[RESULT] WAS Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-04-11 Thread Lewis John McGibbney
Hi Folks, OK, 72 hours has well and truly come and gone... many times over. I am therefore going to close with a RESULT. [ ] +1 retire the HTrace podling Lewis John McGibbney Sean Busby Jake Farrell Mike Drob Michael Stack Masatake Iwasaki [0] -1 NOT NOT retire the HTrace podling (please provide

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-13 Thread Masatake Iwasaki
>   - HTrace PPMC to engage with the VOTE if possible >   - Sean Busbey/Sheng Wu/Christopher (ctubbsii)/Billie Rinaldi step up and >   propose a path for HTrace to graduate as a subproject of project X. +1 to retire. As Billie pointed out, htrace does not need active and growing community sinc

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-13 Thread Billie Rinaldi
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:27 PM, lewis john mcgibbney wrote: > Hi Folks, > The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It > would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite > clear that retirement is the right thing to do. > According to whimsy howev

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-13 Thread Billie Rinaldi
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Christopher wrote: > If this vote (or a decision from IPMC) successfully retires the project, > does it go to the attic? Or is that only for retired TLPs? If not, where > does it go? > >From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html: "Retiring a podling

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread Christopher
If this vote (or a decision from IPMC) successfully retires the project, does it go to the attic? Or is that only for retired TLPs? If not, where does it go? On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:27 AM lewis john mcgibbney wrote: > Hi Folks, > The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyabl

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread lewis john mcgibbney
general@incubator thread link inline On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:27 PM, lewis john mcgibbney wrote: > Hi Folks, > The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It > would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite > clear that retirement is the right th

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread lewis john mcgibbney
Hi Folks, The decision to initiate retirement is not usually an enjoyable one. It would appear that those whose of us who have VOTE'd have made it quite clear that retirement is the right thing to do. According to whimsy however [0], we do not currently have enough PPMC VOTE's to move forward with

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread lewis john mcgibbney
Hi Sheng, On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:55 PM, < dev-digest-h...@htrace.incubator.apache.org> wrote: > > From: Sheng Wu > To: Adrian Cole , dev@htrace.incubator.apache.org, > d...@skywalking.incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 18:36:17 +0800 >

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-12 Thread lewis john mcgibbney
Hi Mike, On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:55 PM, < dev-digest-h...@htrace.incubator.apache.org> wrote: > > From: Mike Drob > To: dev@htrace.incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:16:46 -0600 > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation > The

Re: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-11 Thread Sheng Wu
ywalking have a standalone tracing library or is it > agent only? Can it help to do things htrace was doing? > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Christopher" > Date: 9 Mar 2018 6:01 am > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation > To: > Cc:

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-10 Thread Mike Drob
There's a distinction between the code and the community. The code can be there, but it certainly feels like there is no community left. If any of the TLPs want to try to pick it back up, I don't think anybody would stop them? On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Christopher wrote: > That's what I

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-10 Thread Christopher
That's what I was thinking... retiring indicates not just that it's not currently being developed, but that it can't be developed if needed. It makes sense for projects to drop it, because they will have no way to patch it if there's an issue. And, with something like HTrace, which one embeds deep

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-10 Thread Billie Rinaldi
I feel like the htrace core library doesn't really need active development, but I worry that retiring htrace will encourage other projects to drop it as a dependency. If it had a home as a subproject, perhaps people would continue to use it even if releases were infrequent. IMO that would be prefer

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread stack
Thanks Lewis. With heavy heart, +1 on retire. St.Ack On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 6:49 AM lewis john mcgibbney wrote: > Hi Folks, > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018. > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below) > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentimen

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Christopher
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:52 PM Todd Lipcon wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > > > +1 to retire. > > > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally, and > I > > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up. > > > > > > Christopher, > > >

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Todd Lipcon
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > +1 to retire. > > This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally, and I > do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up. > > > Christopher, > > HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Mike Drob
+1 to retire. This is painful because I've spent a lot of time on this personally, and I do think there is value, but not if nobody picks it up. Christopher, HTrace did not originate from Accumulo's cloudtrace effort. It spun out of HDFS's efforts. They were two separate things, where eventual

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Christopher
I only just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and this is the first thread I've seen on this :( Given that Accumulo continues to use HTrace (and I'm not sure, but I think much of its code originated in Accumulo as "cloudtrace"/"accumulo-trace"), it's a shame that this project did not gradu

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Jake Farrell
+1 to retire the HTrace podling -Jake On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:49 AM, lewis john mcgibbney wrote: > Hi Folks, > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018. > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below) > I've basically initiated the Retirement sentiment which has

Re: [VOTE] Retire HTrace from Incubation

2018-03-08 Thread Sean Busbey
+1 retire. Thanks for making a go of it folks. Hope to see the work leveraged in the future. On 2018/03/08 14:49:23, lewis john mcgibbney wrote: > Hi Folks, > Below I've populated our report for the month of March 2018. > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/March2018 (also below) > I've basically