Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 07.01.21 um 19:16 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 07.01.21 um 19:14 schrieb Marcus: Am 07.01.21 um 15:27 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 04.01.21 um 22:29 schrieb Marcus: Am 04.01.21 um 19:44 schrieb Dave Fisher: I think that the new link would look better if were directly below the buttons and not to the right. One reason is that on my window the link is too wide and “choose?” Is wrapped to below the buttons anyway. interesting. I'm working with a large resolution and big browser windows (mostly fullsize). So, problems are not always visible. As the text position is already in discussion it seems to be another good argument to place the text elsewhere. After choosing the favorite platform the users attention is still at the 3 buttons (platform, language, version). So it's the best to place the text directly below these buttons. To place it to the right of the 2 download buttons is in this second no longer in the users focus. Now it's "I want my download, now". ;-) @All: Let me play a bit with the download page. I'll come back with a suggestion. Meanwhile I did a small change to the Info Text: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/27dee325e964f29a3fa468a1e41d06e4b18bd87b Is it still needed that we are holding back the publishing of the site? I would like to have the Christmas logo reverted... ;-) ah yes, the logo. I have hoped to find also a hint text for Mac Users. But OK, we can add this later. I've now published the website. Thanks! We can now start to work on the Info Text for mac (or better the ARM version of Big Sur) OK, but lets use a new thread as the attention is higher compared to this "used" thread. ;-) Marcus On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Marcus wrote: Am 04.01.21 um 16:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 04.01.21 um 12:35 schrieb Marcus: Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 Matthias Seidel wrote: Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: I've added a bit more magic: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we want to show the users. Suggestions? Thanks! That looks good! For Windows I would suggest as title: Additional notes for Windows! Text: At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional functionality. Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice /Java Maybe the wording can be enhanced... with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the moment (only locally, not yet on staging): Title: "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" Text: "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu 'Tools - Options - OpenOffice - Java'). For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." Looks good, but *if* the URL is not clickable, I would leave it out... yes, it's in the mouse-over. So, I'll leave the link out. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, Am 07.01.21 um 19:14 schrieb Marcus: > Am 07.01.21 um 15:27 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Am 04.01.21 um 22:29 schrieb Marcus: >>> Am 04.01.21 um 19:44 schrieb Dave Fisher: I think that the new link would look better if were directly below the buttons and not to the right. One reason is that on my window the link is too wide and “choose?” Is wrapped to below the buttons anyway. >>> >>> interesting. I'm working with a large resolution and big browser >>> windows (mostly fullsize). So, problems are not always visible. >>> >>> As the text position is already in discussion it seems to be another >>> good argument to place the text elsewhere. >>> >>> After choosing the favorite platform the users attention is still at >>> the 3 buttons (platform, language, version). So it's the best to place >>> the text directly below these buttons. >>> >>> To place it to the right of the 2 download buttons is in this second >>> no longer in the users focus. Now it's "I want my download, now". ;-) >>> >>> @All: >>> Let me play a bit with the download page. I'll come back with a >>> suggestion. >> >> Meanwhile I did a small change to the Info Text: >> >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/27dee325e964f29a3fa468a1e41d06e4b18bd87b >> >> >> Is it still needed that we are holding back the publishing of the site? >> I would like to have the Christmas logo reverted... ;-) > > ah yes, the logo. > > I have hoped to find also a hint text for Mac Users. > But OK, we can add this later. > > I've now published the website. Thanks! We can now start to work on the Info Text for mac (or better the ARM version of Big Sur) Matthias > > Marcus > > > > On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Marcus wrote: > > Am 04.01.21 um 16:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Am 04.01.21 um 12:35 schrieb Marcus: >>> Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 Matthias Seidel wrote: > Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: >> >> I've added a bit more magic: >> >> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html >> >> Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux >> install >> files are selected. It's a short title with more text as >> mouse-over. >> >> For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the >> info we >> want to show the users. >> >> Suggestions? > > Thanks! That looks good! > > For Windows I would suggest as title: > > Additional notes for Windows! > > Text: > > At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. > However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit > (x86-64). > Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional > functionality. Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice /Java > Maybe the wording can be enhanced... >>> >>> with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the >>> moment (only locally, not yet on staging): >>> >>> Title: >>> "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" >>> >>> Text: >>> "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. >>> However, >>> this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). >>> Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional >>> functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu >>> 'Tools - >>> Options - OpenOffice - Java'). >>> >>> For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the >>> link on >>> the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' >>> (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." >> Looks good, but *if* the URL is not clickable, I would leave it >> out... > > yes, it's in the mouse-over. So, I'll leave the link out. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 07.01.21 um 15:27 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 04.01.21 um 22:29 schrieb Marcus: Am 04.01.21 um 19:44 schrieb Dave Fisher: I think that the new link would look better if were directly below the buttons and not to the right. One reason is that on my window the link is too wide and “choose?” Is wrapped to below the buttons anyway. interesting. I'm working with a large resolution and big browser windows (mostly fullsize). So, problems are not always visible. As the text position is already in discussion it seems to be another good argument to place the text elsewhere. After choosing the favorite platform the users attention is still at the 3 buttons (platform, language, version). So it's the best to place the text directly below these buttons. To place it to the right of the 2 download buttons is in this second no longer in the users focus. Now it's "I want my download, now". ;-) @All: Let me play a bit with the download page. I'll come back with a suggestion. Meanwhile I did a small change to the Info Text: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/27dee325e964f29a3fa468a1e41d06e4b18bd87b Is it still needed that we are holding back the publishing of the site? I would like to have the Christmas logo reverted... ;-) ah yes, the logo. I have hoped to find also a hint text for Mac Users. But OK, we can add this later. I've now published the website. Marcus On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Marcus wrote: Am 04.01.21 um 16:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 04.01.21 um 12:35 schrieb Marcus: Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 Matthias Seidel wrote: Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: I've added a bit more magic: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we want to show the users. Suggestions? Thanks! That looks good! For Windows I would suggest as title: Additional notes for Windows! Text: At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional functionality. Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice /Java Maybe the wording can be enhanced... with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the moment (only locally, not yet on staging): Title: "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" Text: "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu 'Tools - Options - OpenOffice - Java'). For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." Looks good, but *if* the URL is not clickable, I would leave it out... yes, it's in the mouse-over. So, I'll leave the link out. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, Am 04.01.21 um 22:29 schrieb Marcus: > Am 04.01.21 um 19:44 schrieb Dave Fisher: >> I think that the new link would look better if were directly below >> the buttons and not to the right. >> >> One reason is that on my window the link is too wide and “choose?” Is >> wrapped to below the buttons anyway. > > interesting. I'm working with a large resolution and big browser > windows (mostly fullsize). So, problems are not always visible. > > As the text position is already in discussion it seems to be another > good argument to place the text elsewhere. > > After choosing the favorite platform the users attention is still at > the 3 buttons (platform, language, version). So it's the best to place > the text directly below these buttons. > > To place it to the right of the 2 download buttons is in this second > no longer in the users focus. Now it's "I want my download, now". ;-) > > @All: > Let me play a bit with the download page. I'll come back with a > suggestion. Meanwhile I did a small change to the Info Text: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/27dee325e964f29a3fa468a1e41d06e4b18bd87b Is it still needed that we are holding back the publishing of the site? I would like to have the Christmas logo reverted... ;-) Regards, Matthias > > Thanks > > Marcus > > > >>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Marcus wrote: >>> >>> Am 04.01.21 um 16:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi Marcus, Am 04.01.21 um 12:35 schrieb Marcus: > Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 >> Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: I've added a bit more magic: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we want to show the users. Suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks! That looks good! >>> >>> For Windows I would suggest as title: >>> >>> Additional notes for Windows! >>> >>> Text: >>> >>> At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. >>> However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit >>> (x86-64). >>> Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional >>> functionality. >> >> Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options >> /OpenOffice /Java >> >>> Maybe the wording can be enhanced... > > with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the > moment (only locally, not yet on staging): > > Title: > "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" > > Text: > "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, > this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). > Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional > functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu > 'Tools - > Options - OpenOffice - Java'). > > For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on > the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' > (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." Looks good, but *if* the URL is not clickable, I would leave it out... >>> >>> yes, it's in the mouse-over. So, I'll leave the link out. