Re: Apache OpenOffice at FOSDEM 2013

2012-11-13 Thread Andrew Rist
On 11/13/2012 5:49 AM, RA Stehmann wrote: Am 13.11.2012 03:01, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote: {forgive top posting} First off, thanks for leading the charge at FOSDEM. On this side of the Atlantic we need to gear up on ACNA and

Re: Look at the pretty branches

2012-11-14 Thread Andrew Rist
On 11/14/2012 3:10 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I see that our project is growing new branches. Would it make sense to start documenting these on a wiki page, so it is clear what each one is, and who is maintaining it? Current branches are: AOO34/ --- Our 3.4.x branch, would be used if we ever need

[BUILD] New gmake branch

2012-11-15 Thread Andrew Rist
Andre, I have updated the gmake branch (branches/gbuild) and changed all the headers. A couple of quick fixes are added. At this point the branch is trunk + CWS patches. make -di takes me pretty far in, but I get: GNUmakefile:35: *** Corrupted module targetstack! . Stop also, there is a

Re: Request to provide windows install-arc zip download on buildbot.

2012-11-16 Thread Andrew Rist
On 11/16/2012 12:18 AM, Zhe Liu wrote: Hi, Who can help to make buildbot to provide windows install-arc zip download? I can't find the package in the links. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/win/ http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/winsnap/ It's very useful for

Re: development locations...again

2012-11-19 Thread Andrew Rist
On 11/19/2012 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Re this discussion initiated by Marcus on Nov 9 (I know longer have the original): http://markmail.org/message/fz7mkldympxwrnvn Whole looking around for our current buildbot output, I did find successful builds for Linux and Win linked on this page:

Re: development locations...again

2012-11-19 Thread Andrew Rist
On 11/19/2012 4:13 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: On 11/19/2012 3:28 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: Re this discussion initiated by Marcus on Nov 9 (I know longer have the original): http://markmail.org/message/fz7mkldympxwrnvn Whole looking around for our current buildbot output, I did find successful

Re: svn commit: r839584 - /infrastructure/buildbot/aegis/buildmaster/master1/projects/openofficeorg.conf

2012-11-26 Thread Andrew Rist
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Re: [RELEASE]: new languages for AOO 3.4.1

2012-11-26 Thread Andrew Rist
On 11/23/2012 8:14 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:00:54 +0100 jan iversen j...@apache.org wrote: Good idea, that was basically what I meant...however even microsoft, does provide a slim setup, that then downloads the needed packages. There is a disadvantage to that: such an

Re: svn commit: r839584 - /infrastructure/buildbot/aegis/buildmaster/master1/projects/openofficeorg.conf

2012-11-27 Thread Andrew Rist
of buildbot config steps - nice work. also - at first the revisions above looked identical, while trying to figure that out it was just a dyslexia thing on the last two digits... A. On 11/27/2012 12:06 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: Hi Andrew, On 26.11.2012 20:02, Andrew Rist wrote: Did you run switch

Re: dist move...

2012-12-06 Thread Andrew Rist
On 12/6/2012 9:40 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org wrote: On 06.12.2012 00:03, Kay Schenk wrote: I put in a request, as part of our graduation process, to have our dist area moved to a top level. INFRA-5607

Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

2012-12-31 Thread Andrew Rist
On 12/31/2012 2:09 AM, janI wrote: Is there a reason why we use our own buildbot and not one of the infra supported ones, like e.g. Continuum. We /are/ using the ASF buildbot infrastructure. So I'm kind of confused by the question. check http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ Also, the

Re: old business...old OpenOffice domain names registered by Oracle (primarily)

2012-12-31 Thread Andrew Rist
On 12/30/2012 5:36 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 02/11/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: Actually these domains are still there: I tested 5 random ones from https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4906 and as Dave wrote they appear to have been (auto)renewed. They do not resolve, but WHOIS shows

Re: [discussion] Buildbot standard a.o or our own.

2013-01-03 Thread Andrew Rist
On 1/2/2013 2:25 AM, janI wrote: Andrea: thx for your observations. With the very low activity we have on trunk, there might be no reason for statistics. I am simply just used to a more comfortable and flexible build system. If I want to check my l10n changes on different platforms I have to

Re: Build broken in canvas

2013-01-16 Thread Andrew Rist
On 1/16/2013 6:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Thank you Armin; It will take me some time to check but I think that you hit the issue. I guess it's time to have a BSD buildbot (hi Andrew ;) ). YES! The difference with the linux buildbot is that we try to use all the system libraries

Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - OpenOffice.org -- Apache OpenOffice

2013-01-17 Thread Andrew Rist
On 1/17/2013 2:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I have finished the renaming from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice - see issue 121388. Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change has

