Hi all,
I've just released v1.6 of tilemaker, the command-line utility that makes
vector tiles from OpenStreetMap data without an intermediate database. It keeps
everything in RAM so is best suited for city and region extracts.
You can now get up and running with vector tiles as easily as
Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> Is anyone aware of a way to import dual-carriageway roads as
> a single linestring?
I do something like this to boil route relations containing dual
carriageways down into polylines:
insert into routes_split(geom) (
select (st_dump(
st_linemerge(
Mikel Maron wrote:
> Personally, I think that https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index
> has picked up a lot of what "groups" were intended to cover (a system for
> defining location based ones anyway).
For me, the big value in groups-on-osm has always been that it would enable
ad hoc
Дмитрий Киселев wrote:
> But if i just do that and send a pull request, chances that it will
> be rejected as the previous one, are quite high.
The previous one wasn't rejected - it just went stale because no-one was
able to finish it (personally I remember getting stuck on pagination), and
the
Not at all. In-browser Flash Player is dead but the Adobe AIR desktop runtime
continues. If you look at the Potlatch changelog, several recent commits
were with the express intention of enabling P2 to work as a desktop app
after Flash Player's inevitable demise.
Richard
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ika-chan! (OpenStreetMap) wrote:
> I got a PM by a user confused about the source of my recent tracings of
> orchard, which used the default Bing imagery. I do not intend to imply
> that Potlatch ever did it before (bad choice of words?). It would help
> though if it did! :-)
:) I'd suggest
On 25/03/2017 01:38, David Wisbey wrote:
I have been meaning to do this for a long time. Finally...
And if I need to do this differently please let me know what I need to do.
Thanks
Some good ideas - thanks!
Probably the best place to put them is
http://github.com/systemed/potlatch2/issues
On 24/03/2017 15:01, Steve Doerr wrote:
Still a bug for me. I'm using Microsoft Edge browser.
"Fixed" means "fixed in the source code", not "deployed on osm.org" :)
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Michał Brzozowski wrote:
> Am I doing something silly or is it a bug in Tilemaker?
That looks like a bug in the Tilemaker code that calculates which areas fall
into which tiles. I'll have a look but if you could put this as a github
issue that'd be helpful.
Out of interest, what happens if you
Hi all,
Really pleased to announce a new version of Tilemaker on github:
https://github.com/systemed/tilemaker
Tilemaker is a command-line application that makes vector tiles in one
hit, directly from an .osm.pbf file. There is no database and no stack.
Everything is kept in RAM so
Peter Barth wrote:
> just to let you know, Ian Dees, Tordanik and I are this year's org
> admins for GSoC.
We're getting quite a few prospective developers turning up in the #osm IRC
channel enquiring, and I'm afraid none of us really know what to say to them
apart from "um, try some mapping so
Ilya Zverev wrote:
> As http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/64-bit_Identifiers
> states, most applications have switched to 64-bit ids.
> Among the exceptions seems to be OSRM (unsigned ints).
OSRM has supported 64-bit ids since last November:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> other UK cartographers used green for non-primary roads
(I meant "primary A roads", of course, or in OSM parlance "trunk")
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SimonPoole wrote:
> And in lots of countries in Europe they are signposted in green. I'm
> not quite sure why we are being held ransom to a questionable
> decision which was made (not so long ago) by an unrelated third
> party. Which interesting enough however doesn't use every
> imaginable
Hi all,
I'm pleased to introduce Tilemaker, a command-line utility for making
vector tiles directly from .osm.pbf planet extracts.
The aim is to make vector tiles hackable for the independent
cartographer or developer, without the need to set up a database or
complex stack to marshal your
Daniel Koć wrote:
as Potlatch is not in active development AFAIK
Semi-active. I add a new feature when I see the need, but happily since it's
not the default any more, the more excitable elements of our community can
burn someone else out instead with their incessant STOP PEOPLE EDITING THE
MAP
Daniel Koć wrote:
I semi-hate Flash ;-} as a web technology
Try programming in the Flex framework and then you'll really hate it. ;)
Being default or not and very active or just in relaxed state of
development is not that important in this context - it's still one
of the OSM editors
On 14/02/2014 17:44, Fernando Trebien wrote:
Hello everyone,
I was wondering when is it that Potlatch will be considered officially
deprecated.
