Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen Gallagher wrote: > I really feel like we are approaching the finish line and shouldn’t give > up just yet! Unfortunately, the feeling that I get is that what looks like a finish line to you is actually the edge of a deep cliff. ;-) To explain my metaphore: I think the biggest trouble and

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen Gallagher wrote: > You're assuming that parallel-install is a thing that everyone needs > from every package on their system. Our research and surveys > determined that this was not in fact the case for the overwhelming > majority of real-world deployments. Most[1] deployments function with

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:29 PM Kevin Kofler > wrote: >> What about libgit2, was that not a default stream? > > It was not. It was a dependency of other modules. So it looks like we really also (in addition to the proposed ban on default streams) need a ban on non-lea

Re: What are the benefits of default modular streams over non-modular packages?

2019-11-14 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 11/14/19 7:56 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: **What are the benefits of default modular streams over non-modular packages?** I think Adam Williamson tried to answer that in a message in the thread "Re: Modularity and the system-upgrade path" (link below) when he wrote: "if you just don't modul

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:19 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > Modular packages without defaults makes sense if they have > > dependencies on a non-default stream. For example: ReviewBoard depends > > on the Django:1.6 stream because of complicated upstream reasons. I > > hav

Re: Python 2 exodus is happening now

2019-11-14 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Thu, 2019-11-14 at 18:20 -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:07:57 PM MST John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > There are a *lot* of useful, working Python 2 packages here. The > > future of > > Fedora will certainly be interesting. > > Looking through this list, it's r

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 15. 11. 19 2:18, Kevin Kofler wrote: Stephen Gallagher wrote: Modular packages without defaults makes sense if they have dependencies on a non-default stream. For example: ReviewBoard depends on the Django:1.6 stream because of complicated upstream reasons. I have to choose between "modular w

Re: Python 2 exodus is happening now

2019-11-14 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:07:57 PM MST John M. Harris Jr wrote: > There are a *lot* of useful, working Python 2 packages here. The future of > Fedora will certainly be interesting. Looking through this list, it's really a shame that so many good, working packages are being removed without

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Modular packages without defaults makes sense if they have > dependencies on a non-default stream. For example: ReviewBoard depends > on the Django:1.6 stream because of complicated upstream reasons. I > have to choose between "modular without a default stream" or "not >

Re: Python 2 exodus is happening now

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 15. 11. 19 2:11, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 02:02 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: python-inotify python2-inotify (→ PY2) python2-inotify-examples (→ PY2) python-qt5 python2-qt5 (→ PY2) python2-qt5-base (→ PY2) python2-qt5-devel (→ python2-sip-d

Re: Python 2 exodus is happening now

2019-11-14 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 02:02 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: >python-inotify > python2-inotify (→ PY2) > python2-inotify-examples (→ PY2) > >python-qt5 > python2-qt5 (→ PY2) > python2-qt5-base (→ PY2) > python2-qt5-devel (→ python2-sip-devel → PY2) > python2-qt5-web

Re: Python 2 exodus is happening now

2019-11-14 Thread John M. Harris Jr
There are a *lot* of useful, working Python 2 packages here. The future of Fedora will certainly be interesting. -- John M. Harris, Jr. Splentity ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists

Python 2 exodus is happening now

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
Dear maintainers, here is an updated list of packages that (transitively, at build or run time) require Python 2 and have not yet requested a FESCo exception to do so. Packages with open exception requests have been excluded for now to be able to finish the conversation with FESCo. If you were

Re: Something wrong with kernel-headers on fedora 30?

2019-11-14 Thread Steven Munroe
> kernel-headers is related to the userspace API and is not tied to a > particular kernel version. > If the userspace API doesn't change there's no need to rebuild. Is there a > problem you're > seeing by not having an updated kernel-headers? That does not be it works in all cases. I have Highp

Re: rpmbuild signature check failure

2019-11-14 Thread Björn Persson
Björn Persson wrote: >Baxi wrote: >> Hi. I am trying to package a program. The upstream provided sha256sum.asc >> file. Verifying tarball with that signature says, Can't check signature: No >> public key. I found his public key in key directory by searching his email >> and added that key. Now g

Re: Will orphan packages with NEW F31FTBFS bugs tomorrow

2019-11-14 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 11 November 2019 at 13:53, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 08. 11. 19 13:16, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > According to the policy for packages that fail to build from source: > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Fails_to_build_from_source_Fails_to_install/ > > > > > > I plan to orph

