Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/24/2014 01:39 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Even if we can do it on the mirrors, we have no way to 'recall' a package from systems where it's already been installed (of course in the current case that wouldn't have worked anyway, but we're discussing the generic case

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/24/2014 04:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 24.01.2014 15:55, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 01/24/2014 01:39 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Even if we can do it on the mirrors, we have no way to 'recall' a package from systems where it's already been installed (of course

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/24/2014 04:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 24.01.2014 16:40, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 01/24/2014 04:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: a) This would blow away all installed packages, which aren't available in permanently enabled repos that is not true, try it out Been there many times

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-23 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/24/2014 07:35 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: yeah , so revoke an update could be a better idea. How would that work? We don't control the mirrors. Fedora controls advertising mirrors (mirrorlists) through mirrormanager. I.e.

Re: Request Tracker v.4

2013-12-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/18/2013 06:18 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On mið 18.des 2013 16:48, Przemek Klosowski wrote: I haven't seen anything related to Request Tracker v.4 on Fedora sites. bestpractical.com claims it's a major update with lots of bug fixes and improvements:

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-12-12 17:00 UTC)

2013-12-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/11/2013 06:09 PM, James Antill wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2013-12-12 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Due to other obligations, I'll likely not be able to attend. Ralf -- devel mailing list

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/10/2013 04:35 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: drago01 wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at -Werror=format-security removes the functionality of building format strings at

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/05/2013 07:43 PM, Jan Lieskovsky wrote: From: Ralf Corsepius Would you mind to explain why you guys are putting such an emphasize on -Wformat-security? Some possible ways how to look at it: * because when all reported packages are patched, it would remove one whole class

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/06/2013 10:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.12.2013 10:37, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: IMO, -Wformat-security is almost negibile in comparison to these and you are making way too much noise about it than it deserves. http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=format+string [*] Yeah

Re: ABRT in the comps group 'standard'

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/06/2013 09:56 AM, Jakub Filak wrote: Hello, I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'. The package pulls core ABRT functionality for catching C/C++ crashes, uncaught Python exceptions, Kernel oopses and VMCore

Re: ABRT in the comps group 'standard'

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/06/2013 01:59 PM, Václav Pavlín wrote: So try to look at it from broader perspective - I see more benefits in having abrt installed. Such as confidential business information being forwarded to RedHat and being snooped by the NSA to forward it to your enterprise's competitor? You

Re: ABRT in the comps group 'standard'

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/06/2013 02:14 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: On 12/06/2013 02:10 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/06/2013 12:14 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/06/2013 09:56 AM, Jakub Filak wrote: Hello, I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'. The package pulls core ABRT

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/06/2013 02:07 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 12/05/2013 08:27 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: The vast majority of those warnings are actually false positives, not actual security issues. Putting my upstream hat on, if asked to fix such a false positive, I'd do one of: (a) close the bug as

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/06/2013 02:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.12.2013 14:08, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 12/06/2013 10:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.12.2013 10:37, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: IMO, -Wformat-security is almost negibile in comparison to these and you are making way too much noise about

Re: ABRT in the comps group 'standard'

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/06/2013 02:45 PM, Michal Toman wrote: On 06.12.2013 14:34, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/06/2013 02:14 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: ABRT does not send *any* information unless you agree to do it. Not even the anonymous reports. It is true that the settings could be in Anaconda and I think

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/06/2013 12:26 PM, Dhiru Kholia wrote: On 12/06/13 at 11:57am, Reindl Harald wrote: but what is the plan if this does not work out for a unknown number of packages because upstream is not willing or able to fix it or only in a later release giving that the package is not buildable at all

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/07/2013 03:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 06.12.2013 15:59, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 12/06/2013 02:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: if arbitary users are allowed to call CLI applications from a webserver ?!? Calling cli-tools underneath of webservices is the norm on many webservers

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/05/2013 10:26 AM, Björn Persson wrote: Brendan Jones wrote: Patching is not a problem. Unnecessary is the question. Explain to me (not you in particular Rahul) how these printf's can possibly be exploited? I believe to be able to prove GCC is producing bogus warnings: Cf.