There is no intention at all to deprecate P2.
Since newbie users are best-served by iD, the best thing you, as an OSM
contributor, can do to
On 14/02/2014 17:55, Fernando Trebien wrote:
The used did know know he was destroying data because Potlatch neither
displays turn restrictions
It does, you know:
http://imgur.com/j6A6clo
nor issues a warning when merging ways
referenced by relations
It does, you know:
Maarten Deen wrote:
What planet are you on?
That level of abuse is _completely_ unwarranted. I think you owe Tom an
apology.
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On 26/06/2013 11:58, Roger Calvert wrote:
On return, I find that it does not appear as a lake in Potlatch II,
though it does in the default OSM view.
There are seven 'outer' elements in the named relation, some of which
are very short, but appear to be joined correctly. Most of them have no
Serge Wroclawski wrote:
So why doesn't this happen? Frankly, because I think the
project doesn't have anyone who can act in the kind of
technical leadership role this would require.
Define can.
The project has plenty of people capable of doing this.
But IME the main barrier between capable
Paweł Paprota wrote:
Currently I am on a two-month work trip in Germany with not much
free time but I really miss OSM and OWL development so I plan to
get back to it some time in June when I'm back at home.
\o/
When you look at it, there is really not a lot of stuff to be done
before OWL
tmcw wrote:
As far as documentation for _using_ the editor, there's help
documentation embedded in it as well as an intro tour for new users.
and it's a zillion times more accessible than the equivalent in P2, let
alone JOSM or anything else.
cheers
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Kai Krueger wrote:
The question now is what to do with this? Is there enough interest
for it to be worth cleaning it up and committing it?
Looks superb to me - really impressed you've done this. It'll remove an
entire post-processing stage from my setup: at present I munge the tags in
the
Andrew Hain wrote:
At the moment anyone trying to run Potlatch on
a Flash-free machine gets links to download Flash
and to the list of editors on the wiki. Could we
add a link to edit the map without Flash or any
other setup using iD once we put it on the editing
menu?
TBH I don't see
One of the many wondrous things about OSRM is that you handle the speed
impact of different tags (e.g. highway=motorway vs highway=unclassified)
with plugins written in Lua, a fast but easy-to-understand scripting
language.
Wouldn't it be great to have the same capability in osm2pgsql?
[sent to potlatch-dev@ and rails-dev@, please trim follow-ups if
appropriate]
I've added a new embedding option to Potlatch 2 that can warn the user
if they attempt to save a changeset which is mostly deletions.
The option is selected like this:
args[user_check] = warn;
The value
On 11/12/2012 21:36, SomeoneElse wrote:
Sebastian Arcus wrote:
I have uploaded a bunch of gps traces as identifiable. They show up
under See your traces. However, when I click on map or edit I
can't see them on the map or in Potlatch2 editor. Am I doing something
wrong, or is there a temporary
Paul Norman wrote:
Background: P2 has excellent support for data layers but their full power is
not exposed to the user by default. I am contemplating using snapshot-server
with some extremely large datasets to make the data available to people
using P2 and JOSM as vector layers.
Great stuff.
Paweł Paprota wrote:
My statement was based on my own experience with open source
projects.
I cannot be bothered to find some hard evidence that Github
makes people much likely to contribute though, it's just a fact. :-)
Your own experience is (I'm guessing) open source coding projects,
Matt Amos wrote:
i'd sound a note of caution about having separate clean and
detailed styles. we sort-of did that before with mapnik and
osmarender respectively and... well, we don't have
osmarender any more.
That was a technology failure, though, rather than anything wrong with the
On 14/11/2012 16:34, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
Unfortunately, I think there's a perception that the data layer
doesn't provide the gratification that mappers want.
Absolutely, and it never well. The data layer looks less like a map than
the MapCSS renderings in Potlatch and JOSM do. It's no
Hi all,
At State of the Map US I gave a talk on OSM editors and subsequently
spent a lot of time chewing the fat with the MapBox guys about the future.
