Re: [dev] can i use MAP_PIXEL instead of APPFONT?

2010-12-06 Thread Frank Schönheit
Hi limerlin, in XXX.src file: Set the size and location use of MAP_APPFONT My question is:Why use MAP_APPFONT? Can i use MAP_PIXEL? I think MAP_PIXEL more convenient。 While pixel might be more convenient, it would be a guaranteed way to break your

RE: [dev] can i use MAP_PIXEL instead of APPFONT?

2010-12-06 Thread limerlin
Frank ,thank you very much. Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:19:39 +0100 From: frank.schoenh...@oracle.com To: dev@openoffice.org Subject: Re: [dev] can i use MAP_PIXEL instead of APPFONT? Hi limerlin, in XXX.src file: Set the size and location use of MAP_APPFONT My question is:Why

[dev] can i use MAP_PIXEL instead of APPFONT?

2010-12-05 Thread limerlin
hi. in XXX.src file: Set the size and location use of MAP_APPFONT My question is:Why use MAP_APPFONT? Can i use MAP_PIXEL? I think MAP_PIXEL more convenient。

Re: [dev] Can application work well in the system without installing OOo !

2010-05-15 Thread Qzi er
I am thinking how to develop a application with odb inside using c++! Maybe it will be used in some machines without OOo ! It can just record the data without open it ! I will open it in my machine ! can it ? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Mathias Bauer nospamfor...@gmx.de wrote: On

Re: [dev] Can application work well in the system without installing OOo !

2010-05-15 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Qzi er hotseason...@gmail.com wrote: I am thinking how to develop a application with odb inside using c++! Maybe it will be used in some machines without OOo ! It can just record the data without open it ! I will open it in my machine ! can it ? Have

Re: [dev] Can application work well in the system without installing OOo !

2010-05-15 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Qzi er, Le 15 mai 2010 à 19:13, Alexandro Colorado a écrit : On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Qzi er hotseason...@gmail.com wrote: I am thinking how to develop a application with odb inside using c++! Maybe it will be used in some machines without OOo ! It can just record

Re: [dev] Can application work well in the system without installing OOo !

2010-05-15 Thread eric b
Le 15 mai 10 à 19:23, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : I think that if you want to stick to c ++ you may find more resources here: http://www.odftoolkit.org ; otherwise I'll coin in the project I'm working on: http://www.lpod-project.org :-) Can we see your code ? /me curious -- qɔᴉɹə

Re: [dev] Can application work well in the system without installing OOo !

2010-05-15 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le 15 mai 2010 à 19:46, eric b a écrit : Le 15 mai 10 à 19:23, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : I think that if you want to stick to c ++ you may find more resources here: http://www.odftoolkit.org ; otherwise I'll coin in the project I'm working on: http://www.lpod-project.org :-)

Re: [dev] Can application work well in the system without installing OOo !

2010-05-15 Thread Qzi er
I am just learning the uno ! some types of sdk and open , save a document in console ! but I will do that later ! if a app created , I can send you ! On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:46 AM, eric b eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Le 15 mai 10 à 19:23, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : I think that

Re: [dev] Can application work well in the system without installing OOo !

2010-05-15 Thread Qzi er
I am so happy to know more info about OOo like http://www.odftoolkit.org ... - ODFDOM http://odftoolkit.org/projects/odfdom/pages/Home, Java - AODL http://odftoolkit.org/projects/aodl/pages/Home, .NET ( C# ) Can it use in c++ ? On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Qzi er

Re: [dev] Can an .xcu fragment add a value to a string-list

2008-12-17 Thread Mathias Bauer
Caolán McNamara wrote: If there is a configuration property of a tyle oor:string-list I can *replace* the entire value, but is it possible to *add* a value to the string-list with an xcu fragment, e.g. append an entry to say PreferredImplementations in Canvas or to add to an existing

[dev] can not

2008-12-12 Thread Nguyen Vu Hung
FYI, I see a lot of can not in the file connectivity/source/resource.po. As far as I can tell, it should be cannot. For example, #: conn_shared_res.src#STR_CAN_NOT_CREATE_ROW.string.text msgid A new row can not be created. msgstr Không tạo Ä'ược dòng má»›i. -- Best Regards, Nguyen Hung

[dev] Can an .xcu fragment add a value to a string-list

2008-12-10 Thread Caolán McNamara
If there is a configuration property of a tyle oor:string-list I can *replace* the entire value, but is it possible to *add* a value to the string-list with an xcu fragment, e.g. append an entry to say PreferredImplementations in Canvas or to add to an existing UserPaths entry C.