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/05/2013 02:15 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: On 12/05/2013 11:00 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/05/2013 10:26 AM, Björn Persson wrote: Brendan Jones wrote: Patching is not a problem. Unnecessary is the question. Explain to me (not you in particular Rahul) how these printf's can possibly

Re: FTBFS if -Werror=format-security flag is used

2013-12-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/05/2013 06:38 PM, Michael scherer wrote: On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 08:25:54PM -0600, mrnuke wrote: On 12/04/2013 12:10 PM, Brendan Jones wrote: This is just a pain. Can someone explain to me why this is good? Good or not, this is not the right question to ask. * Is this necessarry,

Re: Best practice for multiple version/OS boot?

2013-11-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/25/2013 07:58 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 06:33 +, Tim Landscheidt wrote: More contested seems to be the multi-boot setup. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872826 has a myriad of opinions on how it should be set up;

Re: Packaging changes for libev in Rawhide

2013-11-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/19/2013 02:01 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 13:36 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:30:46 +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote: 1. we install the header files in /usr/include/libev/ whereas upstream installs them in /usr/include/ That's a common

Re: BuildRequires: redhat-rpm-config

2013-11-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/14/2013 06:13 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 11/14/2013 05:45 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 08:56 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: - Is this a bug in redhat-rpm-config/Python/RPM/Fedora? Yes. People hit this _constantly_ in a lot of ways. Like why am I not getting

Re: Workstation PRD summary and next steps

2013-11-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/09/2013 01:14 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sat, 2013-11-09 at 01:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Christian Schaller wrote: The next update of the PRD will be posted to the fedora-desktop list as that is the designated 'home' of the working group and product and we want to avoid cluttering

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/07/2013 02:41 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 20:52, Adam Jackson a écrit : Don't throw your hands up in resignation. Write code. Fix problems. Isn't that exactly what this proposal does? People claim packaging process is broken and needs to be replaced. Who? I'd

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/04/2013 10:45 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: That's fine. The apps would ship directly from upstream, not from Fedora :) I realize Fedora throwing overboard it basic working principles (open source) and trying to implement the working principles which for decades have been responsible for

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/04/2013 03:39 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: On Sat, 2013-11-02 at 21:29 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: Fedora mustn't have third-party repositories like RPM Fusion enabled by default. Users must consciously configure them. Therefore Fedora mustn't download Cisco's binaries by default. It will have

Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime ?

2013-11-01 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/01/2013 04:58 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 04:19 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Having as the only GUI package management application on your spin one that does not even offer all packages is very broken. It isn't a *package* management application. It's an *application*

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

2013-10-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/30/2013 01:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 30.10.2013 13:00, schrieb Alec Leamas: On 2013-10-30 12:25, Reindl Harald wrote: No, it should not. However, the right decision is in many cases a trade-off between security and usabilty, not always with a single answer. Allowing users to

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

2013-10-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/30/2013 03:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 30.10.2013 15:29, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 10/30/2013 01:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Besides that, what and where users put things underneath of $HOME is not a distro's busness and so it is not a distro's business to add something to $PATH

Re: $HOME/.local/bin in $PATH

2013-10-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/29/2013 08:07 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 10/28/2013 09:05 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:28:01AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: * Tue Jun 07 2011 Roman Rakus … - 4.2.10-3 - Added $HOME/.local/bin to PATH in .bash_profile (#699812) An invisible directory in everyone's

Re: communications and community [was Re: Lack of response about sponsorship]

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/25/2013 04:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 04:02:23PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: The people who've pointed out the confusion about which list to choose when haven't drunk away their memory and could join here, but that will be fruitless if an instance such as

Re: communications and community [was Re: Lack of response about sponsorship]

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/26/2013 02:14 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 02:11 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: Adam says that devel is relevant to *developers* (or rather, packagers). Yet there is the packaging list, too. Quote from Oct 16th: I don't know whether this belongs to the packaging or

Re: communications and community [was Re: Lack of response about sponsorship]

2013-10-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/25/2013 11:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 17:41 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: I'd love to hear better suggestions the main problem seems to be it's so busy no one goes there anymore. There is a rather obvious gaping logical flaw in that one ;) Not quite.

