Re: [dev] File | Open default file type
Allen Pulsifer schrieb: Yes, that sounds good. I would change it a little bit and offer showing the filter dialog (that also needs a redesign BTW). Only offering to open as text is not enough. Especially text files are detected quite reliably. But as in most cases where OOo fails to detect the file it *is* an unknown type showing the filter dialog immediately isn't a good idea. So a message box asking how to proceed as you suggested will help. Hello Mathias, I did a preliminary spec at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File_Chooser_Type_Handling_Specific ation I think you may have more insights than me though. Could you comment further how the filter dialog should work, vis a vis the draft spec? Thanks for your effort, Allen. However I'm afraid that your proposal to default to an application specific filter will not be accepted. The issue list you have presented in your initial mail already contained some issues that have been closed for that reason. We see OpenOffice.org as an integrated package and don't see why the fact that somebody is writing a text makes it more probable that the next file to be opened will be a text file also. This is something that perhaps should be taken up by the new user experience project. I will study the other points in your spec in the next days and give you a feedback on this list. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [dev] File | Open default file type
Thanks for your effort, Allen. However I'm afraid that your proposal to default to an application specific filter will not be accepted. The issue list you have presented in your initial mail already contained some issues that have been closed for that reason. We see OpenOffice.org as an integrated package and don't see why the fact that somebody is writing a text makes it more probable that the next file to be opened will be a text file also. Hello Mathias, Thank you. Believe me, I don't take it personally. That is just one of several proposals in the draft spec and I'm glad to see it get discussion and consideration. To me, that part of the proposal is all about work flow and new user expectation, not about marketing. I put that in there because it matches the way I work, and also because this had been requested by others. When I use the File | Open dialog in an application, I am generally going to open the same type of document, and having this preselected makes it easy for me. I think most new users expect the same thing, and get confused to see so many files list. I can certainly see how other people might view it differently, and I would be happy to have the UX team look at it. Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] File | Open default file type
Hi Allen, Allen Pulsifer schrieb: I can certainly see how other people might view it differently, and I would be happy to have the UX team look at it. As I could see on the discuss list of the ux project they are already involved. Great! So I will redirect further discussions to the ux-list. Thanks for your dedication to the project. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [dev] File | Open default file type
Yes, that sounds good. I would change it a little bit and offer showing the filter dialog (that also needs a redesign BTW). Only offering to open as text is not enough. Especially text files are detected quite reliably. But as in most cases where OOo fails to detect the file it *is* an unknown type showing the filter dialog immediately isn't a good idea. So a message box asking how to proceed as you suggested will help. Hello Mathias, I did a preliminary spec at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File_Chooser_Type_Handling_Specific ation I think you may have more insights than me though. Could you comment further how the filter dialog should work, vis a vis the draft spec? Thank you, Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] File | Open default file type
Allen Pulsifer schrieb: OTOH if we didn't use this all documents filter by default the question remains if it makes sense at all. Yes, I agree with you. If All documents is not the default then there might not be much benefit. A better approach might be to give the user an error or warning message when attempting to open a file of unknown type. For example, when you try to open a pdf, OOo displays a text filter configuration dialog box. A better approach might be to first tell the user: OOo does not recognize the format of this document. Would you like to try opening it as a text document? Yes, that sounds good. I would change it a little bit and offer showing the filter dialog (that also needs a redesign BTW). Only offering to open as text is not enough. Especially text files are detected quite reliably. But as in most cases where OOo fails to detect the file it *is* an unknown type showing the filter dialog immediately isn't a good idea. So a message box asking how to proceed as you suggested will help. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] File | Open default file type
Allen Pulsifer wrote: Hello Mathias, There may be a misunderstanding about the suggestion. If you do a File | Open in OOo, the File Type displayed by default is All files (*.*). You can manually select Text documents, Spreadsheets, Presentations, etc., or you can select a specific file extension, such as OpenDocument Text (*.odt). The suggestion is not to list all file extensions supported by OOo. The suggestion is to add another type grouping, All Documents, that would be similar to Text documents, Spreadsheets, Presentations, etc. When selected, this would cause the File chooser dialog to display all document types supported by OOo, i.e., it would display Text documents + Spreadsheets + Presentations + In that way, it would be similar to All Files, except it would not display files with extensions OOo cannot open, such as .pdf. Does that make sense? Ah, fine. I misunderstood you and thought you wanted to change the behavior of All files. Yes, something like this could makes sense, though I'm wondering if All documents is understandable. Anyway, IMHO All documents shouldn't be the default filter as then you created a problem for all people that don't use extensions at all or that use files with unknown extensions (e.g. text files with extension log). These files then will not be visible by default though OOo could load them without any problems. OOo does not use extensions to decide wether it can load a particular file, it checks the content. Extensions are only a hint to speed up the search or resolve ambiguities. OTOH if we didn't use this all documents filter by default the question remains if it makes sense at all. As I understood you wanted to have this filter as a feature for the unexperienced users. But without having this filter used by default I assume that especially these user won't use it. So all in all I think that though your idea makes some sense I don't see how it could be implemented without either annoying a part of the user base or hiding this new filter so that especially the target audience for it will never find it. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [dev] File | Open default file type
