Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it >> should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum- >> presto. For me, it's much fas

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 15:35 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 10:51:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe > > > it > > > should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum- > > > pre

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 10:51:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it > > should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum- > > presto. For me, it's much faster to just download packages than to rebuild

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 06:54 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: > On 10/05/2011 01:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > > (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe > > > it > > > should even be disabled by default.

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 10/05/2011 01:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum- presto. For me, it's much faster to just downlo

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 18:11 +0200, drago01 wrote: > So I don't get what this flamefest is all about ... catching up on the thread at a remove of a couple of weeks, I'd say mostly it's about giant, swingingegos. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it > should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum- > presto. For me, it's much faster to just download packages than to rebuild > them from de

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 18:11 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:46 PM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Kevin Kofler > > wrote: > >> Matthew Garrett wrote: > >>> Debian policy is that any virtual dependencies must also have an > >>> explicit dep

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > Can you open a ticket on Red Hat bugzilla please, component "zif" and > attach the output of "zif install paprefs -v" > I've not tested zif on F15 in a lng time and it's probably just a > trivial bug. Thanks. > > Filed : Bug 739701

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 19 September 2011 17:41, Jef Spaleta wrote: > I've installed this zif from koji and I'm still not able to complete a "zif > install paprefs" transaction with realworld F15 configured public repository > set, whereas all the yum based tools: yum. repoquery etc... complete as > expected. > Guys w

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:51:29PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: > I wouldn't have thought that. I would have thought that if the > Requires was already satisfied by phonon-backend-xine, that processing > would stop there. You have no need for suggests or recommends either > one when the depende

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: > > Why don't you just replace rpm, with deb too, while you are at it ? > * Because dpkg is missing essential RPM features (e.g. file and soname dependencies). * Because replacing RPM essentially means creating a new distribution, whereas the depsolver can be ea

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

- Original Message - > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:51:26AM -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: > > Kevin Kofler wrote on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:02:26PM +0200: > > > Michael Schroeder wrote: > > > > Sounds like you want weak dependencies (i.e. "Suggests" et al). > > > > > > In this case, I think d

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Richard Hughes wrote: > > Naa, try the version of zif in F16, or grab the latest upstream SRPM > > and rebuild it for f15 from here: > > http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/fedora/15/SRPMS/ > > I submitted a Koji scratch build of zif-0.2.

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05:47AM -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: > Matthew Garrett wrote on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 05:00:28PM +0100: > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:51:26AM -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: > > > Kevin Kofler wrote on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:02:26PM +0200: > > > > Michael Schroeder wrote: >

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05:47AM -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: > I see. So 'Suggests' means it gets automatically installed (unless it > explicitly conflicts with something already install I presume?), but > can be removed without breaking the package it was brought in for > (unless no other packa

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:46 PM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> Debian policy is that any virtual dependencies must also have an >>> explicit dependency. In your case it would be something like >>> >>> Requires:

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Matthew Garrett wrote on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 05:00:28PM +0100: > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:51:26AM -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: > > Kevin Kofler wrote on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:02:26PM +0200: > > > Michael Schroeder wrote: > > > > Sounds like you want weak dependencies (i.e. "Suggests" et al). >

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:51:26AM -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:02:26PM +0200: > > Michael Schroeder wrote: > > > Sounds like you want weak dependencies (i.e. "Suggests" et al). > > > > In this case, I think disjunctive dependencies (default | virtua

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Kevin Kofler wrote on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:02:26PM +0200: > Michael Schroeder wrote: > > Sounds like you want weak dependencies (i.e. "Suggests" et al). > > In this case, I think disjunctive dependencies (default | virtual), as > Matthew Garrett pointed out, are the right solution, not soft de

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Garrett wrote: >> Debian policy is that any virtual dependencies must also have an >> explicit dependency. In your case it would be something like >> >> Requires: phonon-backend-gstreamer | phonon-backend > > Unfortunately, RPM does no

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 01:00:35PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Debian policy is that any virtual dependencies must also have an > > explicit dependency. In your case it would be something like > > > > Requires: phonon-backend-gstreamer | phonon-backend > > Unfortunatel

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Michael Schroeder wrote: > Sounds like you want weak dependencies (i.e. "Suggests" et al). In this case, I think disjunctive dependencies (default | virtual), as Matthew Garrett pointed out, are the right solution, not soft dependencies (though those would also be nice). Kevin Kofler -

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Matthew Garrett wrote: > Debian policy is that any virtual dependencies must also have an > explicit dependency. In your case it would be something like > > Requires: phonon-backend-gstreamer | phonon-backend Unfortunately, RPM does not support this idiom. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 02:40:30AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > The use case I have in mind, which is a real-world case, is this: > phonon Requires: phonon-backend > phonon-backend-* Provides: phonon-backend > phonon-backend-* Requires: phonon > I want any random phonon-backend-* to satisfy the dep