The full talk is at http://www.systemeD.net/blog/index.php?post=24 but
to save you the full tl;dr experience - pretty clearly Flash is on
Bernhard R. Fischer wrote:
I already tried to find an answer in the Internet but didn't find one yet.
Here's an answer on the Internet:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1000
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/1000
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1000
cheers
Richard
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Kind of depends how you have the data and what you want
but here's a snippet from a program where I did that with Osmium.
That's great - thank you (and thanks Komzpa and Pawel too). I'm currently
using a fairly custom setup with a Postgres (but not PostGIS) database and
Alan Mintz wrote:
Semi-colons are the agreed-upon way to provide multiple values for a
field. It seems wrong to warn of their use, especially given the
demonstrated potential to cause users to fix such values incorrectly.
In most cases having two values in a field is undesirable. Virtually
On 17/07/2012 04:30, Steve Bennett wrote:
https://github.com/systemed/potlatch2/pull/33
https://github.com/systemed/potlatch2/pull/36
https://github.com/systemed/potlatch2/pull/49
https://github.com/systemed/potlatch2/pull/66
Seriously, now. These slow review times, and blocking pull requests
On 17/07/2012 12:30, Steve Bennett wrote:
Could we consider changing the process? Any of these things would help:
1) A dev build where almost all pull requests are accepted, and which
is the accepted starting point for new features. (The production build
is a subset of those branches)
2) More
Graham Jones wrote:
I'll go and learn dojo nowI had never heard of it, and thought that
jQuery/jQueryUI was the library of choice for javascript, but the
charts etc. in dojo do look very useful.
Both jQuery and Dojo have a lot to recommend them, but Dojo, I think, has
the edge for large
Stéphane Brunner wrote:
Some times ago I do a little application to edit osm data in javascript.
Thanks (and to Michael and Graham for similar references). Would certainly
be good to reuse code where appropriate - and by the same token, anyone
who's familiar with the P2 source code will
Hi all,
Potlatch is five years old and JOSM is over six years old. Scary, isn't it?
Lots has changed in those five years. Browsers now do natively things
that used to require a plugin - indeed, you might not even have the
plugin anymore. OSM's changed, too, from a little-known geek project to
Ian Dees wrote:
Andy made a commit that changed the API response for nodes.
http://git.osm.org/rails.git/commitdiff/2c67c07
Previously, visible=false nodes would include their lat/lon. Now
such nodes will no longer include lat/lon.
For background: this is pretty much essential to the
Paul Norman wrote:
I know that there was some discussion as to if it would be necessary
to refrain from conducting any imports while the redaction is in
progress. Imports are not likely to conflict with the redaction bot
but may cause load issues on the API.
I can't speak for the
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that the licence change bot is ready to get
underway.
Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than
1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new
Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) - in other
We are expecting to begin on _Wednesday_ (9th July)
11th July. You knew what I meant really. :)
Yours in a state of temporary temporal confusion
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Aleksi Kinnunen wrote:
But some UI sections are missing, like way and node editing view and
categories. Is it possible to translate them at all, or didn't I
just find them?
It's not yet possible to translate these, I'm afraid. These are from
config files rather than the app itself, and we
Ed Loach wrote:
I was using P2 and Opera 12 fine on Windows 7 yesterday. I think C
to close the changeset is the one I use most, and that was working.
I'm not sure whether I used any others in yesterday's session, but
I've just tried clicking Edit, selecting a way and pressing T and
learned a
Anyone here having keypress problems with P2 and Opera 12?
I can use F1/F2/F3 to switch between backgrounds, but the main keyboard
stuff (e.g. T for advanced tagging) don't work at all.
cheers
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On 25/05/2012 15:16, Steve Bennett wrote:
It's still a defect. Shift-R is there to allow you to copy relations
over from another similar object. I think the likelihood of this
behaviour being useful to anyone is very low - and the chance of it
producing unintentional copying quite high.
Yep.
Steve Bennett wrote:
I didn't get any response to this. Could someone please have a
look at this branch? I put quite a lot of work into this, and
it's a pretty useful tool - especially since we're about to do
a huge amount of remapping in some areas.
