Dan Mashal wrote:
I will look at switching MATE Desktop to KDM or MDM if necessary
(which I kind of wanted to do from the start, not the hugest fan of
LightDM as a user personally).
As much as I like KDM, I don't think it'd be the optimal choice for the MATE
spin due to its dependencies (Qt
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Brendan Jones wrote:
On 02/14/2013 04:26 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
I was still planning on retiring xmms. It has no upstream support. The
volume control has issues that I don't have time to figure out.
esound can be disabled at build time - please do not
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Thu, 14.02.13 03:26, Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) wrote:
Not knowing too much about CK itself but out of concern for anyone
that uses CK (including myself) I will be happy to take over
ConsoleKit as the
On 13/02/13 10:15 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
(well, more like crap, since I still haven't figured out how to
get pulseaudio to use my digital audio outputs).
Really? It's not that hard. It's either a device or a profile right on
the very first tab of GNOME sound properties. If you're using
On 02/14/2013 06:35 PM, Hans de Goede wrote:
Hi,
On 02/14/2013 01:28 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 10:53 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:49:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage, if you ask me. First thing audacious did was
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 20:39 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:28:57 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 10:53 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:49:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage, if you ask
On 13 Feb 2013 22:50, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:38:42PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
However, I have already removed consolekit on my F18 without any notable
issue, so I do not think any breakage would be blocking. We have the
whole F19
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:35:23 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:49:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage, if you ask me. First thing audacious did was spew
random errors to the screen and change my Firefox and emacs cursors.
So I suspect that
Hi,
On 02/15/2013 07:57 AM, Stef Walter wrote:
On 02/14/2013 06:35 PM, Hans de Goede wrote:
Hi,
On 02/14/2013 01:28 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 10:53 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:49:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage,
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:16:56 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
What I want is that yum distro-sync removes the package eventually.
Then it will need an Obsoletes tag somewhere else to get rid of any
installed CK packages.
yum distro-sync doesn't remove orphans. It only upgrades/downgrades
(subject changed, please strip the [was...] when replying)
On 13/02/13 10:15 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
(well, more like crap, since I still haven't figured out how to
get pulseaudio to use my digital audio outputs).
Really? It's not that hard. It's either a device or a profile right on
the
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:13:32 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Could you tell me a test environment where auto-starting the daemon is
reproducible? Then I might take a look at trying to avoid it.
It should be auto-started when your app pokes at the not-yet-spawned
well-known D-Bus name.
Yeah, a test environment would be good.
Found a first one! EL6 with Openbox from EPEL. That one auto-spawns
g-s-d when running Audacious unpatched.
$ find /usr/share/dbus-1|grep Sett
/usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.service
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On 15/02/13 10:22 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
(subject changed, please strip the [was...] when replying)
On 13/02/13 10:15 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
(well, more like crap, since I still haven't figured out how to
get pulseaudio to use my digital audio outputs).
Really? It's not that hard. It's
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:22 PM, DJ Delorie d...@redhat.com wrote:
(subject changed, please strip the [was...] when replying)
On 13/02/13 10:15 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
(well, more like crap, since I still haven't figured out how to
get pulseaudio to use my digital audio outputs).
Really?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Dan Mashal wrote:
I will look at switching MATE Desktop to KDM or MDM if necessary
(which I kind of wanted to do from the start, not the hugest fan of
LightDM as a user personally).
As much as I like KDM, I don't
drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:16:56 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
What I want is that yum distro-sync removes the package eventually.
Then it will need an Obsoletes tag somewhere else to get rid of any
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:21:41 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
While audacious can be made to look similar to xmms, it is not xmms,
True, and it doesn't try to duplicate XMMS anyway. It had only started as
a fork of BMP. From its description:
| Historically, it started as a fork of Beep Media Player
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:49:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage, if you ask me. First thing audacious did was spew
random errors to the screen and change my Firefox and emacs cursors.
So I suspect that Audacious started gnome-settings-daemon.
It doesn't do that
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Thu, 14.02.13 04:02, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:
(and as mentioned, exorcising CK from packages is rather simple usually,
as in most cases you will just delete code, not add new code).
I
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 10:53 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:49:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage, if you ask me. First thing audacious did was spew
random errors to the screen and change my Firefox and emacs cursors.
So I suspect
On 02/14/2013 04:26 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 21:21:41 -0500,
Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote:
If the esound or pulseaudio plugins are problematic, let us retire
them. I don't think xmms will be used by other people than us fanboys,
and I feel that we are
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Matthew Miller
mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:38:42PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
However, I have already removed consolekit on my F18 without any notable
issue, so I do not think any breakage would be blocking. We have the
whole
On Thu, 14.02.13 03:26, Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) wrote:
Not knowing too much about CK itself but out of concern for anyone
that uses CK (including myself) I will be happy to take over
ConsoleKit as the package maintainer for F19 if it means keeping it in
for 1 more release to
Hi,
On 02/14/2013 01:28 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 10:53 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:49:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage, if you ask me. First thing audacious did was spew
random errors to the screen and change my
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 13:33:27 +0100,
Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/14/2013 04:26 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
I was still planning on retiring xmms. It has no upstream support. The
volume control has issues that I don't have time to figure out.
esound can be
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:28:57 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 10:53 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:49:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage, if you ask me. First thing audacious did was spew
random errors to the
On 02/14/2013 06:16 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 14.02.13 03:26, Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) wrote:
Not knowing too much about CK itself but out of concern for anyone
that uses CK (including myself) I will be happy to take over
ConsoleKit as the package maintainer for F19 if it
Hi,
On 02/13/2013 04:26 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo?