Re: buildbot failure in ASF Buildbot on aoo-w7snap

2013-01-30 Thread Andrew Rist
Can anyone help with debugging the Windows snapshot build? It dies building shell - source/win32/sysmail with : dmake: Error: -- `simplemapi.hxx' not found, and can't be made http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/buildlogs/winsnap/log/wntmsci12.pro.build.html On 1/30/2013 10:39 AM,

Re: [Call For QA Volunteers] AOO UI IAccessible2 testing work

2013-02-09 Thread Andrew Rist
Do you all know about this? http://ci.apache.org/builders/aoo-w7ia2/ We now have an automatic build of the ia2 branch running nightly. (and successfully) It is not loading up install bits for some reason, but I'll look at that and fix it. If you want to see the status of the latest build look

w7snap build error

2013-03-19 Thread Andrew Rist
The snapshot of the sidebar branch is failing on officecfg/Office/UI seems there's a tag missing in xcu file... Error: Missplaced close tag: /oor:component-data in file E:\slave14\aoo-w7snap\build\main\officecfg\registry\data\org\openoffice\Office\UI\Sidebar.xcu in line 640:

Re: linux 32 buildbots offline, does anyone know anything about this

2013-03-22 Thread Andrew Rist
On 3/22/2013 9:19 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: Hi, It seems the linux 32-bit buildbot processes have been offline for about a week. Actually, they've been down for a bit longer than that. We had kind of overwhelmed the available resources, so we were waiting for the new VM host to come online.

Wiki VM maintenance

2013-04-02 Thread Andrew Rist
A quick heads up on the wiki.o.o - I've been chatting with infra and due to hardware issues, the VM will to move to another host tomorrow during European time (well, BST) Anyone wanting to help (usual suspects - Jan? imacat??? Wiki admins) out should monitor the infra IRC tomorrow Andrew

OS for main AOO buildbots

2013-04-02 Thread Andrew Rist
In discussions with infra, (mine and Andrea's) an idea has been hatched to create a CentOS buildbot. This would replace the defunct linux32 bot (previously ubuntu 10.4). In addition to changing the OS, we will also build this on the machine currently hosting the linux64 build. That bot has a

Re: Shell access to LAMP machines

2013-04-03 Thread Andrew Rist
On 4/3/2013 8:22 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 01/04/2013 janI wrote: A volunteer does not need to be an expert, that can be learned, possibility to react swiftly to alers in your TZ is the key. General knowledge about mysql/php is a clear advantage. In general we talk about 1-2 hours work

Re: Build breaker and clean build

2013-04-10 Thread Andrew Rist
On 4/10/2013 1:33 AM, Herbert Dürr wrote: On 2013/04/10 10:09 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: tonight we had a build breaker in the windows build: a slot id that is used in SW had been removed in SVX. The reference in SW had also been removed, so this change should not be a problem. But the windows

Re: Build breaker and clean build

2013-04-11 Thread Andrew Rist
On 4/11/2013 12:06 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: On 10.04.2013 18:57, Andrew Rist wrote: On 4/10/2013 1:33 AM, Herbert Dürr wrote: On 2013/04/10 10:09 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: tonight we had a build breaker in the windows build: a slot id that is used in SW had been removed in SVX

Re: buildbot exception in ASF Buildbot on aoo-w7snap

2013-04-15 Thread Andrew Rist
Interesting timing on this. Here is an example of a clean run. This is the snapshot build kicked off by Herbert this morning. It hit an exception 9 hours later. My guess if that there is a hung process on the box that finally timed out. This is exactly the type of situation that makes clean

Re: Translation for AOO 4.0

2013-04-25 Thread Andrew Rist
On 4/25/2013 1:16 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 4/25/13 9:55 AM, janI wrote: On 25 April 2013 07:34, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/24/13 11:34 PM, janI wrote: On 24 April 2013 22:33, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Am Mittwoch, 24. April 2013 um 17:06

links to incubator on download

2013-04-30 Thread Andrew Rist
Seems that the 'get involved' links in the message you see when downloading still point to the incubator version of our URL http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/stable/3.4.1/Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.1_Win_x86_install_en-US.exe/download Roberto, Is this something

Re: [build] source of epm source package no longer available

2013-05-02 Thread Andrew Rist
On 5/2/2013 12:22 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: On 02.05.2013 00:57, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:03:10 +0200 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 29.04.2013 10:02, Rory O'Farrell

Re: Buildbot and Unofficial Developer Builds -- whats up?

