Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On 17/05/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: 1. default version if vendor is Apache Software Foundation http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_default.png 2. if the vendor is somebody else http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_vendor.png ... the portion copyright... in 2 should be moved in the next line always. And All rights reserved should be probably removed in both. With these fixes it looks fine. Some minor improvements: I think there shouldn't be a comma between year and copyright owner in general, and that the year should be repeated. So I'd have something like [replace (C) by the copyright symbol]: 1. Copyright (C) 2013 The Apache Software Foundation. 2. Copyright (C) 2013 JSC Soft. Portions copyright (C) 2013 The Apache Software Foundation. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On 5/13/13 9:24 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 5/9/13 9:11 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 02:11:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: It can still have some meaning: suppose someone in the ecosystem is building custom versions of AOO for their customers, they may want to configure with --with-vendor; they can even change the images in the dialog to whatever suits them (anyone can try this by changing the PNGs in the folder where the main executable file resides, about.png is the header of the dialog, logo.png is the main logo at the left), for example: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialogCustomImg.jpg I can certainly see it being useful for someone else who builds a customized version of AOO. But that's not us. We're not *based on* Apache OpenOffice. We *are* Apache OpenOffice. This is confusing. Remember, we're trying to educate users to download safely, and use trusted downloads that continue Apache OpenOffice. So saying that we're based on OpenOffice is weird. That resource string can be split in several parts, and have two versions for that particular one: This product was created by %OOOVENDOR, based on Apache OpenOffice.\n used if -DOOO_VENDOR is passed to the compiler This product was created by %OOOVENDOR used if -DOOO_VENDOR is not passed. %OOOVENDOR is still needed as it makes branding easier. Another thing to think about, is taking out of the string the parts that don't need translation. For example, in Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation.\n In some languages, they have translated Software Foundation, in others not; in some they have translated Copyright, in others not. We can state clearly what is supposed to be translated and what not. vid. http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=ABOUT_STR_COPYRIGHTdefs=refs=path=extras%2Fl10n%2Fsource%2Fhist=project=aoo-AOO34 that make a lot of sense and I agree that we should change the About dialog. Ariel created a further issue regarding the README and this changes make sense as well. I will trigger a (hopefully last) minor translation update for both changes when the fixes are in place. It's probably also a good idea to collect all this release relevant items that have to be checked for every relase. An up-to-date README is useful for the interested user. Or we move every changing content out of the file and on a easy to change webpage where we have more flexibility. I worked on this and split the string in several parts and insert some dependencies. See also the comments in the issue that I won't repeat all here. The main Copyright string will not be translated (the green marked string in the screenshots). We will have now 2 versions 1. default version if vendor is Apache Software Foundation http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_default.png 2. if the vendor is somebody else http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_vendor.png The wording can still be tuned and I am open to any suggestions until Tuesday. The copyright year is fixed for our default (at the moment 2013) and will set at build time when the vendor changed. This will probably changed in the future and the date will move into the openoffice.lst Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On 5/17/13 6:03 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 5/13/13 9:24 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 5/9/13 9:11 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 02:11:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: It can still have some meaning: suppose someone in the ecosystem is building custom versions of AOO for their customers, they may want to configure with --with-vendor; they can even change the images in the dialog to whatever suits them (anyone can try this by changing the PNGs in the folder where the main executable file resides, about.png is the header of the dialog, logo.png is the main logo at the left), for example: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialogCustomImg.jpg I can certainly see it being useful for someone else who builds a customized version of AOO. But that's not us. We're not *based on* Apache OpenOffice. We *are* Apache OpenOffice. This is confusing. Remember, we're trying to educate users to download safely, and use trusted downloads that continue Apache OpenOffice. So saying that we're based on OpenOffice is weird. That resource string can be split in several parts, and have two versions for that particular one: This product was created by %OOOVENDOR, based on Apache OpenOffice.\n used if -DOOO_VENDOR is passed to the compiler This product was created by %OOOVENDOR used if -DOOO_VENDOR is not passed. %OOOVENDOR is still needed as it makes branding easier. Another thing to think about, is taking out of the string the parts that don't need translation. For example, in Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation.