Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Douglas Lardo]

Overtrail - Overlay + Contrail

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Ashish Ranjan <aran...@live.com> wrote:

> naming suggestions:
>
>
> k8l (pronounced: kay-eit-el)
>
> c8l (pronounced: see-eit-el)
>
>
> (k8s folks may object to above :( )
>
>
> --
> *From:* Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Ashish
> Ranjan <aran...@live.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 1, 2017 8:22:26 AM
> *To:* Robert Raszuk; CARVER, PAUL
>
> *Cc:* dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> *Subject:* Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
> Well leaving aside what a commercial distribution should have or how to
> monetize this, if we rename the project, fork is inevitable at its core. We
> want a situation where xyz distribution is based on contrail at its core
> not on .. Given that most of the code contribution is still
> coming from Juniper Engineers, It will legitimately be sold as Contrail and
> there will not be any motivation for a third party to distribute this as
> different name. So in the end going to LF will yield little gain and we end
> up with project diverging.
>
> Ashish
>
> _____
> From: Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
> To: CARVER, PAUL <pc2...@att.com>
> Cc: <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
>
>
>
> There is in fact one more very important aspect ...
>
> If I get OpenContrail with commercial support I can extend it in house as
> it seems fit for a given project.
>
> If I get no matter how great binaries from any vendor I have to adjust my
> projects to fit what given vendor supports.
> And clearly any vendor is reluctant to implement custom features in common
> code base for single customer env.
>
> Leave alone that internal support within enterprise is also much easier of
> the white box as opposed to black box :).
>
> Personally other then for marketing reasons IMHO it would be much better
> to get RedHat and Cannonical to ship
> integrated OpenContrail within their linux distro packages then to care
> what LF considers legal or illegal name.
>
> Best,
> R.
>
>
> ​> ​
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 2:54 PM, CARVER, PAUL <pc2...@att.com> wrote:
>
> I don’t know how to convince the LF and Juniper lawyers, but I completely
> agree. I want a commercial support arrangement, but I don’t want commercial
> software that is “based on” or “derived from” Open Source. I want a
> commercial support contract for software that **IS** Open Source. The
> commonality of the naming is important because I specifically want to know
> that when I buy Linux of OpenStack or Contrail from a vendor that what
> they’re selling me is support and services, NOT permission to use
> proprietary software that shares x% of its code with an Open Source project.
>
>
>
> To me the ideal would be multiple vendors all with their own separate
> groups of customers but with everybody agreeing that Juniper’s Open
> Contrail and X’s Open Contrail and Y’s Open Contrail are all the same
> software, cooperatively developed by Juniper and X and Y, with vendors
> differentiated by level of support, pricing, strength of presence in
> various countries, knowledge of customers’ specific industries, etc.
>
>
>
> I know some lawyers, perhaps including AT’s lawyers, don’t like the GPL,
> but I personally do like it specifically because I like knowing that the
> software I’m paying for doesn’t merely **contain** some formerly open
> source code, but is in fact currently and will be in the future, entirely
> Open Source.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Paul Carver
>
> VoIP: 732-545-7377 <(732)%20545-7377>
>
> Cell: 908-803-1656 <(908)%20803-1656>
>
> E: pcar...@att.com
>
> Q Instant Message
>
> It is difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org]*On Behalf Of *Robert
> Raszuk
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 03:32
> *To:* Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> *Subject:* Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> The most valuable property of Open Contrail is that it comes from the same
> code base as commercial Contrail.
>
>
>
> Renaming it means to many customers a divorce from the original principle.
>
>
>
> //RR
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2017 05:12, "Harshad Nakil" <hna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Forcing OpenContrail to give up identity that got us here since last five
> years is not right.
>
> It is also being ungrateful to creativit

Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Ashish Ranjan]

naming suggestions:


k8l (pronounced: kay-eit-el)

c8l (pronounced: see-eit-el)


(k8s folks may object to above :( )



From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Ashish Ranjan 
<aran...@live.com>
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 8:22:26 AM
To: Robert Raszuk; CARVER, PAUL
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Well leaving aside what a commercial distribution should have or how to 
monetize this, if we rename the project, fork is inevitable at its core. We 
want a situation where xyz distribution is based on contrail at its core not on 
.. Given that most of the code contribution is still coming from 
Juniper Engineers, It will legitimately be sold as Contrail and there will not 
be any motivation for a third party to distribute this as different name. So in 
the end going to LF will yield little gain and we end up with project diverging.

Ashish

_
From: Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net>
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
To: CARVER, PAUL <pc2...@att.com>
Cc: <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>



There is in fact one more very important aspect ...

If I get OpenContrail with commercial support I can extend it in house as it 
seems fit for a given project.

If I get no matter how great binaries from any vendor I have to adjust my 
projects to fit what given vendor supports.
And clearly any vendor is reluctant to implement custom features in common code 
base for single customer env.

Leave alone that internal support within enterprise is also much easier of the 
white box as opposed to black box :).

Personally other then for marketing reasons IMHO it would be much better to get 
RedHat and Cannonical to ship
integrated OpenContrail within their linux distro packages then to care what LF 
considers legal or illegal name.

Best,
R.


​> ​
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 2:54 PM, CARVER, PAUL 
<pc2...@att.com<mailto:pc2...@att.com>> wrote:

I don’t know how to convince the LF and Juniper lawyers, but I completely 
agree. I want a commercial support arrangement, but I don’t want commercial 
software that is “based on” or “derived from” Open Source. I want a commercial 
support contract for software that *IS* Open Source. The commonality of the 
naming is important because I specifically want to know that when I buy Linux 
of OpenStack or Contrail from a vendor that what they’re selling me is support 
and services, NOT permission to use proprietary software that shares x% of its 
code with an Open Source project.



To me the ideal would be multiple vendors all with their own separate groups of 
customers but with everybody agreeing that Juniper’s Open Contrail and X’s Open 
Contrail and Y’s Open Contrail are all the same software, cooperatively 
developed by Juniper and X and Y, with vendors differentiated by level of 
support, pricing, strength of presence in various countries, knowledge of 
customers’ specific industries, etc.



I know some lawyers, perhaps including AT’s lawyers, don’t like the GPL, but 
I personally do like it specifically because I like knowing that the software 
I’m paying for doesn’t merely *contain* some formerly open source code, but is 
in fact currently and will be in the future, entirely Open Source.



--

Paul Carver

VoIP: 732-545-7377<tel:(732)%20545-7377>

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It is difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future.





From: Dev 
[mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>]On
 Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 03:32
To: Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>

Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name



The most valuable property of Open Contrail is that it comes from the same code 
base as commercial Contrail.



Renaming it means to many customers a divorce from the original principle.



//RR



On Dec 1, 2017 05:12, "Harshad Nakil" 
<hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Forcing OpenContrail to give up identity that got us here since last five years 
is not right.

It is also being ungrateful to creativity.



I never understood the insistence to be part of LF.


Regards

-Harshad




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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Abhijit Gadgil]

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 7:24 PM, CARVER, PAUL <pc2...@att.com> wrote:

> I don’t know how to convince the LF and Juniper lawyers, but I completely
> agree. I want a commercial support arrangement, but I don’t want commercial
> software that is “based on” or “derived from” Open Source. I want a
> commercial support contract for software that **IS** Open Source. The
> commonality of the naming is important because I specifically want to know
> that when I buy Linux of OpenStack or Contrail from a vendor that what
> they’re selling me is support and services, NOT permission to use
> proprietary software that shares x% of its code with an Open Source project.
>
>
>
> To me the ideal would be multiple vendors all with their own separate
> groups of customers but with everybody agreeing that Juniper’s Open
> Contrail and X’s Open Contrail and Y’s Open Contrail are all the same
> software, cooperatively developed by Juniper and X and Y, with vendors
> differentiated by level of support, pricing, strength of presence in
> various countries, knowledge of customers’ specific industries, etc.
>
>
>
> I know some lawyers, perhaps including AT’s lawyers, don’t like the GPL,
> but I personally do like it specifically because I like knowing that the
> software I’m paying for doesn’t merely **contain** some formerly open
> source code, but is in fact currently and will be in the future, entirely
> Open Source.
>

