Re: open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-24 Thread jonathon
On 04/21/2015 09:40 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

We’ve done this unofficially; but why not have a page that identifies
not just derivatives

As best as I can determine, only one program on Android claims to be
derived from the AOO code base, and nothing on iOS claims to be so derived.

with the point of identity being ODF support (and license).

I quit trying to track iOS and Android apps that had ODF support, when I
realized that for every app that did so, there were around 50 that made
that claim, but could neither open, nor write ODF documents.

jonathon




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Re: open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-21 Thread jan i
On Tuesday, April 21, 2015, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hm. I think the issue below is serious. And one we can address. But do
 others think that way or believe otherwise?


Not sure how we can really address this, considering our challenges making
a new desktop release.

Rgds
jan i


 louis
  On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:25, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
 
 
  On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:06, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
 
  Or have you not noticed that there are
  precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source
 productivity
  tools to be found ready for the enterprise?
 
  to rephrase: productivity software, especially for enterprise, is
 overwhelmingly dominated by proprietary apps sold by very large
 multinational corporations. The apps available are often free, as in beer
 but not free as in speech. They are not open source. It does not matter if
 the operating system is Android or iOS or whatever, though there are some
 differences, at least in the marginal OSs, which represent a minute
 fraction of the total used.
 
  What this means is that as tablets (however imagined) are brought into
 the enterprise (public or private sector), open source is almost entirely
 absent. Yes, many apps use open source languages but so what? The UX model
 promoted by the smart, mobile device shuts out user intervention, with some
 exception, and there seems to be nothing organised that I can see that’s
 trying to change this arrangement and make it easier to create, distribute
 and even promote open source productivity apps on mobile devices.
 
  Yes, I am aware that tablets are falling out of popularity, but I also
 am aware that the tablet as imagined by Apple and incarnated in the iPad,
 was designed and is still envisioned as a consumer entertainment device,
 not as a work device (though that is changing) and that efforts to
 insinuate the tablet form factor into enterprise, as Microsoft has tried,
 have not succeeded. However, the mobile device is succeeding in areas where
 investment capital is less visible and it is likely to be the preferred
 mode for the billions that will be coming fresh to school, work, and other
 areas where computing devices are de rigeur (now or soon). And these users,
 in Africa, Latin America, and  the rest of the world, rich or poor, will be
 using… proprietary software.
 
  So, although the situation on the desktop (and by this one means also
 the laptop, of course; one refers here to the UX not hardware) is generally
 not bad for open source, that’s not so for the mobile UX. I doubt very much
 that Ubuntu or Moz. will put a dent into hard proprietary wave. What would,
 however, would be mobile apps that can work smoothly with existing desktop
 productivity software installations. Like Corinthia.
 
  best
  louis



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open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-21 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hm. I think the issue below is serious. And one we can address. But do others 
think that way or believe otherwise?

louis
 On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:25, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:06, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Or have you not noticed that there are
 precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source productivity
 tools to be found ready for the enterprise?
 
 to rephrase: productivity software, especially for enterprise, is 
 overwhelmingly dominated by proprietary apps sold by very large multinational 
 corporations. The apps available are often free, as in beer but not free as 
 in speech. They are not open source. It does not matter if the operating 
 system is Android or iOS or whatever, though there are some differences, at 
 least in the marginal OSs, which represent a minute fraction of the total 
 used.
 
 What this means is that as tablets (however imagined) are brought into the 
 enterprise (public or private sector), open source is almost entirely absent. 
 Yes, many apps use open source languages but so what? The UX model promoted 
 by the smart, mobile device shuts out user intervention, with some exception, 
 and there seems to be nothing organised that I can see that’s trying to 
 change this arrangement and make it easier to create, distribute and even 
 promote open source productivity apps on mobile devices.
 
 Yes, I am aware that tablets are falling out of popularity, but I also am 
 aware that the tablet as imagined by Apple and incarnated in the iPad, was 
 designed and is still envisioned as a consumer entertainment device, not as a 
 work device (though that is changing) and that efforts to insinuate the 
 tablet form factor into enterprise, as Microsoft has tried, have not 
 succeeded. However, the mobile device is succeeding in areas where investment 
 capital is less visible and it is likely to be the preferred mode for the 
 billions that will be coming fresh to school, work, and other areas where 
 computing devices are de rigeur (now or soon). And these users, in Africa, 
 Latin America, and  the rest of the world, rich or poor, will be using… 
 proprietary software.
 
