Re: svn commit: r541138 - in /httpd/httpd/trunk: docs/man/ab.8 docs/manual/programs/ab.html.en docs/manual/programs/ab.xml support/ab.c

2007-05-24 Thread Vincent Bray
On 24/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: sctemme Date: Wed May 23 19:19:04 2007 New Revision: 541138 Thanks Sander, I subscribed to the httpd-cvs list (as linked to from the httpd site) three days ago but haven't seen any commits. Is that list still active? I got the

[Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked that the wiki become read-only for the conclusion of this decision. [ ] Our httpd wiki is open to external resources for httpd. [ ] External

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Paul Querna
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked that the wiki become read-only for the conclusion of this decision. [XX] Our httpd wiki is open to external

Re: mod_cache: Don't update when req max-age=0?

2007-05-24 Thread Niklas Edmundsson
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Henrik Nordstrom wrote: tis 2007-05-22 klockan 11:40 +0200 skrev Niklas Edmundsson: -8--- Does anybody see a problem with changing mod_cache to not update the stored headers when the request has max-age=0, the body turns out not to be stale and the on-disk

Re: svn commit: r541138 - in /httpd/httpd/trunk: docs/man/ab.8 docs/manual/programs/ab.html.en docs/manual/programs/ab.xml support/ab.c

2007-05-24 Thread Sander Temme
On May 23, 2007, at 11:49 PM, Vincent Bray wrote: On 24/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: sctemme Date: Wed May 23 19:19:04 2007 New Revision: 541138 Thanks Sander, I subscribed to the httpd-cvs list (as linked to from the httpd site) three days ago but haven't seen

Re: [vote] Piped loggers and APR_SHELLCMD_ENV

2007-05-24 Thread Sander Temme
On May 23, 2007, at 4:39 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: [ ] Revert to |foo to invoke foo, and add |$foo syntax to launch foo via sh I like this one the best, since it consumes fewest resources in the default case. [ ] Retain |foo to invoke foo through sh, and add ||foo

Re: mod_cache: Don't update when req max-age=0?

2007-05-24 Thread Sander Striker
On 5/24/07, Niklas Edmundsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007, Henrik Nordstrom wrote: tis 2007-05-22 klockan 11:40 +0200 skrev Niklas Edmundsson: -8--- Does anybody see a problem with changing mod_cache to not update the stored headers when the request has

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision, and in the meantime asked that the wiki become read-only for the conclusion of this decision. [ ] Our httpd wiki is open to external resources

Re: mod_cache: Don't update when req max-age=0?

2007-05-24 Thread Graham Leggett
On Thu, May 24, 2007 10:23 am, Sander Striker wrote: It's fine in an RFC point of view for the cache to completely ignore a 304 and not update the stored entity at all. But the response to this request should be the merge of the two responses assuming the conditional was added by the

Re: [vote] Piped loggers and APR_SHELLCMD_ENV

2007-05-24 Thread Joe Orton
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:39:48PM -0500, William Rowe wrote: While I'm working on a solution to permit cmd.exe to be launched from a service process within Win32, I'm still struck by the inefficiency here and feel we need to resolve the core issue. ... [ ] Revert to |foo to invoke foo, and

Re: [vote] Piped loggers and APR_SHELLCMD_ENV

2007-05-24 Thread Jeff Trawick
On 5/23/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I'm working on a solution to permit cmd.exe to be launched from a service process within Win32, I'm still struck by the inefficiency here and feel we need to resolve the core issue. Regarding the inefficiency, it doesn't seem to

Re: [vote] Piped loggers and APR_SHELLCMD_ENV

2007-05-24 Thread Ruediger Pluem
On 05/24/2007 11:27 AM, Joe Orton wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:39:48PM -0500, William Rowe wrote: While I'm working on a solution to permit cmd.exe to be launched from a service process within Win32, I'm still struck by the inefficiency here and feel we need to resolve the core issue.

Re: mod_cache: Don't update when req max-age=0?

2007-05-24 Thread Niklas Edmundsson
On Thu, 24 May 2007, Sander Striker wrote: -8--- Does anybody see a problem with changing mod_cache to not update the stored headers when the request has max-age=0, the body turns out not to be stale and the on-disk header hasn't expired? -8--- My

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Joshua Slive
On 5/24/07, Yoav Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On 5/24/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/23/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a serious issue to determine, and I've asked for a 48 hour cooldown of wiki.apache.org/httpd/ to make a decision,

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Eric Covener
On 5/24/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a Wiki isn't open to community input ( where community here means *users*, not the typical Apache definition of community meaning the *committers*), then what is it for? The wiki is for community input. Not recognizing the difference

Re: mod_cache: Don't update when req max-age=0?