Re: fatal error: x86intrin.h: No such file or directory

2019-11-14 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 14 November 2019 at 23:02, Richard Shaw wrote: > The package is building fine in mock but when I try to do a scratch build > I'm getting the following error: > > fatal error: x86intrin.h: No such file or directory > > It seems to be random too, on this attempt x86_64 actually complet

fatal error: x86intrin.h: No such file or directory

2019-11-14 Thread Richard Shaw
The package is building fine in mock but when I try to do a scratch build I'm getting the following error: fatal error: x86intrin.h: No such file or directory It seems to be random too, on this attempt x86_64 actually completed but all other arches failed: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tas

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:49 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 14. 11. 19 22:30, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:24 PM Miro Hrončok > wrote: > > > >> Easy is subjective. I don't consider this easy. I consider it seriously > >> overcomplicated. The idea that going modular will so

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 22:30, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:24 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: Easy is subjective. I don't consider this easy. I consider it seriously overcomplicated. The idea that going modular will somehow help with current problems in modularity is exactly what happened

Re: Jenkins upgrade to change from fedmsg to fedora-messaging

2019-11-14 Thread Jim Bair
Thank you for the clarification, Pierre! I meant to do that yesterday, but I got sidetracked. =) The upgrade went well this morning and all jobs appear to be running smoothly. We will make the change to fedora-messaging sometime next week, most likely on either Monday or Tuesday. Once we've setup

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:24 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > Easy is subjective. I don't consider this easy. I consider it seriously > overcomplicated. The idea that going modular will somehow help with current > problems in modularity is exactly what happened to eclipse. No, what happened to Eclipse i

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:10 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 14. 11. 19 19:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:12 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > >> > >> On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot > >>> > >>>

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 22:01, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:00 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 14. 11. 19 21:32, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:28 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 14. 11. 19 21:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Now, python3:3.7 vs. python3:3.8 might be a mor

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Charalampos Stratakis
- Original Message - > From: "Stephen Gallagher" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 9:32:30 PM > Subject: Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:28 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 14. 11. 19 2

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Charalampos Stratakis
- Original Message - > From: "Stephen Gallagher" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 9:15:38 PM > Subject: Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > > > On Thurs

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:00 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 14. 11. 19 21:32, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:28 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > >> > >> On 14. 11. 19 21:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >>> Now, python3:3.7 vs. python3:3.8 might be a more interesting question... > >>

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 21:32, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:28 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 14. 11. 19 21:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Now, python3:3.7 vs. python3:3.8 might be a more interesting question... The way Python is designed, 3.7 and 3.8 is parallel installable by default

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-11-18 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-11-14 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi folks! I'm proposing we cancel the QA meeting for Monday. I don't have any urgent business, but also, I'm going to be off work that day. If you think we do need to have a meeting, you can volunteer to run it - just send out an announcement like the one I normally send, and follow https://fedora

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:28 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 14. 11. 19 21:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > Now, python3:3.7 vs. python3:3.8 might be a more interesting question... > > The way Python is designed, 3.7 and 3.8 is parallel installable by default. > > The only things that conflict are:

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 21:15, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Now, python3:3.7 vs. python3:3.8 might be a more interesting question... The way Python is designed, 3.7 and 3.8 is parallel installable by default. The only things that conflict are: - package names, such as python3 or python3-pytest - executab

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 3:17 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 06. 11. 19 8:29, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > M2. > > > > For traditional packages, it was consistent and easy to find package > > dependencies in Fedora. For a proven packager, Fedora Packaging Committee > > member > > or generally for anybod

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:45:22 AM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > You're assuming that parallel-install is a thing that everyone needs > > from every package on their system. > > I'm not. However, if you're going to bring up 't

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 06. 11. 19 8:29, Miro Hrončok wrote: M2. For traditional packages, it was consistent and easy to find package dependencies in Fedora. For a proven packager, Fedora Packaging Committee member or generally for anybody doing a System Wide Change, being able to run queries like: $ repoquery

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 20:58, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 1:33 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 14. 11. 19 19:11, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 01:00:52PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu,

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le jeudi 14 novembre 2019 à 13:45 -0500, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 1:33 PM John M. Harris Jr < > joh...@splentity.com> wrote: > > On Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15:15 AM MST Stephen Gallagher > > wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you're asking here. I thought it was pret

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 1:33 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 14. 11. 19 19:11, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 01:00:52PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:43:4

Re: What are the benefits of default modular streams over non-modular packages?