 So, although the situation on the desktop (and by this one means also the 
 laptop, of course; one refers here to the UX not hardware) is generally not 
 bad for open source, that’s not so for the mobile UX. I doubt very much that 
 Ubuntu or Moz. will put a dent into hard proprietary wave. What would, 
 however, would be mobile apps that can work smoothly with existing desktop 
 productivity software installations. Like Corinthia.
 
 best
 louis



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Re: open source on mobile [WAS: Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-21 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts

 On 21 Apr 2015, at 17:37, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On Tuesday, April 21, 2015, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hm. I think the issue below is serious. And one we can address. But do
 others think that way or believe otherwise?
 
 
 Not sure how we can really address this, considering our challenges making
 a new desktop release.
 

Thanks, Jan. Well, just by stating what you said is a start. Stating that we 
have limits here, in AOO, and that to pursue other ways of cracking this 
problem is okay and ought to be endorsed is a good next step. We’ve done this 
unofficially; but why not have a page that identifies not just derivatives but 
avenues of exploration and discovery, with the point of identity being ODF 
support (and license).


 Rgds
 jan i
 
 
 louis
 On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:25, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
 
 
 On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:06, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
 
 Or have you not noticed that there are
 precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source
 productivity
 tools to be found ready for the enterprise?
 
 to rephrase: productivity software, especially for enterprise, is
 overwhelmingly dominated by proprietary apps sold by very large
 multinational corporations. The apps available are often free, as in beer
 but not free as in speech. They are not open source. It does not matter if
 the operating system is Android or iOS or whatever, though there are some
 differences, at least in the marginal OSs, which represent a minute
 fraction of the total used.
 
 What this means is that as tablets (however imagined) are brought into
 the enterprise (public or private sector), open source is almost entirely
 absent. Yes, many apps use open source languages but so what? The UX model
 promoted by the smart, mobile device shuts out user intervention, with some
 exception, and there seems to be nothing organised that I can see that’s
 trying to change this arrangement and make it easier to create, distribute
 and even promote open source productivity apps on mobile devices.
 
 Yes, I am aware that tablets are falling out of popularity, but I also
 am aware that the tablet as imagined by Apple and incarnated in the iPad,
 was designed and is still envisioned as a consumer entertainment device,
 not as a work device (though that is changing) and that efforts to
 insinuate the tablet form factor into enterprise, as Microsoft has tried,
 have not succeeded. However, the mobile device is succeeding in areas where
 investment capital is less visible and it is likely to be the preferred
 mode for the billions that will be coming fresh to school, work, and other
 areas where computing devices are de rigeur (now or soon). And these users,
 in Africa, Latin America, and  the rest of the world, rich or poor, will be
 using… proprietary software.
 
 So, although the situation on the desktop (and by this one means also
 the laptop, of course; one refers here to the UX not hardware) is generally
 not bad for open source, that’s not so for the mobile UX. I doubt very much
 that Ubuntu or Moz. will put a dent into hard proprietary wave. What would,
 however, would be mobile apps that can work smoothly with existing desktop
 productivity software installations. Like Corinthia.
 
 best
 louis
 
 
 
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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-20 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts

 On 20 Apr 2015, at 13:06, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Or have you not noticed that there are
 precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source productivity
 tools to be found ready for the enterprise?

to rephrase: productivity software, especially for enterprise, is 
overwhelmingly dominated by proprietary apps sold by very large multinational 
corporations. The apps available are often free, as in beer but not free as 
in speech. They are not open source. It does not matter if the operating system 
is Android or iOS or whatever, though there are some differences, at least in 
the marginal OSs, which represent a minute fraction of the total used.

What this means is that as tablets (however imagined) are brought into the 
enterprise (public or private sector), open source is almost entirely absent. 
Yes, many apps use open source languages but so what? The UX model promoted by 
the smart, mobile device shuts out user intervention, with some exception, and 
there seems to be nothing organised that I can see that’s trying to change this 
arrangement and make it easier to create, distribute and even promote open 
source productivity apps on mobile devices.