2007-05-24 Thread Henrik Nordstrom
tor 2007-05-24 klockan 13:22 +0200 skrev Niklas Edmundsson: c) RFC-wise it seems to me that a not-modified object is a not-modified object. There is no guarantee that next request will hit the same cache, so nothing can expect a max-age=0 request to force a cache to rewrite its

Re: [vote] Piped loggers and APR_SHELLCMD_ENV

2007-05-24 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:39:48PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: So I brought up to the list 'fixing' this with an additional meta character to follow | that would distinguish sh from non-sh invocations, and permit both. Wouldn't | exec logger work? -- Colm MacCárthaigh

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek private benefits from external links. I like the elegance of this rule, because if it's your page and you

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
On May 24, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek private benefits from external links. I like the

Re: [vote] Piped loggers and APR_SHELLCMD_ENV

2007-05-24 Thread Ruediger Pluem
On 05/24/2007 02:39 PM, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 06:39:48PM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: So I brought up to the list 'fixing' this with an additional meta character to follow | that would distinguish sh from non-sh invocations, and permit both. Wouldn't |

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 5/24/07, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 24, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Rich Bowen
On May 24, 2007, at 08:50, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 08:05:30AM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote: External links are encouraged where they add substantial value, but you may not link to your own pages or otherwise seek private benefits from external links. I like the

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Rich Bowen
On May 24, 2007, at 04:23, Tony Stevenson wrote: AskApache has had several email conversations with both myself, and Rich. In which he was asked politely, but firmly to not use links to content on his site. NOTE: NOT because external links are bad, but because the articles to which

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Mads Toftum
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:14:23AM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote: NOTE: NOT because external links are bad, but because the articles to which he was linking were misleading, incorrect, and promoted sub- optimal solutions to common problems. The implied endorsement (The Apache docs link to this

Re: [vote] Piped loggers and APR_SHELLCMD_ENV

2007-05-24 Thread Jim Jagielski
On May 24, 2007, at 4:04 AM, Sander Temme wrote: On May 23, 2007, at 4:39 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: [ ] Revert to |foo to invoke foo, and add |$foo syntax to launch foo via sh I like this one the best, since it consumes fewest resources in the default case. [ ] Retain

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Vincent Bray
On 24/05/07, Mads Toftum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 - I don't think a single users abuse should force us into making a catch all policy. Part of the price of running a wiki is that you'll have to deal with abuse from time to time. I also agree with all of Rich's sentiments, but I feel a

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Joshua Slive
On 5/24/07, Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 24, 2007, at 04:23, Tony Stevenson wrote: AskApache has had several email conversations with both myself, and Rich. In which he was asked politely, but firmly to not use links to content on his site. NOTE: NOT because external links

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
On 5/24/07, Joshua Slive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apache wiki is not some democratic exercise like wikipedia where we need to treat everyone equally. We are a meritocracy, not a democracy, even on the wiki. Certain people (like Rich) have earned the right to make final decisions about what

Re: [vote] Piped loggers and APR_SHELLCMD_ENV

2007-05-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Jeff Trawick wrote: On 5/23/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I'm working on a solution to permit cmd.exe to be launched from a service process within Win32, I'm still struck by the inefficiency here and feel we need to resolve the core issue. Apparently it is a good

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 5/24/07, Jorge Schrauwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe one rule that states that {INSERT AUTHERIZED PEOPLE HERE} can make a decision on a dispute. Example: some external link that provide bad/false or not prefured information. If that person/persons decide the link needs to go it should.

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
[for infra, who is bcc'ed - three * bullets below] Joshua Slive wrote: Although I respect Bill's desire to have this solved apache-wide, I actually think that this case would have been better addressed in the closer confines of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's just address this particular case and

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Joshua Slive
On 5/24/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [for infra, who is bcc'ed - three * bullets below] * ask infra to reopen the wiki to general write access, * aks infra to please revoke AskApache/their ip from the httpd wiki. +1.

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
On 5/24/07, Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/24/07, Jorge Schrauwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe one rule that states that {INSERT AUTHERIZED PEOPLE HERE} can make a decision on a dispute. Example: some external link that provide bad/false or not prefured information. If

Re: [VOTE] does mod_python want to be a TLP

2007-05-24 Thread Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy
OK, now that we have a name, I'd like to make sure we agree on what we're going to submit to the board, namely that: 1. We'd like a TLP for the purpose of overseeing Python projects which includes mod_python. 2. We'd like to name this project Quetzalcoatl. 3. The initial PMC will be:

Re: [Issue] External links @ the wiki, aka pagechange wars

2007-05-24 Thread Colm MacCarthaigh
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 06:47:49PM -0500, Webmaster wrote: Say whatever you want, I'm not going to argue when the evidence is online for everyone to examine. Go look at the wiki at my posting history, you will see how unfairly I have been treated. I've done just that today, never having

Re: TLP Name

2007-05-24 Thread Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy
Quetzalcoatl is the winner. Grisha On Tue, 22 May 2007, Rob Sanderson wrote: +1 Quetzalcoatl And ditto re pyFoo and kFoo. :) Rob On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 12:08 -0400, Jim Gallacher wrote: +1 Quetzalcoatl I think I voted 3 times for different things, so this is my *final* official vote.