
> podling.
>   [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
>  Comments:
>   [ ](htrace) Michael Stack
> 
> -- 
> http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc
>

[VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread lewis john mcgibbney 
Hi Folks,
Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below)
I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has been prevalent
within the HTrace community for some time. I would therefore like to
formally open a VOTE to retire HTrace from the Incubator.
The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours.
[ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling
[ ] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide justification)
Lewis

===

HTrace

HTrace is a tracing framework intended for use with distributed systems
written in java.

HTrace has been incubating since 2014-11-11.

Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:

  1. -
  2. -
  3. -

Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
aware of?

The HTrace podling has seen no code activity in months. Discussion of
sending it to the Attic have been circulating for some time as well.
After literally no activity again over the last few months, it looks like
it is time to progress with sending HTrace to the Attic.

How has the community developed since the last report?

It has not.

How has the project developed since the last report?

It has not.

How would you assess the podling's maturity?
Please feel free to add your own commentary.

  [X] Initial setup
  [X] Working towards first release
  [X] Community building
  [ ] Nearing graduation
  [X] Other: No actiity.

Date of last release:

  2016-03-04

When were the last committers or PPMC members elected?

  2016-10-03

Signed-off-by:

  [ ](htrace) Jake Farrell
 Comments:
  [ ](htrace) Todd Lipcon
 Comments:
  [X](htrace) Lewis John Mcgibbney
 Comments: In our January 2018 report we mentioned that
 "HTrace is very quiet. There is opportunity to continue
 work if we engage with projects already using HTrace. If that does not
 happen, we should retire the podling." We should therefore retire the
podling.
  [ ](htrace) Andrew Purtell
 Comments:
  [ ](htrace) Billie Rinaldi
 Comments:
  [ ](htrace) Michael Stack

-- 
http://home.apache.org/~lewismc/
http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/lewismc