Yes, I am aware that tablets are falling out of popularity, but I also am aware 
that the tablet as imagined by Apple and incarnated in the iPad, was designed 
and is still envisioned as a consumer entertainment device, not as a work 
device (though that is changing) and that efforts to insinuate the tablet form 
factor into enterprise, as Microsoft has tried, have not succeeded. However, 
the mobile device is succeeding in areas where investment capital is less 
visible and it is likely to be the preferred mode for the billions that will be 
coming fresh to school, work, and other areas where computing devices are de 
rigeur (now or soon). And these users, in Africa, Latin America, and  the rest 
of the world, rich or poor, will be using… proprietary software.

So, although the situation on the desktop (and by this one means also the 
laptop, of course; one refers here to the UX not hardware) is generally not bad 
for open source, that’s not so for the mobile UX. I doubt very much that Ubuntu 
or Moz. will put a dent into hard proprietary wave. What would, however, would 
be mobile apps that can work smoothly with existing desktop productivity 
software installations. Like Corinthia.

best
louis


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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-20 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi Louis,

2015-04-19 17:17 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com:


 Thanks for the clarification and am glad you’ve been able to work with
 them.. I’m also not employed by them. I do find their work and
 collaboration interesting, as well, and in particular their use of
 Calligra, which I’ve long touted as very interesting, indeed. (I tried to
 engage Inge for a project; my inducement was the interest value of it.) I
 am intrigued that they chose to use Calligra here, as opposed, say, to
 WebODF (which was made by some who used to be associated—not sure?--with
 KOffice, which forked, one tine being Calligra; it is now the dominant one,
 I believe). I had been considering WebODF as a means of providing a measure
 of ODF support on mobile devices, and that still may materialise (if I get
 on it) but the Calligra instance is interesting. I’d love to learn more,
 on-list or off-list. I hope others might find you explanation of interest.


I don't currently work for them, only tell that they exist. But maybe,
after my retirement in two months, I will start to work on a FR
localization of their extensions. We'll see. I'm not especially a fan of
Mathematics and Statistics, but perhaps with a little aspirine, I could
digest  Modeller ... ;-)
I don't have more details about the EuroOffice for Android developpement.
Maybe it's better to contact them directly if you will to learn more on
this project. I know only that calc is now available, but I haven't tested
it :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=hu.multiracio.euroofficecalc

You might also (ahem) consider looking at Corinthia, which although is
 quite different from Calligra and EuroOffice (the subject at hand),
 nevertheless resonates with the pragmatic approach demonstrated by
 EuroOffice. My interest here is not to fragment AOO but rather to expand
 our horizons and to make it so that all users can really and truly be free
 to use open standards on the devices they bring to work or that are foisted
 upon them.


 Corinthia seems interesting, but a little young to get an accurate idea of
its possibilities. But the project is indeed promising.


 And, implicitly, to undo stealth vendor lock-in of the sort we are seeing
 now in mobiles for enterprise. Or have you not noticed that there are
 precious few native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source productivity
 tools to be found ready for the enterprise?


 I don't understand this latest sentence, I'm not a nativ en speaker, I'm
sorry.

Regards
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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-19 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi Louis,

2015-04-19 1:35 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com:


  On 18 Apr 2015, at 05:46, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 
  On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  2015-04-18 10:08 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
  javascript:;:
 
  On 17/04/2015 Guy Waterval wrote:
 
 
 
 
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android
 
  EuroOffice for Android is based on Calligra code.
 
 
  Thanks. Well, then it's clearly not an OpenOffice derivative and my
  question of whether to list it (the Android one, I mean) does not hold
  any
  longer.
 
 
  No problem. The purpose of my post was solely informative.
 
 
  thanks information is always nice to get.
 

 Indeed. Actually, it also prompts me to reignite conversations with
 EuroOffice. That they working pragmatically is wonderful news indeed.


To avoid any confusion, I'm not currently working for EuroOffice. I've
contacted them only to obtain their agreement to make some
advertising for them in Switzerland, because I'm thinking they bring also
interesting things.
Particularly, the collaboration they maintain with universities seems to me
a productive approach.
Doing so, you can develop, test and collect feedbacks at the same place.
Of course, such a collaboration is certainly not easy to start, but it can
be durable when established, which is an advantage.

