Re: NetBeans cash bounties
Not sure what JIRA APIs there are. I'll try something simpler (static) first... when I find some time. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 24 April 2018 3:02 AM, John Muczynski wrote: > Hmm... can you connect it into JIRA? > > > Johnny Muczynski > > 734-262-2045 > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:44 PM Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch > > wrote: > > > Bought nbbounty.org today. > > > > Let's see if I find a way to put it to good use. > > > > --emi > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On 16 April 2018 10:18 AM, Jaroslav Tulach jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > We always wanted to do bounties and we even had a domain for that - > > > > > > nbbounty.org - however corporations like Sun or Oracle were never > > > > > > supportive of such practices. Looks like Apache isn't in favor of that > > > > > > either, but at least it is not going to stop such effort. As such I am > > > > > > still hoping... > > > > > > Bounties can help the quality of the product. There were thousands of > > > > > > bugs > > > > > > in the NetBeans Bugzilla, but only few of them really annoying. Giving > > > > > > users a chance to select the important ones by spending few pennies or > > > > > > cents would really help the development team to focus on the stuff that > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > Please, help the NetBeans Bounty program happen! > > > > > > -jt > > > > > > 2018-04-14 19:30 GMT+02:00 William L. Thomson Jr. wlt...@o-sinc.com: > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400 > > > > > > > > Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch wrote: > > > > > > > > > That's a very 'global' view, William. > > > > > > > > > > The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find > > > > > > > > > > of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself. > > > > > > > > Sure I understand, and agree with your idea. > > > > > > > > > I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole > > > > > > > > > > project. > > > > > > > > It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties > > > > > > > > and it could snowball from there. It is a good idea after all. Thus it > > > > > > > > likely would grow and spread. > > > > > > > > > Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI > > > > > > > > > > related. > > > > > > > > My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions > > > > > > > > that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > the project resulting from different directions. > > > > > > > > > Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to > > > > > > > > > > fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff > > > > > > > > > > that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the > > > > > > > > > > workflow. > > > > > > > > Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a > > > > > > > > good one is spreading :) > > > > > > > > > I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something > > > > > > > > > > at some point and see how it goes. > > > > > > > > I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make > > > > > > > > difficult, or pee in your cornflakes > > > > > > > > I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such. > > > > > > > > I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways. > > > > > > > > Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :) > > > > > > > > I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for > > > > > > > > development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a > > > > > > > > manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > William L. Thomson Jr. > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
Hmm... can you connect it into JIRA? -- Johnny Muczynski 734-262-2045 On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 2:44 PM Emilian Bold wrote: > Bought nbbounty.org today. > > Let's see if I find a way to put it to good use. > > --emi > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On 16 April 2018 10:18 AM, Jaroslav Tulach > wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > We always wanted to do bounties and we even had a domain for that - > > > > nbbounty.org - however corporations like Sun or Oracle were never > > > > supportive of such practices. Looks like Apache isn't in favor of that > > > > either, but at least it is not going to stop such effort. As such I am > > > > still hoping... > > > > Bounties can help the quality of the product. There were thousands of > bugs > > > > in the NetBeans Bugzilla, but only few of them really annoying. Giving > > > > users a chance to select the important ones by spending few pennies or > > > > cents would really help the development team to focus on the stuff that > > > > matters. > > > > Please, help the NetBeans Bounty program happen! > > > > -jt > > > > 2018-04-14 19:30 GMT+02:00 William L. Thomson Jr. wlt...@o-sinc.com: > > > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400 > > > > > > Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch wrote: > > > > > > > That's a very 'global' view, William. > > > > > > > > The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find > > > > > > > > of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself. > > > > > > Sure I understand, and agree with your idea. > > > > > > > I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole > > > > > > > > project. > > > > > > It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties > > > > > > and it could snowball from there. It is a good idea after all. Thus it > > > > > > likely would grow and spread. > > > > > > > Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI > > > > > > > > related. > > > > > > My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions > > > > > > that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues > for > > > > > > the project resulting from different directions. > > > > > > > Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to > > > > > > > > fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff > > > > > > > > that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the > > > > > > > > workflow. > > > > > > Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a > > > > > > good one is spreading :) > > > > > > > I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something > > > > > > > > at some point and see how it goes. > > > > > > I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make > > > > > > difficult, or pee in your cornflakes > > > > > > I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such. > > > > > > I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways. > > > > > > Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :) > > > > > > I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for > > > > > > development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a > > > > > > manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > William L. Thomson Jr. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