+2



>
>
> --
>
> Paul Carver
>
> VoIP: 732-545-7377
>
> Cell: 908-803-1656
>
> E: pcar...@att.com
>
> Q Instant Message
>
> It is difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert
> Raszuk
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 03:32
> *To:* Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> *Subject:* Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> The most valuable property of Open Contrail is that it comes from the same
> code base as commercial Contrail.
>
>
>
> Renaming it means to many customers a divorce from the original principle.
>
>
>
> //RR
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2017 05:12, "Harshad Nakil" <hna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Forcing OpenContrail to give up identity that got us here since last five
> years is not right.
>
> It is also being ungrateful to creativity.
>
>
>
> I never understood the insistence to be part of LF.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> -Harshad
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
> wrote:
>
> I will ask the LF folks,
>
> But please note that RedHat does not actually own, or tried to own Linux
> as a trademark.
>
> RedHat site seems to claims that Enterprise Linux is a registered
> trademark it is actually not.
>
>
>
> Enterprise Linux was filed and abandoned in 2008 by some magazine, RedHat
> filed Enterprise Linux Advanced Platform which also
>
> was abandoned in 2008 and trademark was never granted according to US
>
>
>
> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc=4809:yjpkzi.2.3
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tmsearch.uspto.gov_bin_showfield-3Ff-3Ddoc-26state-3D4809-3Ayjpkzi.2.3=DwMFaQ=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=xtmPik_TP2fjPVGWP4yBRQ=K2P-CgQRlLroEQ4Jd1AhI3BSk_EuOqLBWu5PeCmAQYQ=c8xbJQAJq0F_fqqNshx7yXmHXLTguntXOrRf0W396BM=>
>
> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc=4809:yjpkzi.2.1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tmsearch.uspto.gov_bin_showfield-3Ff-3Ddoc-26state-3D4809-3Ayjpkzi.2.1=DwMFaQ=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=xtmPik_TP2fjPVGWP4yBRQ=K2P-CgQRlLroEQ4Jd1AhI3BSk_EuOqLBWu5PeCmAQYQ=WhDxJk8pLArW_T54PJpc9izWFwD5TWBPAY1t-Aqa908=>
>
>
>
> So RedHat is using Linux in the product name without owning the trademark.
>
> They also should not have a registration mark against Enterprise Linux on
> their site as It is not a USA registered trademark.
>
>
>
> We do need to retain Contrail as trademark not just use it in the product
> name.
>
>
>
> Both internal lawyers and LF lawyers had a fit. Trust me I did not give up
> this fight easily.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Sachin
> Bansal <sban...@juniper.net>
> *Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:38 PM
> *To: *Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
>
> I also see double standards here. They have no problem with Redhat sel

Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Robert Raszuk]

There is in fact one more very important aspect ...

If I get OpenContrail with commercial support I can extend it in house as
it seems fit for a given project.

If I get no matter how great binaries from any vendor I have to adjust my
projects to fit what given vendor supports.
And clearly any vendor is reluctant to implement custom features in common
code base for single customer env.

Leave alone that internal support within enterprise is also much easier of
the white box as opposed to black box :).

Personally other then for marketing reasons IMHO it would be much better to
get RedHat and Cannonical to ship
integrated OpenContrail within their linux distro packages then to care
what LF considers legal or illegal name.

Best,
R.


​> ​
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 2:54 PM, CARVER, PAUL <pc2...@att.com> wrote:

> I don’t know how to convince the LF and Juniper lawyers, but I completely
> agree. I want a commercial support arrangement, but I don’t want commercial
> software that is “based on” or “derived from” Open Source. I want a
> commercial support contract for software that **IS** Open Source. The
> commonality of the naming is important because I specifically want to know
> that when I buy Linux of OpenStack or Contrail from a vendor that what
> they’re selling me is support and services, NOT permission to use
> proprietary software that shares x% of its code with an Open Source project.
>
>
>
> To me the ideal would be multiple vendors all with their own separate
> groups of customers but with everybody agreeing that Juniper’s Open
> Contrail and X’s Open Contrail and Y’s Open Contrail are all the same
> software, cooperatively developed by Juniper and X and Y, with vendors
> differentiated by level of support, pricing, strength of presence in
> various countries, knowledge of customers’ specific industries, etc.
>
>
>
> I know some lawyers, perhaps including AT’s lawyers, don’t like the GPL,
> but I personally do like it specifically because I like knowing that the
> software I’m paying for doesn’t merely **contain** some formerly open
> source code, but is in fact currently and will be in the future, entirely
> Open Source.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Paul Carver
>
> VoIP: 732-545-7377 <(732)%20545-7377>
>
> Cell: 908-803-1656 <(908)%20803-1656>
>
> E: pcar...@att.com
>
> Q Instant Message
>
> It is difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert
> Raszuk
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 03:32
> *To:* Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> *Subject:* Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> The most valuable property of Open Contrail is that it comes from the same
> code base as commercial Contrail.
>
>
>
> Renaming it means to many customers a divorce from the original principle.
>
>
>
> //RR
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2017 05:12, "Harshad Nakil" <hna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Forcing OpenContrail to give up identity that got us here since last five
> years is not right.
>
> It is also being ungrateful to creativity.
>
>
>
> I never understood the insistence to be part of LF.
>
> Regards
>
> -Harshad
>
>
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[CARVER, PAUL]

I don’t know how to convince the LF and Juniper lawyers, but I completely 
agree. I want a commercial support arrangement, but I don’t want commercial 
software that is “based on” or “derived from” Open Source. I want a commercial 
support contract for software that *IS* Open Source. The commonality of the 
naming is important because I specifically want to know that when I buy Linux 
of OpenStack or Contrail from a vendor that what they’re selling me is support 
and services, NOT permission to use proprietary software that shares x% of its 
code with an Open Source project.

To me the ideal would be multiple vendors all with their own separate groups of 
customers but with everybody agreeing that Juniper’s Open Contrail and X’s Open 
Contrail and Y’s Open Contrail are all the same software, cooperatively 
developed by Juniper and X and Y, with vendors differentiated by level of 
support, pricing, strength of presence in various countries, knowledge of 
customers’ specific industries, etc.

I know some lawyers, perhaps including AT’s lawyers, don’t like the GPL, but 
I personally do like it specifically because I like knowing that the software 
I’m paying for doesn’t merely *contain* some formerly open source code, but is 
in fact currently and will be in the future, entirely Open Source.

--
Paul Carver
VoIP: 732-545-7377
Cell: 908-803-1656
E: pcar...@att.com<mailto:pcar...@att.com>
Q Instant Message
It is difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future.


From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 03:32
To: Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

The most valuable property of Open Contrail is that it comes from the same code 
base as commercial Contrail.

Renaming it means to many customers a divorce from the original principle.

//RR

On Dec 1, 2017 05:12, "Harshad Nakil" 
<hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Forcing OpenContrail to give up identity that got us here since last five years 
is not right.
It is also being ungrateful to creativity.

I never understood the insistence to be part of LF.

Regards
-Harshad


On Nov 30, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Gregory Elkinbard 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> wrote:
I will ask the LF folks,
But please note that RedHat does not actually own, or tried to own Linux as a 
trademark.
RedHat site seems to claims that Enterprise Linux is a registered trademark it 
is actually not.

Enterprise Linux was filed and abandoned in 2008 by some magazine, RedHat filed 
Enterprise Linux Advanced Platform which also
was abandoned in 2008 and trademark was never granted according to US

http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc=4809:yjpkzi.2.3<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tmsearch.uspto.gov_bin_showfield-3Ff-3Ddoc-26state-3D4809-3Ayjpkzi.2.3=DwMFaQ=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=xtmPik_TP2fjPVGWP4yBRQ=K2P-CgQRlLroEQ4Jd1AhI3BSk_EuOqLBWu5PeCmAQYQ=c8xbJQAJq0F_fqqNshx7yXmHXLTguntXOrRf0W396BM=>
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc=4809:yjpkzi.2.1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tmsearch.uspto.gov_bin_showfield-3Ff-3Ddoc-26state-3D4809-3Ayjpkzi.2.1=DwMFaQ=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=xtmPik_TP2fjPVGWP4yBRQ=K2P-CgQRlLroEQ4Jd1AhI3BSk_EuOqLBWu5PeCmAQYQ=WhDxJk8pLArW_T54PJpc9izWFwD5TWBPAY1t-Aqa908=>

So RedHat is using Linux in the product name without owning the trademark.
They also should not have a registration mark against Enterprise Linux on their 
site as It is not a USA registered trademark.

