On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
My take
Hi Rob,
But whatever the reason, I think it demonstrates that vote counts from
the earlier years are extremely difficult to compare fairly with
recent vote counts. And the fact that we don't even have a formal RFE
for iOS or Android, even though we get daily requests for this via
other means
On 3/18/2013 11:12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
...
- Dennis
PS: My all-time favorite unreconcilable voted-for issue is the request for Reveal
Codes in the manner of WordPerfect.
Hi, Dennis,
This is one of my favorites, too, and you might be of great help to my
work. I read somewhere that
: Thursday, March 21, 2013 02:10
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On 3/18/2013 11:12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
...
- Dennis
PS: My all-time favorite unreconcilable voted-for issue is the request for
Reveal Codes in the manner of WordPerfect.
Hi
/Reveal_Codes
/tj/
-Original Message-
From: TJ Frazier [mailto:tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 02:10
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On 3/18/2013 11:12, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
...
- Dennis
PS: My all-time favorite
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Guenter Marxen
guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have a little bit the impression, that Rob and Jürgen are not
understanding, what is meant.
There is no demand, that special issues shouldt be resolved asap.
There is no demand, to give a date or
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
Hagar Delest wrote:
if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
decisions
Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a
user can vote for and votes can be
Hi Rob,
maybe it has other reasons like missing access to the former OOo login
on the Apache infrastructure eg. one thing that went wrong with my OOo
account.
There could be several reasons for this:
1) Older issues are better issues because they were entered by smarter
people. But then
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi Rob,
maybe it has other reasons like missing access to the former OOo login on
the Apache infrastructure eg. one thing that went wrong with my OOo account.
But that doesn't explain the steady decline from 2002 to
Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
Hagar Delest wrote:
if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
decisions
Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a
user can vote for and
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Keith N. McKenna
keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
wrote:
Hagar Delest wrote:
if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
decisions
Resetting
Weir robw...@apache.org
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Keith N. McKenna
keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote:
Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti
On 3/20/13, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
wrote:
Hagar Delest wrote:
if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
decisions
Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I was curious to check my intuition on this. So with a bit of effort
I was able to get the following data out of Bugzilla, showing the
yearly percentage of enhancement or feature issue types have had at
least one vote. So it
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I was curious to check my intuition on this. So with a bit of effort
I was able to get the following data out of Bugzilla, showing the
yearly
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Now, if we had a way to get the detailed counts on issues, and do this
over time, then we could find a way of highlighting trending issues,
e.g., those that have recently been getting more votes, or more
comments. (The number
Top post.
Since it's rather clear that there will never be any agreement about this, why
doesn't PMC start a [Vote]?
This topic is eating energy for nothing. There is no point arguing furthermore.
If I understand correctly the problem (even if it was not exactly the initial
point from Jörg),
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote:
Top post.
Since it's rather clear that there will never be any agreement about this,
why doesn't PMC start a [Vote]?
This topic is eating energy for nothing. There is no point arguing
furthermore.
If I understand
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
anything, and in effect continue to ignore the votes. Whether they
are reset or ignored is immaterial to me. I'll just work on better
and more accurate ways
Le 20/03/2013 22:03, Rob Weir a écrit :
My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
anything, and in effect continue to ignore the votes. Whether they
are reset or ignored is immaterial to me. I'll just work on better
and more accurate ways of getting user feedback, that
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
anything, and in effect continue to ignore the votes. Whether they
are reset or
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Donald Whytock dwhyt...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
My take away from the thread was that the preference is not to do
anything, and in
.
The title of the tread is A question about existing practices. I
think the facts are quite clear. If we have many 10 year old
untouched BZ issues then fixing these issues is not part of our
existing practice, whether you define that as mandatory, voluntary or
whatever.
No problem.
Practice is what we
On 19 March 2013 01:21, Guenter Marxen guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote:
I always have accepted, that the lack of ressources/developers prevents to
solve some/many issues in time, but I could hardly accept, that old
stuff in bugzilla is reset/deleted and hence forgotten. I think, that some
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are
more in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I trust their
judgement.
2013/3/19 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are
more in touch with users have stated that
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/3/19 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/3/19 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 18.03.2013 19:05,
On 3/19/13 5:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/3/19 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Guenter Marxen
guenter.mar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
There is no
Hi,
I have a little bit the impression, that Rob and Jürgen are not
understanding, what is meant.
There is no demand, that special issues shouldt be resolved asap.
There is no demand, to give a date or release, when the issue is resolved.
There is only the wish, issues not to reset or to
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sorry, I don't mean to say you did anything wrong. Not at all. But I
do believe that there are only a small number real obligations for
what kinds of issues we absolutely must address in the code:
1) We must respond
On 3/17/13 10:13 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
Any attempt to reset the votes would mean that once more, high scores
are just ignored.
Of course, nobody would browse the whole list of existing bugs, even to
recast their own votes. So reseting the votes would only lead to forget
about old bugs or
-Original Message-
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com]
This would be a very interesting approach that of course is indeed not
completely new. If we wouldn't have useful patches in BZ I personally
would of course support such an approach. Having a clean and fresh BZ
Hi,
sorry, for top-posting, but I have a general remark.
From my point of view the discussion on this thread went into the wrong
direction.
I think Jörg just mentioned issue 3959 as an _example_ for feedback from
users regarding feature requests via Bugzilla votes. I also think that
Jörg
-Original Message-
From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:41 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
Hi,
sorry, for top-posting, but I have a general remark.
