Re: Modularity vs. libgit

2019-06-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https

Re: HEADS UP: DynamicBuildRequires are available

2019-06-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
because the Fedora infra was not ready yet. Regards -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en

Re: HEADS UP: DynamicBuildRequires are available

2019-06-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https

Re: HEADS UP: DynamicBuildRequires are available

2019-06-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1286391 Wonderful, that was quick. Just to be clear, does that include copr in addition to koji, or is it limited to koji for now? Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Langpacks and the packages needed to display/input a language

2019-06-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
it), forbidding the kind of app or font referse dep that results in everything depending on everything else. And people have started ignoring those guidelines, with the predicted resulting mess, that is entirely self-inflicted. -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: Modularity vs. libgit

2019-06-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
the same code. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelin

Re: New Go Packaging Guidelines landed in rawhide (koji) today

2019-06-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
or not. The change page is up to date, it’s the most recent rewrite) Sincerely, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https

New Go Packaging Guidelines landed in rawhide (koji) today

2019-06-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
is a technology preview for now. Best regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List

Re: RFC: Multiple parallel side tags

2019-06-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
s, because free software means pervasive code reuse, apps ends up being deployed together, and un-sharing generates collisions / API incompatibilities / behaviour incompatibilities / config file incompatibilities / un-adressed security issues? What makes it possible in modules but not in side tags?

Re: Fedora 31 System-Wide Change proposal: Switch RPMs to zstd compression

2019-05-31 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
ng which is also killing us hosting side, now that many ”source” archives are generated on-the-fly, and the on-the-fly compression method is not stable over time. Someday the technical debt will reach such levels, the whole package creation and distribution toolch

Re: Fedora 31 System-Wide Change proposal: Switch RPMs to zstd compression

2019-05-31 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
packaging starts with a long list of “you could do X, but it’s not available yet, use Y instead”. Who actually expects to attract new contributors this way? -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe s

Re: Upgrade to F30 gone wrong

2019-05-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le May 6, 2019 4:29:22 PM UTC, Chris Murphy a écrit : >On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:52 AM Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> >> Le dimanche 05 mai 2019 à 16:14 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit : >> > >> > Right and that's the same with beta testing, which is how bugs like

Re: Upgrade to F30 gone wrong

2019-05-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
users, but rawhide users feedback is not taken into account by installer folks because they don't look at boot problems before quite late in the cycle, when rawhide users have already moved on manually, and the default solution is always to reinstall from scratch. So problems are found, just not fi

Re: Upgrade to F30 gone wrong

2019-05-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le dimanche 05 mai 2019 à 12:33 -0400, Steve Grubb a écrit : > On Sunday, May 5, 2019 11:39:50 AM EDT Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: > > It would be nice to have a robust upgradeable bootloader setup. I'm > > pretty > > sure that ranks before having a pretty fli

Re: Upgrade to F30 gone wrong

2019-05-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
go a long way to make this all less a PITA. Fedora has been doing incompatible bootloader changes every few years for as long as I remember -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email

Re: dropping autogenerated dependency on pkg-config

2019-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 19:59 +0200, Dridi Boukelmoune a écrit : > On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 1:45 PM Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: > > Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 12:04 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit : > > > On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 11:04, Nicolas Mailhot v

Re: dropping autogenerated dependency on pkg-config

2019-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le vendredi 03 mai 2019 à 12:04 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit : > On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 11:04, Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: > [..] > > You're assuming the only use is roolback. It's not > > Point taken. Can you shortly describe other use cases? You use apps in o

Re: dropping autogenerated dependency on pkg-config

2019-05-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
act a centralised system like koji or IPS. You're assuming the only use is roolback. It's not -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of C

Re: dropping autogenerated dependency on pkg-config

2019-05-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le mercredi 01 mai 2019 à 13:12 +0100, Tomasz Kłoczko a écrit : > On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 09:04, Nicolas Mailhot < > nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote: > [..] > > > One of those specs is elfutils.spec in which is: > > > > > > %check > > > # Recor