Re: [dev] Can Writer be used as an embedded WYSIWYG editor?

2008-06-27 Thread Mathias Bauer
Aaron Digulla wrote: Hello, I'm working on an application for novel writers. One of the most important parts is the text editor. Right now, I'm at a loss which way is better: Should I embed OO in my application or is it more simple to rewrite OO to match my needs? Both is possible

[dev] Can Writer be used as an embedded WYSIWYG editor?

2008-06-19 Thread Aaron Digulla
Hello, I'm working on an application for novel writers. One of the most important parts is the text editor. Right now, I'm at a loss which way is better: Should I embed OO in my application or is it more simple to rewrite OO to match my needs? Basically, I just need a rich text editor

[dev] 答复: [dev] Can we use AWT in our product?

2008-05-25 Thread 李湛
much. Thank you again. Best Wishes~ -邮件原件- 发件人: Bernd Eilers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 发送时间: 2008年5月23日 21:07 收件人: dev@openoffice.org 主题: Re: [dev] Can we use AWT in our product? Hi Lizhan! Well I am not a lawyer but well it´s LGPL so principally you could use it as long as you stick

Re: Re: [dev] Can we use AWT in our product?

2008-05-23 Thread 李湛
give us some advises about corresponding legal issue? Thanks again! Best Wishes. -邮件原件- 发件人: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 发送时间: 2008年5月23日 13:07 收件人: dev@openoffice.org 主题: Re: [dev] Can we use AWT in our product? LiZhan(李湛) wrote: Hi everyone, we are planning to develop

Re: [dev] Can we use AWT in our product?

2008-05-23 Thread Bernd Eilers
:07 收件人: dev@openoffice.org 主题: Re: [dev] Can we use AWT in our product? LiZhan(李湛) wrote: Hi everyone, we are planning to develop several new commercial products for our company, and we need a cross-platform GUI lib used as their base GUI module. So can we use AWT(certainly with GSL and VCL

Re: Re: [dev] Can we use AWT in our product?

2008-05-23 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 14:44 +0800, LiZhan(李湛) wrote: Hi Juergen Thank you for your help and suggestion. The product we are to develop will use C++ for developing language. It's purely new, also we lack experiences for cross-platform. So we prefer to use AWT. I would be you, I'd just

Re: [dev] Can we use AWT in our product?

2008-05-23 Thread Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg
Hi Juergen, after recent discussions with other open source people, it seems that perception of OOo is not optimal in the FLOSS world. If I understood correctly, we may be able to improve that, if we spin-off parts of our technology, e.g. as we did / are doing with Uno. So, even if VCL and

[dev] Can we use AWT in our product?

2008-05-22 Thread 李湛
Hi everyone, we are planning to develop several new commercial products for our company, and we need a cross-platform GUI lib used as their base GUI module. So can we use AWT(certainly with GSL and VCL) of OpenOffice.org in our program? Does every module in OpenOffice.org follow the LGPL? Hope

[dev] Can OOo objects be used in-process?

2008-05-09 Thread rick cameron
Hi I am just starting to learn about the OOo APIs. I have managed to get a very simple Java program that uses Bootstrap.bootstrap and XComponentContext.getServiceManager working, and noticed that when I run it a couple of new processes start (soffice.exe and soffice.bin). I haven't managed to

Re: [dev] Can OOo objects be used in-process?

2008-05-09 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Rick, rick cameron escribió: Hi I am just starting to learn about the OOo APIs. I have managed to get a very simple Java program that uses Bootstrap.bootstrap and XComponentContext.getServiceManager working, and noticed that when I run it a couple of new processes start (soffice.exe and

Re: [dev] can someone please help me i am using open office 2.1.......