We do need to retain Contrail as trademark not just use it in the product name.

Both internal lawyers and LF lawyers had a fit. Trust me I did not give up this 
fight easily.

Greg



From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Sachin Bansal <sban...@juniper.net<mailto:sban...@juniper.net>>
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:38 PM
To: Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

+1

I also see double standards here. They have no problem with Redhat selling a 
product with ‘Linux’ in its name.

Sachin

On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Harshad Nakil 
<hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> wrote:

+1

On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ashish Ranjan 
<aran...@live.com<mailto:aran...@live.com>> wrote:

I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation 
has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to rename this and 
create confusion (and dilute brand).

I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like

Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Robert Raszuk]

The most valuable property of Open Contrail is that it comes from the same
code base as commercial Contrail.

Renaming it means to many customers a divorce from the original principle.

//RR

On Dec 1, 2017 05:12, "Harshad Nakil" <hna...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forcing OpenContrail to give up identity that got us here since last five
> years is not right.
> It is also being ungrateful to creativity.
>
> I never understood the insistence to be part of LF.
>
>
> Regards
> -Harshad
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
> wrote:
>
> I will ask the LF folks,
>
> But please note that RedHat does not actually own, or tried to own Linux
> as a trademark.
>
> RedHat site seems to claims that Enterprise Linux is a registered
> trademark it is actually not.
>
>
>
> Enterprise Linux was filed and abandoned in 2008 by some magazine, RedHat
> filed Enterprise Linux Advanced Platform which also
>
> was abandoned in 2008 and trademark was never granted according to US
>
>
>
> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc=4809:yjpkzi.2.3
>
> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc=4809:yjpkzi.2.1
>
>
>
> So RedHat is using Linux in the product name without owning the trademark.
>
> They also should not have a registration mark against Enterprise Linux on
> their site as It is not a USA registered trademark.
>
>
>
> We do need to retain Contrail as trademark not just use it in the product
> name.
>
>
>
> Both internal lawyers and LF lawyers had a fit. Trust me I did not give up
> this fight easily.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Sachin
> Bansal <sban...@juniper.net>
> *Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:38 PM
> *To: *Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
>
> I also see double standards here. They have no problem with Redhat selling
> a product with ‘Linux’ in its name.
>
>
>
> Sachin
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ashish Ranjan <aran...@live.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux
> foundation has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to
> rename this and create confusion (and dilute brand).
>
>
>
> I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like
> Docker, Kafka) with commercial version.
>
>
>
> Ashish
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Nachi Ueno <
> nu...@juniper.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM
> *To:* Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk
> *Cc:* dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> *Subject:* Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )
>
> BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.
>
> 
> From: Randy Bias
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
> To: Robert Raszuk
> Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT -
> dun...@bluechiptek.com; dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
> Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.
>
>
> --Randy
>
>
> *** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***
>
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net rob...@raszuk.net <rob...@raszuk.net>>> wrote:
>
> Hey Nachi,
>
> > BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://
> urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.
> org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-
> ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=
> 5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-
> KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D-253Chttps-3A__urldefense.proofpoint.com_v2_url-3Fu-3Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fen.wikipedia.org-5Fwiki-5FNatt-2D25C5-2D258D-26d-3DDwMFaQ-26c-3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-2Dndb3voDTXcWzoCI-26r-3Dcvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-2D8RUttsFy-2DiNDV0QCxFA-26m-3D5ZFGzZiZpKyzy-5FicDopyHBbyzQDA2u-2Dm2oBuxWkoG8c-26s-3D8-2DDos0M5o-5Foo5UMvxqLKv-2DKsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M-26e-3D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBX

Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Harshad Nakil]

Forcing OpenContrail to give up identity that got us here since last five years 
is not right. 
It is also being ungrateful to creativity. 

I never understood the insistence to be part of LF. 


Regards
-Harshad


> On Nov 30, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net> wrote:
> 
> I will ask the LF folks,
> But please note that RedHat does not actually own, or tried to own Linux as a 
> trademark.
> RedHat site seems to claims that Enterprise Linux is a registered trademark 
> it is actually not.
>  
> Enterprise Linux was filed and abandoned in 2008 by some magazine, RedHat 
> filed Enterprise Linux Advanced Platform which also
> was abandoned in 2008 and trademark was never granted according to US
>  
> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc=4809:yjpkzi.2.3
> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc=4809:yjpkzi.2.1
>  
> So RedHat is using Linux in the product name without owning the trademark.
> They also should not have a registration mark against Enterprise Linux on 
> their site as It is not a USA registered trademark.
>  
> We do need to retain Contrail as trademark not just use it in the product 
> name.
>  
> Both internal lawyers and LF lawyers had a fit. Trust me I did not give up 
> this fight easily.
>  
> Greg
>  
>  
>  
> From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Sachin Bansal 
> <sban...@juniper.net>
> Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:38 PM
> To: Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com>
> Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>  
> +1
>  
> I also see double standards here. They have no problem with Redhat selling a 
> product with ‘Linux’ in its name.
>  
> Sachin
>  
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> +1
>  
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ashish Ranjan <aran...@live.com> wrote:
>  
> I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation 
> has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to rename this and 
> create confusion (and dilute brand).
>  
> I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like 
> Docker, Kafka) with commercial version.
>  
> Ashish
>  
> From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Nachi Ueno 
> <nu...@juniper.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM
> To: Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk
> Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>  
> then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )
> 
> BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.
> 
> 
> From: Randy Bias
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
> To: Robert Raszuk
> Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - 
> dun...@bluechiptek.com; dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
> 
> Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.
> 
> 
> --Randy
> 
> 
> *** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***
> 
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
> <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:
> 
> Hey Nachi,
> 
> > BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=>
> 
> Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?
> 
> Cheers,
> R,
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gregory Elkinbard]

Docker is a single company project. It is not owned by a foundation. Foundation 
owns Open Container Initiative.
Kafka is apache. Commercial Kafka is Confluent Platform Enterprise. For the 
same reason why there is no Hadoop in Cloudera EDH or Horton HDP

Apache trademark policy is similar to LF. It is actually more extensive and 
restrictive then LF.

Greg




From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Ashish Ranjan 
<aran...@live.com>
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:19 PM
To: Nachi Ueno <nu...@juniper.net>, Randy Bias <rb...@juniper.net>, Robert 
Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation 
has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to rename this and 
create confusion (and dilute brand).

I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like Docker, 
Kafka) with commercial version.

Ashish


From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Nachi Ueno 
<nu...@juniper.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM
To: Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )

BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.


From: Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
To: Robert Raszuk
Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - 
dun...@bluechiptek.com; dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.


--Randy


*** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***

On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
<rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D-253Chttps-3A__urldefense.proofpoint.com_v2_url-3Fu-3Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fen.wikipedia.org-5Fwiki-5FNatt-2D25C5-2D258D-26d-3DDwMFaQ-26c-3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-2Dndb3voDTXcWzoCI-26r-3Dcvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-2D8RUttsFy-2DiNDV0QCxFA-26m-3D5ZFGzZiZpKyzy-5FicDopyHBbyzQDA2u-2Dm2oBuxWkoG8c-26s-3D8-2DDos0M5o-5Foo5UMvxqLKv-2DKsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M-26e-3D=DwMFAw=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=jKu4ZgCW6bi6yL6XL7JZuw3oXxma5hXnhV-bymKVY3I=H-QGUOJ9Fa8xZrLyvJkj5O-sQ6rxTrhhT06ZaDbpqBQ=>>

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

Cheers,
R,


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Nachi Ueno]

+1

Best,
Nachi Ueno

2017/11/30 17:38、Sachin Bansal 
<sban...@juniper.net<mailto:sban...@juniper.net>>のメール:

+1

I also see double standards here. They have no problem with Redhat selling a 
product with ‘Linux’ in its name.

Sachin

On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Harshad Nakil 
<hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> wrote:

+1

On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ashish Ranjan 
<aran...@live.com<mailto:aran...@live.com>> wrote:

I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation 
has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to rename this and 
create confusion (and dilute brand).

I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like Docker, 
Kafka) with commercial version.

Ashish


From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Nachi Ueno <nu...@juniper.net<mailto:nu...@juniper.net>>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM
To: Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )

BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.


From: Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
To: Robert Raszuk
Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - 
dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>; 
dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.