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 04.01.21 um 19:44 schrieb Dave Fisher: I think that the new link would look better if were directly below the buttons and not to the right. One reason is that on my window the link is too wide and “choose?” Is wrapped to below the buttons anyway. interesting. I'm working with a large resolution and big browser windows (mostly fullsize). So, problems are not always visible. As the text position is already in discussion it seems to be another good argument to place the text elsewhere. After choosing the favorite platform the users attention is still at the 3 buttons (platform, language, version). So it's the best to place the text directly below these buttons. To place it to the right of the 2 download buttons is in this second no longer in the users focus. Now it's "I want my download, now". ;-) @All: Let me play a bit with the download page. I'll come back with a suggestion. Thanks Marcus On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Marcus wrote: Am 04.01.21 um 16:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi Marcus, Am 04.01.21 um 12:35 schrieb Marcus: Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 Matthias Seidel wrote: Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: I've added a bit more magic: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we want to show the users. Suggestions? Thanks! That looks good! For Windows I would suggest as title: Additional notes for Windows! Text: At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional functionality. Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice /Java Maybe the wording can be enhanced... with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the moment (only locally, not yet on staging): Title: "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" Text: "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu 'Tools - Options - OpenOffice - Java'). For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." Looks good, but *if* the URL is not clickable, I would leave it out... yes, it's in the mouse-over. So, I'll leave the link out. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, I think that the new link would look better if were directly below the buttons and not to the right. One reason is that on my window the link is too wide and “choose?” Is wrapped to below the buttons anyway. Regards, Dave > On Jan 4, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Marcus wrote: > > Am 04.01.21 um 16:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Hi Marcus, >> Am 04.01.21 um 12:35 schrieb Marcus: >>> Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 Matthias Seidel wrote: > Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: >> >> I've added a bit more magic: >> >> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html >> >> Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install >> files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. >> >> For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we >> want to show the users. >> >> Suggestions? > > Thanks! That looks good! > > For Windows I would suggest as title: > > Additional notes for Windows! > > Text: > > At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. > However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit > (x86-64). > Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional > functionality. Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice /Java > Maybe the wording can be enhanced... >>> >>> with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the >>> moment (only locally, not yet on staging): >>> >>> Title: >>> "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" >>> >>> Text: >>> "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, >>> this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). >>> Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional >>> functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu 'Tools - >>> Options - OpenOffice - Java'). >>> >>> For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on >>> the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' >>> (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." >> Looks good, but *if* the URL is not clickable, I would leave it out... > > yes, it's in the mouse-over. So, I'll leave the link out. > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, > I've updated the page a bit but don't know if I hit the typo you have > seen. Please have a look: > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/product/windows.html Thanks for updating the page and fixing the typo. Regards, Czesław - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 04.01.21 um 17:05 schrieb CzesXXaw WolaXXski: Just my 2¢ I have reread the post "Zusammenarbeit Programme von Apache OO-Base und Java-JRE" http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 A user was surprised to find out that (1) AOO hadn't not been installed in 64-bit folder and (2) that there is no easily accessible information on 32-bit/64-bit version. Earlier in this thread you wrote: "And after the change I expect users to ask, why they can't find a version for their 64-bit Windows." That makes me wonder if the title for Windows i.e. "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" will give a clue to issues (1) & (2) above. likely not as the Java topic is a consequence of the 32/64-bit question. Maybe this title is better: "32-bit, 64-bit and Java - What to choose?" I've now put the new strings on staging: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Next question: is the position and colour of the title adequate? Will an ordinary user ever spot it? Perhaps the colour could be a bit more discernible and the title be placed to the right of the "Download language pack" button? The optical presentation can be changed and for sure enhanced. But we will never know if the users are seeing this and find it helpful until we ask them - which is a bit difficult. ;-) And slightly off-topic: Using the search term "openoffice 32 bit" I landed on page "Apache OpenOffice for Windows" (not up to date, plus one typo). https://www.openoffice.org/product/windows.html There is a passage: "Please note: Apache OpenOffice is distributed as a 32-bit application. It will run successfully in 32-bit mode on 64-bit versions of Windows 7 and Windows 8. But in those cases a 32-bit JVM is required for some functionality. Details are here." I've updated the page a bit but don't know if I hit the typo you have seen. Please have a look: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/product/windows.html Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 04.01.21 um 16:13 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi Marcus, Am 04.01.21 um 12:35 schrieb Marcus: Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 Matthias Seidel wrote: Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: I've added a bit more magic: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we want to show the users. Suggestions? Thanks! That looks good! For Windows I would suggest as title: Additional notes for Windows! Text: At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional functionality. Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice /Java Maybe the wording can be enhanced... with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the moment (only locally, not yet on staging): Title: "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" Text: "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu 'Tools - Options - OpenOffice - Java'). For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." Looks good, but *if* the URL is not clickable, I would leave it out... yes, it's in the mouse-over. So, I'll leave the link out. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Matthias, Just my 2¢ I have reread the post "Zusammenarbeit Programme von Apache OO-Base und Java-JRE" http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 A user was surprised to find out that (1) AOO hadn't not been installed in 64-bit folder and (2) that there is no easily accessible information on 32-bit/64-bit version. Earlier in this thread you wrote: "And after the change I expect users to ask, why they can't find a version for their 64-bit Windows." That makes me wonder if the title for Windows i.e. "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" will give a clue to issues (1) & (2) above. Next question: is the position and colour of the title adequate? Will an ordinary user ever spot it? Perhaps the colour could be a bit more discernible and the title be placed to the right of the "Download language pack" button? And slightly off-topic: Using the search term "openoffice 32 bit" I landed on page "Apache OpenOffice for Windows" (not up to date, plus one typo). https://www.openoffice.org/product/windows.html There is a passage: "Please note: Apache OpenOffice is distributed as a 32-bit application. It will run successfully in 32-bit mode on 64-bit versions of Windows 7 and Windows 8. But in those cases a 32-bit JVM is required for some functionality. Details are here." Regards, Czesław - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, Am 04.01.21 um 12:35 schrieb Marcus: > Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 >> Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: I've added a bit more magic: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we want to show the users. Suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks! That looks good! >>> >>> For Windows I would suggest as title: >>> >>> Additional notes for Windows! >>> >>> Text: >>> >>> At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. >>> However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit >>> (x86-64). >>> Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional >>> functionality. >> >> Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options >> /OpenOffice /Java >> >>> Maybe the wording can be enhanced... > > with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the > moment (only locally, not yet on staging): > > Title: > "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" > > Text: > "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, > this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). > Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional > functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu 'Tools - > Options - OpenOffice - Java'). > > For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on > the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' > (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." Looks good, but *if* the URL is not clickable, I would leave it out... Regards, Matthias > > Thanks > > Marcus > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Proposed change for download page