Regards
-- 
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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-19 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
Hi Guy,

 On 19 Apr 2015, at 04:19, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote:
 
 

Snip

 
 
 Indeed. Actually, it also prompts me to reignite conversations with
 EuroOffice. That they working pragmatically is wonderful news indeed.
 
 
 To avoid any confusion, I'm not currently working for EuroOffice. I've
 contacted them only to obtain their agreement to make some
 advertising for them in Switzerland, because I'm thinking they bring also
 interesting things.
 Particularly, the collaboration they maintain with universities seems to me
 a productive approach.
 Doing so, you can develop, test and collect feedbacks at the same place.
 Of course, such a collaboration is certainly not easy to start, but it can
 be durable when established, which is an advantage.
 
 Regards
 --
 gw


Thanks for the clarification and am glad you’ve been able to work with them.. 
I’m also not employed by them. I do find their work and collaboration 
interesting, as well, and in particular their use of Calligra, which I’ve long 
touted as very interesting, indeed. (I tried to engage Inge for a project; my 
inducement was the interest value of it.) I am intrigued that they chose to use 
Calligra here, as opposed, say, to WebODF (which was made by some who used to 
be associated—not sure?--with KOffice, which forked, one tine being Calligra; 
it is now the dominant one, I believe). I had been considering WebODF as a 
means of providing a measure of ODF support on mobile devices, and that still 
may materialise (if I get on it) but the Calligra instance is interesting. I’d 
love to learn more, on-list or off-list. I hope others might find you 
explanation of interest.

You might also (ahem) consider looking at Corinthia, which although is quite 
different from Calligra and EuroOffice (the subject at hand), nevertheless 
resonates with the pragmatic approach demonstrated by EuroOffice. My interest 
here is not to fragment AOO but rather to expand our horizons and to make it so 
that all users can really and truly be free to use open standards on the 
devices they bring to work or that are foisted upon them.

And, implicitly, to undo stealth vendor lock-in of the sort we are seeing now 
in mobiles for enterprise. Or have you not noticed that there are precious few 
native (as opposed to virtualised) open-source productivity tools to be found 
ready for the enterprise?

-louis


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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-18 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts

 On 18 Apr 2015, at 05:46, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 
 On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote:
 
 2015-04-18 10:08 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 javascript:;:
 
 On 17/04/2015 Guy Waterval wrote:
 
 
 
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android
 
 EuroOffice for Android is based on Calligra code.
 
 
 Thanks. Well, then it's clearly not an OpenOffice derivative and my
 question of whether to list it (the Android one, I mean) does not hold
 any
 longer.
 
 
 No problem. The purpose of my post was solely informative.
 
 
 thanks information is always nice to get.
 

Indeed. Actually, it also prompts me to reignite conversations with EuroOffice. 
That they working pragmatically is wonderful news indeed.

Louis


 rgds
 jan i
 
 
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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-18 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 17/04/2015 Guy Waterval wrote:

http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android

EuroOffice for Android is based on Calligra code.


Thanks. Well, then it's clearly not an OpenOffice derivative and my 
question of whether to list it (the Android one, I mean) does not hold 
any longer.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-18 Thread jan i
On Saturday, April 18, 2015, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote:

 2015-04-18 10:08 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 javascript:;:

  On 17/04/2015 Guy Waterval wrote:
 
 
 
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android
 
  EuroOffice for Android is based on Calligra code.
 
 
  Thanks. Well, then it's clearly not an OpenOffice derivative and my
  question of whether to list it (the Android one, I mean) does not hold
 any
  longer.


  No problem. The purpose of my post was solely informative.


thanks information is always nice to get.

rgds
jan i


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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-17 Thread Simon Phipps
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Nguyễn Đình Văn dinhva...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Dear all,
 I have 2 question, please ask me:
 1. Can [Apache open office] view office on Android?