--Randy


*** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***

On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
<rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net><mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D-253Chttps-3A__urldefense.proofpoint.com_v2_url-3Fu-3Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fen.wikipedia.org-5Fwiki-5FNatt-2D25C5-2D258D-26d-3DDwMFaQ-26c-3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-2Dndb3voDTXcWzoCI-26r-3Dcvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-2D8RUttsFy-2DiNDV0QCxFA-26m-3D5ZFGzZiZpKyzy-5FicDopyHBbyzQDA2u-2Dm2oBuxWkoG8c-26s-3D8-2DDos0M5o-5Foo5UMvxqLKv-2DKsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M-26e-3D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=4SMc5wJ_FVS46-BSw4dDnrpmjQWP4eg0fer2nm244qg=j-ad-zSS8GjcSywyx1CU1uUEE-eV09QgzIRaH1RoMCo=RcO-O-k8SQa2rTAO1EDy1pTqpcwE8ts7RsrumgQ_P4s=>>

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

Cheers,
R,


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Edward Ting]

IMHO, LF has a larger community than Apache in the Networking domain, like 
OPNFV, ONAP, where Telco are adopting.

Edward

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Harshad Nakil
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:21 PM
To: Ashish Ranjan
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

+1

On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ashish Ranjan 
<aran...@live.com<mailto:aran...@live.com>> wrote:

I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation 
has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to rename this and 
create confusion (and dilute brand).

I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like Docker, 
Kafka) with commercial version.

Ashish


From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Nachi Ueno <nu...@juniper.net<mailto:nu...@juniper.net>>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM
To: Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )

BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.


From: Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
To: Robert Raszuk
Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - 
dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>; 
dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.


--Randy


*** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***

On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
<rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net><mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D%3Chttps:/urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=>>

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

Cheers,
R,


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Sachin Bansal]

+1

I also see double standards here. They have no problem with Redhat selling a 
product with ‘Linux’ in its name.

Sachin

On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Harshad Nakil 
<hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> wrote:

+1

On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ashish Ranjan 
<aran...@live.com<mailto:aran...@live.com>> wrote:

I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation 
has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to rename this and 
create confusion (and dilute brand).

I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like Docker, 
Kafka) with commercial version.

Ashish


From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Nachi Ueno <nu...@juniper.net<mailto:nu...@juniper.net>>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM
To: Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )

BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.


From: Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
To: Robert Raszuk
Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - 
dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>; 
dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.


--Randy


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On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
<rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net><mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D-253Chttps-3A__urldefense.proofpoint.com_v2_url-3Fu-3Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fen.wikipedia.org-5Fwiki-5FNatt-2D25C5-2D258D-26d-3DDwMFaQ-26c-3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-2Dndb3voDTXcWzoCI-26r-3Dcvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-2D8RUttsFy-2DiNDV0QCxFA-26m-3D5ZFGzZiZpKyzy-5FicDopyHBbyzQDA2u-2Dm2oBuxWkoG8c-26s-3D8-2DDos0M5o-5Foo5UMvxqLKv-2DKsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M-26e-3D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=4SMc5wJ_FVS46-BSw4dDnrpmjQWP4eg0fer2nm244qg=j-ad-zSS8GjcSywyx1CU1uUEE-eV09QgzIRaH1RoMCo=RcO-O-k8SQa2rTAO1EDy1pTqpcwE8ts7RsrumgQ_P4s=>>

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

Cheers,
R,


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Harshad Nakil]

+1

> On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ashish Ranjan <aran...@live.com> wrote:
> 
> I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation 
> has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to rename this and 
> create confusion (and dilute brand).
> 
> I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like 
> Docker, Kafka) with commercial version.
> 
> Ashish
> 
> From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Nachi Ueno 
> <nu...@juniper.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM
> To: Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk
> Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>  
> then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )
> 
> BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.
> 
> 
> From: Randy Bias
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
> To: Robert Raszuk
> Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - 
> dun...@bluechiptek.com; dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
> 
> Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.
> 
> 
> --Randy
> 
> 
> *** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***
> 
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
> <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:
> 
> Hey Nachi,
> 
> > BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=
> >  
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D%3Chttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=>>
> 
> Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?
> 
> Cheers,
> R,
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Ashish Ranjan]

I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation 
has issues with 'contrail'. There is no way we should try to rename this and 
create confusion (and dilute brand).

I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like Docker, 
Kafka) with commercial version.

Ashish


From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Nachi Ueno 
<nu...@juniper.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM
To: Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )

BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.


From: Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
To: Robert Raszuk
Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - 
dun...@bluechiptek.com; dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.


--Randy


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On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
<rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=>

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

Cheers,
R,


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Nachi Ueno]

then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) )

BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese.


From: Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM
To: Robert Raszuk
Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - 
dun...@bluechiptek.com; dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.


--Randy


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On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
<rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M=>

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

Cheers,
R,


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Randy Bias]

Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it.


--Randy


*** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***

On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk 
> wrote:

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

Cheers,
R,

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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[CARVER, PAUL]

Could be worse:

https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2008-08-08
https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2008-08-10


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From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 17:21
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D=DwMFaQ=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg=xtmPik_TP2fjPVGWP4yBRQ=DsG6oh8uhq06HpPThcUqazIrr6E87EmTSHW0-JSiMfU=gTaKRTDVsiTH_RY8aLDezrh3XL5g-9VmtF8vgMNz1MY=>

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

Cheers,
R,

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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Nachi Ueno]

I would say network in the Japanse is 網 ( ami or mou )
Nettowaku is a Japanese way of pronouncing "network".

BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D


From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Gregory Elkinbard 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:07:25 PM
To: Gasparakis, Joseph; Randy Bias; EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Network is reto in Esperanto and Nettowaku in Japanese.



From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of "Gasparakis, 
Joseph" <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com>
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:20 PM
To: Randy Bias <rb...@juniper.net>, "EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com" 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

And I think I changed my mind about buying the domain… ☺

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:54 PM
To: EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I think that’s a pretty legitimate concern.

--Randy




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On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:41, Dave Unger 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>> wrote:
I would be concerned about “dikt” being an English homophone of “dicked” 
meaning insulted or mistreated. The potential negative connotation jumped out 
at me pretty immediately.

-DaveU

From: Randy Bias [mailto:rb...@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Abhijit Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org<mailto:gabhi...@iitbombay.org>>; 
Dave Unger <dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like a 
mouthful.

What about “networking” or similar in Greek?

…

I’ve registered 
hikoki.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__hikoki.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=sGufQkRlY6yN2RanQ-eLxxWdyO0HswcMFxIQpwAxAp0=>
 and 
dikt.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dikt.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=C7SnqfsSGek7gzno4VjMswl-PE_VA5bo0RRimJ2_uDw=>
 (diktyo == network in greek), just in case.

So I’m formally nominating 
“dikt.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dikt.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=C7SnqfsSGek7gzno4VjMswl-PE_VA5bo0RRimJ2_uDw=>”;
 it’s good, not great, but it’s short and sweet.


Best,


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Robert Raszuk]

Hey Nachi,

> BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D

Do you really want to discourage people from using it :)))  ?

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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gregory Elkinbard]

Joys of relying on google translate. Thanks for the correction.
G


On 11/30/17, 2:14 PM, "Nachi Ueno" <nu...@juniper.net> wrote:

I would say network in the Japanse is 網 ( ami or mou )
Nettowaku is a Japanese way of pronouncing "network".

BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D


From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Gregory 
Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:07:25 PM
To: Gasparakis, Joseph; Randy Bias; EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
    Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Network is reto in Esperanto and Nettowaku in Japanese.



From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of "Gasparakis, 
Joseph" <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com>
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:20 PM
To: Randy Bias <rb...@juniper.net>, "EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com" 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com>
    Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

And I think I changed my mind about buying the domain… ☺

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Randy 
Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:54 PM
To: EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I think that’s a pretty legitimate concern.

--Randy




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On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:41, Dave Unger 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>> wrote:
I would be concerned about “dikt” being an English homophone of “dicked” 
meaning insulted or mistreated. The potential negative connotation jumped out 
at me pretty immediately.

-DaveU

From: Randy Bias [mailto:rb...@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Abhijit Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org<mailto:gabhi...@iitbombay.org>>; 
Dave Unger <dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like 
a mouthful.

What about “networking” or similar in Greek?

…

I’ve registered 
hikoki.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__hikoki.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=sGufQkRlY6yN2RanQ-eLxxWdyO0HswcMFxIQpwAxAp0=>
 and 
dikt.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dikt.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=C7SnqfsSGek7gzno4VjMswl-PE_VA5bo0RRimJ2_uDw=>
 (diktyo == network in greek), just in case.