Bought nbbounty.org today. Let's see if I find a way to put it to good use. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 16 April 2018 10:18 AM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > Hi. > > We always wanted to do bounties and we even had a domain for that - > > nbbounty.org - however corporations like Sun or Oracle were never > > supportive of such practices. Looks like Apache isn't in favor of that > > either, but at least it is not going to stop such effort. As such I am > > still hoping... > > Bounties can help the quality of the product. There were thousands of bugs > > in the NetBeans Bugzilla, but only few of them really annoying. Giving > > users a chance to select the important ones by spending few pennies or > > cents would really help the development team to focus on the stuff that > > matters. > > Please, help the NetBeans Bounty program happen! > > -jt > > 2018-04-14 19:30 GMT+02:00 William L. Thomson Jr. wlt...@o-sinc.com: > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400 > > > > Emilian Bold emilian.b...@protonmail.ch wrote: > > > > > That's a very 'global' view, William. > > > > > > The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find > > > > > > of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself. > > > > Sure I understand, and agree with your idea. > > > > > I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole > > > > > > project. > > > > It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties > > > > and it could snowball from there. It is a good idea after all. Thus it > > > > likely would grow and spread. > > > > > Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI > > > > > > related. > > > > My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions > > > > that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues for > > > > the project resulting from different directions. > > > > > Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to > > > > > > fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff > > > > > > that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the > > > > > > workflow. > > > > Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a > > > > good one is spreading :) > > > > > I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something > > > > > > at some point and see how it goes. > > > > I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make > > > > difficult, or pee in your cornflakes > > > > I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such. > > > > I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways. > > > > Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :) > > > > I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for > > > > development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a > > > > manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities. > > > > -- > > > > William L. Thomson Jr. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
Hi. We always wanted to do bounties and we even had a domain for that - nbbounty.org - however corporations like Sun or Oracle were never supportive of such practices. Looks like Apache isn't in favor of that either, but at least it is not going to stop such effort. As such I am still hoping... Bounties can help the quality of the product. There were thousands of bugs in the NetBeans Bugzilla, but only few of them really annoying. Giving users a chance to select the important ones by spending few pennies or cents would really help the development team to focus on the stuff that matters. Please, help the NetBeans Bounty program happen! -jt 2018-04-14 19:30 GMT+02:00 William L. Thomson Jr. : > On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400 > Emilian Bold wrote: > > > That's a very 'global' view, William. > > > > The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find > > of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself. > > Sure I understand, and agree with your idea. > > > I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole > > project. > > It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties > and it could snowball from there. It is a good idea after all. Thus it > likely would grow and spread. > > > Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI > > related. > > My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions > that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues for > the project resulting from different directions. > > > Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to > > fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff > > that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the > > workflow. > > Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a > good one is spreading :) > > > I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something > > at some point and see how it goes. > > I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make > difficult, or pee in your cornflakes > > I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such. > I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways. > Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :) > > I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for > development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a > manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities. > > -- > William L. Thomson Jr. >