Re: Lack of response about sponsorship

2013-10-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/24/2013 07:01 AM, Christopher Meng wrote: Errr... I just hope if a packager is also its upstream, we can sponsor him quickly as well. Why should we? I don't see why this should be of any relevance. Somebody being involved into upstream only is an indication for somebody being familiar

Re: --Wl, -z, relro in LDFLAGS required?/Inconsistency when not using %configure

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/22/2013 10:26 AM, Ville Skyttä wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 04:01:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: We already have one, it's called %{__global_ldflags}. You are indeed supposed to set LDFLAGS of handwritten makefiles

Re: Canonical copy of config.guess/config.sub

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/22/2013 04:48 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: 2013/10/22 Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com: What's the canonical system-wide copy of the config.guess file? I have: I'm copying them from libtool. Why? config.sub/config.guess originate from an upstream of their own (The config project):

Re: communications and community [was Re: Lack of response about sponsorship]

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/21/2013 06:08 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:52:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: A few years ago we've been much better at talking about things and coming to a conclusion. Nowadays I have the feeling the community is fragmented too much. With some people avoiding

Re: communications and community [was Re: Lack of response about sponsorship]

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/21/2013 07:48 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:07:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: As a first step, I suggest clearing up the intended usage of devel list. There's too much traffic on that list. 792 messages so far in October. This is way down from the peak 5-7 years

Re: Alternative to Debian origins?

2013-10-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/15/2013 03:19 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: In Debian distributions exist file: /etc/dpkg/origins/default which is symlink to /etc/dpkg/origins/debian with content: Vendor: Debian Vendor-URL: http://www.debian.org/ Bugs: debbugs://bugs.debian.org Do we have some alternative to this

Re: Alternative to Debian origins?

2013-10-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/15/2013 04:38 PM, Michael Schroeder wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 09:48:43AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: We have a number of _related_ things -- /etc/system-release, and the RPM vendor tag. From the given use case, in fact, I think that the vendor tag is pretty close. I'm not quite sure

Replies tearing threads apart [Was: %ifarch note]

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/11/2013 09:26 AM, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: (Currently my reply seems to create new thread...) Are you replying from a SmartPhone or other Android-Device? I have been observing this issue for quite a while and when ever asking senders about their equipement they replied Android-SmartPhone.

Re: rawhide report: 20131008 changes

2013-10-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/08/2013 07:07 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: A big red box with: *This message could be a scam.* The sender's account may have been compromised and used to send malicious messages. If this message seems suspicious, let us know and then alert the sender as well (in some way other than email).

Re: rawhide report: 20131008 changes

2013-10-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/08/2013 11:08 PM, David wrote: On 10/8/2013 1:36 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/08/2013 07:07 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: A big red box with: *This message could be a scam.* The sender's account may have been compromised and used to send malicious messages. If this message seems suspicious

Re: Building and submitting updates for Fedora 20

2013-10-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/06/2013 04:06 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: fakeroot I don't understand this. With f20/rawhide as of yesterday, fakeroot in f20 and rawhide were identical, because fakeroot was built before f20 was branched: ./development/rawhide/source/SRPMS/f/fakeroot-1.18.4-1.fc20.src.rpm

Re: Building and submitting updates for Fedora 20

2013-10-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/06/2013 07:01 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/06/2013 04:06 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: fakeroot I don't understand this. With f20/rawhide as of yesterday, fakeroot in f20 and rawhide were identical, because fakeroot was built before f20 was branched: ./development/rawhide/source/SRPMS

Re: Building and submitting updates for Fedora 20

2013-10-06 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/07/2013 03:49 AM, Tim Flink wrote: On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 15:09:24 -0500 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 19:11:41 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I now see ... the version in f19 was greater than that in f20+rawhide, for whatever reasons

Re: hidden GRUB menu - Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/22/2013 06:13 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 03:21:32 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: now we have exactly what i said will happen: users in trouble does not know how to boot the still installed older kernel because they never learned that there are more than one because they

Re: fedmsg for voting?

2013-09-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/11/2013 10:05 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Ralf Corsepius (rc040...@freenet.de) said: - a record of who voted for what has been kept since this feature was implemented: fedorahosted.org/elections/ticket/30 http://fedorahosted.org/elections/ticket/30 in 2009. All election software

Re: fedmsg for voting?