I'll take a proper look at the first
Paul Hartmann wrote:
I've started emailing the authors some time ago. The main
contributors (Steve Chilton and Lennard) would license their
work under the terms of CC0. So do the following
committers: artem, nick, spaetz, tomhughes. A few people
I haven't contacted so far.
The shields
Steve Bennett wrote:
First, congrats on all the commits coming out of the hack session
over the weekend! :)
\o/
OS X, Firefox 11.0, Flash 10,1,102,64 (which I understand to be
just barely acceptable). (This isn't the machine I use for
development)
Out of interest, Intel or PowerPC?
Andy, Tom and I were holed up in my study this weekend hacking on P2.
(Pic at http://opengeodata.org/ !)
Quick summary of what was achieved:
- FileBank to allow all images/config files to be stored in a .zip, so
you can load one assets file per P2 instance rather than 300 or so.
Should be
Steve wrote:
- The Show all [v] button is ok, but would IMHO work better
as a More... sort of icon at the bottom/right of the list rather
than the top.
That actually had been my initial idea, but on balance (as ever with Flex
;) ) ease of execution trumped it'd be nice! Something we can keep
Hi all,
(This is partly a follow-up to Andy's mail of a few weeks ago!)
We had a few reports on help.osm.org of P2 not working (the drag-and-drop
icons on the left weren't appearing) and narrowed it down to the users
still having Flash Player 10.1 installed.
We were only using one 10.2 feature
Andy wrote:
Anyway, mumble grumble unit testing. When we find out what's the
trigger, for the love of god someone should help me write the unit
test so that when it's fixed, it stays fixed.
I've corresponded with Thomas B and found some, ahem, fairly easy steps to
reproduce:
1. Click on map
Steve Bennett wrote:
PS No, this wasn't some passive-aggressive complaint about queued
pull-requests either...:)
;) though for the record, I'm reviewing and integrating them as and when
time permits. Will probably get a few more through over this coming weekend.
cheers
Richard
SomeoneElse wrote:
How hard would it be have a version of Potlatch2 available after
merging for final testing before becoming the default P2 version on
the site?
I can see merit in users being able to select an unstable P2 as their
editor, which would work 99% of the time and be useful for
Current most obvious bug that I can see is that (in en-GB at least) the
dreaded [object Object] is back on the GPS menu.
Oh, and landuse=cemetery renders as a black opaque area. Appropriate I
guess but probably not great for editing. :)
cheers
Richard
On 01/03/2012 17:41, Andy Allan wrote:
I'm especially coming to the conclusion that defining the icons in
map_features.xml is the wrong place to do it - the icons in the panel
should always match the icons shown in the stylesheet. No idea how to
fix that though :-)
That's pretty easy in theory
Guttorm Flatabø wrote:
[https://github.com/systemed/potlatch2/pull/27.diff]
Added nn and nb translations (Norwegian nynorsk and bokmål). 'no'
('unspecified Norwegian') is symbolic link to 'nb' as that is the
dominant variety. Also included tweaks to english for consistency
and correctness of
Steve Bennett wrote:
There are pretty easy change requests that have been
sitting on the wiki for a year or more, presumably because
Git is too big a hurdle for casual (non-programmer)
contributors.
Is this more complicated than I'm thinking?
Two separate issues really.
Firstly, we need
Andy Allan wrote:
[1] using the XML api. Technically if you want to do some AMF
parsing, the world is your oyster, but you'll have a bad (salty)
taste left in your mouth.
I quite like oysters. But the last time I had some I was very, very ill
indeed. I'm not sure what the parallel is there.
Steve Bennett wrote:
Obviously 2) is easy to fix. But what about 1? Is it time we
implemented locale-specific map_features? IMHO it's incorrect to
display a region-specific tag like this to everyone in this way.
designation= is not region-specific nor country-specific. It is a way of
Steve Bennett wrote:
Looking at the voting page (huge string of oppose votes) and the
discussion on the Tagging list (3-4 March 2011), it looks like there
are some pretty serious issues with it.
s/pretty serious issues with it/idiots on the wiki/
From the P2 wiki docs:
The UI of the
Steve Bennett wrote:
e) I don't know if i18n used to work on my Mac, but it's not working
now? I get 3 copies of [object object] in the GPS drop down list. From
trial and error, the middle one is the right one :)
This is happening to me now too (on the Mac, in both Safari and P2). Bit
Steve Bennett wrote:
Ok, so I can try and understand you, can you define this
wikifiddling you're so opposed to? I find your attitude utterly
baffling.