OTOH if we didn't use this all documents filter by default the question remains if it makes sense at all. Yes, I agree with you. If All documents is not the default then there might not be much benefit. A better approach might be to give the user an error or warning message when attempting to open a file of unknown type. For example, when you try to open a pdf, OOo displays a text filter configuration dialog box. A better approach might be to first tell the user: OOo does not recognize the format of this document. Would you like to try opening it as a text document? Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] File | Open default file type
Allen Pulsifer wrote: An alternate suggestion (if it is easier) is have File | Open default to All documents rather than All Files (*.*). The reason is that novice users are clicking on document types such as .pdf's and getting a confusing error message. OOo should not by default list unsupported document types in the File | Open dialog. This suggestion was entered as http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=74295 For me the biggest problem with this approach is that OOo supports quite a lot of file types with a lot of different extensions. It can be confusing to show *.* (you can't show all supported extensions here) but display only some of the files. Perhaps the problem can be solved by providing a better error message. Something like OOo does not support this file type. Please try to open the file from your desktop or something else. Ciao, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer (mba) - Project Lead OpenOffice.org Writer OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I use it for the OOo lists and only rarely read other mails sent to it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] File | Open default file type
Wouldn't it be consequent to rename the 'file open dialog' to 'document open dialog'? And changing the entry int he menu bar from 'File' to 'Document'? Groetjes, Olaf Allen Pulsifer schrieb: An alternate suggestion (if it is easier) is have File | Open default to All documents rather than All Files (*.*). The reason is that novice users are clicking on document types such as .pdf's and getting a confusing error message. OOo should not by default list unsupported document types in the File | Open dialog. This suggestion was entered as http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=74295 Allen -Original Message- From: Allen Pulsifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:20 AM To: dev@openoffice.org Subject: [dev] File | Open default file type The following enhancement requests are all related: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10048 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=19918 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67163 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70421 (and for a counterview, see http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5348 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=7329) The gist of the enhancement request is: File | Open always defaults to file type *.*. It would be nice if it defaulted to file type of the current application, so for example, when in Writer, File | Open would default to the file type 'Text Documents'. What is the status of this enhancement? It looks like it may have been implemented in v2.0.4rc3 and then removed. Is there any plan to implement this? Thank you, Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [dev] File | Open default file type
An alternate suggestion (if it is easier) is have File | Open default to All documents rather than All Files (*.*). This suggestion was entered as http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=74295 Wouldn't it be consequent to rename the 'file open dialog' to 'document open dialog'? And changing the entry in the menu bar from 'File' to 'Document'? Hello Olaf, I don't know who first came up with the File menu. Its been around since at least 1984, with the introduction of the Apple Macintosh. Since then, most applications have had File as their left-most menu. It hasn't always made sense to me either. I believe the menu File may have originally represented the act of filing, as in to file a memo in a filing cabinet, rather than the common use of the term among computer people, a file as named stream of data, usually stored on disk in a hierarchical directory. See http://m-w.com/dictionary/file click file[4,verb] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_file#History Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[dev] File | Open default file type
The following enhancement requests are all related: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10048 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=19918 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67163 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70421 (and for a counterview, see http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5348 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=7329) The gist of the enhancement request is: File | Open always defaults to file type *.*. It would be nice if it defaulted to file type of the current application, so for example, when in Writer, File | Open would default to the file type 'Text Documents'. What is the status of this enhancement? It looks like it may have been implemented in v2.0.4rc3 and then removed. Is there any plan to implement this? Thank you, Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [dev] File | Open default file type
An alternate suggestion (if it is easier) is have File | Open default to All documents rather than All Files (*.*). The reason is that novice users are clicking on document types such as .pdf's and getting a confusing error message. OOo should not by default list unsupported document types in the File | Open dialog. This suggestion was entered as http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=74295 Allen -Original Message- From: Allen Pulsifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:20 AM To: dev@openoffice.org Subject: [dev] File | Open default file type The following enhancement requests are all related: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10048 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=19918 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67163 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70421 (and for a counterview, see http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5348 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=7329) The gist of the enhancement request is: File | Open always defaults to file type *.*. It would be nice if it defaulted to file type of the current application, so for example, when in Writer, File | Open would default to the file type 'Text Documents'. What is the status of this enhancement? It looks like it may have been implemented in v2.0.4rc3 and then removed. Is there any plan to implement this? Thank you, Allen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