/me is very glad we still have xmms in the repo
Have you tried using Audacious ? You can set it to
classic mode, at which point it user experience is
identical to xmms.
With the advantage that it uses a
On 13 February 2013 09:21, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
Have you tried using Audacious ? You can set it to
classic mode, at which point it user experience is
identical to xmms.
With the advantage that it uses a modern toolkit, more
modern plumbing in various places, and it
Please can we test this on rawhide first if anything? I'm pretty sure a lot
of thing are still ck dependant. We are still trying to catch up to systemd.
Just because some other distro did it doesn't mean we should do it too.
Dan
On Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Heya,
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Dan Mashal dan.mas...@gmail.com wrote:
Please can we test this on rawhide first if anything? I'm pretty sure a lot
of thing are still ck dependant. We are still trying to catch up to systemd.
Just because some other distro did it doesn't mean we should do it
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote:
On Tue, 12.02.13 13:52, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote:
So to clarify, you're not actually retiring anything currently, just
expressing to the community that you'd like to and that we should
work
On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 20:47:50 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 00:26:28 +0100,
Lennart Poettering wrote:
Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo? Both Debian and Gentoo killed it
years ago... And I though those were the conservative distributions...
I wanted to keep it
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:21:35 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
Hi,
On 02/13/2013 04:26 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo?
/me is very glad we still have xmms in the repo
Have you tried using Audacious ? You can set it to
classic mode, at which point it user
Have you tried using Audacious ?
Just did. No thanks. /me uninstalls those five RPMs...
You can set it to classic mode, at which point it user experience is
identical to xmms.
No, it's not. It's close enough to fool someone who doesn't use xmms
regularly, but it's different enough to
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:15:07 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
First thing audacious did was spew
random errors to the screen and change my Firefox and emacs cursors.
Interesting, but here it has never done that before.
Then it ask which of the most recent minecraft jar files I wanted to
listen to.
and change my Firefox and emacs cursors.
And now I have to restart my entire session to reset my gtk themes,
because of one rogue app. Thanks.
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On Wed, 13.02.13 02:44, Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) wrote:
Please can we test this on rawhide first if anything? I'm pretty sure a lot
of thing are still ck dependant. We are still trying to catch up to systemd.
So, in contrast to the esound discussion I do not sense too much
opposition
DJ Delorie wrote:
And now I have to restart my entire session to reset my gtk themes,
because of one rogue app. Thanks.
You have other serious system issues not affiliated with Audacious if
this is the case.
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You have other serious system issues not affiliated with Audacious if
this is the case.
If I don't run gnome is considered other serious system issues, I
suppose so.
Restarting didn't help, I still had the wrong cursor in emacs and
firefox, but only the emacs and firefox run remotely back to
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:59:46 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
And now I have to restart my entire session to reset my gtk themes,
because of one rogue app. Thanks.
You have other serious system issues not affiliated with Audacious if
this is the case.
Hmmm, Audacious
On Feb 13, 2013 10:58 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Wed, 13.02.13 02:44, Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) wrote:
Please can we test this on rawhide first if anything? I'm pretty sure a
lot
of thing are still ck dependant. We are still trying to catch up to
systemd.
On Wed, 13.02.13 12:58, Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) wrote:
Sorry if I sound ignorant but:
No. I meant fedora 20 rawhide. What is the problem with keeping it?
There is no Fedora 20 rawhide.
I don't want to maintain it, and I want to put the pressure on the
few holdouts to finally port
Le mercredi 13 février 2013 à 12:58 -0800, Dan Mashal a écrit :
On Feb 13, 2013 10:58 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de
wrote:
On Wed, 13.02.13 02:44, Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) wrote:
Please can we test this on rawhide first if anything? I'm pretty
sure a lot
of
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:38:42PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
However, I have already removed consolekit on my F18 without any notable
issue, so I do not think any breakage would be blocking. We have the
whole F19 cycle to find and detect the few packages needing fix.
Is this the kind of
- Original Message -
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:38:42PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
However, I have already removed consolekit on my F18 without any
notable
issue, so I do not think any breakage would be blocking. We have
the
whole F19 cycle to find and detect the few
On Wed, 13.02.13 17:50, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:38:42PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
However, I have already removed consolekit on my F18 without any notable
issue, so I do not think any breakage would be blocking. We have the
whole F19
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34:35AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
It is an (accepted) feature:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval
Huh. That (Fedora 17 feature) says 100% complete.