2013-09-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/12/2013 03:02 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 02:10:05AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Since this discussion is now about national elections, which must be taken much more seriously than polls on release names: Can you propose a mechanism that allows the voter to verify

Re: numatop: %{optflags} fail the 32bit build

2013-09-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/12/2013 02:11 PM, Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: I don't understand the last 5 lines of __asm in both functions, I've never seen this syntax before. It's gcc's extended asm syntax (Aka. inline asm in C): c.f. http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Extended-Asm.html ff. Ralf -- devel mailing

Re: Firewall blocking desktop features

2013-09-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/11/2013 02:46 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/11/2013 06:35 AM, Heiko Adams wrote: Am 11.09.2013 12:30, schrieb Alec Leamas: That said, I see your point. Seems to boil down to that only the application knows which port(s) to open and why,

Re: Firewall blocking desktop features

2013-09-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/11/2013 03:32 PM, Alec Leamas wrote: On 2013-09-11 15:20, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/11/2013 02:46 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Asking her Do you want to make security changes to share directory /home/phyllis/Share? Or Do you want to make security

Re: fedmsg for voting?

2013-09-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/11/2013 05:00 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Sep 10, 2013 8:20 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de mailto:rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 09/11/2013 12:00 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: I think the benefit of encouraging more participation through voting is a reasonable tradeoff

Re: separation emacs-common into more packages

2013-09-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/10/2013 01:54 PM, Petr Hracek wrote: Hi folks, I would like to separate emacs-common into more packages (in rawhide currently). emacs-common contains all lisp files, info and man pages Man pages and infos should be part of the package they document. They do not belong into *-common.

Re: fedmsg for voting?

2013-09-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/11/2013 12:00 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:53:59PM -0500, inode0 wrote: But anyway, if people feel really strongly about this, I think the opt out of badge tracking is an okay approach. (Even if it makes more checkboxes.) I find it hard to agree that forcing

Re: [Bug 885474] make bails with *** INTERNAL: readdir: Bad file descriptor

2013-09-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/02/2013 10:29 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: On 09/01/2013 07:10 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Deps on dirs work on local Linux file systems, but doesn't work on linux nfs and is known to not have worked with local files systems on other *nices. Ugh. Does it really have to be this way? You

Re: [Bug 885474] make bails with *** INTERNAL: readdir: Bad file descriptor

2013-09-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/02/2013 05:06 PM, Andrew Schultz wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: As long as developers only work with gmake on local filesystems on Linux, they won't ever see trip over this issue. Actually, the issue here is that it doesn't work on local filesystems. Perhaps similar behavior with remote

Re: [Bug 885474] make bails with *** INTERNAL: readdir: Bad file descriptor

2013-09-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/02/2013 01:44 PM, Petr Machata wrote: Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de writes: I guess, no. AFAIS, this makefile carries deps on directories. This is a very old known general limitation of and portability isse with make and one of known donts. Deps on dirs work on local Linux file

Re: [Bug 885474] make bails with *** INTERNAL: readdir: Bad file descriptor

2013-09-01 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/31/2013 01:44 AM, Philip Prindeville wrote: Hi Petr, Can you please tell us what you need to resolve this bug? I'm currently unable to do OpenWRT development because of hitting this bug. Looking at google search results, it seems to be a known issue but looking in the make project

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-23 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/23/2013 10:39 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: * a unified koji/bodhi/bugzilla Web-GUI You think BZ is slow now? What do you mean by now ... now as in comparison to yesterday, or in general. In general, my issues with bugzilla basically are two: - It's UI is clumsy to use for Fedora -

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/22/2013 05:03 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Based on discussion at Flock, on the devel mailing list, and in the FESCo meeting, we are looking for feedback on the idea of a longer release cycle for Fedora 21 -- not (right now at least) the bigger question of the 6-month cycle overall, but just,

Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?

2013-08-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/22/2013 05:12 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote: What things we do _now_ could be improved with the investment of some effort? Perl rebuild always take a lot of time, and as a result it will affect the mass rebuild. Apparently

Re: Problem with sed in spec file

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 02:00 PM, Juan Orti Alcaine wrote: El 2013-08-21 11:49, Paul Howarth escribió: On 21/08/13 12:21, Juan Orti Alcaine wrote: Hello, I'm adding a SELinux module to the gogoc package, as seen in this draft [1], and I've received a error about the dependecies. In my spec file I use

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 03:06 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:37:10 -0400 Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: As far as I know, we've done a mass rebuild and we've branched. FESCo has closed the Changes. Beyond that, I don't

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 04:01 PM, Frantisek Kluknavsky wrote: On 08/21/2013 03:35 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: there are no f20 mock configurations on released Fedora releases in place Is fedpkg mock-config problematic? No. fedpkg mockbuild for f20 and mock -r fedora-20-XXX are the problem. Ralf