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 11:39 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > I thing the canonical source of this data is: > > https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-module-defaults/tree/master > > If I understand the format correctly, the yamls that have the stream key have > default. For the record, you are correct. This

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 19:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:12 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot Enable module default streams in the buildroot repository for modular and non-modu

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:45:22 AM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote: > You're assuming that parallel-install is a thing that everyone needs > from every package on their system. I'm not. However, if you're going to bring up 'the recommended solution for doing "parallel-install" with modules',

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 7:48 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:12 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot > > > > > > Enable module default streams in the buildroot

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 1:33 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15:15 AM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > I'm not sure what you're asking here. I thought it was pretty clear > > from the paragraph you quoted that containers are the recommended > > solution for doing

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 1:40 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:12 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot > > > > > > Enable module default streams in the buildroot

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:12 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot > > > > Enable module default streams in the buildroot repository for modular > > and non-modular RPMs. > > > > == Summary ==

Re: Fwd: wzzrd's libyubikey-1.13-12.fc32 failed to build

2019-11-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 03:08:40PM +0100, Maxim Burgerhout wrote: > Hi, > > sorry if this is already known, but is there an issue with the s390x > builders? Or did I mess up? > > Only the s390x build fails with: > > urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 503: Backend fetch failed yes, there was a

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:15:15 AM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote: > I'm not sure what you're asking here. I thought it was pretty clear > from the paragraph you quoted that containers are the recommended > solution for doing "parallel-install" with modules. Also, the > relationship goes both

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 19:11, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 01:00:52PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:43:42PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 14. 11. 19 18:36, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szm

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Merlin Mathesius
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:09 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 14. 11. 19 18:57, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:43:42PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > >> On 14. 11. 19 18:36, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:08:52PM +0100, Miro Hrončo

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 11:52 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > Similarly, from the perspective of dependent maintainers, there will > > no longer be anxiety about needing to move their package to a module > > if one or more of their dependencies drops their non-modular version > > in favor of a default

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:24 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > Yes, we acknowledge that with multiple versions comes the risks of > > introducing more conflicts. We balanced that out by acknowledging that > > the container space is now mature enough that separating userspaces > > when you need to r

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 01:00:52PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:43:42PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > On 14. 11. 19 18:36, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > >On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 18:57, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:43:42PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 14. 11. 19 18:36, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:08:52PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproj

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:43:42PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 14. 11. 19 18:36, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > >On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:08:52PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > >>On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:43:42PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 14. 11. 19 18:36, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:08:52PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > >>On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: > >>>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buil

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:23 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > Believe me, I wish that the ideal distribution was possible too. The > > reality is that the world has gone in a different direction and Fedora > > needs to adapt to that. Holding the line and refusing to budge just > > means people w

Re: Orphaning packages

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 3:02, Othman Madjoudj wrote: Hello, Due to time constraints, I'm orphaning packages which I'm not using anymore. rpms/python-aiohttp-cors I've taken this one. It is needed by python-black. I've also added a %check section and reported some issues upstream: https://src.fedora

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 18:36, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:08:52PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot Enable module default streams in the buildroot repository for mod

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:08:52PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: > >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot > > > >Enable module default streams in the buildroot repository for modular > >and non-modular RPMs. > > > >== Summary =

Re: Will orphan packages with NEW F31FTBFS bugs tomorrow

2019-11-14 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 1:17 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > gucharmap Turns out that a) I got some spare time and b) the FTBFS was rather easy to fix. Before I adopt another stray that I know almost nothing about, does anyone have a good reason why I should let it get retired?

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 6:51:05 AM MST Stephen Gallagher wrote: > What you are saying is that *you* don't like what you are hearing > about modules. And that's fine; some of your feedback has been > constructive and we're taking it into account. But assuming that you > represent the whole of

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 09. 10. 19 22:46, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot Enable module default streams in the buildroot repository for modular and non-modular RPMs. == Summary == This Change (colloquially referred to as "Ursa Prime") enables the Koji build-

Fedora Atomic Host Two Week Release Announcement: 29.20191113.1

2019-11-14 Thread Sinny Kumari
A new Fedora Atomic Host update is available via an OSTree update: Version: 29.20191113.1 Commit(x86_64): 2cb7f9eff5277633f3cf27add9b43789bcac908239d1d694374ac3fe3abae0bc Commit(aarch64): 136d3d5270b5dc95b5ba87ef0ceaa0a9a356b5c7eae88ba42fc6a0455d273674 Commit(ppc64le): 8ddb6e0d8300025316d364c87

[Regression] Recent kernel unable to load firmware

2019-11-14 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Hello, I just hit a bug where the latest stable kernel and even rawhide version are unable to find a firmware. I include a link to the report and it will nice someone investigates the cause. The issue happened with a simple update as tested on a HP Envy x360 cpx000 equipped with a Ryzen 5 250

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:47 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Modules_In_Non-Modular_Buildroot > > Enable module default streams in the buildroot repository for modular > and non-modular RPMs. > > == Summary == > This Change (colloquially referred to as "Ursa Prime")

Re: What are the benefits of default modular streams over non-modular packages?