2013-05-14 Thread Andrew Rist
On 5/13/2013 8:42 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Stuart, On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 01:16:55AM +, V Stuart Foote wrote: Sorry for the cross post, but this rubs on both the QA and Dev sides of the project. So, I understand that we are mid-way through, a full regression testing of the

Re: [buildbot] investigate nightly windows build

2013-05-16 Thread Andrew Rist
On 5/16/2013 1:31 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 16.05.2013 10:24, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 15.05.2013 21:51, Andrew Rist wrote: On 5/15/2013 12:03 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 14.05.2013 10:16, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, our buildbot building

Re: [buildbot] investigate nightly windows build

2013-05-16 Thread Andrew Rist
On 5/16/2013 1:24 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 15.05.2013 21:51, Andrew Rist wrote: On 5/15/2013 12:03 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 14.05.2013 10:16, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, our buildbot building trunk nightly for windows has problems in modul apr since

Re: [buildbot] investigate nightly windows build

2013-05-17 Thread Andrew Rist
On 5/17/2013 1:53 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 17.05.2013 01:53, Andrew Rist wrote: our buildbot building trunk nightly for windows has problems in modul apr since a couple of days. Unfortunately, the log does provide nothing for a reason not known to me. Thus, I will try

Re: [buildbot] investigate nightly windows build

2013-05-22 Thread Andrew Rist
On 5/22/2013 3:30 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 21.05.2013 09:53, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 17.05.2013 23:11, Andrew Rist wrote: [snip] I have seen that #621 of aoo-win7 also had this error and that you had again cleaned up the hanging processes. In order to get

Re: mac build bot (and also for the rest of us).

2013-05-22 Thread Andrew Rist
I'm pretty sure that is not allowed by the Apple license. So that doesn't solve our problem. (also, I've not had very good success when trying this type approach in the past) The real solution is to get a Mac buildbot, and we requested this almost a year ago:

Re: Find a better name for sidebar?

2013-05-23 Thread Andrew Rist
SmartPanel ? On 5/23/2013 11:06 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? Like Awesome Panel? I'm not quite sure how your answer is to understand. (a) Is Awesome Panel a

Re: Find a better name for sidebar?

2013-05-23 Thread Andrew Rist
, schrieb Andrew Rist: SmartPanel ? On 5/23/2013 11:06 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabas...@gmail.com] Would not it make sense to think about the sidebar to give a distinctive name? Like Awesome Panel? I'm not quite sure how your answer is to understand

Re: [buildbot] investigate nightly windows build

2013-05-28 Thread Andrew Rist
On 5/27/2013 3:02 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 27.05.2013 12:00, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: [snip] I have seen that #621 of aoo-win7 also had this error and that you had again cleaned up the hanging processes. In order to get some error output I will switch off the HTML

Re: [buildbot] investigate nightly windows build

2013-05-30 Thread Andrew Rist
On 5/30/2013 6:04 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, On 29.05.2013 10:35, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: [snip] I have seen that #621 of aoo-win7 also had this error and that you had again cleaned up the hanging processes. In order to get some error output I will switch off the HTML

Re: Mercurial repository at hg.services.openoffice.org

2013-07-01 Thread Andrew Rist
On 6/27/2013 9:00 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: The Mercurial repository at http://hg.services.openoffice.org/ is no longer current but it is still useful since it contains important historical information. It is still hosted by Oracle and it is now down. Any plans to restore it? It will not

Re: [DISCUSS] New localization requirements policy needed for releases

2013-07-15 Thread Andrew Rist
On 7/15/2013 12:19 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 7/15/13 9:04 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 14/07/2013 Rob Weir wrote: In this specific case, for AOO 4.0, I'm suggesting we release any additional languages that are 100% on September 16th. This is similar to what we did for AOO 3.4.1. After

Re: [VOTE]: Release OpenOffice 4.0 (RC2)

2013-07-18 Thread Andrew Rist
+1Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 On 7/17/2013 12:40 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 4.0 [ ] 0 Don't care [ ] -1 Do not release this package because...

Re: [DISCUSS] New localization requirements policy needed for releases

2013-07-22 Thread Andrew Rist
On 7/20/2013 1:19 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 15/07/2013 Herbert Duerr wrote: Currently the Windows buildbot of the SNAPSHOT tag does a weekly full build of all languages: http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#winsnap Is any fully translated language missing from that list? Yes, ast.

Re: Additional languages for buildbots

2013-08-13 Thread Andrew Rist
On 8/13/2013 1:18 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: On 13.08.2013 08:42, Andrea Pescetti wrote: I see that yesterday's buildbot run completed successfully http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#winsnap (even though, since we are still building the SNAPSHOT tag, running that buildbot is only testing

[BUILD] Linux32 snapshot configure

2013-08-14 Thread Andrew Rist
Here is the current configure statement for the Linux32 bot - is this correct, and what changes would make it better? ./configure \ --with-jdk-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk \ --with-epm-url=http://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz \

Re: Does SNAPSHOT tag need to be changed?