So I’m formally nominating 
“dikt.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dikt.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=C7SnqfsSGek7gzno4VjMswl-PE_VA5bo0RRimJ2_uDw=>”;
 it’s good, not great, but it’s short and sweet.


Best,


--Randy

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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gregory Elkinbard]

Network is reto in Esperanto and Nettowaku in Japanese.



From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of "Gasparakis, 
Joseph" <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com>
Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:20 PM
To: Randy Bias <rb...@juniper.net>, "EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com" 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

And I think I changed my mind about buying the domain… ☺

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:54 PM
To: EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I think that’s a pretty legitimate concern.

--Randy




*** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***

On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:41, Dave Unger 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>> wrote:
I would be concerned about “dikt” being an English homophone of “dicked” 
meaning insulted or mistreated. The potential negative connotation jumped out 
at me pretty immediately.

-DaveU

From: Randy Bias [mailto:rb...@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Abhijit Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org<mailto:gabhi...@iitbombay.org>>; 
Dave Unger <dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like a 
mouthful.

What about “networking” or similar in Greek?

…

I’ve registered 
hikoki.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__hikoki.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=sGufQkRlY6yN2RanQ-eLxxWdyO0HswcMFxIQpwAxAp0=>
 and 
dikt.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dikt.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=C7SnqfsSGek7gzno4VjMswl-PE_VA5bo0RRimJ2_uDw=>
 (diktyo == network in greek), just in case.

So I’m formally nominating 
“dikt.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__dikt.io=DwMGaQ=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI=VQrMBvKeploIeBocya36pOwODBVDvmbjFqFgowqJuhs=tHWKoFvz3Oj3gTLLibB65FQdSdRqaJFW35Hy1mv6CEA=C7SnqfsSGek7gzno4VjMswl-PE_VA5bo0RRimJ2_uDw=>”;
 it’s good, not great, but it’s short and sweet.


Best,


--Randy

Vice President, Technology & Strategy, Cloud Software
Juniper Networks
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[David bass]

I was thinking “Conductor”, but that may already be taken. Maybe do it in a 
different language?

> On Nov 30, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Gasparakis, Joseph <joseph.gaspara...@intel.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> And I think I changed my mind about buying the domain… J
>  
> From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bias
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:54 PM
> To: EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
> Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>  
> I think that’s a pretty legitimate concern. 
> 
> 
> --Randy
> 
>  
>  
> *** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***
> 
> On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:41, Dave Unger <dun...@bluechiptek.com> wrote:
> 
> I would be concerned about “dikt” being an English homophone of “dicked” 
> meaning insulted or mistreated. The potential negative connotation jumped out 
> at me pretty immediately.
>  
> -DaveU
>  
> From: Randy Bias [mailto:rb...@juniper.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
> To: Abhijit Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org>; Dave Unger 
> <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
> Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>  
> I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like a 
> mouthful.
>  
> What about “networking” or similar in Greek?
>  
> …
>  
> I’ve registered hikoki.io and dikt.io (diktyo == network in greek), just in 
> case.
>  
> So I’m formally nominating “dikt.io”; it’s good, not great, but it’s short 
> and sweet.
>  
>  
> Best,
>  
>  
> --Randy 
>  
> Vice President, Technology & Strategy, Cloud Software
> Juniper Networks
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gasparakis, Joseph]

And I think I changed my mind about buying the domain… ☺

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:54 PM
To: EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I think that’s a pretty legitimate concern.

--Randy



*** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes ***

On Nov 30, 2017, at 12:41, Dave Unger 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>> wrote:
I would be concerned about “dikt” being an English homophone of “dicked” 
meaning insulted or mistreated. The potential negative connotation jumped out 
at me pretty immediately.

-DaveU

From: Randy Bias [mailto:rb...@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Abhijit Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org<mailto:gabhi...@iitbombay.org>>; 
Dave Unger <dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like a 
mouthful.

What about “networking” or similar in Greek?

…

I’ve registered hikoki.io<http://hikoki.io> and dikt.io<http://dikt.io> (diktyo 
== network in greek), just in case.

So I’m formally nominating “dikt.io<http://dikt.io>”; it’s good, not great, but 
it’s short and sweet.


Best,


--Randy

Vice President, Technology & Strategy, Cloud Software
Juniper Networks
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Dave Unger]

I would be concerned about “dikt” being an English homophone of “dicked” 
meaning insulted or mistreated. The potential negative connotation jumped out 
at me pretty immediately.

-DaveU

From: Randy Bias [mailto:rb...@juniper.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Abhijit Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org>; Dave Unger <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like a 
mouthful.

What about “networking” or similar in Greek?

…

I’ve registered hikoki.io and dikt.io (diktyo == network in greek), just in 
case.

So I’m formally nominating “dikt.io”; it’s good, not great, but it’s short and 
sweet.


Best,


--Randy

Vice President, Technology & Strategy, Cloud Software
Juniper Networks
+1 (415) 787-2253 [Google Voice]
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Edward Ting]

+1

Edward

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Gasparakis, 
Joseph
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:46 AM
To: Randy Bias; Abhijit Gadgil; EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi all,

I am a Greek native speaker, sorry I was quiet, other than Greek native speaker 
I’ve also been sick so had narrow bandwidth ☹

From Greek native speaker’s perspective the name dikt.io couldn’t be a better 
choice ☺ It incorporates playfully Diktyo (=Network as Randy mentioned) and 
I/O… So I am all for it. Not totally sure however how it resonates with 
non-native Greek speakers which I am guessing will be the majority of the 
users/contributors ☺

Regards,

Joseph

PS: If we don’t go for dikt.io I am now seriously considering buying the 
domain! ☺

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Abhijit Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org<mailto:gabhi...@iitbombay.org>>; EXT 
- dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com> 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like a 
mouthful.

What about “networking” or similar in Greek?

…

I’ve registered hikoki.io and dikt.io (diktyo == network in greek), just in 
case.

So I’m formally nominating “dikt.io”; it’s good, not great, but it’s short and 
sweet.


Best,


--Randy

Vice President, Technology & Strategy, Cloud Software
Juniper Networks
+1 (415) 787-2253 [Google Voice]
ASSISTANT: Stephanie Concepcion, 
sconcepc...@juniper.net<mailto:sconcepc...@juniper.net>
TWITTER: @randybias
LINKEDIN: linkedin.com/in/randybias


From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Abhijit Gadgil 
<gabhi...@iitbombay.org<mailto:gabhi...@iitbombay.org>>
Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 9:03 AM
To: "EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>" 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

elenktis (any native greek speakers here?) Greek word for "Controller" - 
following inspiration from kubernetes -
Does not suffer from 'OpenFoo names'.
-abhijit

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Dave Unger 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>> wrote:

I suggest "sdnctrl". If I was a sysadmin Googling for an alternate SDN control 
plane, that's pretty close to where I would start. And I've always assumed 
contrail was chosen partially because it sounds similar to control.



-DaveU


From: Dev 
[dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>] 
on behalf of Gregory Elkinbard 
[gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:19 PM
To: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
Hey folks,
As you get your creative hats on, please remember that the name will serve to 
advertise our community and attract new users. Ideally, we would want to evoke 
what we do in the name, such as network and security.

Thanks
Greg


From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Gregory Elkinbard 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:03 PM
To: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg



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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Abhijit Gadgil]

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Randy Bias <rb...@juniper.net> wrote:

> I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like
> a mouthful.
>

So is kubernetes may be e6s? :-)


>
>
> What about “networking” or similar in Greek?
>
>
>
> …
>
>
>
> I’ve registered hikoki.io and dikt.io (diktyo == network in greek), just
> in case.
>
>
>
> So I’m formally nominating “dikt.io”; it’s good, not great, but it’s
> short and sweet.
>

+1 .