I am just looking to do the final step, to kill the beast entirely.
So, 110%. :)
Mind you, I
On Wed, 13.02.13 19:13, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:34:35AM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
It is an (accepted) feature:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ckremoval
Huh. That (Fedora 17 feature) says 100% complete.
I am just
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
Hi,
On 02/13/2013 04:26 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo?
/me is very glad we still have xmms in the repo
Have you tried using Audacious ? You can set it to
classic mode, at which point it user experience
DJ Delorie wrote:
Disadvantage, if you ask me. First thing audacious did was spew
random errors to the screen and change my Firefox and emacs cursors.
So I suspect that Audacious started gnome-settings-daemon. In the past, some
GNOME apps kept doing that under KDE Plasma sessions as well,
Lennart Poettering wrote:
There is no Fedora 20 rawhide.
There will be one in less than 4 weeks.
(and as mentioned, exorcising CK from packages is rather simple usually,
as in most cases you will just delete code, not add new code).
I don't think that's true. As far as I know, LightDM relies
Jon Ciesla wrote:
That said, I maintain gnugb, and was able to easily remove the esound
requirement.
What sound output options does that leave? I see only arts-devel in the
BuildRequires list, and that's actually worse than esound, because it
requires running another sound server from KDE 3
Matthew Miller wrote:
In reading the F17 feature and the associated discussion page, it looks
like the actual final state of that was that the multi-seat portion was
implemented but the ckremoval portion wasn't completed, and that there
was no particular effort around non-Gnome desktops except
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 21:21:41 -0500,
Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote:
If the esound or pulseaudio plugins are problematic, let us retire
them. I don't think xmms will be used by other people than us fanboys,
and I feel that we are fine with the ALSA output.
Anyhow it looks like
I wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
Restarting didn't help, I still had the wrong cursor in emacs and
firefox, but only the emacs and firefox run remotely back to my
display, the local emacs and firefox had the right cursors. I still
can't figure out how to get rid of the wrong cursor without also
Well, it looks like you aren't running ANY desktop environment,
fvwm2, emacs, firefox, xterm. Plus a few other things as needed.
This is for two computers running four monitors (one computer is the
local one with the monitors, the other is strictly ssh and remote X,
each computer has its own
On Thu, 14.02.13 04:02, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:
(and as mentioned, exorcising CK from packages is rather simple usually,
as in most cases you will just delete code, not add new code).
I don't think that's true. As far as I know, LightDM relies on ConsoleKit
for some
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
There is no Fedora 20 rawhide.
There will be one in less than 4 weeks.
(and as mentioned, exorcising CK from packages is rather simple usually,
as in most cases you will just delete code,
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 21:21:41 -0500,
Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote:
If the esound or pulseaudio plugins are problematic, let us retire
them. I don't think xmms will be used by other people than us
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote:
Heya,
since a while now logind has replaced CK in Fedora. I'd like to retire
it entirely from the distribution now.
Most deps on CK are gone. Holdouts are cdm, lightdm, lxsession,
lxdm.
On Tue, 12.02.13 12:38, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote:
Heya,
since a while now logind has replaced CK in Fedora. I'd like to retire
it entirely from the distribution now.
Most deps on CK are
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote:
On Tue, 12.02.13 12:38, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote:
Heya,
since a while now logind has replaced CK in
On 12 Feb 2013 19:53, Jon Ciesla limburg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de
wrote:
On Tue, 12.02.13 12:38, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
I'd also like to retire esound finally. Currently, adplay, ayttm,
dopewars, e16, gnome-libs, gnubg, lxdream, moon-buggy, spacechart,
xarchon, xmms-esd still use it.
Most of these projects if not all are dead upstream but for now, I
xfce4-session still wants to use ConsoleKit, however, there are
upstream patches to fix that. I was waiting for a release to happen
with them, but I can pick them in before them if need be.
kevin
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Peter Robinson wrote:
In the case of esound I think we're better killing them because I suspect
in all cases the packages are either:
- optional packages better served by either native PA or alsa support in
other sub/related packages
- disable the esd support and just use the native alsa/oss
On Tue, 12.02.13 13:52, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote:
So to clarify, you're not actually retiring anything currently, just
expressing to the community that you'd like to and that we should work
toward making that possible?
Well, I am just checking before I do something
Hi
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote:
OK, if that's what you want. I have now orphaned esound. Please take it
over.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910600 spacechart
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910601 xmms
It is
On Tue, 12.02.13 18:22, Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) wrote:
OK, if that's what you want. I have now orphaned esound. Please take it
over.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910600 spacechart
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910601 xmms
It is not clear why
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 00:26:28 +0100,
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo? Both Debian and Gentoo killed it
years ago... And I though those were the conservative distributions...
I wanted to keep it in Fedora a little bit longer since I have
Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo?
/me is very glad we still have xmms in the repo
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