Re: dropping autogenerated dependency on pkg-config

2019-05-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
lfutils.spec in which is: > > %check > # Record some build root versions in build.log > uname -r; rpm -q glibc Funny; that’s pretty much https://github.com/rpm-software-management/rpm/issues/607 that upstream does not want to acknowledge. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: Orphaning js-jquery

2019-04-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
d” endeavours which delegate hard problems to a backbone starved of investments and resources. This is not healthy or sustainable. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedor

Re: Orphaning js-jquery

2019-04-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
the same thing as “it may be technically possible, if you work hard at it”. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://get

Re: announcing HTTPS pushing to dist-git/src.fedoraproject.org for packagers and non-packagers

2019-04-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
pagure commits dwarfs the numer of src.fedoraproject.org commits Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://get

Re: Fedora modularity and cyclic dependencies

2019-04-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
And of course, the seed is not technically required, everything could be done with a generic * chain build * chain build remainer with bootstrap * chain build bootstrapped builds normally * chain build everything The seed just saves days of processing build farm side -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: Fedora modularity and cyclic dependencies

2019-04-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
gic still works. And even if it still works the whole process takes days/weeks (depending if you do it on a fast build farm or not, depending if you do all build arches or not) THAT’s what bootstraping means in a Go context. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ dev

Re: auto-starting libvirtd on Workstation

2019-04-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t is very convenient. You set the hypervisor to save vm state on shutdown, and autorestart all the vms that were running next boot, and you don't need to bother about the hybernation vs sleep vs shutdown nonsense anymore. It just works -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: Fedora modularity and cyclic dependencies

2019-04-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
definition within Fedora. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https

Re: How to bootstrap a set of packages?

2019-04-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
e nice if one of the official mock chain builder grew the same capabilities Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot mass-rebuild.sh Description: application/shellscript ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to de

Re: How to bootstrap a set of packages?

2019-04-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
for EL7. Il will do that soon, if nothing else eats my time Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://ge

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
p all the desired policy constrains. Simple direct setups are easy. Declining them to the level of complexity of modern IT without losing ground is hard. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
d execution error due to 'exit 0' a few > > lines below it. > > Just out of curiosity, why does a web browser need a daily chrome > job? Probably a check-for-updates or download white/black lists thing. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ dev

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t a better java alternative setup, but it will be a lot of work, with a lot of constrains (one of those, being able to upgrade existing setups to the new system gracefully) -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscrib

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
review all the alternative rules and fix up all the warts that crept in since Java 1.3 times (back in my day, once you got alternatives to work for a new jdk, you tried very hard to forget the experience). Certainly, all the standardizing on openjdk after SUN sank should have simplified the mess a little.

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
good proeminent systemd documentation, that causes third party projects to kludge, and gave up on things they do not understand. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.

Re: Fedora Packaging Location & Symlinks Question

2019-03-28 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
share java code. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guideli

Re: New Golang Packaging Guidelines: Feedback needed and appreciated

2019-03-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
oduces binaries that need to be deployed somewhere on the filesystem (but once compiled, there is no specific difference between a Go or a C binary from a packaging POW, so you won't find long Go-binary specific explanations here). -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ dev

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
compose many different shell snippets (either via packaging guidelines or via rpm macros). Very rigid systems that assume things are exactly one way, without variation, tend to compose badly. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
e, so whatever actually happens is up to Fedora and Red Hat/IBM leadership. I certainly hope that someone within Fedora instances alerted the main sponsor that things were starting to burn. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fed

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2019-03-27 03:46, Nico Kadel-Garcia a écrit : On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 3:44 AM Nicolas Mailhot wrote: POSIX is dead as a shell compatibility target. You want to replace bash with something faster, by all means do it. With something that includes the GNU extensions like pushd/popd

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
le subset. You want something faster than bash – write something faster than bash with as expressive a syntax (and ideally the same syntax). Winning CPU time by consuming packager time is not going to work. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel m