2013-08-27 Thread Andrew Rist
On 8/27/2013 2:34 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 8/26/13 6:26 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, On 25.08.2013 23:56, Kay Schenk wrote: Right now SNAPSHOT is pointing to rev. 1499347. Does this need to be

Re: User questions on dev mailing list

2013-09-06 Thread Andrew Rist
On 9/6/2013 4:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: snip Another angle is to realize that enabling the user and motivating them in a specific direction is more powerful than trying to steer them away from a specific direction. Maybe the problem is we are not making the support forums sound attractive

Re: IA2 Branch r1519381 IAccessible2 testing - failed Buildbot

2013-09-10 Thread Andrew Rist
Looking at this now - we should be able to get this bot healthy again. A. On 9/8/2013 10:13 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Steve Y. has merged the AOO TRUNK into the IA2 branch SVN as r1519381. Anxious to resume QA work on IAccessibile2 implementation. Unfortunately, while it looks like the IA2

Re: IA2 Branch r1519381 IAccessible2 testing - failed Buildbot

2013-09-12 Thread Andrew Rist
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Re: [Accessibility] Calc and Impress got complete ia2 support -- (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot currently failing

2013-09-27 Thread Andrew Rist
On 9/27/2013 6:44 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Steve, Great news! Once we have a useable build... I just checked and the current r1526782 based ia2 branch is failing snapshot Buildbot for svn under cygwin So the (aoo-w7ia2) Buildbot for the ia2 branch again needs some attention. just gave it

Re: Extensions

2013-10-25 Thread Andrew Rist
On 10/25/2013 12:48 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 10/25/13 1:25 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Vladislav Stevanovic wrote: We had in Serbia simmilar problem with one of the most-frequently-used extension in Serbian. Thanks for Jörg Schmidt he made version for AOO 4.0, but we have still some

Re: The crux with 2 open standards for more or less the same thing

2013-10-29 Thread Andrew Rist
On 10/28/2013 12:38 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] That is the reason why we will start to investigate in a better OOXML support for AOO and you will probably notice some more activity in the future going in this direction. Excellent. A

Re: Call for Automation BVT volunteer for AOO4.1

2013-11-05 Thread Andrew Rist
On 11/5/2013 10:32 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I reported this a while back: http://markmail.org/message/x2plcngb6xczxbch yes...we have NIGHTLY 32 bit RPMS buildt from trunk but not snapshot builds -- those built from the

Re: buildbots -- Linux and MacOSX

2013-11-15 Thread Andrew Rist
I wanted to give an update on the buildbots, as this is a question that keeps coming up. * We've received assurances that the Mac buildbot is coming. Long story short, the current mac hardware is a bit long in the tooth and we would kill everything on it if we added our builds to the

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] maintenance of ooo-wiki2-vm.a.o and ooo-forums.a.o

2014-01-02 Thread Andrew Rist
+1 (just getting back to the list - too much holiday - not enough AOO - also not enough snow here...) On 12/29/2013 7:09 AM, jan i wrote: top posting. A friendly reminder, this LAZY Consensus proposal runs until january 2nd. Until now, no -1 has been received. Andrea is the only team

Re: Anything we can do about premature redistribution?

2014-03-07 Thread Andrew Rist
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.0 (RC4)

2014-04-28 Thread Andrew Rist
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Re: Improving OpenOffice's User Experience

2014-05-16 Thread Andrew Rist
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Re: release manager for the next release

2014-10-06 Thread Andrew Rist
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Re: http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/ outdated?

2014-10-31 Thread Andrew Rist
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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-02-03 Thread Andrew Rist
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Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

2015-01-16 Thread Andrew Rist
as the Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair? [ ] +1 Yes [ ] 0 Abstain [ ] -1 No -- Andrew Rist | Interoperability Architect OracleCorporate Architecture Group Redwood Shores, CA | 650.506.9847 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr

Re: Mac buildbot?

2015-04-01 Thread Andrew Rist
me what hte status is? I need this info for our upcomming board report where I try to make a project status as new chair. According to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4902 Mac mini setup at OSU colo, creds handed off to Andrew Rist, this may translate as: the Mac mini is in some

Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

2015-08-18 Thread Andrew Rist
[X] +1, Dennis Hamilton as new Chair On 8/15/2015 11:57 PM, jan i wrote: This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO Chair role. Due to the fact that there are only 1 candidate we could use lazy consensus, but since some persons might be against that, we will use

Re: [QUESTION] Getting to AOO for Java (AOO4J)?

2015-11-17 Thread Andrew Rist
Hope this is not off topic, but I think it should be a part of this conversation. If w are looking at moving AOO forward, then we should be looking forward and not just porting to another development platform. As such, the two most important destinations are a cloud implementation and

OpenOffice mention in the Media

2016-04-13 Thread Andrew Rist
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