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 05:18 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:35:57 +0200 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Just one minor item: How do you expect people to test f20 fixes at the moment? There is no f20 repo on dl.fedoraproject.org, there are no f20 mock configurations

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 04:39 PM, Frantisek Kluknavsky wrote: On 08/21/2013 04:16 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/21/2013 04:01 PM, Frantisek Kluknavsky wrote: On 08/21/2013 03:35 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: there are no f20 mock configurations on released Fedora releases in place Is fedpkg mock-config

Re: mass rebuild update

2013-08-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/19/2013 01:32 PM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I have merged perl info f20 and started the mass rebuild. Hi! A friendly reminder - Branch

Re: mass rebuild update

2013-08-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/19/2013 02:21 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On 08/19/2013 01:32 PM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I have merged

Re: mass rebuild update

2013-08-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/19/2013 02:25 PM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 08/19/2013 01:32 PM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message -

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-08-14)

2013-08-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/15/2013 04:36 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.08.2013 15:40, schrieb Paul Wouters: We can't tell people to re-install from scratch every 6 months. What we need is an apt-get dist-upgrade equivalent. *we have*

Re: rawhide report: 20130815 changes

2013-08-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/15/2013 04:32 PM, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: Compose started at Thu Aug 15 08:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for i386 -- [FlightGear] [fgrun] Fallout of the OpenSceneGraph upgrade. Now fixed in rawhide. Ralf -- devel mailing

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-08-14)

2013-08-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/15/2013 05:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:32:27 +0200 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: what does *not* matter in case of yum distro-sync because it does also downgrades and if fedup has a problem with it the people who say yum is not officially supported

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-08-14)

2013-08-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/15/2013 05:32 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.08.2013 17:17, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 08/15/2013 04:36 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.08.2013 15:40, schrieb Paul Wouters: We can't tell people to re-install from scratch every 6 months. What

OpenSceneGraph-3.2.0/OpenSceneGraph SONAME bump

2013-08-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Hi, I intend to upgrade OpenSceneGraph on rawhide to OpenSceneGraph-3.2.0 throughout today. As a consequence of this, all libraries provided by OpenSceneGraph will see an SONAME bump, requiring all packages depending on them to be rebuilt. May-be, I am missing some, but so far, I am aware

Re: Rawhide Koji Errors (Requires: /sbin/ldconfig)

2013-08-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/14/2013 12:59 PM, Christopher Meng wrote: Seems another victim appeared in test list. This time is for /sbin/alternatives. Sorry for no contexts, but what about removing /sbin or /bin from every spec? Not a clever idea. Very oversimplified, in RPM-provides/requires, full paths symbols

Re: /usr/etc?

2013-08-04 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/04/2013 01:16 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: I noticed this: $ rpm -qf /usr/etc filesystem-3.2-12.fc19.x86_64 $ repoquery --whatprovides '/usr/etc/*' mirall-common-0:1.3.0-1.fc19.x86_64 mirall-common-0:1.3.0-1.fc19.i686 Since when do we have /usr/etc, and what is it for? Maybe I am the

Re: Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

2013-07-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/24/2013 02:33 AM, Tony Breeds wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:01:51PM +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote: On 2013-07-23 08:04, Ralf Corsepius wrote: For similar purposes, I have been using the CSV table returned by https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/lists/bugzilla?tg_format=plain; I am

Re: Grepping through all Fedora specfiles?

2013-07-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/22/2013 11:39 AM, Ville Skyttä wrote: Hello, I'd like to grep through all specfiles (and preferably also patches and sources in git) for rawhide, this time related to the unversioned docdirs F20 feature, and sometimes for other reasons. Hopefully there's a better way than to fedpkg clone

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/18/2013 06:36 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 14:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: We ask this constantly on Fedora. Because Fedora is where innovation is supposed to take place, not where things are stay frozen in carbonite forever. (And let's never forget that

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/17/2013 03:35 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:30:20PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 08:56:45AM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: Is there a way to read binary journals from non-Linux OSes? Compiling journalctl on UINXy OSes should not

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/17/2013 12:06 PM, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: On Wednesday 17 July 2013 03:20:42 Lennart Poettering wrote: As mentioned before, if people run programs that require /var/log/messages they should simply install rsyslog and be done with it. That terribly sounds like my way or the

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/17/2013 02:56 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 07/17/2013 12:06 PM, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: On Wednesday 17 July 2013 03:20:42 Lennart Poettering wrote: As mentioned before, if people run programs that require /var/log