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 17:22, Fabio Valentini wrote: On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:57 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: Hello, in this thread (Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot) https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JNTMUOBZHHCEOV7KS

Re: What are the benefits of default modular streams over non-modular packages?

2019-11-14 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:57 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > Hello, in this thread (Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in > Non-Modular Buildroot) > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JNTMUOBZHHCEOV7KS7MRNOBO6VGGT7RX/ > > I've asked whether

What are the benefits of default modular streams over non-modular packages?

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
Hello, in this thread (Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot) https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JNTMUOBZHHCEOV7KS7MRNOBO6VGGT7RX/ I've asked whether it wouldn't be in fact much easier to keep the default versio

Re: List of Python 2 packages to be removed mid-November (= in a week)

2019-11-14 Thread Raphael Groner
No idea what to do with pdf-stapler and what can happen in future from upstream. At least, they are aware of python3. Am 07.11.19 um 13:01 schrieb Petr Viktorin: raphgro   pdf-stapler     (→ PY2)     python2-staplelib (→ PY2) ___ devel mailing list -

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2019-11-14 Thread Raphael Groner
Am 11.11.19 um 12:35 schrieb Miro Hrončok: raphgro: pdfbox, batik I'm not maintainer of both packages but CC'ed them somewhen with forgotten reasons. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 9:19 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > I wonder who is doing to clean up all the mess in dist-git we have due > to modularity. specifically, I wonder about all these branches: > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/modules/nodejs/branches?branchname=master > > https://src.fedoraproject.

Re: Missing module(platform:f31)

2019-11-14 Thread James Paul Turner
On Thu, 2019-11-14 at 11:26 +0100, Felix Schwarz wrote: > Am 14.11.19 um 10:43 schrieb Josef Ridky: > > I am hitting issue with my GIMP module in F30+. Most of users > > reporting the issue with missing module(platform:{30,31}) during > > update to newer Fedora /removing of some packages. > > And h

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
I wonder who is doing to clean up all the mess in dist-git we have due to modularity. specifically, I wonder about all these branches: https://src.fedoraproject.org/modules/nodejs/branches?branchname=master https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/nodejs/branches?branchname=master What is their state

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 13. 11. 19 v 21:48 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a): > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:34 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: >>> Here you seem to be missing the third option packager may choose - >>> maintain none of them and say bye to Fedora. Which IMHO is the most likely >>> outcome

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 6:09 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 13. 11. 19 23:27, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > So I guess the proposal is underspecified. What I really propose, and how I > > read Miro's proposal as well (Miro, please correct me if that is not what > > you intend), is that 1. any package tha

Re: Modularity: The Official Complaint Thread

2019-11-14 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:29 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: > > 1) there are exactly 6 default streams in Fedora rawhide > > > > dwm > > avocado > > scala > > ant > > gimp > > maven > > > > and eclipse is being discussed. > > What about libgit2, was that not a default stream

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Build Python 3 to statically link with libpython3.8.a for better performance

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 05. 11. 19 16:03, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PythonStaticSpeedup == Summary == Python 3 traditionally in Fedora was built with a shared library libpython3.?.so and the final binary was dynamically linked against that shared library. This change is about creating

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Freeze after branching until compose is ready

2019-11-14 Thread Ben Cotton
If this change is approved, I'll create a 4-day (Tue–Fri) freeze on the release schedule labeled "Branch freeze (end date approximate)" or something to that effect. This way it will be visible, but will also indicate that the freeze may be longer or shorter than the advertised length. -- Ben Cott

Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Freeze after branching until compose is ready

2019-11-14 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Freeze_after_branching_until_compose_is_ready == Summary == Add freeze (similar to [[Milestone_freezes|beta or final freeze]]) after new Fedora is branched. This freeze will be removed as soon as a branched compose is ready. == Owner == * Name: [[User:jkonec

Re: Will orphan packages with NEW F31FTBFS bugs tomorrow

2019-11-14 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 10:41 AM Ernestas Kulik wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-11-14 at 10:34 +0100, Ernestas Kulik wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-11-14 at 09:08 +, Paul Howarth wrote: > > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:53:17 +0100 > > > Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > gucharmap > > > > > > Isn't that a core compone

