[dev] Re: [dev-educ] Re: [tools-dev] Re: [dev-educ] Wiki Cleanup: Mission Accomplished (Mostly)
Hi Bjorn, bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany a écrit : On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:31:21 +0200 eric eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Why yet another war against Education Project ? No need for paranoia. Yes, sure, since I read that I alienate developers and that people wrote reports about me, I really wonder ... For the one who want to understand, the essential is there : http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=29398 I won't : this is an important IRC meeting, made with students, and it *must* be kept : this is the history of the project that you want to delete. Please read again what I wrote: I do not want to delete those pages, If so, do not write they will be deleted. Best Regards and thanks to all who helped out, If you remove the IRC meeting, I'll stop immediately to contribute to the OpenOffice.org Wiki, and I'll publically explain what happened. Is it really that hard to add [[Category:Education/Minutes]] to the text that you copy-pasted? I dont think so. You probably could have done that on all Education Minutes currently on the Wiki in less time it took you to write this mail. Sure, if presented/asked differently, this would have been no problem at all. Regards, Eric cBachard -- Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/news - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Re: [dev-educ] Re: [tools-dev] Re: [dev-educ] Wiki Cleanup: Mission Accomplished (Mostly)
eric wrote (31-03-10 10:18) bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany a écrit : eric eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Why yet another war against Education Project ? No need for paranoia. Yes, sure, since I read that I alienate developers and that people wrote reports about me, I really wonder ... For the one who want to understand, the essential is there : http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=29398 Pls be brave here Eric, and point to your lacking response on the reply to that mail. Regards, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
[dev] [OT] Re: [dev-educ] Wiki Cleanup: Mission Accomplished (Mostly)
Hi, Le 30 mars 10 à 08:45, Cor Nouws a écrit : eric wrote (31-03-10 10:18) bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany a écrit : eric eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Why yet another war against Education Project ? No need for paranoia. Yes, sure, since I read that I alienate developers and that people wrote reports about me, I really wonder ... For the one who want to understand, the essential is there : http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=29398 Pls be brave here Eric, and point to your lacking response on the reply to that mail. Please explain me who wrote reports about me, and point me the content of these reports. Thanks, Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə
Re: [dev] [OT] Re: [dev-educ] Wiki Cleanup: Mission Accomplished (Mostly)
eric b wrote (30-03-10 08:51) Le 30 mars 10 à 08:45, Cor Nouws a écrit : eric wrote (31-03-10 10:18) bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany a écrit : eric eric.bach...@free.fr wrote: Why yet another war against Education Project ? No need for paranoia. Yes, sure, since I read that I alienate developers and that people wrote reports about me, I really wonder ... For the one who want to understand, the essential is there : http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=29398 Pls be brave here Eric, and point to your lacking response on the reply to that mail. Please explain me who wrote reports about me, and point me the content of these reports. I have no idea what reports Louis talked about, if it were written ones or just conversations or whatever. And I quote my reply: I read in the log that you seems to do so. And also I read in the log that Louis is willing to communicate with you and Alexandro. That is why we in the council have attention for this and invite you over and again to communicate in details about not specific complaints that you make. Because we do need to understand your reasons and experiences. Looking at this specific thread here (and on d...@education, where it started), it is obvious that the way Bjoern wrote things down, gave you the idea that it was a war against the Education Project. Which is a pity. But happily by now it is clear that that was not the case. Best, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Question
Le 29.03.2010 20:00, Emília Alezárová a écrit : Good day When will the new OpenOffice 3.2? Hi, OpenOffice.org 3.2 is already released. Please have a look at http://download.openoffice.org/index.html Regards. JBF -- Jean-Baptiste Faure French N-L project Lead http://fr.openoffice.org Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents.
Re: [dev] operator delete mismatch
My thanks go to Stephan Bergmann, who also responded to my question.