Life is mercifully too short to rehash the same old argument that's been
had for the past five years of OSM all over again, but suffice it to
Hello all,
I note that CloudMade have EOLed their AS3 OSM editor Mapzen, under a
permissive licence:
http://shtosm.ru/2012/02/05/1/
http://mapzen_sources.sandbox.cloudmade.com/mapzen/sandbox/flex_src/mapzen-license.txt
That potentially opens up avenues for some of it to be used in P2. I
Lots of you will have seen the interest recently in switching from
proprietary mapping providers to OpenStreetMap - blog postings by Nestoria
and StreetEasy, Wired's article, and so on. We started a Twitter hashtag,
#switch2osm, and it's rather taken off.
So I'm delighted to announce the launch
Mikel Maron wrote:
1) Clear instructions, at an easily findable address (outside the
wiki, which is hard to follow) (anyone register switch2osm.com?
or tryosm.org).
I've registered switch2osm.org and will be adding content over the next few
days.
Would the EWG be the place to get this
Cobra wrote:
Is there any other way than this one?
- click the map style button, select edit
- click add, name=Power, URL=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/31535737/Power.mapcss
- close the style popup
Ah, right. No, that won't work.
Flash Player only allows Flash apps (such as P2) to load data from
On 06/01/2012 11:33, Cobra wrote:
On 2012-01-06 11:59, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Flash Player only allows Flash apps (such as P2) to load data from
domains that have a permissions file, called crossdomain.xml. This
permissions file needs to be saved at the root of the domain.
random rant
On 05/01/2012 23:02, Cobra wrote:
I'm developing a stylesheet to get a more detailed view of power=*
objects and wanted to test it with potlatch, but couldn't get it to
work. After adding it to p2 and switching to it, all objects the cursors
touches disappear, including the power features. When
I've just committed two new features to P2 that should make it feel a
lot snappier.
First of all, when you pan to a new area, P2 only asks for the areas
that aren't yet loaded, rather than the whole bbox. In other words, less
data gets downloaded from the server. You can see that it's making
Andreas Hammershøj wrote:
Is it possible to do this with Potlatch?
Afraid not - P2 doesn't yet have any ability to load local files from disk.
I'm currently looking into a couple of possible solution, but because it's
Christmas I don't have a whole bunch of time for P2 stuff for a couple of
Eric Wolf wrote:
1. Why is the xml tag category reused to specify a tab name in input?
Why not just call it tabname? It's really confusing to someone just
hacking the XML - does this category have anything to do with the
Feature Categories?
Yes, this is a flaw and something we should fix at
Tom Hughes wrote:
I'm afraid not. Nobody is working on this as far as I know.
Dumb question: what would be required for someone to work on this? What
would need to be changed?
I'd love to see the DCF editing OSM with P2.
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Andreas Hammershøj wrote:
Any news of progress on this subject?
The other thing that could be done is to make P2 ask for less data. At
present every pan results in a request for all the data within the onscreen
area. In theory, we can reduce this by only asking (in several calls) for
the areas
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
It's certainly something that should be striven for as I suspect that
financial constraints are much more of an issue for the OSM
community than know-how
Developer availability is more of an issue than either. You've been around
here long enough to know that should be
Andy wrote:
I'm not sure which config files you are referring to, but perhaps
Richard can describe more the subcategory panels work.
Sure. The change is that there's now an optional 'subcategory' attribute
in input. So you can say:
input type=freetext presence=always category=Naming
Andy did a whole bunch of work on this at the London Hack Weekend,
building on the great stuff done by miurahr et al, and it's now live
thanks to Tom.
So... hopefully you won't be getting [Object object] any more. If you
do: speak out!
cheers
Richard
Mikel Maron wrote:
I'm helping the folks at Sahana out with their Potlatch2
integration. Could we make updates of all the resources
files a tiny bit easier, and package them up into a single
file? A tar file would do it, I think.