There's no work in progress on this at Apache, but there are two related
serious activities.
* A direct port of AOO to Android has been performed, [AndrOpenoffice][1} -
however, its user interface is not adapted to touch-only use and I find it
usable only in desktop contexts (with a wireless keyboard and mouse) where
I might as well use a laptop
* A project is under way to create a specific adaptation for Android, and
the project has reached the stage of a stable and useful document viewer,
[LibreOffice Viewer][2]



 2. Can library of [Apache open office] convert document to image ?


There is a server mode that you can use to perform a variety of
conversions. There have been forum discussions [sample][3] and there's a
[how-to for LibreOffice][4]. I would suggest researching this headless
mode and then coming back with questions.

HTH,

Simon


[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice
[2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.collabora.libreoffice
[3] https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=66219
[4]
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser#Running_LibreOffice_in_server_mode


Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-17 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts

 On 17 Apr 2015, at 05:45, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 
 Guy Waterval wrote:
 EuroOffice for Android is a possibility
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android
 
 Is this based on the OpenOffice code? Should it be added to the porting page 
 http://www.openoffice.org/porting/ (provided they want to be listed there, of 
 course)? Did anybody try it?

Isn’t EuroOffice just OpenOffice rebranded (maybe now, LO?)? Based on would 
seem an ambitious description. If you recall, MultiRacio of Hungary, the makers 
and distributors of EuroOffice, have had correspondence with OpenOffice (and 
previously, OOo) since 2007, at least. They presented at the Barcelona OOo 
Conference back in 2007, where my goal was to persuade them to become positive 
members of the community. They in fact positively contributed and were 
prominent in the last OOoCon, the one held in Budapest. EuroOffice has 
contributed templates and, I think, extensions to the repository, and the 
latest on this subject was, in fact, from 24 May 2013, when Kázmér Koleszár 
wrote to express frustration with being unable to post updates to the 
extensions his company had already posted there. (Roberto Galoppini replied 
positively on this matter.)

The site for MultiRacio has 2014, suggesting it’s up-to-date, more or less, but 
I would be astonished if they have a version for Android, though it’s also 
plausible they are working with LO on this. Easy enough just to ask Kázmér or 
Banai Miklós.

If the desire is to have a working open source editor for text and other 
documents, then I would strongly suggest that people look to Corinthia Project, 
in Apache Incubator, as that stands the best chance of actually producing 
something that works and can work regardless of specific platform or 
environment.



 
 Regards,
  Andrea.


Best,
Louis


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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-17 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

On 17 Apr 2015, at 05:45, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
Guy Waterval wrote:

EuroOffice for Android is a possibility
http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android


Is this based on the OpenOffice code?

Isn’t EuroOffice just OpenOffice rebranded ...?


Maybe. But note that I was referring to the Android app, which may or 
may not share code with EuroOffice (and which, by the way, I never tested).



Based on would seem an ambitious description.


There is no policy (or need for one), but if they see themselves as an 
OpenOffice derivative, and want to be listed, and have a product -the 
Android app, I mean- that works to an acceptable standard of quality, I 
would consider it natural to add them to the page listing the OpenOffice 
ports and distributions.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-17 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi Andrea,

2015-04-17 11:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org:

 Guy Waterval wrote:

 EuroOffice for Android is a possibility

 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android


 Is this based on the OpenOffice code?


EuroOffice 2014 is based on AOO code. Previous version was based on LibO.
Developpement is performed with an university (Budapest).
EuroOffice for Android is based on Calligra code.

Should it be added to the porting page http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
 (provided they want to be listed there, of course)?


You should perhaps contact Kázmér Koleszár for that.


 Did anybody try it?


I have tested it a couple of months ago and it seemed OK. A member of
Educoo has tested it more recently with success.

Regards
-- 
gw





Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-17 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts

 On 17 Apr 2015, at 14:49, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 
 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 05:45, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 Guy Waterval wrote:
 EuroOffice for Android is a possibility
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android
 
 Is this based on the OpenOffice code?
 Isn’t EuroOffice just OpenOffice rebranded ...?
 
 Maybe. But note that I was referring to the Android app, which may or may not 
 share code with EuroOffice (and which, by the way, I never tested).
 
 Based on would seem an ambitious description.
 