From my point
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann [mailto:orwittm...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:41 AM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
Hi
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
A promise to do what?
The opinion of the user to be taken seriously because you have asked him to
speak his mind.
But a feature request?
This is an opinion of our users. It should be important to us.
I see zero obligation, legal, [...],
On 3/18/13 1:49 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
A promise to do what?
The opinion of the user to be taken seriously because you have asked him to
speak his mind.
But a feature request?
This is an opinion of our users. It should be important
mean: es kommt auf den Tonfall an mit
dem wir öffentlich etwas sagen)
moral
I think so.
It's about respect for what we bring to our users, because it is a
fundamental difference between what we need to do and what we should do so
voluntarily.
The title of the tread is A question about
of the tread is A question about existing practices. I
think the facts are quite clear. If we have many 10 year old
untouched BZ issues then fixing these issues is not part of our
existing practice, whether you define that as mandatory, voluntary or
whatever.
No problem.
Practice is what we do
for using AOO.
Sounds fine for me.
The title of the tread is A question about existing practices. I
think the facts are quite clear. If we have many 10 year old
untouched BZ issues then fixing these issues is not part of our
existing practice, whether you define that as mandatory, voluntary
the source of ideas that
make it into the product. Thank you for using AOO.
Sounds fine for me.
The title of the tread is A question about existing practices. I
think the facts are quite clear. If we have many 10 year old
untouched BZ issues then fixing these issues is not part of our
in the manner of WordPerfect.
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 06:13
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
From: Rob Weir
, 2013 06:13
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
A promise to do what?
The opinion of the user to be taken seriously because you
suggestions
seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas that
make it into the product. Thank you for using AOO.
Sounds fine for me.
The title of the tread is A question about existing practices. I
think the facts are quite clear. If we have many 10 year old
...@apache.org]
I'd say, Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions
seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas that
make it into the product. Thank you for using AOO.
Sounds fine for me.
The title of the tread is A question about existing practices. I
think
: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
I'd say, Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions
seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas that
make it into the product. Thank you for using AOO.
Sounds fine for me.
The title of the tread is A question about existing
@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: A question about existing practices
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
A promise to do what?
The opinion of the user to be taken seriously because you have asked him to
speak his
]
I'd say, Thanks for the suggestion. We take all suggestions
seriously, and user suggestions are often the source of ideas that
make it into the product. Thank you for using AOO.
Sounds fine for me.
The title of the tread is A question about existing practices. I
think the facts are quite
Dave Fisher wrote:
There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who
are more in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I
trust their judgement.
Indeed. No reasons to elaborate further. We have votes in Bugzilla; we
can only keep them and, in case we want to
Hi,
Am 18.03.2013 19:05, schrieb Dave Fisher:
There is no consensus here to eliminate or reset the votes. Some who are more
in touch with users have stated that it would be harmful. I trust their
judgement.
as a longtime OpenOffice-user (since StarWriter 2.0), I think that in
this case,
Le 14/03/2013 12:41, Rob Weir a écrit :
I'm not sure votes from 2002 are the most accurate way of determining
what users want. For example, I think we'd agree that the
most-critical issue in 3.4.1 is the profile-related crash. But the
Bugzilla issue for this has received *zero* votes:
Any attempt to reset the votes would mean that once more, high scores are just
ignored.
Of course, nobody would browse the whole list of existing bugs, even to recast
their own votes. So reseting the votes would only lead to forget about old bugs
or old RFE.
Have office suites really evolved
On 2013-03-17 8:32 AM Rob Weir wrote:
I'm sorry that the troglodytes don't like that.
That is a very insulting comment. Why do you have to make derogatory comments to people who
disagree with your opinion? Where did you get you Masters in alienating people?
--
Hagar Delest wrote:
if the votes are reset, I'll take it as a huge setback for the users
decisions
Resetting votes does not make sense. There is a limit on how many bugs a
user can vote for and votes can be reallocated, so it isn't necessarily
true that an old bug has more votes just because
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote:
Any attempt to reset the votes would mean that once more, high scores are
just ignored.
Of course, nobody would browse the whole list of existing bugs, even to
recast their own votes. So reseting the votes would only
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Developers work on what they want to work on. This is not a problem.
Most developers on the project today have their own list of items they
want to work on. That is fine.
Le 14/03/2013 15:10, Rob Weir a écrit :
But if only a small minority of users know about voting, and we have a
large collection of ancient votes, then the votes are less meaningful
and relevant. That's my main concern. I don't believe that the vote
counts necessarily reflect current reality.
Hello,
By a request in the forum
(http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=1t=61365), I get the information,
the Issue #3959 was not implemented since 2002, although he has already
received 355 votes.
(Note: the implementation of the issues is not particularly important to me, I
personally
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
Hello,
By a request in the forum
(http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=1t=61365), I get the information,
the Issue #3959 was not implemented since 2002, although he has already
received 355 votes.
(Note: the
But it might be a valuable source of feedback, among
other sources.
So maybe some kind of (a little bit) bond? In this respect, we agree that the
desire for feedback only makes sense if one is willing to consider this
feedback.
(Please, this is not an accusation, because I'm sure the
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
But it might be a valuable source of feedback, among
other sources.
So maybe some kind of (a little bit) bond? In this respect, we agree that the
desire for feedback only makes sense if one is willing to consider this
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