Yes, you can, as Tom alludes. Though it's zip files rather
Alexandru wrote:
I have a private osm server with tiles being server from the official osm
server. In my potlatch tab i can't zoom out more than lvl 13. Why is it
so?
Because in most of the world on an OSM dataset, zooming out beyond 13
would request so much data that it would boggle Potlatch
As Matt wrote earlier in October, there's a Hack Weekend coming up in London:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London/London_Hack_Weekend_Nov_2011
26/27 November. You need to sign up on the wiki page. Hope to see some of
you there.
cheers
Richard
Andreas Kalsch wrote:
Probably you have some arguments about my proposals.
Only that they should probably be on CloudMade's own lists. ;)
cheers
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NopMap wrote:
How would I go about updating a custom instance to P2.3?
Wiki instructions and random.dev appear to be outdated.
I guess we need to resuscitate an easily downloadable instance somewhere
- thank you for the pointer.
Until then... you can download the .swf from
Frederik Ramm wrote:
While multipolygons with more than one outer *ring* are uncommon,
those with more than one outer *way* are heavily used where I live
That's all right, everyone where you live uses JOSM anyway. :)
The issue from my point of view is one of UI. I can't countenance a UI, or
Jochen Topf wrote:
Thats sounds rather optimistic to me. As far as I know everybody who
has thought about a proper area type has given up, because nobody
could find a way how it was to be implemented solving all the different
design problems with it.
That sounds rather un-OSM-like to me.
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I tend to be against strict rules of any kind but when it comes to
the question of what exactly a complex relation means I think it
would be good to have one definition which every tool writer
should aspire to implement.
I'd agree with your general point, but in the
Serge Wroclawski wrote:
OSM objects are identified by three identifiers:
Object Type, ID and Version
Those three identifiers are necessary when talking about an OSM
object. Absence of one of them means the data isn't valid. The
type and ID are obvious, but the version number appears to be
Hi all,
A new mailing list has been created for fixing and enhancing the core Ruby
on Rails-powered openstreetmap.org site.
It's rails-...@openstreetmap.org and you can subscribe at
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/rails-dev .
All trac tickets relating to the site will now be owned by
Steve Bennett wrote:
Ok, so Richard runs the debug repository, Tom runs the production
repository.
I think strictly speaking it's more that I run the P2 project repository,
Tom runs the OSM instance of P2 repository. For whatever it's worth.
cheers
Richard
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Igor Brejc wrote:
Richard, if you remember two years ago I _was_ considering using MapCSS
for the (then) Kosmos successor and we had a brief discussion about
certain things (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:MapCSS).
Kosmos wiki table rules were becoming cumbersome and I was
Andy Allan wrote:
MapCSS is (somewhat pointlessly) tied up dreadfully into OSM syntax
with selectors based on not-quite-OSM-primitives like relation and
way, as well as suffering hugely from the NIH syndrome when it
comes to having named every single attribute just slightly differently
Andy Allan wrote:
But I see Cascadenik isn't in that list, which is the point I'm trying
to make. When you invented another CSS-like language for describing
map styling there already was a CSS-like language for describing map
styling, and it's a great shame that nobody made any effort to make
Josh Doe wrote:
I'm curious if anyone has ever attempted to convert the massive OSM
Mapnik stylesheet to one of the CSS-like languages such as Cascadenik
or Carto.
I had a rough stab at it the other year for a very very early development
version of Halcyon, the renderer used in P2. Having P2
It's always nice to release something for SotM, even if you're not there. :)
https://github.com/systemed/halcyon_pdf
ActionScript 3 PDF renderer. Uses MapCSS (natch :) ).
Pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha. Really only half finished. Full of
FIXMEs. Requires AS3 knowledge and patience to
Colin Smale wrote:
Thanks for the confirmation, I'm looking forward to the fix!
Should be live now.
cheers
Richard
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Colin Smale wrote:
Since yesterday I have been noticing strange behaviour from
Potlatch2 when merging 3 or more ways.
Yes, it's broken. Fix committed a couple of days ago and will be deployed
real soon now.
cheers
Richard
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