Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-08 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, First off, thanks Mikel - great improvements on the history tab. On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: [..] In the bigger picture * The real way to deal with big and bot changesets is to have this listing driving by OWL. What's needed to make that

[OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Mikel Maron
Hi Who's interested in working to improve the usability of the History tab? What do you want to code? I've started coding some improvements in the History Tab -- you'll notice a new map. Described a bit on my blog, http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/05/05/1674 There are already some obvious

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/05/11 14:33, Mikel Maron wrote: * big changesets are no longer marked, but that was useful. Want to find some non-obtrusive way of visually distinguishing them. * would be nice to do a similar same thing with bots. Is there a bot flag in the db? The correct solution to this is to sort

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/05/11 15:24, Mikel Maron wrote: I'm not talking about filtering them, I understand the issue. Rather, simply visually distinguishing them. We had that before the last update. Is it actually useful though? What does it tell you? What do you differently when you know it is big for

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/05/11 16:04, Mikel Maron wrote: Totally useful. Was an easy way to ignore things that were possibly irrelevant. Bot might accomplish the same thing. That's easy - to a first approximation *all* the changesets in the browse list will be large unless you are looking at an individual

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/05/11 16:12, Mikel Maron wrote: In this case, we're just talking about if this is a good usability feature, or not. To me it's good, was good, and now it's less usable in a way than before. I have never found any use for the big changeset indication that was there before, other than to

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/05/11 16:26, Ian Dees wrote: Why is filtering off the table? Just don't output the items that have big marked. Sure we still have to use CPU time to determine the size of the bbox, but we're already doing that. Equal CPU time for a possible improvement to user experience seems fine to me.

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Dermot McNally
On 7 May 2011 16:18, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: I don't see the point of distinguishing big edits because people don't really care - the only thing they really case about is whether the edit touches a given area. Big is simply a (poor) proxy for that. You've touched on something here

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Ian Dees
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 07/05/11 16:26, Ian Dees wrote: Why is filtering off the table? Just don't output the items that have big marked. Sure we still have to use CPU time to determine the size of the bbox, but we're already doing that. Equal

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Mikel Maron
I have refused to apply patches which do that, because I want somebody to fix it properly and I am trying to incentivise people to do so. Tom, you're talking about integrating OWL, yes? And in principle, that's the best solution ... but it's been over a year that I've heard that, and I just

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/05/11 16:39, Ian Dees wrote: It appears that OWL is the way forward then. Will you allow patches that use OWL's API to request history or will that fall under no external services? Presumably when OWL gets real hardware it will be a different machine but on the same network. There's no

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Erik Johansson
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: I have refused to apply patches which do that, because I want somebody to fix it properly and I am trying to incentivise people to do so. Tom, you're talking about integrating OWL, yes? And in principle, that's the best

Re: [OSM-dev] Improving History and Monitoring

2011-05-07 Thread Tom Hughes
On 07/05/11 19:58, Erik Johansson wrote: Even if OWL gets integrated I think Mikels solution would still be better for many changesets (and vice versa). Considering that OWL in its current form isn't designed to visualize lots of changesets, this clearly isn't only about big changesets. I