 There is no policy (or need for one), but if they see themselves as an 
 OpenOffice derivative, and want to be listed, and have a product -the Android 
 app, I mean- that works to an acceptable standard of quality, I would 
 consider it natural to add them to the page listing the OpenOffice ports and 
 distributions.

I’ll let you have the last word :-) But I’m not disagreeing with you; rather, 
I’m suggesting that a better tree to bark at would be Corinthia.


 
 Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-17 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi Louis,

2015-04-17 22:26 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com:


  On 17 Apr 2015, at 14:49, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 
  Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
  On 17 Apr 2015, at 05:45, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
  Guy Waterval wrote:
  EuroOffice for Android is a possibility
 
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android
 
  Is this based on the OpenOffice code?
  Isn’t EuroOffice just OpenOffice rebranded ...?


Some examples :

- EuroOffice can export to .docx, .xslx, .pptx.
- The EuroOffice Adaptive Interface extension provides users with a
dinamycal menusystem to EuroOffice. By changing the size of the menu item
according to the frequency it was used it makes the menu system more
transparent. (copy from
http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_ext_adaptiveinterface
)
OK, their extensions are proprietary, but I think they make also some
development on the AOO code.

Regards
-- 
gw


Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-17 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
On 17 April 2015 at 17:53, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Louis,

 2015-04-17 22:26 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com:


  On 17 Apr 2015, at 14:49, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 
  Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
  On 17 Apr 2015, at 05:45, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
  Guy Waterval wrote:
  EuroOffice for Android is a possibility
 
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android
 
  Is this based on the OpenOffice code?
  Isn’t EuroOffice just OpenOffice rebranded ...?


 Some examples :

 - EuroOffice can export to .docx, .xslx, .pptx.
 - The EuroOffice Adaptive Interface extension provides users with a
 dinamycal menusystem to EuroOffice. By changing the size of the menu item
 according to the frequency it was used it makes the menu system more
 transparent. (copy from
 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_ext_adaptiveinterface
 )
 OK, their extensions are proprietary, but I think they make also some
 development on the AOO code.

 Regards
 --
 gw

Well, good. But why do you think I was suggesting they don't? The
point I was making was that as a product based on (or extending, say)
OO , they are not really to be looked at for an Android-ready OO app.
Please recall that I worked hard to bring EuroOffice into OOo and
honour their contributions to the ecosystem. I'm not faulting them.
I'm rather suggesting that for any code that would work well on
mobiles, we do better to look at elsewhere. I suggest Corinthia.

louis

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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-17 Thread Kay Schenk


On 04/17/2015 12:43 PM, Guy Waterval wrote:
 Hi Andrea,
 
 2015-04-17 11:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org:
 
 Guy Waterval wrote:

 EuroOffice for Android is a possibility

 http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android


 Is this based on the OpenOffice code?
 
 
 EuroOffice 2014 is based on AOO code. Previous version was based on LibO.
 Developpement is performed with an university (Budapest).
 EuroOffice for Android is based on Calligra code.

interesting permutations...and thanks for this info

We should keep our eyes on EuroOffice


 
 Should it be added to the porting page http://www.openoffice.org/porting/
 (provided they want to be listed there, of course)?
 
 
 You should perhaps contact Kázmér Koleszár for that.
 
 
 Did anybody try it?
 
 
 I have tested it a couple of months ago and it seemed OK. A member of
 Educoo has tested it more recently with success.
 
 Regards
 

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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-16 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Nguyễn Đình Văn wrote:

I have 2 question, please ask me:
1. Can [Apache open office] view office on Android?


There is a port; it's called AndrOpen Office. See 
http://www.openoffice.org/porting/



1. Can library of [Apache open office] convert document to image ?


Some modules support it directly, like Draw. Other modules can export to 
PDF and from there you can obtain any image format with the appropriate 
conversion tools, like ImageMagick.


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Apache open office on Anroid

2015-04-16 Thread Guy Waterval
Hello,

2015-04-16 18:50 GMT+02:00 Nguyễn Đình Văn dinhva...@gmail.com:

 Dear all,
 I have 2 question, please ask me:
 1. Can [Apache open office] view office on Android?


EuroOffice for Android is a possibility
http://www.multiracio.com/index.php?lang=enstyle=euroofficepage=eo_android

Regards
-- 
gw