Re: Missing module(platform:f31)

2019-11-14 Thread Felix Schwarz
Am 14.11.19 um 10:43 schrieb Josef Ridky: > I am hitting issue with my GIMP module in F30+. Most of users reporting the > issue with missing module(platform:{30,31}) during update to newer Fedora > /removing of some packages. > And honestly, I don't know, how is possible, that F30 user is able t

[Bug 1772356] perl-GnuPG-Interface EPEL 8 package

2019-11-14 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1772356 Xavier Bachelot changed: What|Removed |Added Depends On||1772395 Referenced Bugs: https://

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Build Python 3 to statically link with libpython3.8.a for better performance

2019-11-14 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 14. 11. 19 2:48, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 11/12/19 2:21 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: However, I believe there's a third option here. It could be as simple as providing a python3-static in addition, and NOT using `alternatives`. Is that an option, though?  From the discussion, I was under t

Non-responsive maintainer: huwang?

2019-11-14 Thread Fabio Valentini
Hi everybody, Following the policy for non-responsive package maintainers [0], I'm asking here if anybody knows how to contact huwang. Hui, if you're still interested in maintaining your packages, please respond. Some of their packages are broken on fedora 31+ due to retired Java dependencies, an

Re: Add a rule to have a compose when Fedora branched

2019-11-14 Thread jkonecny
Release Engineering issue is created and change is proposed. Thanks everyone a lot for your help with the change and with finding the best solution! Jirka On Wed, 2019-11-13 at 12:40 -0800, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 02:59:56PM +0100, jkone...@redhat.com wrote: > > On Wed, 2019

Missing module(platform:f31)

2019-11-14 Thread Josef Ridky
Hi folks, Sorry, if this topic was discussed anytime before. I am hitting issue with my GIMP module in F30+. Most of users reporting the issue with missing module(platform:{30,31}) during update to newer Fedora /removing of some packages. And honestly, I don't know, how is possible, that F30 u

Re: Will orphan packages with NEW F31FTBFS bugs tomorrow

2019-11-14 Thread Ernestas Kulik
On Thu, 2019-11-14 at 10:34 +0100, Ernestas Kulik wrote: > On Thu, 2019-11-14 at 09:08 +, Paul Howarth wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:53:17 +0100 > > Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > gucharmap > > > > Isn't that a core component of Gnome? > > No. > The only thing that really needs it is some g

Re: Will orphan packages with NEW F31FTBFS bugs tomorrow

2019-11-14 Thread Ernestas Kulik
On Thu, 2019-11-14 at 09:08 +, Paul Howarth wrote: > On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:53:17 +0100 > Miro Hrončok wrote: > > gucharmap > > Isn't that a core component of Gnome? No. -- Ernestas Kulik Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems (Core Services/ABRT) Red Hat Czech, s.r.o. __

Re: Will orphan packages with NEW F31FTBFS bugs tomorrow

2019-11-14 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:53:17 +0100 Miro Hrončok wrote: > gucharmap Isn't that a core component of Gnome? Paul. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Co

zathura-{cb,djvu,pdf-mupdf,pdf-poppler,ps}: co-maintainers welcome

2019-11-14 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 20:34:32 +, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > zathura-cb > > zathura-djvu > > zathura-pdf-mupdf > > zathura-pdf-poppler > > zathura-ps > > Thanks very much. I've requested ownership of these packages: > https://pagure.io/releng/issue/9006 All done. I've taken over the tickets too.

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Modules in Non-Modular Buildroot

2019-11-14 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 04:15:57PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 1:24 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 13. 11. 19 18:31, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > Sorry for the long overdue reply here. Answers to your questions are > > > inline. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > On W

Re: Jenkins upgrade to change from fedmsg to fedora-messaging

2019-11-14 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 05:34:40PM +, Sérgio Basto wrote: >BTW , Jenkins was retired from rawhide [1]. >I tried built Jenkins on rawhide but build failed with a lot of missing >packages that are BuildRequires. > > [1]https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/jenkins/c/9e8c8fe1695dbf81

Re: Will orphan packages with NEW F31FTBFS bugs tomorrow

2019-11-14 Thread Joe Orton
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 12:32:29AM +0100, Miro Hroncok wrote: > On 13. 11. 19 21:10, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > libserf > > This one bothers me. It is required by subversion and thus transitively by > git, koji and others. > > Joe, I see you have assigned the bugzilla to yourself: > > https://bugzi