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:35:07 +0100 Marcus wrote: > Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > > On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 > > Matthias Seidel wrote: > >> Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: > >>> > >>> I've added a bit more magic: > >>> > >>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html > >>> > >>> Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install > >>> files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. > >>> > >>> For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we > >>> want to show the users. > >>> > >>> Suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks! That looks good! > >> > >> For Windows I would suggest as title: > >> > >> Additional notes for Windows! > >> > >> Text: > >> > >> At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. > >> However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). > >> Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional functionality. > > > > Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options > > /OpenOffice /Java > > > >> Maybe the wording can be enhanced... > > with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the > moment (only locally, not yet on staging): > > Title: > "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" > > Text: > "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, > this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). > Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional > functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu 'Tools - > Options - OpenOffice - Java'). > > For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on > the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' > (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." Excellent! (if anyone reads it! Nobody sees to look for or read instructions in the modern world.) Rory > Thanks > > Marcus > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 03.01.21 um 21:28 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 Matthias Seidel wrote: Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: I've added a bit more magic: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we want to show the users. Suggestions? Thanks! That looks good! For Windows I would suggest as title: Additional notes for Windows! Text: At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional functionality. Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice /Java Maybe the wording can be enhanced... with some ideas and line breaks from me I've the following for the moment (only locally, not yet on staging): Title: "OpenOffice and Java - What to do?" Text: "At the moment there is a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need Java in 32-bit for additional functionality which must then be selected once only (see menu 'Tools - Options - OpenOffice - Java'). For more information about OpenOffice and Java please see the link on the right 'Java and Apache OpenOffice' (https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html)." Thanks Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 21:24:06 +0100 Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Marcus, > > Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: > > > > I've added a bit more magic: > > > > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html > > > > Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install > > files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. > > > > For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we > > want to show the users. > > > > Suggestions? > > Thanks! That looks good! > > For Windows I would suggest as title: > > Additional notes for Windows! > > Text: > > At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. > However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). > Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional functionality. Add: which must then be selected (one time only) in /Tools /Options /OpenOffice /Java Rory > > Maybe the wording can be enhanced... > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > > > Thanks to all for helping. > > > > Marcus > > > -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, Am 03.01.21 um 20:07 schrieb Marcus: > > I've added a bit more magic: > > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html > > Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install > files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. > > For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we > want to show the users. > > Suggestions? Thanks! That looks good! For Windows I would suggest as title: Additional notes for Windows! Text: At the moment we only offer a 32-bit (x86) version for Windows. However, this version installs and runs also on Windows 64-bit (x86-64). Please note that you may need JAVA in 32-bit for additional functionality. Maybe the wording can be enhanced... Regards, Matthias > > Thanks to all for helping. > > Marcus > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 31.12.20 um 11:50 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 31.12.20 um 11:41 schrieb Marcus: Am 31.12.20 um 01:01 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 31.12.20 um 00:46 schrieb Marcus: As I haven't seen any veto-like negative statement the change is now online. However, any changes are still possible. I would propose that we add some additional text for Windows and macOS. It could be done similar to Linux (DEB vs. RPM). Maybe we could make the color a bit more visible? This would allow us to tell people that the Windows 32-bit version is also suitable for Windows 64-bit and that the macOS version >= 10.7 also runs with macOS Big Sur on Apple M1 chips. yes, that was also my idea. And the reason for my question via PM. ;-) But of course we can also extended this trick to the Mac users. As we see, a lot of users don't know about Rosetta 2. And until we have a "Universal Binary" we should give them a hint. Unfortunatelly, we need to add (and translate) these new strings to every download page. Yes, I would proceed like we did it with the Linux notes: Add the strings (in English) to every download page and let the translation teams translate. This is much easier now with Git(Hub). If a language is unmaintained, the strings will remain in English until someone volunteers to translate them. I've added a bit more magic: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Now we can show a different text when Windows, Mac or Linux install files are selected. It's a short title with more text as mouse-over. For Linux it's known. However, for Windows and Mac we need the info we want to show the users. Suggestions? Thanks to all for helping. Marcus Am 30.12.20 um 00:18 schrieb Marcus: Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański wrote: I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html Page with sections: - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" - "Where Can I Get Java?". Is that a good starting point? I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. +1 For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and JavaScript magic needs to be extended. Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is a good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will run also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. Marcus Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher : On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 Peter Kovacs wrote: On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. +1 Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop using AOO? That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a small correction on the download page. The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 You should have started your discussion with this context. It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a minor fix to the download page. Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and X64?! I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? What advice does the en-Forum offer? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: d