2008-02-10 Thread Paul
i was working on my book when the prgram froze. when i restarted my computer i was unable to retrieve it. well i had to go through some ascII filter then the text document. all 36 pages of it were dislayed as ###3 signs. it is very important to me to recover my book. it is 5 months

Re: [dev] can someone please help me i am using open office 2.1.......

2008-02-10 Thread Michael Kennedy
i was working on my book when the prgram froze. when i restarted my computer i was unable to retrieve it. well i had to go through some ascII filter then the text document. all 36 pages of it were dislayed as ###3 signs. it is very important to me to recover my book. it is 5 months of

Re: [dev] can anybody explain the funtioan of selectionManager call

2007-10-17 Thread Mathias Bauer
gaopeng wrote: hi , all I want to know how to implement myself clipboard on linux platform , I have read clipboard source code of the openoffice.org , but I still have some doubts for some code . I searched these , but there is not in the url http://api.openoffice.org/ . my

[dev] can anybody explain the funtioan of selectionManager call

2007-10-12 Thread gaopeng
hi , all I want to know how to implement myself clipboard on linux platform , I have read clipboard source code of the openoffice.org , but I still have some doubts for some code . I searched these , but there is not in the url http://api.openoffice.org/ . my question is following : 1:

[dev] can anybody explain the funtioan of selectionManager call

2007-10-12 Thread gaopeng
hi , all I want to know how to implement myself clipboard on linux platform , I have read clipboard source code of the openoffice.org , but I still have some doubts for some code . I searched these , but there is not in the url http://api.openoffice.org/ . my question is following : 1:

Re: [dev] Can not build OO.org 2.3 (G680_m2) on win32

2007-08-27 Thread An Drouizig
Pavel, As I said in my previous e-mail, this comes from ^M added in some lines of the bootstrap file. once removed I get the second issue... (SRC_ROOT not taken into account). Ok let's wait for Volker... Phil Skrivet eo bet gant Pavel Janík: I was still using 4NT because of some config issues

Re: [dev] Can not build OO.org 2.3 (G680_m2) on win32

2007-08-27 Thread Mathias Bauer
An Drouizig wrote: thank you Pavel, I was still using 4NT because of some config issues with bash... here is the first of them... any hint ? $ ./bootstrap : No such file or directoryive/c/ooo_OOG680_m2_src/winenv.set.sh at this stage I had to remove ^M in some lines of the bootstrap

Re: [dev] Can not build OO.org 2.3 (G680_m2) on win32

2007-08-27 Thread An Drouizig
ok thank you Mathias, I have been able to solve my first issues by dos2unix bootstrap and winenv.set.sh unfortunately the build does not go much further... (both startup.mk and build.pl are present in my system though...) [EMAIL PROTECTED] /cygdrive/c/ooo_OOG680_m2_src $ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[dev] Can not build OO.org 2.3 (G680_m2) on win32

2007-08-26 Thread An Drouizig
Hello all, This email is just to report an issue I have building recent OO.org src tar balls (post 2.2.1). I have been building OO.org src tar balls since ver 1.1.4 to ver 2.2.1 without too many difficulty, on XP SP2, since about 4 years now (with 4NT, I recently used the latest version

Re: [dev] Can not build OO.org 2.3 (G680_m2) on win32

2007-08-26 Thread Pavel Janík
Hi, On 26.8.2007, at 16:08, An Drouizig wrote: --with-use-shell=4nt your main problem is this. Use bash instead. using 4NT is not supported at all by configure. -- Pavel Janík - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [dev] Can not build OO.org 2.3 (G680_m2) on win32

2007-08-26 Thread Pavel Janík
I was still using 4NT because of some config issues with bash... here is the first of them... any hint ? $ ./bootstrap : No such file or directoryive/c/ooo_OOG680_m2_src/winenv.set.sh Interesting - where is /cygr? I think this have to wait for Volker. -- Pavel Janík

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-07 Thread Bernd Eilers
Mathias Bauer wrote: Hi Thorsten, [... snip ...] And also again: let's stop this discussion (and especially allegations obviously caused by misunderstandings) until we have got information about what the tests cover exactly and if this is what we want. Do you think it makes sense to break

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Bernd, Bernd Eilers wrote: Why not mix it? because these kind of tests need to be done by the developer itself. If the developer wants to enhance these tests he can do it without changing processes. The regression tests, where we have talked about, are being done by OTHER people - not

Re: [dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Bjoern! Thank you for your comments. Bjoern Milcke wrote: P.S.: I must admit that I don't know how much of the infrastructure I used is also available to non-Sun-employees, but I think the idea is to make everything available to everybody in the long run. The solution which has to be

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi! Bernd Eilers wrote: Why not mix it? I forgot something: As described in the tool support for life-cycle testing in Software Test Automation, Mark Fewster Dorothy Graham, Addison Wesley, 1999, ISBN 0-201-33140-3, on page 7, the tool support is available for testing in every stage of

Re: [dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Jörg Jahnke wrote: Hi, thanks for the many replies so far. As far as I see it, there are three major concerns: - The regression tests might take too long to run, - the regression tests might be too cumbersome to execute, - the findings of the regression tests might not justify the

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Joerg Sievers wrote: 2.2.0 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease1AutomationTestMatrix #i71529 - Crash while pasting OLE in Calc #i70517 - Office process does not end after exit (was i71766) #i71882 - Crash while search into Starsuite Help - Fixed in OOE680m6 #i71891 - Crash

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Thorsten Ziehm wrote: Hi Stefan, the same for automated GUI testing with TestTool. They can run in parallel on different machines. I also think that the API tests could be changed easily to run in parallel on one machine, something that is important if you see the growing use of multi core

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Ziehm wrote: as you are directly answering to me I assume that your mail should also address me but you completely missed my point. Though my hope was that I had made my standpoint clear it seems that I failed to do so. I hope I get it through this time. I don't want to

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: So again: I want to get a good compromise between effort (hours to run) and result (coverage of code that is known to be prone to regressions). So before I can agree to any regression testing I must know if this testing really investigates the parts of the

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Jörg, Jörg Jahnke wrote: I agree that a good compromise between effort and result should be found. But you seem to miss the point that the planned tests are not meant to do Unit Testing but are on a different level of testing, which is System Testing (up into the area of Integration

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Mathias Bauer
Jörg Jahnke wrote: Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: So again: I want to get a good compromise between effort (hours to run) and result (coverage of code that is known to be prone to regressions). So before I can agree to any regression testing I must know if this testing really

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-05 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: I agree that a good compromise between effort and result should be found. But you seem to miss the point that the planned tests are not meant to do Unit Testing but are on a different level of testing, which is System Testing (up into the area of Integration

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Mathias and Martin, most of you want to find regressions in less than an hour. These tooling doesn't exists for a complex program like OpenOffice.org. Christoph wrote that all API-tests will run more than 4 hours. And API testing is one of the quickest tests which exists. I want the same as

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Eike, Eike Rathke wrote: Maybe that's part of how the problem was perceived: discussions _internal to Sun_. Or was Rene involved? Did he even know there was a discussion ongoing? - internal to Sun - I thought, that was the meaning of some mailings here in this threat. If I'm wrong, sorry.

Re: [dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, thanks for the many replies so far. As far as I see it, there are three major concerns: - The regression tests might take too long to run, - the regression tests might be too cumbersome to execute, - the findings of the regression tests might not justify the efforts to run them.

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Stefan, the same for automated GUI testing with TestTool. They can run in parallel on different machines. Thorsten Stefan Zimmermann wrote: ... and that is exactly what Christoph wrote... The UNO-API test will be a distributed test. Means, that the whole API is splitted into small

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Bernd Eilers
Hi there! Jörg Jahnke wrote: Hi Hennes, Hennes Rohling schrieb: ... But don't make everything mandatory. If I change a string in the setup or change platform dependend code for systemintegration I don't want to do a mandatory test that tests whether all dialogs in the Calc still work.