\n In some languages, they have translated Software Foundation, in others not; in some they have translated Copyright, in others not. We can state clearly what is supposed to be translated and what not. vid. http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=ABOUT_STR_COPYRIGHTdefs=refs=path=extras%2Fl10n%2Fsource%2Fhist=project=aoo-AOO34 that make a lot of sense and I agree that we should change the About dialog. Ariel created a further issue regarding the README and this changes make sense as well. I will trigger a (hopefully last) minor translation update for both changes when the fixes are in place. It's probably also a good idea to collect all this release relevant items that have to be checked for every relase. An up-to-date README is useful for the interested user. Or we move every changing content out of the file and on a easy to change webpage where we have more flexibility. I worked on this and split the string in several parts and insert some dependencies. See also the comments in the issue that I won't repeat all here. The main Copyright string will not be translated (the green marked string in the screenshots). We will have now 2 versions 1. default version if vendor is Apache Software Foundation http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_default.png 2. if the vendor is somebody else http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_vendor.png The wording can still be tuned and I am open to any suggestions until Tuesday. The copyright year is fixed for our default (at the moment 2013) and will set at build time when the vendor changed. This will probably changed in the future and the date will move into the openoffice.lst correcting myself the portion copyright... in 2 should be moved in the next line always. And All rights reserved should be probably removed in both. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/13/13 9:24 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 5/9/13 9:11 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 02:11:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: It can still have some meaning: suppose someone in the ecosystem is building custom versions of AOO for their customers, they may want to configure with --with-vendor; they can even change the images in the dialog to whatever suits them (anyone can try this by changing the PNGs in the folder where the main executable file resides, about.png is the header of the dialog, logo.png is the main logo at the left), for example: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialogCustomImg.jpg I can certainly see it being useful for someone else who builds a customized version of AOO. But that's not us. We're not *based on* Apache OpenOffice. We *are* Apache OpenOffice. This is confusing. Remember, we're trying to educate users to download safely, and use trusted downloads that continue Apache OpenOffice. So saying that we're based on OpenOffice is weird. That resource string can be split in several parts, and have two versions for that particular one: This product was created by %OOOVENDOR, based on Apache OpenOffice.\n used if -DOOO_VENDOR is passed to the compiler This product was created by %OOOVENDOR used if -DOOO_VENDOR is not passed. %OOOVENDOR is still needed as it makes branding easier. Another thing to think about, is taking out of the string the parts that don't need translation. For example, in Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation.\n In some languages, they have translated Software Foundation, in others not; in some they have translated Copyright, in others not. We can state clearly what is supposed to be translated and what not. vid. http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=ABOUT_STR_COPYRIGHTdefs=refs=path=extras%2Fl10n%2Fsource%2Fhist=project=aoo-AOO34 that make a lot of sense and I agree that we should change the About dialog. Ariel created a further issue regarding the README and this changes make sense as well. I will trigger a (hopefully last) minor translation update for both changes when the fixes are in place. It's probably also a good idea to collect all this release relevant items that have to be checked for every relase. An up-to-date README is useful for the interested user. Or we move every changing content out of the file and on a easy to change webpage where we have more flexibility. I worked on this and split the string in several parts and insert some dependencies. See also the comments in the issue that I won't repeat all here. The main Copyright string will not be translated (the green marked string in the screenshots). We will have now 2 versions 1. default version if vendor is Apache Software Foundation http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_default.png 2. if the vendor is somebody else http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_vendor.png The wording can still be tuned and I am open to any suggestions until Tuesday. The copyright year is fixed for our default (at the moment 2013) and will set at build time when the vendor changed. This will probably changed in the future and the date will move into the openoffice.lst Would it be possible to have some space between each paragraph, e.g., a blank line before The OpenOffice community acknowledges... -Rob Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 06:03:25PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: 1. default version if vendor is Apache Software Foundation http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_default.png 2. if the vendor is somebody else http://people.apache.org/~jsc/screenshots/About_vendor.png Looks like you are configuring with something like --with-build-version=$(date +%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S (%a, %d %b %Y)) May be this can be set as default when the switch is missing in configure, so that the bots and the Dev.Snaps. have all the time stamp as BUILD_VER_STRING (and maybe add $OS-$CPUNAME). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpRbJ7f7fjJ7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