>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
>
> --Randy
>
>
>
> Vice President, Technology & Strategy, Cloud Software
>
> Juniper Networks
>
> +1 (415) 787-2253 [Google Voice]
>
> ASSISTANT: Stephanie Concepcion, sconcepc...@juniper.net
>
> TWITTER: @randybias
>
> LINKEDIN: linkedin.com/in/randybias
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Abhijit
> Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 9:03 AM
> *To: *"EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com" <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
> *Cc: *"dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> elenktis (any native greek speakers here?) Greek word for "Controller" -
> following inspiration from kubernetes -
>
> Does not suffer from 'OpenFoo names'.
>
> -abhijit
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Dave Unger <dun...@bluechiptek.com>
> wrote:
>
> I suggest "sdnctrl". If I was a sysadmin Googling for an alternate SDN
> control plane, that's pretty close to where I would start. And I've always
> assumed contrail was chosen partially because it sounds similar to control.
>
>
>
> -DaveU
> --
>
> *From:* Dev [dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] on behalf of Gregory
> Elkinbard [gelkinb...@juniper.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:19 PM
> *To:* dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> *Subject:* Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
> Hey folks,
>
> As you get your creative hats on, please remember that the name will serve
> to advertise our community and attract new users. Ideally, we would want to
> evoke what we do in the name, such as network and security.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Gregory
> Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:03 PM
> *To: *"dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
> *Subject: *[opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> Dear Community Members.
>
> Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the
> project as Juniper has Contrail product line.
>
> We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But
> I am hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.
>
>
>
> Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during
> the summit.
>
> Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently
> trademarked.
>
> If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by
> another entity.
>
>
>
> Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name,
> but will require a new name after a short transition period.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gasparakis, Joseph]

Hi all,

I am a Greek native speaker, sorry I was quiet, other than Greek native speaker 
I’ve also been sick so had narrow bandwidth ☹

From Greek native speaker’s perspective the name dikt.io couldn’t be a better 
choice ☺ It incorporates playfully Diktyo (=Network as Randy mentioned) and 
I/O… So I am all for it. Not totally sure however how it resonates with 
non-native Greek speakers which I am guessing will be the majority of the 
users/contributors ☺

Regards,

Joseph

PS: If we don’t go for dikt.io I am now seriously considering buying the 
domain! ☺

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bias
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Abhijit Gadgil <gabhi...@iitbombay.org>; EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

I like this intention (riffing off of kubernetes), but elenktis seems like a 
mouthful.

What about “networking” or similar in Greek?

…

I’ve registered hikoki.io and dikt.io (diktyo == network in greek), just in 
case.

So I’m formally nominating “dikt.io”; it’s good, not great, but it’s short and 
sweet.


Best,


--Randy

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From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Abhijit Gadgil 
<gabhi...@iitbombay.org<mailto:gabhi...@iitbombay.org>>
Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 9:03 AM
To: "EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>" 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

elenktis (any native greek speakers here?) Greek word for "Controller" - 
following inspiration from kubernetes -
Does not suffer from 'OpenFoo names'.
-abhijit

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Dave Unger 
<dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>> wrote:

I suggest "sdnctrl". If I was a sysadmin Googling for an alternate SDN control 
plane, that's pretty close to where I would start. And I've always assumed 
contrail was chosen partially because it sounds similar to control.



-DaveU


From: Dev 
[dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>] 
on behalf of Gregory Elkinbard 
[gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:19 PM
To: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
Hey folks,
As you get your creative hats on, please remember that the name will serve to 
advertise our community and attract new users. Ideally, we would want to evoke 
what we do in the name, such as network and security.

Thanks
Greg


From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Gregory Elkinbard 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:03 PM
To: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg



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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Randy Bias]

I don’t think it is necessarily a requirement that it be trademarked.  Mostly 
we need it fairly unique.



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From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Buddy Yaussy 
<bud...@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 1:35 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Don’t know if it would be able to be trademarked, without some kind of 
variation on the name, but I like:

Constable

As relating to directing traffic, etc.

Buddy Yaussy
Principal Member Technical Staff
AT Foundry

404.539.9559

On Nov 28, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Gregory Elkinbard 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> wrote:
Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg

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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Abhijit Gadgil]

elenktis (any native greek speakers here?) Greek word for "Controller" -
following inspiration from kubernetes -

Does not suffer from 'OpenFoo names'.

-abhijit


On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Dave Unger <dun...@bluechiptek.com> wrote:

> I suggest "sdnctrl". If I was a sysadmin Googling for an alternate SDN
> control plane, that's pretty close to where I would start. And I've always
> assumed contrail was chosen partially because it sounds similar to control.
>
>
>
> -DaveU
> --
> *From:* Dev [dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] on behalf of Gregory
> Elkinbard [gelkinb...@juniper.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:19 PM
> *To:* dev@lists.opencontrail.org
> *Subject:* Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
> Hey folks,
>
> As you get your creative hats on, please remember that the name will serve
> to advertise our community and attract new users. Ideally, we would want to
> evoke what we do in the name, such as network and security.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Gregory
> Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:03 PM
> *To: *"dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
> *Subject: *[opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
>
>
>
> Dear Community Members.
>
> Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the
> project as Juniper has Contrail product line.
>
> We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But
> I am hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.
>
>
>
> Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during
> the summit.
>
> Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently
> trademarked.
>
> If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by
> another entity.
>
>
>
> Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name,
> but will require a new name after a short transition period.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
>
>
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Nabeel Asim]

Another option could be Open NetTrail. 


Regards,
Nabeel


-Original Message-
From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Valentine 
Sinitsyn
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 2:59 AM
To: Randy Bias <rb...@juniper.net>; saim.k...@colorado.edu; 
ext-edgar.mag...@workday.com <edgar.mag...@workday.com>
Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

What about JetTrail?

It retains the original meaning (sort of), it's recognizable (hopefully) and 
not trademarked, as it's too generic.

Valentine

On 29.11.2017 02:37, Randy Bias wrote:
> I’m going to recommend we avoid anything with “vapor” in it due to the 
> possible negative connotations.
> 
> --Randy
> 
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> 
> Juniper Networks
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> *From: *Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Saim 
> Khan <saim.k...@colorado.edu>
> *Reply-To: *"saim.k...@colorado.edu" <saim.k...@colorado.edu>
> *Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:46 PM
> *To: *"ext-edgar.mag...@workday.com" <edgar.mag...@workday.com>
> *Cc: *"dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> How about Open-VaporTrail. Meaning remains the same.
> 
> On 28-Nov-2017 12:25 PM, "Edgar Magana" <edgar.mag...@workday.com 
> <mailto:edgar.mag...@workday.com>> wrote:
> 
> What about keeping the Open with something like “OpenVRouter”?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Rob Hirschfeld <r...@rackn.com
> <mailto:r...@rackn.com>> wrote:
> 
>   from the school of less change is better... "ComRail"
> http://comrail.com/
> 
> <https://secure-web.cisco.com/1gGnyP8nZr1t33Q13gGyfMz69n-KjV2ZOg82vu_tRzqa0kezfPpqQGN0x2xb-0VwZMxgjdiJgs4XdfHTgnWd_w-TBlT2QvRDKT6EfcEEXnKpU6XhZ-hwLa97heEnVlonXAsHIKrrQKtPUnkeJ_mzvAdH3JUBmf0jnXU694OcnXCz88jYlDdbmckaTU0_6asv09MvdSXfMwOMXmoRAkRua_NJ59OsbtqMh_lLMTZpIFgR-9LYbWt_-IZnwFked-gKwIuYNmWJ5YD6ZJQshcRqVvULWqYwjpMyUOTNB6oV2EXiv0i2UVvozD3XX40icypHcR8piO673b8JTh7TFfePu_AG9kmkOmOqXLReD-4kP0IBVx4O6wBx3MFMzHbSkKMWH5q0Wqyu3-p4nj-CTK8NsByY0jVAwt_07Zf-RCZP5Wx9rvTqDTc6AP0-gp4CLMlc-/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__comrail.com_%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DDS6PUFBBr_KiLo7Sjt3ljp5jaW5k2i9ijVXllEdOozc%26r%3DG0XRJfDQsuBvqa_wpWyDAUlSpeMV4W1qfWqBfctlWwQ%26m%3Da1tDhXPSiSxR9m0wwexohP7j396-WzV8Sj2cwWhHezw%26s%3DJ32TU3dT-NE_4CUgfZdUiDxWkJri3lL5R9PI1EKG75I%26e%3D>
>  is
> actually available.
> 
> sort of like the Food Lion vs Food Town history, but may be enough.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM Foucault de Bonneval
> <fouca...@thaumiers.com <mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Got a couple of ideas :
> 
> - "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
> 
> - "One0six" as the first version release deployed in
> production by a few of us
> 
> 'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Foucault
> 
> Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard"
> <gelkinb...@juniper.net <mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> a
> écrit :
> 
> Dear Community Members.
> 
> Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a
> trademark to the project as Juniper has Contrail product
> line.
> 
> We need to select a different name. Legal team has
> offered OpenVTrail. But I am hoping that folks can come
> up with something cooler.
> 
> Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4^th and lets
> discuss it during the summit.
> 
> Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and
> not currently trademarked.
> 
> If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can
> be trademarked by another entity.
> 
> Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the
> OpenContrail name, but will require a new name after a
> short transition period.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>   

Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Nabeel Asim]

+1

 

Regards,

Nabeel

 

From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 5:07 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Cc: Ankur Singla <asin...@juniper.net>; dev@lists.opencontrail.org
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

 

While I suggested DCV before to Greg offline the real question here is if you 
want this to be a new name independent from Juniper's parent or something which 
is still seen as maintaining this relation going forward. 