On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 15:00 +0200, Eike Rathke wrote:
Hi Terrence,
On Friday, 2010-03-26 13:42:28 -0400, Terrence Enger wrote:
However, I have not found what library holds the object code for
operators_new_delete.cxx.
Let's see.. operators_new_delete.cxx is in sal/cpprt/, the
sal/cpprt/makefile.mk says TARGET=salcpprt, then for $(OS) !=
SOLARIS we have LIB1ARCHIV containing $(TARGET), so the resulting
archive is libsalcpprt.a, which then per solenv/inc/$INPATH.mk and
solenv/inc/tg_app.mk is linked to applications.
I had found libsalcpprt.a using nm and grep. Silly me, I did not look
farther than lib/.
I tried changing the source in operators_new_delete.cxx, but a rebuild
did not reflect changes. I presume ...
(a) Something in the build process does not recognize a dependency
that it should. Does this sound plausible? Should something be
fixed? Alas, I do not know enough even to think about the
question.
Linkage dependencies are not tracked, a long outstanding deficiency..
a (quite) safe bet is to
rm */$INPATH/{lib,bin}/*
Where INPATH is unxlngi6 for me, right?
I dunno how I screwed up, but I ended up unable to build. I now have
started over from the tarfiles and will carry on from there.
and build all. Given that apparently only applications are affected
here, a rm */$INPATH/bin/* might do as well.
(b) A full build will incorporate my changes. It should not be long
until _m76.
The assertion failures are so distracting that I am considering
removing the source line altogether from _m76 when it comes out.
Strong veto. This is the only safe mechanism to detect these errors,
which are real errors as the alloc/free procedures differ between array
and non-array allocations.
After all, it seems that most people do not even try to use a
non-production build.
IIRC the assertion is thrown only in a unxlng* non-product build, most
developers using non-product builds unfortunately do this on Windows,
developers building their own on Linux unfortunately don't use
non-products because it has to be explicitly enabled during configure
(to be changed?).
A website page about building OOo says that non-product builds are
used almost exclusively within Sun. For a long time, I incorrectly
took that to be a warning that they are hard to accomplish rather than
merely a description of a regrettable state of affairs. Perhaps we do
not want to encourage a non-product build for a newcomer's very first
attempt, but I could have been finding these assertions long ago.
Would a change to the website be in order?
( Heh, I had a reason for trying a non-product build. Maybe I will
eventually get around to dealing with that. Maybe. )
So the set of developers actually using Linux
non-products is quite small.
If I had hope of being able to track down more causes, that would
change my attitude.
Please change your attitude nevertheless ;-)
Consider it changed. So long as I am making a positive contribution.
( I think, though, that I am giving up on trying to use a non-product
build when I actually want to get work done grin /. )
It seems you have hit an area that introduced these errors quite
recently. I usually work with non-products and didn't encounter any up
to m73 or so, working mainly within in Calc though.
I wandered into Base. On a hug-a-bug day over there, issue 94543
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94543 caught my
attention, and the rest follows from that. Some of it follows at
quite some distance.
Part of that following at a distance included figuring out how to use
detached debugging symbols to get a more informative backtrace the
first time an assertion comes up. I start to feel conspicuous about
the number of issues I have been submitting.
Thank you for the help.
Terry.