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:23:42 -0400 Emilian Bold wrote: > That's a very 'global' view, William. > > The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find > of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself. Sure I understand, and agree with your idea. > I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole > project. It likely would not. But it could encourage others to offer bounties and it could snowball from there. It is a good idea after all. Thus it likely would grow and spread. > Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI > related. My concerns were never security related. Just conflicting directions that lead to debates, forks, loss of contributors and general issues for the project resulting from different directions. > Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to > fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff > that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the > workflow. Sure I agree, and like you see with Ubuntu and others, the idea being a good one is spreading :) > I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something > at some point and see how it goes. I surely was not trying to shoot down your idea, discourage, make difficult, or pee in your cornflakes I just had the idea before for like monthly news articles, and such. I feel it is an idea that can benefit many projects in many small ways. Leading to big things. Thousands of paper cuts :) I think the future will see FOSS moving to funded models for development via small bounties and the like. You see that now in a manner with GSoC, and other stuff like FreeBSD Foundation activities. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpQavo9ows4Q.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
That's a very 'global' view, William. The whole idea though is to improve the project in some areas I find of need. Because I don't have the time or desire to do that myself. I don't believe my tiny bounty will change the course of the whole project. Also, it's not about security, it's normal user stuff, mostly UI related. Ubuntu had a cool project: 100 paper cuts. "Papercuts are trivial to fix, but annoying bugs." So, I'm thinking along the same lines: stuff that doesn't take lot of time to fix, but that would really help the workflow. I see there's really no way to handle this. I'll just try something at some point and see how it goes. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 11 April 2018 7:55 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:28:25 +0200 > > Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Muczynski johnst...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > ...Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it > > > > > > can bypass the normal commit process... > > > > Exactly. > > > > Many Apache committers are paid to work on our projects but that > > > > doesn't allow them to say "I need this commit to go in because my > > > > employer needs it". > > I haven't looked into that process, to see if various projects have > > some sort of leadership and direction. If commits go against such > > direction if the are accepted. rejected etc. > > > To get my commits in, I need to find a technical reason why they add > > > > value to the project. > > > > It is exactly the same if commits come from people paid to work on > > > > NetBeans by bounties. > > Google and Sony have their way with Gentoo. Samsung has its way > > with EFL. Their commits go through the normal process... > > Ever hear of Chrome OS? Or Google OnHub router. Or Playstation Now? > > While not nefarious, they are able to fund areas of Gentoo development > > as they see fit for their commercial interests. Simply by hiring Gentoo > > developers, who go through normal commit process. But their > > activities have nothing to do with Gentoo Foundation. > > I see similar happening in the Enlightenment/EFL community, with > > Samsung using EFL as the basis for Tizen. Samsung is sponsoring > > development there and has caused some rifts in the community. > > They lack a foundation or anything to make that situation better. > > So Samsung is essentially leading EFL development now. Not that it is > > bad per se. But their interest is not FOSS > > Thus each can do things that are technically beneficial to them, and > > maybe such to the project. But without going through a Foundation or > > leadership via some means. Nothing is there to ensure it benefits the > > project... Which at times can cause harm to the community. Neither > > Gentoo nor EFL/Enlightenment communities are thriving. While companies > > are making money off both... Its like exploiting FOSS in a way. > > Not to mention the whole giving back thing... Like bounties, some devs > > get money from those companies, but does not benefit the project or > > community a whole. If that money flowed through the foundation it may > > go to other uses for a wider community benefit. > > Just examples, but they are real world examples. I would imagine > > companies may have commercial interest in Netbeans. Now that it is not > > under Oracle. Though Netbeans is just an IDE, so likely less beneficial. > > > ---
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:28:25 +0200 Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Muczynski > wrote: > > ...Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it > > can bypass the normal commit process... > > Exactly. > > Many Apache committers are paid to work on our projects but that > doesn't allow them to say "I need this commit to go in because my > employer needs it". I haven't looked into that process, to see if various projects have some sort of leadership and direction. If commits go against such direction if the are accepted. rejected etc. > To get my commits in, I need to find a technical reason why they add > value to the project. > > It is exactly the same if commits come from people paid to work on > NetBeans by bounties. Google and Sony have their way with Gentoo. Samsung has its way with EFL. Their commits go through the normal process... Ever hear of Chrome OS? Or Google OnHub router. Or Playstation Now? While not nefarious, they are able to fund areas of Gentoo development as they see fit for their commercial interests. Simply by hiring Gentoo developers, who go through normal commit process. But their activities have nothing to do with Gentoo