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
does a full scan, but I'd bet if you're writing *really* complex stuff there, you've probably already moved that to a packaged script that's executed as part of the scriptlet instead.) Or you used macros. That will inject shell snippets right and left. -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
was introduced. We (Fedora) were enthusiastic. As problematic as maven is, the alternatives (osgi, manual classpaths in shell scripts) were much worse. Which tells a lot about Java community values :( Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2019-03-26 12:29, Dridi Boukelmoune a écrit : On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:43 AM Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le 2019-03-25 22:47, Japheth Cleaver a écrit : > If you can take a one-time hit to > remove bashisms and get a 25-40% improvement, CPU time is cheap, packager time is not. Exchangi

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
rust/C/whatever would be faster". And, actually, if you wanted to make builds faster, working with upstreams to replace their makefiles with something more modern is likely to give better results. GNU Make is known to be slow and to consume an awful lot of shell bits.

Re: More than 10% of all Fedora spec files are not POSIX sh compliant

2019-03-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https

Re: Deciding on Fedora Go (Golang) packaging future

2019-03-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject

Deciding on Fedora Go (Golang) packaging future

2019-03-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t fix the consequences of past errors, just prevent new ones ² And, jchaloup had facilities others do not have (working @rh, trusted by the Fedora golang maintainer, owning many key packages). -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fed

Re: Debian and Fedora distro development

2019-03-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
that need revamping now¹ to keep an attractive contributor experience), but the actual list is not the same ¹ As opposed to “somewhat in the future” that tends to become “never” in a mature organisation. When it reaches “never” the organisation starts dying -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: F31 System-Wide Change proposal: BuildRequires Generators

2019-03-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
, a mix of all of those, whatever works for the spec writer) -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code

Re: Idea to add defaultfont(:lang=xx) rpm Provides to default font packages

2019-02-21 Thread nicolas . mailhot
are easier to work from. IMHO this is a broken setup and local Fedora groups should take responsibility for the default fonts to install in their locale but they never stepped up to the task Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel

Re: F31 System-Wide Change proposal: BuildRequires Generators

2019-02-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
not scale past a certain amount of dep and dep changes that need managing Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Condu

Re: F30 change, bootloaderspec by default

2019-02-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ntu advice that says "rm grubenv grub-editenv grubenv" You try it. That fails. You intuit the Fedora incantation uses grub2 not grub. You type it. No error You ask dnf the kernel. That works! The kernel scriptlet is happy and does not error out anymore Reboot. BOO

Re: Orphaned packages that will be retired (and everything will most likely burn)

2019-02-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
and their maintainers stopped building them for Everything? Yes The main Fedora maintainer mass-orphaned dozens of core java packages to move his activity into a module. So pretty much any package that needs a java stack in Fedora in DOA now Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: F30 change, bootloaderspec by default

2019-02-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2019-02-11 21:39, Chris Murphy a écrit : On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:14 PM Nicolas Mailhot wrote: That was during dnf update to the result of the latest rawhide mass rebuild, on two UEFI systems, one initially installed in september 2015, the other in january 2019, with whatever was most

Re: Orphaned packages that will be retired (and everything will most likely burn)

2019-02-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ul reusable packages and becomes useless? -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html Li

Re: F30 change, bootloaderspec by default

2019-02-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 11 février 2019 à 12:52 -0700, Chris Murphy a écrit : > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:40 AM Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: > > Le 2019-02-10 20:05, Chris Murphy a écrit : > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 1:08 AM Javier Martinez Canillas > > > Between this feature for F3

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-02-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
retries before dnf gives up. So the raw stat number is heavily skewed against counting actual copr build failures. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le

Re: F30 change, bootloaderspec by default

2019-02-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
erating the env file and fixing the error in 1. 8. the result is unbootable, it will miss the kernelopts line in the file the EFI bootloader reads. No kernelopts line, no root to pivot to in initramfs Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel m

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-02-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
iatives like MBI, contribute to "Friends" excellence, is not some form of weird request, it's a survival requirement for Fedora as a project. That is, as long as Friends is supposed to be a core value and a core differentiator of the Fedora proposition. -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-02-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
, with bootstrapping phases, having something failing in the middle is not just an annoyance, it often means restarting the full plan from scratch, because trying to salvage the result manually is just too much work Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: MBI (Playground 2.0)