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Martin, Martin Hollmichel wrote: Do we have some statistics in which areas we have what amount of regressions ? Yes * for releases and only * only for show stopper-tasks All these issues have been introduced in child-workspaces (CWS) and have been found by automated GUI tests. It would

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi! Stefan Zimmermann wrote: That information can't be right. API tests are highly parallelized and should be able to complete in 30min to one hour. But these kind of tests we didn't discussed in this thread. Sorry. We have talked about the third kind of tests (after unit- and API-tests).

Re: [dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Bjoern Milcke
Hi all, Hi, thanks for the many replies so far. As far as I see it, there are three major concerns: - The regression tests might take too long to run, - the regression tests might be too cumbersome to execute, - the findings of the regression tests might not justify the efforts to run them.

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Bernd, Analyse code coverage of each and every test and than compare to modules added to the CWS and than when running the tests automatically just run those which cover modules added to the CWS? We would just need a table in some database somewhere where individual tests are assigned to a

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-04 Thread Bernd Eilers
Joerg Sievers wrote: Hi! Hi there! Stefan Zimmermann wrote: That information can't be right. API tests are highly parallelized and should be able to complete in 30min to one hour. But these kind of tests we didn't discussed in this thread. Sorry. We have talked about the third kind

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Mathias Bauer
Jörg Jahnke wrote: But I agree that a proper selection of tests is a good idea. Perhaps a user should be able to call e.g. dmake regressiontests -run:sw,basic to execute special tests for the writer and the basic. You misunderstood me. I took that for granted. But I also think that before

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Mathias Bauer
Thorsten Ziehm wrote: We will never find all regressions with TestTool or any other tooling or human testing. This has nothing to do with 'release testing' or so. We do not have test cases which identify problems in displaying documents or something similar. Perhaps intensive usage of

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Ingrid Halama
Hi Frank, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Joerg, We haven't identified the tests. The requirements was that they should be rock solid and we have given those RESOURCE and MAIN FUNCTIONALITY tests to customers and they were able to deal with them. It makes sense to use

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Rüdiger Timm
Mathias Bauer wrote: [...] Anything else would be insane. I took that for granted. But I also want to believe that running several hours of tests for e.g. automatic styles would be worth the effort. This is a good example where I suspect that possible regressions would stay unnoticed by

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Hennes, [...] What you wrote is an argument against automated regression tests on CWSs . If we are not able to detect regression on whatever workspace (MWS/CWS), we don't even need to think about it. I do not understand your points here. I give an example where all test mechanism we have

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Frank, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany schrieb: Hi Joerg, Do you agree to make regression testing with the testttol BEFORE you (the developer) give your work to the QA to get CWSes faster integrated? You won't have to maintain the testing code neither do you have to learn the

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Rene, Rene Engelhard schrieb: Or imagine such a test run (failing or not) short before a release, where you have a small CWS fixing a showstopper only. We don't really want to have a mandatory 3 day delay in such situations, do we? Best example currently: cws freetypettg. tiny *security*

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi! Thorsten Behrens wrote: I'm really not sure we're all still on the same page here. I would hope that QA runs something quite similar to the suggested minimal set of tests on _every_ CWS anyway - so this has nothing to do with the tests being mandatory or run more often - it's about *when*

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Mathias Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure if you understood my concern. Let me put it simple: what makes us think that the current tests we are talking about that AFAIK have been used in QA for testing the master for quite some time will help to find regressions that currently stay

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Rüdiger, Rüdiger Timm schrieb: Jörg Jahnke wrote: Hi Hennes, Hennes Rohling schrieb: ... But don't make everything mandatory. If I change a string in the setup or change platform dependend code for systemintegration I don't want to do a mandatory test that tests whether all dialogs in

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: Jörg Jahnke wrote: But I agree that a proper selection of tests is a good idea. Perhaps a user should be able to call e.g. dmake regressiontests -run:sw,basic to execute special tests for the writer and the basic. You misunderstood me. I took that for