Foundation. I see similar happening in the Enlightenment/EFL community, with Samsung using EFL as the basis for Tizen. Samsung is sponsoring development there and has caused some rifts in the community. They lack a foundation or anything to make that situation better. So Samsung is essentially leading EFL development now. Not that it is bad per se. But their interest is not FOSS Thus each can do things that are technically beneficial to them, and maybe such to the project. But without going through a Foundation or leadership via some means. Nothing is there to ensure it benefits the project... Which at times can cause harm to the community. Neither Gentoo nor EFL/Enlightenment communities are thriving. While companies are making money off both... Its like exploiting FOSS in a way. Not to mention the whole giving back thing... Like bounties, some devs get money from those companies, but does not benefit the project or community a whole. If that money flowed through the foundation it may go to other uses for a wider community benefit. Just examples, but they are real world examples. I would imagine companies may have commercial interest in Netbeans. Now that it is not under Oracle. Though Netbeans is just an IDE, so likely less beneficial. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpiYPKFUTmzz.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 09:31:03 +0200 Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:45 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > ...which I why I also suggested taking it to the Apache > > Foundation as a global issue. All Apache projects could benefit from > > such. No reason to limit to just Netbeans... > > I don't think the ASF can ever get involved in paying bounties for > development. It goes against our very strong "fierce independence from > companies and organizations" principle, ASF already has financial sponsors, this is really no different. By the ASF controlling any funds and paying out bounties. You ensure your independence. If companies pay bounties in areas they see fit outside of the ASF. Then you lose that independence IMHO. ASF ultimately would control any payouts. If a funding company wanted to see A developed and provided funds for it, but ASF decided otherwise. That is the entire point of money flowing through ASF rather than outside. > and might be problematic with our 501(c)3 status as well. It has not been a problem for FreeBSD, who is a 501c3. I am in awe of their foundation in all honesty. I had hopes of the Gentoo Foundation have similar organization and impact. I highly recommend taking a look at the FreeBSD foundations activities. I think it is a model for others to replicate in ways. It is working, it is growing over time. Their fund raising has increased substantially from past years, like 300k in 2008 or something. > That being said, the best place to discuss such things ASF-wide is the > dev@community.a.o list, https://community.apache.org/ I may join that if you feel others would be receptive to such ideas. I am not trying to push anything on anyone. I am already seen as a noise/trouble maker in places. But I am happy to join and partake in a discussion on such. It is off topic for this list, just came up here. Also does kinda relate to Netbeans, as it is going from having a leader Oracle to ASF. Not sure if the project will be lead the same, etc. Anyway no more here on this off topic :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpQPZn7thHTj.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:45 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > ...which I why I also suggested taking it to the Apache > Foundation as a global issue. All Apache projects could benefit from > such. No reason to limit to just Netbeans... I don't think the ASF can ever get involved in paying bounties for development. It goes against our very strong "fierce independence from companies and organizations" principle, and might be problematic with our 501(c)3 status as well. That being said, the best place to discuss such things ASF-wide is the dev@community.a.o list, https://community.apache.org/ -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Muczynski wrote: > ...Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it can bypass > the normal commit process... Exactly. Many Apache committers are paid to work on our projects but that doesn't allow them to say "I need this commit to go in because my employer needs it". To get my commits in, I need to find a technical reason why they add value to the project. It is exactly the same if commits come from people paid to work on NetBeans by bounties. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:03:56 + Neil C Smith wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 at 16:56 William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:35:27 +0200 > > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > > > See > > > https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html > > > > Why I feel its best for any sponsoring, bounties, etc to go through > > normal project structure. To allow project leadership to determine > > what is best, etc. > > > > While I don't disagree with the concern, I don't think there's any > way to do that within Apache (ie. as laid out in that disclaimer). > At least, going on what was said the last time this was all discussed > on here (or possibly on users@) Yes, which I why I also suggested taking it to the Apache Foundation as a global issue. All Apache projects could benefit from such. No reason to limit to just Netbeans. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpzQMfdjXlxn.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it can bypass the normal commit process. Without using care, the person offering the bounty might end up with code on their hands that doesn't become part of NetBeans. On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:04 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 at 16:56 William L. Thomson Jr. > wrote: > > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:35:27 +0200 > > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > > > See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html > > > > Why I feel its best for any sponsoring, bounties, etc to go through > > normal project structure. To allow project leadership to determine what > > is best, etc. > > > > While I don't disagree with the concern, I don't think there's any way to > do that within Apache (ie. as laid out in that disclaimer). At least, > going on what was said the last time this was all discussed on here (or > possibly on users@) > > Best wishes, > > Neil > -- > Neil C Smith > Artist & Technologist > www.neilcsmith.net > > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org >