Eike
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Re: [dev] operator delete mismatch
Hi Terrence, A website page about building OOo says that non-product builds are used almost exclusively within Sun. For a long time, I incorrectly took that to be a warning that they are hard to accomplish rather than merely a description of a regrettable state of affairs. Perhaps we do not want to encourage a non-product build for a newcomer's very first attempt, but I could have been finding these assertions long ago. Would a change to the website be in order? Certainly, go ahead. Ciao Frank -- - Frank Schönheit, Software Engineer frank.schoenh...@sun.com - - Sun Microsystems http://www.sun.com/staroffice - - OpenOffice.org Impress http://graphics.openoffice.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
[dev] change Xcu with extension
I am trying to configure my Open Office 3.2 per Extension (change the standard setting). My System is Windows XP (SP3). For example I try to change some entries in the existing .xcu files. My question is related to the usage of xcu files within the Extension (Configuration Data). Is that a “good” way to change settings, or is it better to change the data with the UNO-Api. There are some flags within the xcu files like “fuse” “replace” and “finalized”, but I didn’t find some good documentation about all flags and options I can set in those xcu files. I tried to change some entries in the “Paths.xcu” but I only managed to change the entries with the usage of “finalized”. Is that a must or does that effect only exists in a few files? FOR Example: Paths.xcu node oor:name=Gallery oor:op=fuse oor:mandatory=true node oor:name=InternalPaths node oor:name=$(insturl)/share/gallery oor:op=fuse/ /node prop oor:name=WritePath value$(userurl)/gallery/value /prop /node ---myPath.xcu here i change the path within the extension node oor:name=Gallery prop oor:name=UserPaths oor:type=oor:string-list oor:finalized=true valuefile:///D:/DATEN/benutzer/OpenOffice/gallery/value /prop prop oor:name=WritePath oor:type=xs:string oor:finalized=true valuefile:///D:/DATEN/benutzer/OpenOffice/gallery/value /prop /node It would be great if somebody knows a list or documentation about Flags and Options used in xcu files PS: there are some side effect by the usage of finalized If I use finalized in the “node” tag the entry is overwritten and locked (example: “Paths.xcu”) If I use it in the “prop” tag the entry is overwritten and not locked If I use “replace” nothing has changed, at least in my tests -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/change-Xcu-with-extension-tp28081556p28081556.html Sent from the openoffice - dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] operator delete mismatch
On 03/30/10 13:31, Terrence Enger wrote: ( I think, though, that I am giving up on trying to use a non-product build when I actually want to get work done grin /. ) :) That's exactly the reason why I want those non-pros to be effectively assertion free---which in turn I believe can only be achieved by letting assertions abort. (Couldn't resist commenting here, but don't want to re-heat the corresponding discussion, at least not for now...) -Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] change Xcu with extension
On 03/30/10 14:07, sponmonster wrote: For example I try to change some entries in the existing .xcu files. My question is related to the usage of xcu files within the Extension (Configuration Data). Is that a “good” way to change settings, or is it better to change the data with the UNO-Api. If your extension makes specific, fixed settings, I would prefer an .xcu file. It would be great if somebody knows a list or documentation about Flags and Options used in xcu files See http://util.openoffice.org/common/configuration/oor-document-format.html. -Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
[dev] Re: operator delete mismatch
On 30/03/2010 13:31, Terrence Enger wrote: ( I think, though, that I am giving up on trying to use a non-product build when I actually want to get work done grin /. ) before resorting to such extreme measures as not using non-product builds, try the debug dialog (Control-Shift-Alt-D). it lets you change assertion reporting from a dialog box to output on stderr (the option is called shell), or to a window. you can also increase your level of annoyance by enabling warnings as well :) regards, michael -- Although many software patents have unfortunately already been granted in the past, I hope that this practice will not continue in future. If Europe leads the way in this, I expect many Americans would want to emigrate so that they could continue to innovate in peace. -- Donald E Knuth - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
[dev] Re: Problems building OOO320_m14 on Windows.
Ok I see the problem now, it seems that the makefile.rc was messed up when changing copyright notice and invalid remarks where created: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/OOO320/diff/659920c8492d/makefile.rc This means that the current OOO320_m14 release can't be built directly from source without first fixing makefile.rc. This is amazing, no one has actually tried to test build the release? Þann 29. mars 2010 20:51, skrifaði Kristján Bjarni Guðmundsson kristjanbja...@gmail.com: I am trying to build OOO320_m14 on Windows in CygWin 1.5.25 Here is my configure: ./configure \ --disable-nss-module \ --with-use-shell=bash \ --disable-activex \ --disable-directx \ --disable-epm \ --disable-atl \ --disable-build-mozilla \ --with-cl-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC \ --with-ant-home=/cygdrive/c/Winapps/Java/ant \ --with-frame-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1 \ --with-psdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1 \ --with-midl-path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1/Bin \ --with-asm-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/Bin \ --with-jdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Winapps/Java/jdk16 \ --with-csc-path=/cygdrive/c/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5 After running dmake I get this error: dmake: makefile.mk: line 3: Warning: -- Duplicate target [OR] dmake: makefile.mk: line 3: Error: -- Expecting macro or rule defn, found neither Can somebody help me with this?