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, Am 31.12.20 um 11:41 schrieb Marcus: > Am 31.12.20 um 01:01 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Am 31.12.20 um 00:46 schrieb Marcus: >>> As I haven't seen any veto-like negative statement the change is now >>> online. >>> >>> However, any changes are still possible. >> >> I would propose that we add some additional text for Windows and macOS. >> It could be done similar to Linux (DEB vs. RPM). Maybe we could make the >> color a bit more visible? >> >> This would allow us to tell people that the Windows 32-bit version is >> also suitable for Windows 64-bit and that the macOS version >= 10.7 also >> runs with macOS Big Sur on Apple M1 chips. > > yes, that was also my idea. And the reason for my question via PM. ;-) > But of course we can also extended this trick to the Mac users. As we see, a lot of users don't know about Rosetta 2. And until we have a "Universal Binary" we should give them a hint. > > Unfortunatelly, we need to add (and translate) these new strings to > every download page. Yes, I would proceed like we did it with the Linux notes: Add the strings (in English) to every download page and let the translation teams translate. This is much easier now with Git(Hub). If a language is unmaintained, the strings will remain in English until someone volunteers to translate them. Matthias > > Marcus > > > >>> Am 30.12.20 um 00:18 schrieb Marcus: >>>> Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure >>>>>>> what >>>>>> that is. >>>>>>> Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, >>>>>>> and Linux >>>>>> users >>>>>>> to acceptable versions. >>>>>>> Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the >>>>>>> Download page? >>>>>> >>>>>> Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Page with sections: >>>>>> - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", >>>>>> - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" >>>>>> - "Where Can I Get Java?". >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that a good starting point? >>>>> >>>>> I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to >>>>> discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>>> For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp >>>>> <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> >>>>> >>>>> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: >>>>> https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html >>>>> <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> >>>>> >>>>> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that >>>>> might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. >>>> >>>> Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and >>>> JavaScript magic needs to be extended. >>>> >>>> Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is >>>> a good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. >>>> >>>> I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will >>>> run also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher >>>>>> : >>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 >>>>>>>> Peter Kovacs wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 31.12.20 um 01:01 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 31.12.20 um 00:46 schrieb Marcus: As I haven't seen any veto-like negative statement the change is now online. However, any changes are still possible. I would propose that we add some additional text for Windows and macOS. It could be done similar to Linux (DEB vs. RPM). Maybe we could make the color a bit more visible? This would allow us to tell people that the Windows 32-bit version is also suitable for Windows 64-bit and that the macOS version >= 10.7 also runs with macOS Big Sur on Apple M1 chips. yes, that was also my idea. And the reason for my question via PM. ;-) But of course we can also extended this trick to the Mac users. Unfortunatelly, we need to add (and translate) these new strings to every download page. Marcus Am 30.12.20 um 00:18 schrieb Marcus: Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański wrote: I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html Page with sections: - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" - "Where Can I Get Java?". Is that a good starting point? I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. +1 For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and JavaScript magic needs to be extended. Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is a good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will run also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. Marcus Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher : On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 Peter Kovacs wrote: On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. +1 Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop using AOO? That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a small correction on the download page. The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 You should have started your discussion with this context. It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a minor fix to the download page. Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and X64?! I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? What advice does the en-Forum offer? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Dave, Am 31.12.20 um 01:28 schrieb Dave Fisher: > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 30, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Matthias Seidel >> wrote: >> >> Hi Marcus, >> >>> Am 31.12.20 um 00:46 schrieb Marcus: >>> As I haven't seen any veto-like negative statement the change is now >>> online. >>> >>> However, any changes are still possible. >> I would propose that we add some additional text for Windows and macOS. >> It could be done similar to Linux (DEB vs. RPM). Maybe we could make the >> color a bit more visible? >> >> This would allow us to tell people that the Windows 32-bit version is >> also suitable for Windows 64-bit and that the macOS version >= 10.7 also >> runs with macOS Big Sur on Apple M1 chips. > As discussed elsewhere we should revisit > https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html Yes, that page needs some updates... But that's something different than I proposed. > > I’ll take a look next year. Thanks! I will also be "offline" for the next two days, see you in 2021! ;-) Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Dave > > >> Matthias >> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> >>>> Am 30.12.20 um 00:18 schrieb Marcus: >>>> Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure >>>>>>> what >>>>>> that is. >>>>>>> Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, >>>>>>> and Linux >>>>>> users >>>>>>> to acceptable versions. >>>>>>> Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the >>>>>>> Download page? >>>>>> Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Page with sections: >>>>>> - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", >>>>>> - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" >>>>>> - "Where Can I Get Java?". >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that a good starting point? >>>>> I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to >>>>> discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. >>>> +1 >>>> >>>>> For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp >>>>> <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> >>>>> >>>>> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: >>>>> https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html >>>>> <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> >>>>> >>>>> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that >>>>> might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. >>>> Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and >>>> JavaScript magic needs to be extended. >>>> >>>> Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is >>>> a good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. >>>> >>>> I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will >>>> run also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher >>>>>> : >>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 >>>>>>>> Peter Kovacs wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Proposed
Re: Proposed change for download page
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Matthias Seidel > wrote: > > Hi Marcus, > >> Am 31.12.20 um 00:46 schrieb Marcus: >> As I haven't seen any veto-like negative statement the change is now >> online. >> >> However, any changes are still possible. > > I would propose that we add some additional text for Windows and macOS. > It could be done similar to Linux (DEB vs. RPM). Maybe we could make the > color a bit more visible? > > This would allow us to tell people that the Windows 32-bit version is > also suitable for Windows 64-bit and that the macOS version >= 10.7 also > runs with macOS Big Sur on Apple M1 chips. As discussed elsewhere we should revisit https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html I’ll take a look next year. Regards, Dave > > Matthias > >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >>> Am 30.12.20 um 00:18 schrieb Marcus: >>> Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: >>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure >>>>>> what >>>>> that is. >>>>>> Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, >>>>>> and Linux >>>>> users >>>>>> to acceptable versions. >>>>>> Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the >>>>>> Download page? >>>>> >>>>> Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" >>>>> >>>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html >>>>> >>>>> Page with sections: >>>>> - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", >>>>> - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" >>>>> - "Where Can I Get Java?". >>>>> >>>>> Is that a good starting point? >>>> >>>> I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to >>>> discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. >>> >>> +1 >>> >>>> For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp >>>> <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> >>>> >>>> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: >>>> https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html >>>> <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> >>>> >>>> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that >>>> might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. >>> >>> Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and >>> JavaScript magic needs to be extended. >>> >>> Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is >>> a good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. >>> >>> I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will >>> run also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher >>>>> : >>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 >>>>>>> Peter Kovacs wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 >>>>>>>>>>>> version. >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>> Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore >>>>>> stop using AOO? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to >>>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>>> a small correction on the download page. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: >>>>>>>>>> http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 >>>>>>>>> You should have started your discussion with this context. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that >>>>>>>>> Windows users >>>>>> of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to >>>>>> suggest a >>>>>> minor fix to the download page. >>>>>>>> Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! >>>>>> >>>>>> Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and >>>>>> X64?! >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure >>>>>> what >>>>>> that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, >>>>>> macOS, >>>>>> and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page >>>>>> we can >>>>>> better highlight from the Download page? >>>>>> >>>>>> What advice does the en-Forum offer? >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, Am 31.12.20 um 00:46 schrieb Marcus: > As I haven't seen any veto-like negative statement the change is now > online. > > However, any changes are still possible. I would propose that we add some additional text for Windows and macOS. It could be done similar to Linux (DEB vs. RPM). Maybe we could make the color a bit more visible? This would allow us to tell people that the Windows 32-bit version is also suitable for Windows 64-bit and that the macOS version >= 10.7 also runs with macOS Big Sur on Apple M1 chips. Matthias > > Marcus > > > > Am 30.12.20 um 00:18 schrieb Marcus: >> Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: >>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure >>>>> what >>>> that is. >>>>> Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, >>>>> and Linux >>>> users >>>>> to acceptable versions. >>>>> Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the >>>>> Download page? >>>> >>>> Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" >>>> >>>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html >>>> >>>> Page with sections: >>>> - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", >>>> - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" >>>> - "Where Can I Get Java?". >>>> >>>> Is that a good starting point? >>> >>> I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to >>> discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. >> >> +1 >> >>> For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp >>> <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> >>> >>> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: >>> https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html >>> <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> >>> >>> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that >>> might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. >> >> Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and >> JavaScript magic needs to be extended. >> >> Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is >> a good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. >> >> I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will >> run also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >>>> Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher >>>> : >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 >>>>>> Peter Kovacs wrote: >>>>>>>> On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>>>>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 >>>>>>>>>>> version. >>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>> Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore >>>>> stop using AOO? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to >>>>>>>>> suggest >>>>> a small correction on the download page. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: >>>>>>>>> http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 >>>>>>>> You should have started your discussion with this context. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that >>>>>>>> Windows users >>>>> of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to >>>>> suggest a >>>>> minor fix to the download page. >>>>>>> Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! >>>>> >>>>> Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and >>>>> X64?! >>>>> >>>>> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure >>>>> what >>>>> that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, >>>>> macOS, >>>>> and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page >>>>> we can >>>>> better highlight from the Download page? >>>>> >>>>> What advice does the en-Forum offer? > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Proposed change for download page
As I haven't seen any veto-like negative statement the change is now online. However, any changes are still possible. Marcus Am 30.12.20 um 00:18 schrieb Marcus: Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański wrote: I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html Page with sections: - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" - "Where Can I Get Java?". Is that a good starting point? I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. +1 For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and JavaScript magic needs to be extended. Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is a good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will run also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. Marcus Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher : On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 Peter Kovacs wrote: On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. +1 Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop using AOO? That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a small correction on the download page. The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 You should have started your discussion with this context. It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a minor fix to the download page. Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and X64?! I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? What advice does the en-Forum offer? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Proposed change for download page
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org] > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 7:02 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > >>> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that > Windows users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit > Java than it is to suggest a minor fix to the download page. > >> Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. > > > > Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! > > Does your average Windows user know the difference between > X86 and X64?! I don't think so, which is why Marcus explicitly has "32 bit" in the draft change. see: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html Have you overlooked that? Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Proposed change for download page
> -Original Message- > From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 6:52 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > >> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows > >> users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java > than it is to > >> suggest a minor fix to the download page. > > Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. > > Users don't read Release Notes. ;-) > > And after the change I expect users to ask, why they can't find a > version for their 64-bit Windows... > You cannot do it right! And you might be right about that. But that should not prevent us from providing the right information. Or do we want to prove the opinion right (which came up in the forum(*)) that we want to hide not having a 64 bit version? (*) Quote: "Ich war beim Aufsuchen der Seiten genauso irritiert. Da war nirgendwo eine klare Information zu finden. Vielleicht wird das ja als Makel gesehen, wenn es "nur" eine 32-bit-Version ist" see: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293095#p293095 Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Cual seria mejor opción para seguir El mar., 29 de diciembre de 2020 17:18, Marcus escribió: > Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: > >> On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański < > czeslaw.wolan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what > >> that is. > >>> Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and > Linux > >> users > >>> to acceptable versions. > >>> Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download > page? > >> > >> Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" > >> > >> https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html > >> > >> Page with sections: > >> - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", > >> - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" > >> - "Where Can I Get Java?". > >> > >> Is that a good starting point? > > > > I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to discuss > legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. > > +1 > > > For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp < > https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> > > > > And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: > https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html < > https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> > > > > It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that might > pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. > > Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and > JavaScript magic needs to be extended. > > Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is a > good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. > > I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will run > also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. > > Marcus > > > > >> Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher >: > >>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > >>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 > >>>> Peter Kovacs wrote: > >>>>>> On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: > >>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Original Message- > >>>>>>>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM > >>>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 > version. > >>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>> Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore > >>> stop using AOO? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to > suggest > >>> a small correction on the download page. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: > >>>>>>> http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 > >>>>>> You should have started your discussion with this context. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows > users > >>> of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to > suggest a > >>> minor fix to the download page. > >>>>> Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. > >>>> > >>>> Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! > >>> > >>> Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and > X64?! > >>> > >>> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what > >>> that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, > macOS, > >>> and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we > can > >>> better highlight from the Download page? > >>> > >>> What advice does the en-Forum offer? > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 29.12.20 um 20:05 schrieb Dave Fisher: On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański wrote: I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html Page with sections: - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" - "Where Can I Get Java?". Is that a good starting point? I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. +1 For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. Even this is possible. But it takes time as the download style and JavaScript magic needs to be extended. Until then the simple "Windows 32-bit (x86) (EXE)" drop-down-item is a good and clear statement to separate from 64-bit. I can also add a 64-bit item with a hint text that AOO 32-bit will run also on Windows 64-bit and I can also add a Java hint. Marcus Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher : On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 Peter Kovacs wrote: On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. +1 Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop using AOO? That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a small correction on the download page. The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 You should have started your discussion with this context. It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a minor fix to the download page. Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and X64?! I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? What advice does the en-Forum offer? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:47 AM, Czesław Wolański > wrote: > > Hi Dave, > >> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what > that is. >> Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux > users >> to acceptable versions. >> Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? > > Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" > > https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html > > Page with sections: > - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", > - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" > - "Where Can I Get Java?". > > Is that a good starting point? I think so. That page could use a major edit. We don’t need to discuss legacy releases and the links need to be more direct. For Oracle looks best: https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp <https://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp> And instead of OpenJDK we should point to AdoptOpenJDK: https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html <https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html> It looks like we could even add a button to the download page that might pick out the proper adoptopenjdk. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > Czesław > > > > > > Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher : > >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 >>> Peter Kovacs wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM >>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. >>>>>>> +1 >>>>>> Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore >> stop using AOO? >>>>>> >>>>>> That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest >> a small correction on the download page. >>>>>> >>>>>> The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: >>>>>> http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 >>>>> You should have started your discussion with this context. >>>>> >>>>> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users >> of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a >> minor fix to the download page. >>>> Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. >>> >>> Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! >> >> Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and X64?! >> >> I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what >> that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, >> and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can >> better highlight from the Download page? >> >> What advice does the en-Forum offer? >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jörg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html >>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rory O'Farrell >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >>
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Dave, > I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. > Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users > to acceptable versions. > Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? Link on the download page "Java and Apache OpenOffice" https://www.openoffice.org/download/common/java.html Page with sections: - "Why Do I Need Java to Use Apache OpenOffice?", - "Which Java Version Do I Need to Use Apache OpenOffice?" - "Where Can I Get Java?". Is that a good starting point? Regards, Czesław Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 19:02 Uhr schrieb Dave Fisher : > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 > > Peter Kovacs wrote: > > > >> > >>> On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> -Original Message- > >>>>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM > >>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. > >>>>> +1 > >>>> Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore > stop using AOO? > >>>> > >>>> That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest > a small correction on the download page. > >>>> > >>>> The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: > >>>> http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 > >>> You should have started your discussion with this context. > >>> > >>> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users > of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a > minor fix to the download page. > >> Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. > > > > Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! > > Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and X64?! > > I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what > that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, > and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can > better highlight from the Download page? > > What advice does the en-Forum offer? > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > Rory > > > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Dave > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Jörg > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> > >> -- > >> This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > > > > > > -- > > Rory O'Farrell > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: Proposed change for download page
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 > Peter Kovacs wrote: > >> >>> On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM >>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. >>>>> +1 >>>> Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop >>>> using AOO? >>>> >>>> That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a >>>> small correction on the download page. >>>> >>>> The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: >>>> http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 >>> You should have started your discussion with this context. >>> >>> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users of >>> AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a >>> minor fix to the download page. >> Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. > > Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! Does your average Windows user know the difference between X86 and X64?! I suggest we offer something clearer and more direct. I’m not sure what that is. Perhaps we need a compatible java page to point Windows, macOS, and Linux users to acceptable versions. Maybe we have such a page we can better highlight from the Download page? What advice does the en-Forum offer? Regards, Dave > > Rory > >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Dave >>> >>>> >>>> Jörg >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> -- >> This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > -- > Rory O'Farrell > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Peter, Am 29.12.20 um 18:31 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > > On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM >>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page >>>> >>>> >>>>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. >>>> +1 >>> Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore >>> stop using AOO? >>> >>> That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to >>> suggest a small correction on the download page. >>> >>> The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: >>> http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 >> You should have started your discussion with this context. >> >> It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows >> users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to >> suggest a minor fix to the download page. > Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. Users don't read Release Notes. ;-) And after the change I expect users to ask, why they can't find a version for their 64-bit Windows... You cannot do it right! Regards, Matthias >> >> Thanks, >> Dave >> >>> >>> Jörg >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Proposed change for download page
On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:31:23 +0100 Peter Kovacs wrote: > > On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM > >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > >>> > >>> > >>>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. > >>> +1 > >> Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop > >> using AOO? > >> > >> That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a > >> small correction on the download page. > >> > >> The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: > >> http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 > > You should have started your discussion with this context. > > > > It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users of > > AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a > > minor fix to the download page. > Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. Which, experience on en-Forum indicates, no average user ever reads! Rory > > > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > >> > >> Jörg > >> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > -- > This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Proposed change for download page