KG01 - see comments at base On May 10, 2013, at 1:40 AM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 05/09/2013 07:33 PM, schrieb Ariel Constenla-Haile: On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 07:21:49PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/09/2013 06:34 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? If you aren't happy to change this every year, just get the current year from a function like today() or similar. Then the first build in 2014 will show the correct year. Do you mean set at build time or at runtime? The later might not be legal. KG01 - how might we include information and calls to action for people to contribute to the effort? Regards, Kevin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On 5/9/13 9:11 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 02:11:31PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: It can still have some meaning: suppose someone in the ecosystem is building custom versions of AOO for their customers, they may want to configure with --with-vendor; they can even change the images in the dialog to whatever suits them (anyone can try this by changing the PNGs in the folder where the main executable file resides, about.png is the header of the dialog, logo.png is the main logo at the left), for example: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialogCustomImg.jpg I can certainly see it being useful for someone else who builds a customized version of AOO. But that's not us. We're not *based on* Apache OpenOffice. We *are* Apache OpenOffice. This is confusing. Remember, we're trying to educate users to download safely, and use trusted downloads that continue Apache OpenOffice. So saying that we're based on OpenOffice is weird. That resource string can be split in several parts, and have two versions for that particular one: This product was created by %OOOVENDOR, based on Apache OpenOffice.\n used if -DOOO_VENDOR is passed to the compiler This product was created by %OOOVENDOR used if -DOOO_VENDOR is not passed. %OOOVENDOR is still needed as it makes branding easier. Another thing to think about, is taking out of the string the parts that don't need translation. For example, in Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation.\n In some languages, they have translated Software Foundation, in others not; in some they have translated Copyright, in others not. We can state clearly what is supposed to be translated and what not. vid. http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=ABOUT_STR_COPYRIGHTdefs=refs=path=extras%2Fl10n%2Fsource%2Fhist=project=aoo-AOO34 that make a lot of sense and I agree that we should change the About dialog. Ariel created a further issue regarding the README and this changes make sense as well. I will trigger a (hopefully last) minor translation update for both changes when the fixes are in place. It's probably also a good idea to collect all this release relevant items that have to be checked for every relase. An up-to-date README is useful for the interested user. Or we move every changing content out of the file and on a easy to change webpage where we have more flexibility. Juergen Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Critique of the Help/About box
I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? It also says, This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. That confuses me. It probably confuses users as well. Isn't this Apache OpenOffice? Why are we saying based on Apache OpenOffice ? I wonder if we can simply remove that line altogether. (Also, the Splash Screen makes a similar odd statement: Build contributed by member of the Apache OpenOffice community) Presumably these phrases came from earlier days when Sun or Oracle was credited as the contributor of the executable. But I'm not sure the distinction is important any more. The new License button, however, is very nice, giving quick access to readme, license and notice. -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On May 9, 2013 6:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? +1 It also says, This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. That confuses me. It probably confuses users as well. Isn't this Apache OpenOffice? Why are we saying based on Apache OpenOffice ? I wonder if we can simply remove that line altogether. +1 but the box should contain the name Apache open office. (Also, the Splash Screen makes a similar odd statement: Build contributed by member of the Apache OpenOffice community) I would suggest: Apache Open Office is created by volunteers. but I am fine with other texts that are not cryptic. Presumably these phrases came from earlier days when Sun or Oracle was credited as the contributor of the executable. But I'm not sure the distinction is important any more. The new License button, however, is very nice, giving quick access to readme, license and notice. we should consider having the license en+local for national versions, with a note that the local version is a translation and the en version dominates. reasoning, our translators are not laywers and may unvolunterely change the meaning. rgds jan i -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:50 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On May 9, 2013 6:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? +1 It also says, This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. That confuses me. It probably confuses users as well. Isn't this Apache OpenOffice? Why are we saying based on Apache OpenOffice ? I wonder if we can simply remove that line altogether. +1 but the box should contain the name Apache open office. (Also, the Splash Screen makes a similar odd statement: Build contributed by member of the Apache OpenOffice community) I would suggest: Apache Open Office is created by volunteers. but I am fine with other texts that are not cryptic. Or even make it a promotional statement: Apache OpenOffice: Powered by Community or something like that. Presumably these phrases came from earlier days when Sun or Oracle was credited as the contributor of the executable. But I'm not sure the distinction is important any more. The new License button, however, is very nice, giving quick access to readme, license and notice. we should consider having the license en+local for national versions, with a note that the local version is a translation and the en version dominates. reasoning, our translators are not laywers and may unvolunterely change the meaning. Is the license even in Pootle? I certainly agree with you that the English (original) version is the authoritative version. But I don't think it is worth the effort for translators to even try translating it, for the reason you state. It is specialized legal language. -Rob rgds jan i -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