2019-01-31 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ms involved in building the complex highly modularized stuff package projects output nowadays, without the two months of review getting each spec audited separately would entail. Our main infra and main administrative processes just don't scale. -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: MongoDB Removal

2019-01-29 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2019-01-29 13:47, Florian Weimer a écrit : * Nicolas Mailhot: Le 2019-01-29 11:39, Miro Hrončok a écrit : This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as python-pymongo). The change should explain if other

Re: F30 Self-Contained Change proposal: MongoDB Removal

2019-01-29 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Fedora endorses (or not). Starting with repo management, since any entity that wants to set up a private infra as clearing room before contributing to Fedora, will need one of those Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel

Re: langpacks (Re: F30 System-Wide Change proposal: Replace Comps Language Group With Langpacks)

2019-01-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
dependent resources is extremely rare. It is not, people who create container or vm images will always try to optimize away the languages they don’t use themselves, so the consumers of those images have to reinject their own language support post-install Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID

2019-01-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
it, it’s *your* problem if it’s misused, you can not make it available on a platter for others to do evil things with and claim it’s those people’s problem. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send

Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID

2019-01-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2019-01-08 13:42, Kevin Kofler a écrit : Nicolas Mailhot wrote: 1. it needs to be opt-out not opt-in (ie an explicit question in the installer, with no tracking unless the user says yes) I think you mean "opt-in not opt-out". (At least, that's what your explanation in the p

Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID

2019-01-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2019-01-08 12:33, Miroslav Suchý a écrit : Dne 08. 01. 19 v 11:35 Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): *which* *do* *not* *permit* *or* *no* *longer* *permit* *the* *identification* *of* *data* *subjects* How do you identify data subject solely on UUID? Art 26 makes it pretty clear that reversing

Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID

2019-01-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
pseudonymisation, which could be attributed to a natural person by the use of additional information should be considered to be information on an identifiable natural person. ” -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID

2019-01-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraprojec

Re: F30: System-Wide Change proposal: DNF UUID

2019-01-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
public legally binding and easy to find document And I strongly suggest a review by European privacy experts, since the level of awareness on this kind of things in the USA is pretty low. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel

Re: Minimum fonts required for Fedora en_US

2018-12-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
not care about coverage), but it will almost certainly be unsatisfactory in some cases. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct

Re: How to avoid re-generating Pagure API keys all the time?

2018-12-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
new issues no one wants to work on or look at. Already doing too much of that lately. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code

Re: Proposal: Move to an annual platform release starting at F30

2018-11-29 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
whatever. We really need to evolve our tooling from "packages can be handled independently in reviews, builds, and pushes, coordinated changes are the exception" to "we manage sets of packages by default, single-package changes are just set ch

Re: Last dbus upgrade issues

2018-11-28 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
to login to a shell, so this one might be configuration specific. I had it too, forcing boot in rescue mode is not the same thing as switching to a console (it requires access to the bootloader menu) -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel

Re: Last dbus upgrade issues

2018-11-28 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
or fast, if problem remediation, is not built in the boot process in the first place. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-28 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t;, spend months QAing, and then get told you didn't choose the right starting point won't fly with them. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org F

Re: Proposal: Faster composes by eliminating deltarpms and using zchunked rpms instead

2018-11-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ging storage. So you absolutely need to keep staging storage on par or less than existing rpm/dnf if you do not want to obsolete classes of Fedora hardware. And Google released a huge quantity of cheap storage-deficient hardware with its chromebooks. People do install Fedora on those. -- Nic

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 19 novembre 2018 à 11:27 -0800, Japheth Cleaver a écrit : > On 11/16/2018 3:19 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > Really, if there is one distro component we should backport to el > > and > > all release streams, that's rpm + all Fedora macro packages, no

Re: Proposal: Faster composes by eliminating deltarpms and using zchunked rpms instead

2018-11-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Storage would not be such a problem is dnf was smart enough to auto partition big upgrades in lots of small partial upgrades, before downloading gigs of data that do not fit on disk. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing lis

Re: Proposal: Faster composes by eliminating deltarpms and using zchunked rpms instead