> -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:wave4d...@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 6:25 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Cc: ooofo...@free.fr > Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt > wrote: > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > >> > >> > >>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. > >> +1 > > > > Don't you care if users can't find their way around and > therefore stop using AOO? > > > > That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me > to suggest a small correction on the download page. > > > > The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: > > http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 > > You should have started your discussion with this context. > It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that > Windows users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit > Java than it is to suggest a minor fix to the download page. That is exactly what I did. I wrote literally: "there was currently in the forum the case of a user who believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit." Actually unnecessary to explain this on a Developers(!) mailing list, but I did that too: "Thank you for giving me the opportunity to justify the labeling as x86. It is true that most users would not even notice if they were working with a 64 or 32 bit AOO, were it not for the question of Java. For exactly this reason the marking x86 is meaningful for the user because an omission does not lead to the fact that the user does not notice anything, but he gets real problems if he does not know that he must install the JRE in 32 bit." Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
On 29.12.20 18:25, Dave Fisher wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: -Original Message- From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. +1 Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop using AOO? That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a small correction on the download page. The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 You should have started your discussion with this context. It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a minor fix to the download page. Java 32 bit is part of the release notes. Thanks, Dave Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- This is the Way! http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page >> >> >>> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. >> +1 > > Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop using > AOO? > > That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a small > correction on the download page. > > The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: > http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 You should have started your discussion with this context. It is better to discuss the actual problem which is that Windows users of AOO don’t know that they require a 32 bit Java than it is to suggest a minor fix to the download page. Thanks, Dave > > > Jörg > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Proposed change for download page
> -Original Message- > From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 3:02 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > > > > Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. > +1 Don't you care if users can't find their way around and therefore stop using AOO? That was exactly the result of the thread that prompted me to suggest a small correction on the download page. The thread is unfortunately in German, but here is the link: http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?p=293070#p293070 Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Proposed change for download page
> -Original Message- > From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:31 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > >>>> > >>>>> Please note that the download page for every language needs > >>>>> to be changed. > >>>> > >>>> Is this just an info or does someone need to do > something additional? > >>> > >>> it's just an info for you that you cannot expect that - in this > >>> special case - this small fix is also done in minutes. > >>> > >>>> Hint: > >>>> i can usually edit the web page myself, just because i > don't know at > >>>> all what exactly i should change at which place in the > List boxes of > >>>> the download page, that's why i posted the problem here > on the list. > >>> > >>> That's OK and also the best way. The download webpage is > a set of many > >>> files and we use Javascript for the "magic". So, it's not > a fast fix > >>> somewhere in the HTML stuff. > >> > >> Since the page moved to GitHub, everyone can open a Pull > Request. This > >> is much easier now than it was with SVN. > > > > sure, but the difficulty to understand the download website is still > > the same. ;-) > > Jörg said he was able to update the page before... > > So he could easily do the work himself. J mmh... Actually I said exactly the opposite (or I think I said it), that I _can't_ do it. What I can do is edit 'normal' web pages of our website, but not special pages like the download site. (Sorry, the only reason to write the above is that my statement may have been really misleading. Communicating in English is very difficult for me and my English is more from DeepL than myself) Jörg Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, Am 28.12.20 um 17:27 schrieb Marcus: > Am 28.12.20 um 16:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Hi Marcus, >> >> Am 28.12.20 um 16:23 schrieb Marcus: >>> Am 28.12.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:00 PM >>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>>>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page >>>>> >>>>> Am 28.12.20 um 15:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >>>>>> there was currently in the forum the case of a user who >>>>> believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. >>>>>> The user points out that he got this impression because on >>>>> our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the >>>>> Windows version. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the >>>>> entry for Windows on >>>>> http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be >>>>> called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care >>>>> of it directly? >>>>> >>>>> no need for an issue. I'll take case of this small fix. >> >> Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. >> >> Unlike on other platforms, the Windows x86 version does run perfectly on >> 64-bit. >> And we already provide some code in 64-bit (Shell Extension) when it is >> installed on Windows x64. >> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>>> Please note that the download page for every language needs >>>>> to be changed. >>>> >>>> Is this just an info or does someone need to do something additional? >>> >>> it's just an info for you that you cannot expect that - in this >>> special case - this small fix is also done in minutes. >>> >>>> Hint: >>>> i can usually edit the web page myself, just because i don't know at >>>> all what exactly i should change at which place in the List boxes of >>>> the download page, that's why i posted the problem here on the list. >>> >>> That's OK and also the best way. The download webpage is a set of many >>> files and we use Javascript for the "magic". So, it's not a fast fix >>> somewhere in the HTML stuff. >> >> Since the page moved to GitHub, everyone can open a Pull Request. This >> is much easier now than it was with SVN. > > sure, but the difficulty to understand the download website is still > the same. ;-) Jörg said he was able to update the page before... So he could easily do the work himself. ;-) Matthias > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 28.12.20 um 16:58 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Hi Marcus, Am 28.12.20 um 16:23 schrieb Marcus: Am 28.12.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Hello, -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:00 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page Am 28.12.20 um 15:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: there was currently in the forum the case of a user who believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. The user points out that he got this impression because on our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the Windows version. I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the entry for Windows on http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care of it directly? no need for an issue. I'll take case of this small fix. Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. Unlike on other platforms, the Windows x86 version does run perfectly on 64-bit. And we already provide some code in 64-bit (Shell Extension) when it is installed on Windows x64. Thank you. Please note that the download page for every language needs to be changed. Is this just an info or does someone need to do something additional? it's just an info for you that you cannot expect that - in this special case - this small fix is also done in minutes. Hint: i can usually edit the web page myself, just because i don't know at all what exactly i should change at which place in the List boxes of the download page, that's why i posted the problem here on the list. That's OK and also the best way. The download webpage is a set of many files and we use Javascript for the "magic". So, it's not a fast fix somewhere in the HTML stuff. Since the page moved to GitHub, everyone can open a Pull Request. This is much easier now than it was with SVN. sure, but the difficulty to understand the download website is still the same. ;-) Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Proposed change for download page