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Rene, I do not want to discuss CWSes here in detail? On the way to OOo 2.3 we integrated more than 180 CWS in the last 3 months and at the end we will be near 400. Perhaps 10% of them do not need mandatory automated tests for 4-8 hours. But in some cases the developer and the QA persons do

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Frank, Hmm. Even today I have sometimes 3 or more CWS' to handle in parallel. If the life time of a CWS becomes longer, it will become more difficult to keep track of what you're doing. If a test fails after three days, but meantime you started another project/CWS which you cannot leave

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: So I do not think, that it make sense to discuss only the 'release testing' mode. In the past the regressions were integrated before the QA started with switching in this mode. I'm not sure if you understood my concern. Let me put it simple: what makes us

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Rene, Or imagine such a test run (failing or not) short before a release, where you have a small CWS fixing a showstopper only. We don't really want to have a mandatory 3 day delay in such situations, do we? Best example currently: cws freetypettg. tiny *security* patch. (As the freetype

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Joerg Sievers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thorsten Behrens wrote: yes, I definitely think it's worth it. But please make it run automagically and unattended - just like the smoketest does. Do you agree on these two sentences? The first step in introducing a process is that it should run

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi! Thorsten Behrens wrote: So, what are you referring to? Let us collect constraints about the idea itselves and not about the tool or how to use it. That's the third step to introduce something. Cu, Jogi http://qa.openoffice.org/qatesttool

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Mathias Bauer
Jörg Jahnke wrote: See above. I think we are talking about different levels of testing. Of course. And I'm still waiting to become convinced that the level of testing that you suggest or more exactly the way it is implemented has enough value to judge the effort. So let's see how the tests

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Rene Engelhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Thorsten Ziehm wrote: Or imagine such a test run (failing or not) short before a release, where you have a small CWS fixing a showstopper only. We don't really want to have a mandatory 3 day delay in such situations, do we? Best example

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Rene Engelhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [ better late than never... ] Hi, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Why is it a serious hurdle to wait let's say 3 days? For me this is not so obvious. Imagine your frustration what happens if the test fails after 2 days and

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Joerg Sievers wrote: - if a resource file is broken or missing the office will crash if you open the affected dialog; that's what these resource tests are doing: Open all dialogs once, click on every button and leave all dialogs with Cancel - a list of business cards, a list of colors, a

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Mathias Bauer
Martin Hollmichel wrote: Do we have some statistics in which areas we have what amount of regressions ? For example I would think that regression caused by broken resources doesn't occur that much any more, are also easy to find by broad testing. On the other hand I could image that

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-06-01 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Thorsten, On Friday, 2007-06-01 12:22:25 +0200, Thorsten Ziehm wrote: 6 days from RfQA to QA approval (running tests?), now we are on the 8th and miss the release date because rc3 will only be uploaded today/monday (why do we need a rc3 anyway?) and keep our users one week more with open

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Ingrid Halama
Hi Frank, all, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: [...] I'm not voting against tests which finish in a reasonable time frame (and fulfill other requirements said in the thread), but 3 days is quite a lot of time ... Given all the other requirements and granted all the other

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Christoph, Christoph Neumann wrote: Hi, Thorsten Ziehm schrieb: Hi Mathias, Do you think it's worth it? I think it's not primarly the matter of running the regression-suite before QA approval but to have a small set of meaningful regression tests available ? Exactly, and I would

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Jörg, [...] Ause just informed me about another solution that might remove the need to have the test run on every CWS i.e. we wouldn't need to have the tests mandatory. His idea is to run the tests on the Master Workspace prior to announcing the CWS as ready for CWS use. If a test fails

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Rüdiger, Rüdiger Timm schrieb: Ause just informed me about another solution that might remove the need to have the test run on every CWS i.e. we wouldn't need to have the tests mandatory. His idea is to run the tests on the Master Workspace prior to announcing the CWS as ready for CWS