Re: [dev] Re: Problems building OOO320_m14 on Windows.
Hi Kristján, both the CWS changefileheader3 and the OOO320 milestone m14 have certainly been build several times before release. It's just that only very few developers still use the ancient makefile.rc - a nice example for the evils of having multiple build systems. I wasn't even aware that it still exists ... Will be fixed in the next milestone. Regards, Heiner Kristján Bjarni Guðmundsson wrote: Ok I see the problem now, it seems that the makefile.rc was messed up when changing copyright notice and invalid remarks where created: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/OOO320/diff/659920c8492d/makefile.rc This means that the current OOO320_m14 release can't be built directly from source without first fixing makefile.rc. This is amazing, no one has actually tried to test build the release? Þann 29. mars 2010 20:51, skrifaði Kristján Bjarni Guðmundsson kristjanbja...@gmail.com: I am trying to build OOO320_m14 on Windows in CygWin 1.5.25 Here is my configure: ./configure \ --disable-nss-module \ --with-use-shell=bash \ --disable-activex \ --disable-directx \ --disable-epm \ --disable-atl \ --disable-build-mozilla \ --with-cl-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC \ --with-ant-home=/cygdrive/c/Winapps/Java/ant \ --with-frame-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1 \ --with-psdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1 \ --with-midl-path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1/Bin \ --with-asm-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/Bin \ --with-jdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Winapps/Java/jdk16 \ --with-csc-path=/cygdrive/c/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5 After running dmake I get this error: dmake: makefile.mk: line 3: Warning: -- Duplicate target [OR] dmake: makefile.mk: line 3: Error: -- Expecting macro or rule defn, found neither Can somebody help me with this? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Re: Problems building OOO320_m14 on Windows.
Hi, makefile.rc now fixed in the repository. Regards, Heiner Jens-Heiner Rechtien wrote: Hi Kristján, both the CWS changefileheader3 and the OOO320 milestone m14 have certainly been build several times before release. It's just that only very few developers still use the ancient makefile.rc - a nice example for the evils of having multiple build systems. I wasn't even aware that it still exists ... Will be fixed in the next milestone. Regards, Heiner Kristján Bjarni Guðmundsson wrote: Ok I see the problem now, it seems that the makefile.rc was messed up when changing copyright notice and invalid remarks where created: http://hg.services.openoffice.org/OOO320/diff/659920c8492d/makefile.rc This means that the current OOO320_m14 release can't be built directly from source without first fixing makefile.rc. This is amazing, no one has actually tried to test build the release? Þann 29. mars 2010 20:51, skrifaði Kristján Bjarni Guðmundsson kristjanbja...@gmail.com: I am trying to build OOO320_m14 on Windows in CygWin 1.5.25 Here is my configure: ./configure \ --disable-nss-module \ --with-use-shell=bash \ --disable-activex \ --disable-directx \ --disable-epm \ --disable-atl \ --disable-build-mozilla \ --with-cl-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC \ --with-ant-home=/cygdrive/c/Winapps/Java/ant \ --with-frame-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1 \ --with-psdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1 \ --with-midl-path=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft SDKs/Windows/v6.1/Bin \ --with-asm-home=/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0/VC/Bin \ --with-jdk-home=/cygdrive/c/Winapps/Java/jdk16 \ --with-csc-path=/cygdrive/c/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5 After running dmake I get this error: dmake: makefile.mk: line 3: Warning: -- Duplicate target [OR] dmake: makefile.mk: line 3: Error: -- Expecting macro or rule defn, found neither Can somebody help me with this? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [dev] Re: Re: OpenOffice.org Product Development