> -Original Message- > From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:58 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > > Hi Marcus, > > Am 28.12.20 um 16:23 schrieb Marcus: > > Am 28.12.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >> Hello, > >> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > >>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:00 PM > >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > >>> > >>> Am 28.12.20 um 15:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > >>>> there was currently in the forum the case of a user who > >>> believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. > >>>> The user points out that he got this impression because on > >>> our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the > >>> Windows version. > >>>> > >>>> I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the > >>> entry for Windows on > >>> http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be > >>> called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care > >>> of it directly? > >>> > >>> no need for an issue. I'll take case of this small fix. > > Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. > > Unlike on other platforms, the Windows x86 version does run > perfectly on > 64-bit. > And we already provide some code in 64-bit (Shell Extension) > when it is > installed on Windows x64. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to justify the labeling as x86. It is true that most users would not even notice if they were working with a 64 or 32 bit AOO, were it not for the question of Java. For exactly this reason the marking x86 is meaningful for the user because an omission does not lead to the fact that the user does not notice anything, but he gets real problems if he does not know that he must install the JRE in 32 bit. Incidentally, the concealment that the Windows version is 32 bit also creates the impression that this could be intentional, to conceal a vacancy - exactly so the whole thing has already been commented in the forum. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Hi Marcus, Am 28.12.20 um 16:23 schrieb Marcus: > Am 28.12.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >> Hello, >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] >>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:00 PM >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org >>> Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page >>> >>> Am 28.12.20 um 15:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: >>>> there was currently in the forum the case of a user who >>> believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. >>>> The user points out that he got this impression because on >>> our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the >>> Windows version. >>>> >>>> I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the >>> entry for Windows on >>> http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be >>> called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". >>>> >>>> >>>> Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care >>> of it directly? >>> >>> no need for an issue. I'll take case of this small fix. Personally, I don't see the need until we have a real x64 version. Unlike on other platforms, the Windows x86 version does run perfectly on 64-bit. And we already provide some code in 64-bit (Shell Extension) when it is installed on Windows x64. >> Thank you. >> >>> Please note that the download page for every language needs >>> to be changed. >> >> Is this just an info or does someone need to do something additional? > > it's just an info for you that you cannot expect that - in this > special case - this small fix is also done in minutes. > >> Hint: >> i can usually edit the web page myself, just because i don't know at >> all what exactly i should change at which place in the List boxes of >> the download page, that's why i posted the problem here on the list. > > That's OK and also the best way. The download webpage is a set of many > files and we use Javascript for the "magic". So, it's not a fast fix > somewhere in the HTML stuff. Since the page moved to GitHub, everyone can open a Pull Request. This is much easier now than it was with SVN. Matthias > >>> May I suggest to combine this with the new upcoming release? >>> Then both >>> updates can be done together. >> >> +1 > > Thanks > > Marcus > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: Proposed change for download page
> -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:42 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > I've prepared the update: > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html > > If it's clearly enough, it will go out together with the new release. yes, for me this is fine Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 28.12.20 um 16:23 schrieb Marcus: Am 28.12.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:00 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page Am 28.12.20 um 15:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: there was currently in the forum the case of a user who believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. The user points out that he got this impression because on our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the Windows version. I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the entry for Windows on http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care of it directly? no need for an issue. I'll take case of this small fix. Thank you. Please note that the download page for every language needs to be changed. Is this just an info or does someone need to do something additional? it's just an info for you that you cannot expect that - in this special case - this small fix is also done in minutes. Hint: i can usually edit the web page myself, just because i don't know at all what exactly i should change at which place in the List boxes of the download page, that's why i posted the problem here on the list. That's OK and also the best way. The download webpage is a set of many files and we use Javascript for the "magic". So, it's not a fast fix somewhere in the HTML stuff. May I suggest to combine this with the new upcoming release? Then both updates can be done together. +1 I've prepared the update: https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/download/index.html If it's clearly enough, it will go out together with the new release. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 28.12.20 um 16:39 schrieb Jim Jagielski: https://www.openoffice.org/download/ also refers to OS X <=10.6 versions, which we do not provide. That should be removed as well, IMO. when you select this item, then you get a hint what you can do instead. IMHO we have agreed in the past that this is helpful for the users. Marcus On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: there was currently in the forum the case of a user who believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. The user points out that he got this impression because on our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the Windows version. I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the entry for Windows on http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care of it directly? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
https://www.openoffice.org/download/ also refers to OS X <=10.6 versions, which we do not provide. That should be removed as well, IMO. > On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: > > Hello, > > there was currently in the forum the case of a user who believed AOO was also > available for Windows as 64Bit. > The user points out that he got this impression because on our download page > the Linux versions are marked, but not the Windows version. > > I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the entry for Windows on > http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be called "Windows > (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". > > > Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care of it directly? > > > > greetings, > Jörg > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 28.12.20 um 16:09 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: Hello, -Original Message- From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:00 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page Am 28.12.20 um 15:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: there was currently in the forum the case of a user who believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. The user points out that he got this impression because on our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the Windows version. I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the entry for Windows on http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care of it directly? no need for an issue. I'll take case of this small fix. Thank you. Please note that the download page for every language needs to be changed. Is this just an info or does someone need to do something additional? it's just an info for you that you cannot expect that - in this special case - this small fix is also done in minutes. Hint: i can usually edit the web page myself, just because i don't know at all what exactly i should change at which place in the List boxes of the download page, that's why i posted the problem here on the list. That's OK and also the best way. The download webpage is a set of many files and we use Javascript for the "magic". So, it's not a fast fix somewhere in the HTML stuff. May I suggest to combine this with the new upcoming release? Then both updates can be done together. +1 Thanks Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
RE: Proposed change for download page
Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de] > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:00 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Proposed change for download page > > Am 28.12.20 um 15:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: > > there was currently in the forum the case of a user who > believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. > > The user points out that he got this impression because on > our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the > Windows version. > > > > I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the > entry for Windows on > http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be > called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". > > > > > > Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care > of it directly? > > no need for an issue. I'll take case of this small fix. Thank you. > Please note that the download page for every language needs > to be changed. Is this just an info or does someone need to do something additional? Hint: i can usually edit the web page myself, just because i don't know at all what exactly i should change at which place in the List boxes of the download page, that's why i posted the problem here on the list. > May I suggest to combine this with the new upcoming release? > Then both > updates can be done together. +1 Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Proposed change for download page
Am 28.12.20 um 15:48 schrieb Jörg Schmidt: there was currently in the forum the case of a user who believed AOO was also available for Windows as 64Bit. The user points out that he got this impression because on our download page the Linux versions are marked, but not the Windows version. I would therefore like to suggest that in the future the entry for Windows on http://www.de.openoffice.org/download/index.html should be called "Windows (x86) (EXE)" instead of "Windows (EXE)". Should I write an issue for this, or will someone take care of it directly? no need for an issue. I'll take case of this small fix. Please note that the download page for every language needs to be changed. May I suggest to combine this with the new upcoming release? Then both updates can be done together. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
