Re: OFBiz and how to move forward (was Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07)

2014-11-10 Thread Scott Gray
> Diminishing the project to something that Scott would like to result in (a > project that only works on - in a debatable order of importance - frame > work elements, base registers as party, order and product, and e-commerce) > is, in my opinion, a path to the ASF attic. I completely disagree wi

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-10 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
Hi Ron, I really hope you are right on your vision for this. What you said makes sense and needs some testing to affirm it. Sign me up for the birt component as well as bootstrap for now if this goes forward! Taher Alkhateeb

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-10 Thread Ron Wheeler
ly encourage the initial suggestion by Jacopo. I think other suggestions would probably kill any less heavily maintained components. Taher Alkhateeb - Original Message - From: "Ron Wheeler" To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2014 9:29:05 PM Subject: Re: How to use Proj

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-10 Thread Ron Wheeler
doing the "real" heavy work. So for my 2 cents, I still strongly encourage the initial suggestion by Jacopo. I think other suggestions would probably kill any less heavily maintained components. Taher Alkhateeb - Original Message - From: "Ron Wheeler" <mailto:rwhee..

OFBiz and how to move forward (was Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07)

2014-11-10 Thread Pierre Smits
Hi All, In the thread suggestion have been made to move applications (as a fork/split off) away from the Apache OFBiz project to be maintained by other people. This is part of an ongoing discussion that started back in 2012 (if I recall correctly). Back then this didn't lead to consensus. Now it a

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-10 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
p the focus within Apache OFBiz rather than fork the parts into outside > open source projects which is the current direction. > >>> > >>> Ron > >>> > >>> > >>> On 07/11/2014 2:08 PM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote: > >>>> Hi Everyone, &g

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-09 Thread Scott Gray
gt; On 07/11/2014 2:08 PM, Taher Alkhateeb wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I do not have a long history with the OFBiz project to understand its >>>> history, but from the last few years I noticed the following: >>>> >>>> - The syst

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-09 Thread Ron Wheeler
by Jacopo. I think other suggestions would probably kill any less heavily maintained components. Taher Alkhateeb - Original Message ----- From: "Ron Wheeler" To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2014 9:29:05 PM Subject: Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07 I was trying t

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Adrian Crum
Alkhateeb - Original Message - From: "Ron Wheeler" To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2014 9:29:05 PM Subject: Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07 I was trying to find some Apache docs about what is involved. Separating the SCM controls so that the sub-project

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Scott Gray
>> commit access and all of that stuff does not make sense when you barely have >> enough experienced people maintaining the code. I see only a few names over >> and over who are doing the "real" heavy work. >> >> So for my 2 cents, I still strongly encou

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Ron Wheeler
ions would probably kill any less heavily maintained components. Taher Alkhateeb - Original Message - From: "Ron Wheeler" To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2014 9:29:05 PM Subject: Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07 I was trying to find some Apache docs ab

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
l strongly encourage the initial suggestion by Jacopo. I think other suggestions would probably kill any less heavily maintained components. Taher Alkhateeb - Original Message - From: "Ron Wheeler" To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2014 9:29:05 PM Sub

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Ron Wheeler
I was trying to find some Apache docs about what is involved. Separating the SCM controls so that the sub-projects can have their own committers is an important task. Any idea about what else is required? In any case, it would be the people who want to support the sub-project to do the paperwo

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
I am fine with the idea of encouraging the growth of an ecosystem of *projects* about OFBiz (not necessarily all within the ASF) but I disagree that they should be *sub-projects* of OFBiz, mostly because sub-projects just add complexity within the OFBiz community (with more paperwork required).

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Julien NICOLAS
Hi All, I agree that hot-deploy component don't have to be installed with the core project by default. But in the other hand it could be interesting to be aware of those projects. When I read this topics, it seems matching with an extension manager... French community is working on this exte

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Adrian Crum
I agree with a separate community approach, for these reasons: The special purpose components started out as little demonstrations of how OFBiz can be extended to role-specific applications. Since then, some of those components have expanded into full-featured applications - so the overhead of

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Ron Wheeler
I may be beating a dead horse but what Jacopo is proposing and the concern that Jacques raised about resources would seem to fit very well into a sub-project structure. Split these modules out of the main line into their own OFBiz sub-projects where they could attract their own resources (commit

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I'm all for it, good idea! Jacques Le 07/11/2014 13:11, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : Hi Jacopo, Well thought and a good suggestion IMHO. Definitely a good middle ground solution that supports all components and keeps things alive Taher Alkhateeb Taher Alkhateeb On Nov 7, 2014 3:05 PM, "Jacopo C

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
Hi Jacopo, Well thought and a good suggestion IMHO. Definitely a good middle ground solution that supports all components and keeps things alive Taher Alkhateeb Taher Alkhateeb On Nov 7, 2014 3:05 PM, "Jacopo Cappellato" < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: > On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:36 PM,

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > This will no longer work for some components (scrum for instance) > > I believe we could be reintroduce some specialpurpose component in next > release, There is a difference between including them in a release branch and including them i

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Taher Alkhateeb
Hi Jacques, Birt is definitely important for us Taher Alkhateeb On Nov 7, 2014 2:40 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" wrote: > This will no longer work for some components (scrum for instance) > > I believe we could be reintroduce some specialpurpose component in next > release, as long as they are backed

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-11-07 Thread Jacques Le Roux
This will no longer work for some components (scrum for instance) I believe we could be reintroduce some specialpurpose component in next release, as long as they are backed by some efforts, come to mind project manager (Pierre Smits?) scrum (Hans?) examples and ext (at least me) myportal (Frenc

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-10-21 Thread gil portenseigne
I've never used svn external property, just discovering. That sounds usefull and i'll try it out ! Thanks for the advice ! Gil On 20/10/2014 19:08, Jacques Le Roux wrote: I use svn external in the stable demo, already explained that in the MLs: see https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-10-20 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I use svn external in the stable demo, already explained that in the MLs: see https://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/trunk/tools/demo-backup/branch13.7-demo.patch?view=markup You can use the same to keep in sync, only consider projectmgr in your case. Since there is no projectmgr in R13.07 the risk

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-10-20 Thread gil portenseigne
Hi Jacopo, Ok then, i will have to re-synchronize new trunk devs each time i'll feel it necessary. My fear is about incompatibility between 13.07 and trunk technologies, but that won't happen soon, or i might backport the evolution into my local environment. That will do the job ! Thanks G

Re: How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-10-20 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Hi Gil, I would suggest to check it out from the trunk to the hot-deploy folder of 13.07: cd hot-deploy svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/trunk/specialpurpose/projectmgr Jacopo On Oct 20, 2014, at 4:11 PM, gil portenseigne wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't want to relaunch the debat

How to use ProjectMgr in 13.07

2014-10-20 Thread gil portenseigne
Hi all, I don't want to relaunch the debate around including the projectMgmt component into the 13.07 release, but i have a question : What is the best way to import the projectMgr component in my local 13.07 checkout environment, to start using it in a real project and to contribute on upgr