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 at 16:56 William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:35:27 +0200 > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html > > Why I feel its best for any sponsoring, bounties, etc to go through > normal project structure. To allow project leadership to determine what > is best, etc. > While I don't disagree with the concern, I don't think there's any way to do that within Apache (ie. as laid out in that disclaimer). At least, going on what was said the last time this was all discussed on here (or possibly on users@) Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 11:35:27 +0200 Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Emilian Bold > wrote: > > ...I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans > > annoyances I encounter... > > See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html > for a disclaimer that's been used in the past for such things. You'll > need something like to make it clear that the bounties come from you > and not from Apache NetBeans. I am not against individuals sponsoring areas they like. But that also means it can allow individuals to fund areas of interest to them which may not be the interest of the project as a whole. Said another way, Oracle/Sun used to lead Netbeans project development I would assume. Now its being handed to the community. If the community just self funds areas of interest to them. Things may go in wild directions. Minor when talking bugs, but if anything more. Why I feel its best for any sponsoring, bounties, etc to go through normal project structure. To allow project leadership to determine what is best, etc. Not saying take someones money and do not fulfill their wishes, but balance out such needs. I work for company A and you B. We both sponsor things that meet our needs or interest. Those may conflict for competitive purposes. Then you get a mess and have a hard time leading the project. Plus letting outsiders control and influence project development for their own purposes vs those of the general community as a whole. -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpsc5k6_QqIf.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Christian Lenz wrote: > Is this question more about finding and Fixing Bugs that can harm user? Like > exploitable Bugs?... Note that for security vulnerabilities the ASF security process must be followed, that's at http://www.apache.org/security/committers.html -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
How about these two sites? HackerOne https://hackerone.com Bugcrowd https://www.bugcrowd.com/bug-bounty-list/ -- Johnny Muczynski 734-262-2045 On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 5:35 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Emilian Bold > wrote: > > ...I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans > annoyances I encounter... > > See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html > for a disclaimer that's been used in the past for such things. You'll > need something like to make it clear that the bounties come from you > and not from Apache NetBeans. > > -Bertrand > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
Hi, On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > ...I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans annoyances I > encounter... See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html for a disclaimer that's been used in the past for such things. You'll need something like to make it clear that the bounties come from you and not from Apache NetBeans. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: NetBeans cash bounties
On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 04:36:16 -0400 Emilian Bold wrote: > Hello, > > I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans > annoyances I encounter. Something like $25 / issue. So, more like a > cash tip than a big bounty. > > Seems like a good idea to me, but perhaps I'm missing something? Any > reason *not* to try this out? IMHO this is the future of FOSS. Some like FreeBSD via its foundation are already funding aspects of development. Which is fantastic! Not so much in bounties. I had similar ideas long ago in Gentoo when I was a Gentoo Foundation Trustee. Sadly for many reason that did not happen. I highly recommend and encourage any and all FOSS projects to look to various paid aspects of development. Even small bounties can buy "beer" money. Though for students or others in various nations could add up > I wonder what service to use for these bounties? I previously heard > of bountysource.com but it seems rather deserted and now they are > owned by some company also selling crypto tokens or such. Any other > choices? > > It would be cool if some contributors would forfeit the bounty and > redirect it towards some other NetBeans issue. Then we have some > multiplier going on. I wonder how to encourage this? You may consider bring this to Apache Foundation as more of a global idea for not just Netbeans in Apache but other projects. Companies and others may want to help fund aspects with various donations that can be used as fuel for bounties, etc. Handling the actual funds is another matter, I rather not get into discussion on as it can vary, international banking, digital currency, accounting, non profit tax reporting/compliance, etc. Again something I would assume Apache already dealing with on some level or another. Other projects outside of say Apache and Eclipse may look to things such as SFC or SPI. With IMHO the SFC being the better based on funded business model. https://sfconservancy.org/ http://www.spi-inc.org/ -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpeFlBGi_W5F.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature