Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-06 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:53 AM Benjamin Berg wrote: > On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 11:07 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > So the last two times thermald was proposed (first as a F32 change > > proposal, then more recently to the Workstation WG) it was rejected on > > the grounds that it was not

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 10:36:59AM +0200, Benjamin Berg wrote: > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 17:48 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 30.06.2020 15:25, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by > > > including thermald in the default install. > >

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-02 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 11:07 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > So the last two times thermald was proposed (first as a F32 change > proposal, then more recently to the Workstation WG) it was rejected on > the grounds that it was not useful without dptfxtract installed. Now > it's clear that

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:49 pm, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/D4FVY3LLMNGUKNUOEIDXNOOAD577W5XN/ None of the comments in that thread support the claim that we cannot ship configuration files generated by

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Michael Catanzaro
So the last two times thermald was proposed (first as a F32 change proposal, then more recently to the Workstation WG) it was rejected on the grounds that it was not useful without dptfxtract installed. Now it's clear that everybody was mistaken about that, so seems it makes sense to

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 30.06.2020 22:38, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > Any references would be very interesting, thanks. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/D4FVY3LLMNGUKNUOEIDXNOOAD577W5XN/ -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 01/07/2020 11:53, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:30:21AM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: So, this was discussed quite a bit in https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/71 and the conclusion that the Workstatopn Working Group came to 3 months ago was that we didn't want to

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:30:21AM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > So, this was discussed quite a bit in > https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/71 and the conclusion that > the Workstatopn Working Group came to 3 months ago was that we didn't > want to do this. We basically understood that main

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-07-01 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 17:48 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 30.06.2020 15:25, Ben Cotton wrote: > > Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by > > including thermald in the default install. > > Good, but thermald is absolutely useless without configs. Configs can

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:40 pm, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: The legal status of the extracted tables was discussed a few months ago with members of the Fedora legal team. You can check archives. I tried:

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 16:14, Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:41 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrote: >> >> On 30.06.2020 19:43, Hans de Goede wrote: >> > That is the first time I have heard that. Do you have a source for that ? >> >> https://github.com/intel/dptfxtract

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:41 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 30.06.2020 19:43, Hans de Goede wrote: > > That is the first time I have heard that. Do you have a source for that ? > > https://github.com/intel/dptfxtract - no sources, only proprietary >

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 30.06.2020 19:43, Hans de Goede wrote: > That is the first time I have heard that. Do you have a source for that ? https://github.com/intel/dptfxtract - no sources, only proprietary binaries. The legal status of the extracted tables was discussed a few months ago with members of the Fedora

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 6/30/20 5:48 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 30.06.2020 15:25, Ben Cotton wrote: Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by including thermald in the default install. Good, but thermald is absolutely useless without configs. Configs can be extracted from

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:10 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 30.06.2020 17:57, Jared Dominguez wrote: > > Something that needs to be cleared up here: thermald has existed for the > > better part of a decade and long before dptfxtract existed. > > Thermald

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 30.06.2020 17:57, Jared Dominguez wrote: > Something that needs to be cleared up here: thermald has existed for the > better part of a decade and long before dptfxtract existed. Thermald will not work without config being installed. You can remove all configs from /etc/thermald and try to

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 30.06.2020 15:25, Ben Cotton wrote: > > Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by > > including thermald in the default install. > > Good, but thermald is absolutely

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 30.06.2020 15:25, Ben Cotton wrote: > Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by > including thermald in the default install. Good, but thermald is absolutely useless without configs. Configs can be extracted from DPTF ACPI tables only with *proprietary* dptfextract

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Owen Taylor
So, this was discussed quite a bit in https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/71 and the conclusion that the Workstatopn Working Group came to 3 months ago was that we didn't want to do this. We basically understood that main way of using thermald was to use the proprietary dptfxtract tool to

Re: Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Igor Raits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 09:25 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThermalManagementWS > > == Summary == > Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by > including > thermald in the default install. I

Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThermalManagementWS == Summary == Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by including thermald in the default install. == Owner == * Name: [[User:benzea| Benjamin Berg]] * Email: bb...@redhat.com * Name: [[User:ckellner| Christian J.

Better Thermal Management for the Workstation - Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal

2020-06-30 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThermalManagementWS == Summary == Better thermal management and peak performance on Intel CPUs by including thermald in the default install. == Owner == * Name: [[User:benzea| Benjamin Berg]] * Email: bb...@redhat.com * Name: [[User:ckellner| Christian J.