Am 05/09/2013 06:34 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? If you aren't happy to change this every year, just get the current year from a function like today() or similar. Then the first build in 2014 will show the correct year. It also says, This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. That confuses me. It probably confuses users as well. Isn't this Apache OpenOffice? Why are we saying based on Apache OpenOffice ? I wonder if we can simply remove that line altogether. Hm, sounds indeed not really understandable. However, I doubt that the average user gets confused about the text in this most unimportant dialogbox. ;-) (Also, the Splash Screen makes a similar odd statement: Build contributed by member of the Apache OpenOffice community) Shouldn't it be members? Presumably these phrases came from earlier days when Sun or Oracle was credited as the contributor of the executable. But I'm not sure the distinction is important any more. As open source can be compiled, built and distributed by everyone I would prefer to keep this sentence. Of course it's no real proof that the build comes really from Apache (compared with a hash/checksum) but it's a good indication. The new License button, however, is very nice, giving quick access to readme, license and notice. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
Hi Rob, On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 12:34:25PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? Yes, please open a bug before we forget, and set it as blocker. It also says, This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. That confuses me. It probably confuses users as well. Isn't this Apache OpenOffice? Why are we saying based on Apache OpenOffice ? I wonder if we can simply remove that line altogether. (Also, the Splash Screen makes a similar odd statement: Build contributed by member of the Apache OpenOffice community) Presumably these phrases came from earlier days when Sun or Oracle was credited as the contributor of the executable. But I'm not sure the distinction is important any more. The string in the About Dialog has a place holder: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/cui/source/dialogs/about.src?revision=1448713view=markup#l76 Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation.\nAll rights reserved.\n\nThis product was created by %OOOVENDOR, based on Apache OpenOffice.\nApache OpenOffice acknowledges all community members, especially those mentioned at; %OOOVENDOR is replaced with the value of OOOVENDOR in main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst or with a custom value set at build time if configured with --with-vendor. For example, --with-vendor=Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch\@apache.org) turns out in http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog.png This all comes from Sun era http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog300.png http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog321.png It can still have some meaning: suppose someone in the ecosystem is building custom versions of AOO for their customers, they may want to configure with --with-vendor; they can even change the images in the dialog to whatever suits them (anyone can try this by changing the PNGs in the folder where the main executable file resides, about.png is the header of the dialog, logo.png is the main logo at the left), for example: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialogCustomImg.jpg Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgp_6zZTSCH0K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 07:21:49PM +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/09/2013 06:34 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? If you aren't happy to change this every year, just get the current year from a function like today() or similar. Then the first build in 2014 will show the correct year. Do you mean set at build time or at runtime? The later might not be legal. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpXJ22AO6SOX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: Hi Rob, On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 12:34:25PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? Yes, please open a bug before we forget, and set it as blocker. OK It also says, This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. That confuses me. It probably confuses users as well. Isn't this Apache OpenOffice? Why are we saying based on Apache OpenOffice ? I wonder if we can simply remove that line altogether. (Also, the Splash Screen makes a similar odd statement: Build contributed by member of the Apache OpenOffice community) Presumably these phrases came from earlier days when Sun or Oracle was credited as the contributor of the executable. But I'm not sure the distinction is important any more. The string in the About Dialog has a place holder: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/cui/source/dialogs/about.src?revision=1448713view=markup#l76 Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation.\nAll rights reserved.\n\nThis product was created by %OOOVENDOR, based on Apache OpenOffice.