Hi all, Andreas Bartel wrote (30-03-10 00:48) Thorsten Behrens wrote: With some interest I've read all the contributions in this discussion. I've been learning a lot about differences and interference of product and project etc. etc. I support Martins idea, that he likes to see a broad representation in the council, as we have written down here and there. Thinking about this today, I have the impression that the practical influence on the councils work is not at all that much visible. Far less than for example the individual qualities of council members. Apart from that, and seeing the very few concerns reg. his qualities in the discussion, it looks OK to 'give Thorsten the benefit of the doubt', and trust that he not only will be looking and debating with the other council members from - what the hack ;-) - developers perspective. The discussion I have read on these lists, is also in valuable in the sense that it shows support from members in various parts of the community. That can help us to feel confident, that the desired broader representation where this discussion started with, will not suffer from Thorsten being a council member. On the contrary, picking I look forward to pick up our normal work in the council again, with focussing on chances and cooperation. Does this make sense to others as well? Kindest regards, Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
[dev] Re: [ux-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Development
Hi Andreas, * first a disclaimer: my comments represent only my own views about the project - I'm not speaking for anybody else (esp. not for Torsten) Addition to the disclaimer: I have been a long-term contributor to the project but have never really contributed code (ok a ~10 LOC patch). I've been deeply involved in community-QA andam now in l10n. For those reasons I was elected to the council - at this time as one of the 5 Project Leads, but surely not the One Project Lead or Co-Lead who is a programmer not working for Sun. (Just quoting the old Council Charter) SOmore or less I've been a Product development representative. ... Andreas Bartel schrieb: ... However, I am worried not because I wouldn't know how much you love the project, I really do. Ironically, that is exactly the issue I am worried about. In my understanding, for this position you would need to love the product more than the project. Surely not! The thing we (you) are going to elect is the *Community* council - and the project *is* the community. So althoug,there are people within the council who should rather focus product development *each* member should love the Community and the project. Any member who favours product over community should rather be elected to an I'll do it my way Council (or become a product manager in one of our sponsoring companies). And definitely more than code ;-) From my end-user driven perspective, the project exists for the love of the product, and the Product Development Representatives should coordinate the cooperative efforts of all OpenOffice.org projects towards one vision. A vision of OpenOffice.org as a product that brings true value to our project by providing true value to our users. Ultemately, it's the outcome that matters. Correct :) We need all our different flavours of community members with all the activities that need to be done to deliver a good product. But once you did understand this (that we need *all* the components) it does not really matter, if you prefere one above the other. If you reallyunderstood,you will make compromises. But (and once again:I am not a code hacker at OOo) there is one thingto consider: without UX, QA, l10n or marketing you will deliver a product of very poor quality that hardly anybody would like to use. But without code, there will be no product (and no users) at all. The very hard job for a product developer is to teach code hackers, that just a product is not enough ;) If I recall it correctly, you consider our current processes for functional quality (QA) and design quality (UX) as unnecessary impediments posed by a bureaucratic instance to maintain its influence on the project. I mean, at least to me, it's big gap in here that matters a lot for the position you are applying. I did not attend this discussion, but I don't know, why there is a gap. There is a difference between the necessity to have processes for functional and design quality and the statement, that our *current processes* are unnecessary (or not fitting the project's needs). IMO,our current process have many flaws - that are not relevant, if you work in a company - but become disturbing, if you work in a community environment. E.g. changing visual identity or introducing new features in a bugfix release would be almost impossible for a community member outside the main sponsoring company. But if you are within, you can just do (because the defined processes can be fully handeled within the company). kind regards, André - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
[dev] store odt in base?
is anyone using base to store all or parts of odt? TIA rfjones - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