2018-11-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
they use. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ct people that say distro packaging sucks loads, are not dead wrong. They're too prideful to put forward the thousand of rpm papercuts that made them look for something else, real men (and women) do not complain about papercuts, but those papercuts exist beneath the showy bogus arguments they usua

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 16 novembre 2018 à 11:37 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > iable, and checking those in the installer) > > * that effectively means: > * the only supported state is the current upgrade tip, > * you have an N-era window where upgrades to the current tip are >

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
term upstream repo that could be imported and completed in a Fedora-side fork. What happened is that the thing you need to snapshot before starting the packaging has become a lot more transient and mutating. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
want to be rid of the deployment chore. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t5 does (see > screenshots above). Nice work on QT’s part, congratulations to everyone who made this happen. It’s been known for years gamma correction was needed for good screen text rendering. I hope other GUI toolkits follow suit quickly. Regards, --

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
g serious photo/video work on them. You want a screen with high scores everywhere you have to pay a pretty penny for it. But, to pore on text all day round and forget about text rendering artifacts they're prefect. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
share their preferences and anyway windows-style rendering was legally encumbered. Since most of them can not imagine others may not share their preferences they concluded it was not the default for legal reasons. But that has never been the only (or principal) reason. Regards, -- Nicolas M

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
iles are pushed upstream. Of course for huge font families split over lots of files the rules can get a lot more complex. There’s at most a handful of those in the distro. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org T

Re: Better fonts by default?

2018-11-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
mented in > https://github.com/silenc3r/fedora-better-fonts will be considered as > defaults? > A lot of this are just individual font packages that just wait for someone to pick up and maintain within Fedora. It does not depend on any fontconfig change Re

Re: Ursa Major (modules in buildroot) enablement

2018-11-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
e does not self-maintain. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.htm

Re: Ursa Major (modules in buildroot) enablement

2018-11-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
tc being none the wiser. Force any bundler dev to actually maintain all the code he ships, and I can assure you, his love affair with bundling will end at once. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraprojec

Re: Ursa Major (modules in buildroot) enablement

2018-11-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
-software-management/rpm/issues/104 That would have a lot more effect on maintainer productivity. Not coincidently, it started with an helper the java SIG wrote an no one ever bothered to integrate infra-side Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list

Re: Ursa Major (modules in buildroot) enablement

2018-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
a flourishing of module versions will hit the “no one’s interested in packaging and QA- ing a miriad versions of the same software” wall. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Enabling powerline theme system wide by default

2018-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le 2018-11-05 11:31, Jonathan Underwood a écrit : On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 09:44, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: If someone wants to do this the font powerline uses should be fixed to used correct unicode point values (and PUA when it include things not standardised by unicode). Otherwise powerline

Re: Need assistance to build LuxCoreRender

2018-11-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 04 novembre 2018 à 11:01 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga a écrit : > On 2018-11-04 4:43 a.m., Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > So, basically you should just need a do2unix and the following lines > > in > > rawhide: > > I have Fedora 29 installed and the above line

Re: Need assistance to build LuxCoreRender

2018-11-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
forgeurl1 https://github.com/%{name}/BlendLuxCore %global tag1blendluxcore_v%{version}%{?prerelease} %forgemeta -a […] Source0:%{forgesource0} Source1:%{forgesource1} […] %prep %forgesetup -a %patch0 -pX -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: Need assistance to build LuxCoreRender

2018-11-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ecause the dos end of lines in your file cause rpmspec to go bonkers $ rpmspec -P luxcorerender.spec 'orgemeta: invalid option -- ' in forgemeta(az:sviu:) error: line 13: %forgemeta -a Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists

Re: Intent to relicense fontpackages

2018-11-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
more or less my understanding too, but it’s nicer to ask. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-co

Re: Use immutable CRAN URLs

2018-11-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
; and directories such as libs and include. Take a look at https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/nim/fontpackages-2/builds/ for an example on how to pass doc wildcards to generic automation macros. (currently polishing it and cross-pollinating with go macros)

Re: Enabling powerline theme system wide by default

2018-11-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
minals Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fe

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