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Martin Hollmichel wrote: Jörg Jahnke schrieb: Hi, one of the questions is whether it would be acceptable for everyone to run a small regression test-suite prior to the QA-approval of a CWS. These tests would probably run several hours, depending on the hardware being used, and therefore

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer wrote: Martin Hollmichel wrote: Jörg Jahnke schrieb: Hi, one of the questions is whether it would be acceptable for everyone to run a small regression test-suite prior to the QA-approval of a CWS. These tests would probably run several hours, depending on the

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Mathias Bauer
Thorsten Ziehm wrote: There is something else that should be thought-provoking: AFAIK most or nearly all discovered regressions we had on the master in the last releases haven't been found by the existing automated tests. They have been found by manual testing of users. So what makes us think

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Thorsten Ziehm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That way a developer could get an _optional_ means at hand of doing regression tests, with no obligation to always run these tests. If the developer feels that he should run the tests, then he could do so and invest the (machine) time. If he thinks

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer schrieb: ... I know that each and every test I can make is able to find bugs and also regressions. This is a correct but nevertheless trivial statement that of course noone would deny. But for the same reason why QA nowadays does not execute each and every test we

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Thorsten Ziehm
Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer wrote: [...] You are right, there were not found all regressions in Master by the automated tests. But some of them were found, when some more tests are mandatory. In the past only 2 smaller tests are mandatory for approving a CWS. Many testers run more than these

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi! Oliver Specht - Sun Germany -Hamburg wrote: Do you have such tests? Those that are able to find more regressions than they overlook? Those that run only several hours not weeks like the current ones? Yes. Cu, Jogi http://qa.openoffice.org/qatesttool

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Frank, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: That'd be inacceptable for required tests. Yes. Tests are only useful if you are able to track down the problem with a reasonable effort. If the outcome of the test is foo failed, but it takes you hours to just identify what foo

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi! Mathias Bauer wrote: Exactly, and I would prefer to have regression tests based on the API or complex test framework and not based on the GUI testtool. We shouldn't raise even more barriers to contribution. Validating two different pairs of shoes here. API testing is a step in front of

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Martin, Martin Hollmichel wrote: 1. Test should be repoducible and generate easy to read and unambigious logs with clear error codes. clear is very ambigious :-) For those who have read the manual it is like reading English language for others it is very unclear. The Test

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Jörg Jörg Jahnke wrote: I agree that we shouldn't raise additional barriers that keep people from contributing code. So the question might be how to do more testing without adding a discernable barrier. that's why I haven't started the game ever You aksed for a go to put the ALREADY

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Jörg, Jörg Jahnke wrote: Efficiency is important. Thus my insisting on first discussing and selecting the tests and then deciding how to deal with them. If you think that the 45 test cases identified by the QA team are a proper selection we should have a closer look on them and identify

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Hennes Rohling
Thorsten Ziehm wrote: Hi Mathias, Mathias Bauer wrote: [...] You are right, there were not found all regressions in Master by the automated tests. But some of them were found, when some more tests are mandatory. In the past only 2 smaller tests are mandatory for approving a CWS. Many testers

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Joerg Sievers
Hi Hennes, ever seen that page? http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/AutomationTeamsite/ooQA-TeamAutomationTestlist.html We will collect the tests which have the Category 1. And we are able to see that sw has been changed and not sc Again, that wasn't the suggestion Joerg Jahnke

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi Hennes, Hennes Rohling schrieb: ... But don't make everything mandatory. If I change a string in the setup or change platform dependend code for systemintegration I don't want to do a mandatory test that tests whether all dialogs in the Calc still work. - Hennes The problem with not

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germa ny
Hi Joerg, Do you agree to make regression testing with the testttol BEFORE you (the developer) give your work to the QA to get CWSes faster integrated? You won't have to maintain the testing code neither do you have to learn the script language or debugging the test code Hmm? Do you

Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] Can we do more regression testing?

2007-05-31 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germ any
Hi Ingrid, Given all the other requirements and granted all the other concerns, back to the pure time question. It's still not obvious to me what the problem is with for example 3 days. Is it really only the psychological thing? Not only, but probably also. Or is there more? Hmm. Even

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