\nApache OpenOffice acknowledges all community members, especially those mentioned at; %OOOVENDOR is replaced with the value of OOOVENDOR in main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst or with a custom value set at build time if configured with --with-vendor. For example, --with-vendor=Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch\@apache.org) turns out in http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog.png This all comes from Sun era http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog300.png http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog321.png It can still have some meaning: suppose someone in the ecosystem is building custom versions of AOO for their customers, they may want to configure with --with-vendor; they can even change the images in the dialog to whatever suits them (anyone can try this by changing the PNGs in the folder where the main executable file resides, about.png is the header of the dialog, logo.png is the main logo at the left), for example: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialogCustomImg.jpg I can certainly see it being useful for someone else who builds a customized version of AOO. But that's not us. We're not *based on* Apache OpenOffice. We *are* Apache OpenOffice. This is confusing. Remember, we're trying to educate users to download safely, and use trusted downloads that continue Apache OpenOffice. So saying that we're based on OpenOffice is weird. Regards, -Rob, based on Rob Weir Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
Am 05/09/2013 08:11 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: Hi Rob, On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 12:34:25PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? Yes, please open a bug before we forget, and set it as blocker. OK It also says, This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. That confuses me. It probably confuses users as well. Isn't this Apache OpenOffice? Why are we saying based on Apache OpenOffice ? I wonder if we can simply remove that line altogether. (Also, the Splash Screen makes a similar odd statement: Build contributed by member of the Apache OpenOffice community) Presumably these phrases came from earlier days when Sun or Oracle was credited as the contributor of the executable. But I'm not sure the distinction is important any more. The string in the About Dialog has a place holder: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/cui/source/dialogs/about.src?revision=1448713view=markup#l76 Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation.\nAll rights reserved.\n\nThis product was created by %OOOVENDOR, based on Apache OpenOffice.\nApache OpenOffice acknowledges all community members, especially those mentioned at; %OOOVENDOR is replaced with the value of OOOVENDOR in main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst or with a custom value set at build time if configured with --with-vendor. For example, --with-vendor=Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch\@apache.org) turns out in http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog.png This all comes from Sun era http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog300.png http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialog321.png It can still have some meaning: suppose someone in the ecosystem is building custom versions of AOO for their customers, they may want to configure with --with-vendor; they can even change the images in the dialog to whatever suits them (anyone can try this by changing the PNGs in the folder where the main executable file resides, about.png is the header of the dialog, logo.png is the main logo at the left), for example: http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/AboutDialogCustomImg.jpg I can certainly see it being useful for someone else who builds a customized version of AOO. But that's not us. We're not *based on* Apache OpenOffice. We *are* Apache OpenOffice. This is confusing. Remember, we're trying to educate users to download safely, and use trusted downloads that continue Apache OpenOffice. So saying that we're based on OpenOffice is weird. I agree with you for this part of the sentence. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
Here's BZ issue for the copyright statement update to 2013: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122265 -Rob On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I wonder if we can make this be more rational? For example, the About box currently says: Copyright © 2012 Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. That needs to be changed to 2013, right? It also says, This product was created by Apache Software Foundation, based on Apache OpenOffice. That confuses me. It probably confuses users as well. Isn't this Apache OpenOffice? Why are we saying based on Apache OpenOffice ? I wonder if we can simply remove that line altogether. (Also, the Splash Screen makes a similar odd statement: Build contributed by member of the Apache OpenOffice community) Presumably these phrases came from earlier days when Sun or Oracle was credited as the contributor of the executable. But I'm not sure the distinction is important any more. The new License button, however, is very nice, giving quick access to readme, license and notice. -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Yes, build time of course. Otherwise 4.0 could be a current version forever. ;-) Marcus Might yet be if no one gets around to putting out 4.1...
Re: Critique of the Help/About box
Rob Weir wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:50 PM, janI wrote: we should consider having the license en+local for national versions, with a note that the local version is a translation and the en version dominates. reasoning, our translators are not laywers and may unvolunterely change the meaning. Is the license even in Pootle? I certainly agree with you that the English (original) version is the authoritative version. But I don't think it is worth the effort for translators to even try translating it, for the reason you state. It is specialized legal language. You are both right. We don't have and we don't want to have translated licenses. It's legal language and it must stay in English. Distributing an unofficial translated version with the official release would only create confusion. So the license is in English, but we can have (we already do) localized FAQs on the website explaining the licensing terms. This is probably even better than a full translation. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
