On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 10:25 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 21:27:53 GMT, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> Last word, in case the inference is unclear. We're dealing with a
>> sophisticated serial infringer on Wikipedia. Correcting erroneous
>>
All of the above said, maybe we should drop this whole discussion, and let
David have his way, and focus on getting a 4.1.2 release out the door. That
should settle the issue, and shipping code is more important than Wikipedia
anyway, right?
So, what can I do to help with 4.1.2?
Phil
This
David, this has nothing to do with marketing, and I honestly feel like you
are the one acting in bad faith here. This is about Wikipedia being
accurate, and the simple truth is, on a question like "what's the status of
AOO" none of your "sources" are more accurate than a primary source like
the
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 21:27:53 GMT, Rob Weir wrote:
> Last word, in case the inference is unclear. We're dealing with a
> sophisticated serial infringer on Wikipedia. Correcting erroneous
> information, which is proper to do, is unlikely to be achieved via an
> edit war.
On 17/09/15 15:30, Phillip Rhodes wrote:
> This is about Wikipedia being accurate, and the simple truth is,
Wikipedia is not about accuracy, nor is it about truth. What it is
about, is whether or not the delusions and hallucinations of the editors
can be supported by an appeal to an external
Phillip Rhodes wrote:
All of the above said, maybe we should drop this whole discussion
Well, it remains the fact that "OpenOffice moribund" is false.
The primary sources cited in the article (all of which are clearly
misinterpreted) are:
- A message from Juergen saying that he won't be
By golly you are right, I didn't notice that mr. David Gerard has really
turned this into a personal crusade of his.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Larry Gusaas
wrote:
> On 2015-09-15, 5:17 PM John D'Orazio wrote:
>
>> Well actually the case of the wikipedia article is
Time, gentlemen, time.
We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread go
night-night.
Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and AOO
business. We have our own business to attend to. If folks want to keep
fussing about it, there are
> On 16 Sep 15, at 13:56, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:52 PM, John D'Orazio
> wrote:
>> Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He
>> still has to abide by the rules though. And there is quite
> On 16 Sep 15, at 15:38, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
> Time, gentlemen, time.
>
> We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread go
> night-night.
>
> Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and AOO
> business.
According to the links on that page it's him.
Am 16.09.2015 um 19:58 schrieb Louis Suárez-Potts:
On 16 Sep 15, at 13:56, Rob Weir wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:52 PM, John D'Orazio
wrote:
Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:52 PM, John D'Orazio
wrote:
> Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He
> still has to abide by the rules though. And there is quite a bit of
> discussion on the talk page, where some users have opted to
> On 16 Sep 15, at 14:31, Max Merbald wrote:
>
> According to the links on that page it's him.
Fantastic.
One hopes he’s reading this.
Louis
PS in case others didn’t bother to follow up on Rob’s link, the title
(self-appointed, I assume) held by Mr Gerard is enough to
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> Time, gentlemen, time.
>
> We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread go
> night-night.
>
> Whatever is thought of about what happens on Wikipedia, it is not ASF and AOO
> business.
> On 16 Sep 15, at 17:27, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> wrote:
>>> Time, gentlemen, time.
>>>
>>> We're far across the ad hominem boundary
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> Time, gentlemen, time.
>>
>> We're far across the ad hominem boundary and it is time to let this thread
>> go night-night.
>>
>> Whatever is
On 09/16/2015 02:32 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>> On 16 Sep 15, at 17:27, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>>> wrote:
Time,
Well actually the case of the wikipedia article is different, because the
adjective that is used for the project whether "dormant" or "moribund" is
not in fact actually being referred to the Apache project but to the
pre-Apache project. The Apache project is indicated as being a derivative
On 2015-09-15, 5:17 PM John D'Orazio wrote:
Well actually the case of the wikipedia article is different, because the
adjective that is used for the project whether "dormant" or "moribund" is
not in fact actually being referred to the Apache project but to the
pre-Apache project.