 

If the latter how about simply: Kontrail ? 

 

Legally different - product wise quite similar :) 

 

Best,

R.

 

 

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net 
<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net> > wrote:

Registered by Hitachi.

Unrelated to computers, but they can still sue.

Strimmor – which is contrail in Swedish is still open.

 

Greg

 

 

 

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<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> > on behalf of Randy Bias 
<rb...@juniper.net <mailto:rb...@juniper.net> >
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:38 PM
To: Ankur Singla <asin...@juniper.net <mailto:asin...@juniper.net> >, 
"dev@lists.opencontrail.org <mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> " 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org <mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> >


Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

 

This is pretty good.  +1

 

 

 

--Randy 

 

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Juniper Networks

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From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org 
<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> > on behalf of Ankur Singla 
<asin...@juniper.net <mailto:asin...@juniper.net> >
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:04 PM
To: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org <mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> " 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org <mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> >
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

 

 

I would nominate “Hikoki” - it means Contrail in Japanese. 

 

 

 

 

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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:22:36 +
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>
To: Foucault de Bonneval <fouca...@thaumiers.com 
<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com> >
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org <mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> " 
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Personal names cannot be trademarked in general in USA, unless the name is 
unique and the person doing the trademarking owns the name or choses to assign 
his rights.

I will add One0six the list

Thanks
Greg


From: Foucault de Bonneval <fouca...@thaumiers.com 
<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com> >
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net <mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net> >
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org <mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> " 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org <mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> >
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard" <gelkinb...@juniper.net 
<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net> <mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> a ?crit :
Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Valentine Sinitsyn]

What about JetTrail?

It retains the original meaning (sort of), it's recognizable (hopefully) 
and not trademarked, as it's too generic.


Valentine

On 29.11.2017 02:37, Randy Bias wrote:
I’m going to recommend we avoid anything with “vapor” in it due to the 
possible negative connotations.


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Juniper Networks

+1 (415) 787-2253 [Google Voice]

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<mailto:sconcepc...@juniper.net>


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*From: *Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Saim Khan 
<saim.k...@colorado.edu>

*Reply-To: *"saim.k...@colorado.edu" <saim.k...@colorado.edu>
*Date: *Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:46 PM
*To: *"ext-edgar.mag...@workday.com" <edgar.mag...@workday.com>
*Cc: *"dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
*Subject: *Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi All,

How about Open-VaporTrail. Meaning remains the same.

On 28-Nov-2017 12:25 PM, "Edgar Magana" <edgar.mag...@workday.com 
<mailto:edgar.mag...@workday.com>> wrote:


What about keeping the Open with something like “OpenVRouter”?

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Rob Hirschfeld <r...@rackn.com
<mailto:r...@rackn.com>> wrote:

  from the school of less change is better... "ComRail"
http://comrail.com/

<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1gGnyP8nZr1t33Q13gGyfMz69n-KjV2ZOg82vu_tRzqa0kezfPpqQGN0x2xb-0VwZMxgjdiJgs4XdfHTgnWd_w-TBlT2QvRDKT6EfcEEXnKpU6XhZ-hwLa97heEnVlonXAsHIKrrQKtPUnkeJ_mzvAdH3JUBmf0jnXU694OcnXCz88jYlDdbmckaTU0_6asv09MvdSXfMwOMXmoRAkRua_NJ59OsbtqMh_lLMTZpIFgR-9LYbWt_-IZnwFked-gKwIuYNmWJ5YD6ZJQshcRqVvULWqYwjpMyUOTNB6oV2EXiv0i2UVvozD3XX40icypHcR8piO673b8JTh7TFfePu_AG9kmkOmOqXLReD-4kP0IBVx4O6wBx3MFMzHbSkKMWH5q0Wqyu3-p4nj-CTK8NsByY0jVAwt_07Zf-RCZP5Wx9rvTqDTc6AP0-gp4CLMlc-/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__comrail.com_%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DDS6PUFBBr_KiLo7Sjt3ljp5jaW5k2i9ijVXllEdOozc%26r%3DG0XRJfDQsuBvqa_wpWyDAUlSpeMV4W1qfWqBfctlWwQ%26m%3Da1tDhXPSiSxR9m0wwexohP7j396-WzV8Sj2cwWhHezw%26s%3DJ32TU3dT-NE_4CUgfZdUiDxWkJri3lL5R9PI1EKG75I%26e%3D>
 is
actually available.

sort of like the Food Lion vs Food Town history, but may be enough.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM Foucault de Bonneval
<fouca...@thaumiers.com <mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>> wrote:

Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :

- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO

- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in
production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.

Enjoy,

Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard"
<gelkinb...@juniper.net <mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> a
écrit :

Dear Community Members.

Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a
trademark to the project as Juniper has Contrail product
line.

We need to select a different name. Legal team has
offered OpenVTrail. But I am hoping that folks can come
up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4^th and lets
discuss it during the summit.

Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and
not currently trademarked.

If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can
be trademarked by another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the
OpenContrail name, but will require a new name after a
short transition period.

Thanks

Greg


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Randy Bias]

I respectfully request we avoid lawyering while discussing a new name.  Let’s 
focus on something that we love and are proud of.  Something that gets people 
excited about the project.

Hopefully we will wind up with 5-10 great choices.  At that point we’ll get 
some legal opinions and then shortlist and vote on it.


Thank you,


--Randy

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From: <rras...@gmail.com> on behalf of Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 2:06 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Cc: Randy Bias <rb...@juniper.net>, Ankur Singla <asin...@juniper.net>, 
"dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

While I suggested DCV before to Greg offline the real question here is if you 
want this to be a new name independent from Juniper's parent or something which 
is still seen as maintaining this relation going forward.

If the latter how about simply: Kontrail ?

Legally different - product wise quite similar :)

Best,
R.


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Gregory Elkinbard 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> wrote:
Registered by Hitachi.
Unrelated to computers, but they can still sue.
Strimmor – which is contrail in Swedish is still open.

Greg



From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Randy Bias <rb...@juniper.net<mailto:rb...@juniper.net>>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:38 PM
To: Ankur Singla <asin...@juniper.net<mailto:asin...@juniper.net>>, 
"dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>

Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

This is pretty good.  +1



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From: Dev 
<dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> 
on behalf of Ankur Singla <asin...@juniper.net<mailto:asin...@juniper.net>>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:04 PM
To: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name


I would nominate “Hikoki” - it means Contrail in Japanese.




Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:22:36 +
From: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
To: Foucault de Bonneval <fouca...@thaumiers.com<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
Message-ID: 
<3294f545-2242-4d69-ac62-15b918dc3...@juniper.net<mailto:3294f545-2242-4d69-ac62-15b918dc3...@juniper.net>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Personal names cannot be trademarked in general in USA, unless the name is 
unique and the person doing the trademarking owns the name or choses to assign 
his rights.

I will add One0six the list

Thanks
Greg


From: Foucault de Bonneval 
<fouca...@thaumiers.com<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard" 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net><mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
 a ?crit :
Dear Community Members.
Linux Founda

Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gregory Elkinbard]

Registered by Hitachi.
Unrelated to computers, but they can still sue.
Strimmor – which is contrail in Swedish is still open.

Greg



From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Randy Bias 
<rb...@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:38 PM
To: Ankur Singla <asin...@juniper.net>, "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

This is pretty good.  +1



--Randy

Vice President, Technology & Strategy, Cloud Software
Juniper Networks
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TWITTER: @randybias
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From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Ankur Singla 
<asin...@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 1:04 PM
To: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name


I would nominate “Hikoki” - it means Contrail in Japanese.




Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:22:36 +
From: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
To: Foucault de Bonneval <fouca...@thaumiers.com<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
Message-ID: 
<3294f545-2242-4d69-ac62-15b918dc3...@juniper.net<mailto:3294f545-2242-4d69-ac62-15b918dc3...@juniper.net>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Personal names cannot be trademarked in general in USA, unless the name is 
unique and the person doing the trademarking owns the name or choses to assign 
his rights.

I will add One0six the list

Thanks
Greg


From: Foucault de Bonneval 
<fouca...@thaumiers.com<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard" 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net><mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
 a ?crit :
Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Randy Bias]

I’m going to recommend we avoid anything with “vapor” in it due to the possible 
negative connotations.


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From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Saim Khan 
<saim.k...@colorado.edu>
Reply-To: "saim.k...@colorado.edu" <saim.k...@colorado.edu>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:46 PM
To: "ext-edgar.mag...@workday.com" <edgar.mag...@workday.com>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi All,

How about Open-VaporTrail. Meaning remains the same.

On 28-Nov-2017 12:25 PM, "Edgar Magana" 
<edgar.mag...@workday.com<mailto:edgar.mag...@workday.com>> wrote:
What about keeping the Open with something like “OpenVRouter”?
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Rob Hirschfeld 
<r...@rackn.com<mailto:r...@rackn.com>> wrote:
 from the school of less change is better... "ComRail"  
http://comrail.com/<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1gGnyP8nZr1t33Q13gGyfMz69n-KjV2ZOg82vu_tRzqa0kezfPpqQGN0x2xb-0VwZMxgjdiJgs4XdfHTgnWd_w-TBlT2QvRDKT6EfcEEXnKpU6XhZ-hwLa97heEnVlonXAsHIKrrQKtPUnkeJ_mzvAdH3JUBmf0jnXU694OcnXCz88jYlDdbmckaTU0_6asv09MvdSXfMwOMXmoRAkRua_NJ59OsbtqMh_lLMTZpIFgR-9LYbWt_-IZnwFked-gKwIuYNmWJ5YD6ZJQshcRqVvULWqYwjpMyUOTNB6oV2EXiv0i2UVvozD3XX40icypHcR8piO673b8JTh7TFfePu_AG9kmkOmOqXLReD-4kP0IBVx4O6wBx3MFMzHbSkKMWH5q0Wqyu3-p4nj-CTK8NsByY0jVAwt_07Zf-RCZP5Wx9rvTqDTc6AP0-gp4CLMlc-/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__comrail.com_%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DDS6PUFBBr_KiLo7Sjt3ljp5jaW5k2i9ijVXllEdOozc%26r%3DG0XRJfDQsuBvqa_wpWyDAUlSpeMV4W1qfWqBfctlWwQ%26m%3Da1tDhXPSiSxR9m0wwexohP7j396-WzV8Sj2cwWhHezw%26s%3DJ32TU3dT-NE_4CUgfZdUiDxWkJri3lL5R9PI1EKG75I%26e%3D>
 is actually available.

sort of like the Food Lion vs Food Town history, but may be enough.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM Foucault de Bonneval 
<fouca...@thaumiers.com<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>> wrote:
Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard" 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> a écrit :
Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Ankur Singla]

I would nominate “Hikoki” - it means Contrail in Japanese.




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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:22:36 +
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To: Foucault de Bonneval <fouca...@thaumiers.com<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
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Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Personal names cannot be trademarked in general in USA, unless the name is 
unique and the person doing the trademarking owns the name or choses to assign 
his rights.

I will add One0six the list

Thanks
Greg


From: Foucault de Bonneval 
<fouca...@thaumiers.com<mailto:fouca...@thaumiers.com>>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" 
<dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard" 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net><mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>>
 a ?crit :
Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Saim Khan]

Hi All,

How about Open-VaporTrail. Meaning remains the same.

On 28-Nov-2017 12:25 PM, "Edgar Magana"  wrote:

> What about keeping the Open with something like “OpenVRouter”?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Rob Hirschfeld  wrote:
>
>  from the school of less change is better... "ComRail"
> http://comrail.com/
> 
>  is
> actually available.
>
> sort of like the Food Lion vs Food Town history, but may be enough.
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM Foucault de Bonneval <
> fouca...@thaumiers.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Got a couple of ideas :
>> - "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
>> - "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few
>> of us
>>
>> 'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Foucault
>>
>> Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard"  a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Dear Community Members.
>>>
>>> Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the
>>> project as Juniper has Contrail product line.
>>>
>>> We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail.
>>> But I am hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it
>>> during the summit.
>>>
>>> Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently
>>> trademarked.
>>>
>>> If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked
>>> by another entity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name,
>>> but will require a new name after a short transition period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gregory Elkinbard]

List of names proposed is here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tSx3PLQbyojqJZHStl6fetDU3lX5774mItajbFWOccc/edit



From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Gregory Elkinbard 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:23 PM
To: Foucault de Bonneval <fouca...@thaumiers.com>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Personal names cannot be trademarked in general in USA, unless the name is 
unique and the person doing the trademarking owns the name or choses to assign 
his rights.

I will add One0six the list

Thanks
Greg


From: Foucault de Bonneval <fouca...@thaumiers.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard" 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> a écrit :
Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gregory Elkinbard]

Personal names cannot be trademarked in general in USA, unless the name is 
unique and the person doing the trademarking owns the name or choses to assign 
his rights.

I will add One0six the list

Thanks
Greg


From: Foucault de Bonneval <fouca...@thaumiers.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net>
Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard" 
<gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> a écrit :
Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gregory Elkinbard]

Hey folks,
As you get your creative hats on, please remember that the name will serve to 
advertise our community and attract new users. Ideally, we would want to evoke 
what we do in the name, such as network and security.

Thanks
Greg


From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org> on behalf of Gregory Elkinbard 
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Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:03 PM
To: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org>
Subject: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Edgar Magana]

What about keeping the Open with something like “OpenVRouter”?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 28, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Rob Hirschfeld 
> wrote:

 from the school of less change is better... "ComRail"  
http://comrail.com/
 is actually available.

sort of like the Food Lion vs Food Town history, but may be enough.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM Foucault de Bonneval 
> wrote:
Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard" 
> a écrit :
Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
Greg


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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Rob Hirschfeld]

 from the school of less change is better... "ComRail"  http://comrail.com/ is
actually available.

sort of like the Food Lion vs Food Town history, but may be enough.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:07 PM Foucault de Bonneval <
fouca...@thaumiers.com> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Got a couple of ideas :
> - "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
> - "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few
> of us
>
> 'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.
>
>
> Enjoy,
> Foucault
>
> Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard"  a
> écrit :
>
>> Dear Community Members.
>>
>> Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the
>> project as Juniper has Contrail product line.
>>
>> We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail.
>> But I am hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it
>> during the summit.
>>
>> Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently
>> trademarked.
>>
>> If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked
>> by another entity.
>>
>>
>>
>> Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name,
>> but will require a new name after a short transition period.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
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Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Foucault de Bonneval]

Hi there,

Got a couple of ideas :
- "Ankur" as a mark of respect to Contrail System's CEO
- "One0six" as the first version release deployed in production by a few of
us

'Am no marketing guy as could have guessed from my proposals.


Enjoy,
Foucault

Le 28 nov. 2017 8:27 PM, "Gregory Elkinbard"  a
écrit :

> Dear Community Members.
>
> Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the
> project as Juniper has Contrail product line.
>
> We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But
> I am hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.
>
>
>
> Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during
> the summit.
>
> Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently
> trademarked.
>
> If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by
> another entity.
>
>
>
> Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name,
> but will require a new name after a short transition period.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
>
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[opencontrail-dev] We need a new name

[Gregory Elkinbard]

Dear Community Members.
Linux Foundation is unable to accept OpenContrail as a trademark to the project 
as Juniper has Contrail product line.
We need to select a different name. Legal team has offered OpenVTrail. But I am 
hoping that folks can come up with something cooler.

Please send in your name proposals, by Dec 4th and lets discuss it during the 
summit.
Requirements for the name. Full name must be unique and not currently 
trademarked.
If the name is a composite, no part of the composite can be trademarked by 
another entity.

Linux foundation can temporarily accept us under the OpenContrail name, but 
will require a new name after a short transition period.

Thanks
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