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/17/2013 03:51 PM, James Hogarth wrote: I don't understand why you are on a crusade to remove stuff which works, even after people conceded to your desire to have binary logs. Because that is how progress happens? Progress? My feel is a new generation of programmers is repeating

Re: Release an rpm with a lower version than the existing one

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/12/2013 08:35 AM, Alejandro Alvarez Ayllon wrote: Hi all, Not so long ago I took over an rpm called dpm-dsi, being the released version 1.9.0. The release of that version was decided by upstream. However, now upstream has decided to deprecate 1.9.0 for the moment being, since they

Re: Perl packaging guidelines

2013-07-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/08/2013 02:25 PM, Petr Šabata wrote: Dear list, Following the recent thread on the Packaging list [1], and since those questions arise fairly often during reviews, I think it'd be a good idea to discuss some possible updates to our packaging guidelines. We all have different opinions on

Re: Package version match with upstream in reviewing

2013-06-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/03/2013 02:33 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com mailto:mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 2013-06-03, 12:19 GMT, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: It is compulsory that a package waiting to be reviewed, be submitted with the

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/24/2013 09:26 AM, Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 24 mai 2013 à 07:08 +0200, Ralf Corsepius a écrit : On 05/23/2013 06:05 PM, Simone Caronni wrote: On 23 May 2013 17:38, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org mailto:ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 13:52 +0200

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/24/2013 10:21 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 24.05.2013 07:08, schrieb Ralf Corsepius: By doing yum reinstall nagios I don't have the the default config files (i.e. nagios.cfg.rpmnew is not created). This happens only on upgrades. yum remove pkg yum install pkg should do what you want

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-23 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/23/2013 06:05 PM, Simone Caronni wrote: On 23 May 2013 17:38, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org mailto:ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 2013-05-23 at 13:52 +0200, Simone Caronni wrote: mv /etc/nagios/nagios.cfg /etc/nagios/nagios.cfg.mine yum reinstall nagios

Re: Trimming (or obsoleting) %changelog?

2013-04-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/19/2013 06:57 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: On 04/19/2013 12:25 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:17:09AM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote: On 04/18/2013 11:34 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: %global _changelog_trimtime %(date +%s -d 1 year ago) If that actually works, we

Re: Trimming (or obsoleting) %changelog?

2013-04-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/17/2013 12:03 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 12:10 +0900, Florian Festi wrote: For limiting the change log entries in the binary packages %_changelog_trimtime can be used that take a unix time

Re: Trimming (or obsoleting) %changelog?

2013-04-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/17/2013 12:19 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 04/17/2013 12:03 PM, drago01 wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 12:10 +0900, Florian Festi wrote

Re: Recommended memory size for F19?

2013-04-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/10/2013 06:23 PM, John Reiser wrote: I was running F18 on an old notebook ... Question: which minimal memory size is recommended for F19? For graphical desktop, the installer currently warns if less than 768MB. Are these the installation memory requirements or the run-time

Re: config.guess/config.sub for aarch64 (was Re: Mass Rebuild for Fedora 19)

2013-03-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/25/2013 09:36 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 02/08/2013 09:30 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 02/08/2013 07:12 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us writes: Additionally we will be mass patching config.guess and config.sub to support aarch64 in preperation for 64 bit arm

Re: dnf installs cron.hourly

2013-03-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/17/2013 11:13 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: Unwanted/non-user-intended network access = Must be disabled by default and must explicitly activated by user action. [snip] I for one consider the approach of background updating to be a conceptionally broken and flawed design

Re: dnf installs cron.hourly

2013-03-16 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/16/2013 06:55 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On 15/03/13 09:48 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/15/2013 07:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: In this case it seems perfectly logical. The thing in question is a cron script. May-be I am missing something, but the issue is not cron-jobs in general

Re: Packages requires /sbin/service.

2013-03-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/15/2013 05:38 PM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: After usr move packages should not install files to /sbin. Unfortunately there is a lot of packages requiring /sbin/service, which was recently moved to /usr/sbin/, and these packages were uninstallable. As a workaround I have put Provides:

Re: dnf installs cron.hourly

2013-03-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/15/2013 07:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: In this case it seems perfectly logical. The thing in question is a cron script. May-be I am missing something, but the issue is not cron-jobs in general, it is unwanted, non-user-intended/initiated network access. Ralf -- devel mailing list

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