No. It is
The best case we can make is a new release. So, even for this little
change it's good to make progress with 4.1.2.
PS:
I've my own opinion about Wikipedia and it's data quality. Maybe you can
guess in what direction is could go.
Marcus
Am 09/15/2015 12:14 AM, schrieb John D'Orazio:
Yes I
"Moribund" is a goofy word that almost nobody uses in conversation, but
it's probably more accurate than "dormant". I've spent enough time
goofing around on Wikipedia lately, so, for myself, I'm quite happy to
leave it as is, until the 4.1.2 release comes out. At that point, I think
it's clear
"Moribund" means "dying". It's a goofy word, yes, which means it's an
attention-getting word, which means people will look at it and say, "What
the hell does THAT mean?" and focus on why someone would call AOO that.
Is "dying" more accurate than "dormant" to describe AOO? "Dying" suggests
the
Fair enough. That is the dictionary definition. I was thinking of how
it's used colloquially, which seems
to be more like a synonym for "stagnant." I'd be OK with either
"stagnant" or "stalled", if the change
can be made without someone immediately reverting it. I probably won't do
it
There was a minor skirmish last week over it. Looks like there'll be one
this week too...someone changed it to "moribund".
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Phillip Rhodes
wrote:
> Sorry, I missed the infobox when I looked at the page. You're right,
> having
I changed it back. Who is this David Gerard person who obviously wants
to damage OpenOffice?
Am 14.09.2015 um 16:48 schrieb Donald Whytock:
There was a minor skirmish last week over it. Looks like there'll be one
this week too...someone changed it to "moribund".
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at
Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He
still has to abide by the rules though. And there is quite a bit of
discussion on the talk page, where some users have opted to split the
"Apache OpenOffice" project onto its own page as a completely separate
derivative
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 23:20:18 +0200
Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Well, he did it again...
>
> That is what he wrote to me on google+:
>
> "And don't do what the previous AOO editor did and inexplicably fail to
> reveal their COI."
For those who don't know, "COI" means
Well, he did it again...
That is what he wrote to me on google+:
"And don't do what the previous AOO editor did and inexplicably fail to
reveal their COI."
Am 14.09.2015 um 22:52 schrieb John D'Orazio:
Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He
still has to
I'll try to change it too. If someone on wikipedia reverts an edit up to
three times without founded reason, they can be blocked by a wikipedia
moderator. So they won't be able to continue reverting forever...
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
https://twitter.com/davidgerard
Am 14.09.2015 um 17:03 schrieb Max Merbald:
I changed it back. Who is this David Gerard person who obviously wants
to damage OpenOffice?
Am 14.09.2015 um 16:48 schrieb Donald Whytock:
There was a minor skirmish last week over it. Looks like there'll be one
On 10/09/2015 Max Merbald wrote:
If people read on the Wikipedia that AOO is "dormant"
OpenOffice is not dormant, as of today. A link that can dispel the myth is
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2
(and blog posts that will come, but this is enough for the time
Sorry, I missed the infobox when I looked at the page. You're right,
having "Dormant" there is flat out wrong and very misleading.
I changed it to "Active" just now and added a ref pointer to the 4.1.2
release schedule that Andrea just provided. I just hope there aren't
certain parties with a
Hi Phil,
what I meant was the infobox at the top right. In that box it says that
AOO is dormat, which is not correct and which is not in the citations.
The presence of a citation does not necessry mean that the claimed info
is in the citation. If people read on the Wikipedia that AOO is
One solution is to write small but hopeful press releases of progress on the
blog or otherwhere and have someone else update wikipedia.
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I just looked at the Wikipedia page and don't see anything that's -
strictly speaking - incorrect, or lacking citations. IOW, I don't see any
supportable rationale for removing anything that's there, although one
could question the motives of whoever made it a point to call out some
concerns
Hi Max,
> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:31, Max Merbald wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> the Engish Wikipedia claims that AOO is dormant. I can't see where they have
> the information from. The sources they use don't say so. I think it's
> definitely bad for OpenOffice when people think no
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