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 19 September 2011 01:46, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Well, looks like we also need a rebuild of PackageKit-zif against the new > soname (libzif.so.3, the package in F15 is built against libzif.so.2), so I > think the repo is the best solution if we want people to be able to test > this. Richard, what

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 02:40:30AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > We really need a way to be able to specify an explicit default which is used > independently of what the user has installed, even if we don't always use it > (I can see the case of gnome-* vs. kde-*); the version number of the > Pr

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

I wrote: > Richard Hughes wrote: >> Naa, try the version of zif in F16, or grab the latest upstream SRPM >> and rebuild it for f15 from here: >> http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/fedora/15/SRPMS/ > > I submitted a Koji scratch build of zif-0.2.4-0.78.20110918git for F15: > http://koji.fedo

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Björn Persson wrote: > Do you actually mean that you would prefer a package manager that always > chooses the same package regardless of what the user has already > installed? If Gizmo requires frobnicator, which is provided by both > Gnome-frobnicator and KDE-frobnicator, and the user has only ins

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Richard Hughes wrote: > Naa, try the version of zif in F16, or grab the latest upstream SRPM > and rebuild it for f15 from here: > http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/fedora/15/SRPMS/ I submitted a Koji scratch build of zif-0.2.4-0.78.20110918git for F15: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/ta

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 18 September 2011 19:22, Panu Matilainen wrote: > I'm talking about means of having all the rpm-related tools use the same > abstract dependency resolution algorithm though an API. Whether that is > /in/ rpm, or something that rpm itself /uses/ (and possibly further > exports via its own API) i

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/18/2011 08:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/17/2011 01:02 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: >> On 16 September 2011 20:02, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> Is Zif a SAT solver? >> No, but I've been playing a few times with libsatsolver in the past year or >> so. > > Since Panu Matilainen has said

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/17/2011 01:02 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 16 September 2011 20:02, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> Is Zif a SAT solver? > No, but I've been playing a few times with libsatsolver in the past year or > so. Since Panu Matilainen has said that he is willing to merge in a depsolver in RPM direc

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 17 September 2011 23:06, Jef Spaleta wrote: > zif as packaged in F15 is returning with Zif in F15 is a really old version, and F16 is the first release where I'm going to support zif. The latest upstream release is 0.2.3 and I think the version in F15 is much older than that IIRC. > I was hop

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > But putting that aside for a minute. I'm interested in asking zif a series > of more complicated real world Fedora repository questions to get a better > understanding how your chosen scoring rules currently work in practise. > > zif as pack

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 16 September 2011 20:46, Jef Spaleta wrote: > >> Are you sure you didn't cut it down so much that you are hiding problems > >> that your depsolving rules don't solve well? Did you throw out > someone's > >> baby with all that bathwate

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/17/2011 05:58 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On 09/17/2011 07:53 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: >> The near-flamefest on this thread over whose depsolver is the best is >> largely besides the point: in a perfect world there would be just one >> Grand Unified Depsolver (library) that everything i

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/17/2011 07:53 PM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > The near-flamefest on this thread over whose depsolver is the best is > largely besides the point: in a perfect world there would be just one > Grand Unified Depsolver (library) that everything including rpm itself > would use. And in order for rpm

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/16/2011 11:53 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:49:36 -0400, SV (seth) wrote: > >> There are still a largish number of packages out there that have things >> like: >> >> Requires: foo >> >> where they really want: >> Requires: foo(64bit) > > Fixing this in some packages is

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Kevin Kofler wrote: > The yum default provider picking logic has become so complex (and dependent > on what the user happens to have already installed!) [...] > And while making a decision based on what > the user has already installed may make sense from a user's perspective, > from a developer's

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/17/2011 06:44 PM, Michael Schroeder wrote: > libzypp is actually a library on top of libsatsolver (now renamed to > libsolv). If you want a lightweight package dependency solver you > should probably use libsolv directly. (It also contains python > bindings and a simple python demo program wh

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 17 September 2011 13:56, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Richard Hughes wrote: > And Python too, I suppose? Sure. I'd welcome any python dudes to write a small program in examples/ just to test if the GIR annotations are complete enough. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org htt

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 03:38:55AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > If you have decided you are going to do something different with Zif > > anyway, you might as well as work with the zypper team and see whether > > you can make something out of it. So much of what we do in F

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Richard Hughes wrote: > On 17 September 2011 11:59, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> ...I think the problem PackageKit is facing is also true for other tools. > > I agree. I've just merged the GIR generation into master, so hopefully > it would be possible to do things like use Zif from PHP and Javascri

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 17 September 2011 11:59, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I think zif needs to be command line compatible and support delta RPMs The former should work pretty well. If I've missed any obvious aliases yell and I'll add them. The latter is 80% implemented, but I don't use delta-rpms myself and it was lef

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/17/2011 04:50 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > While I think Fedora would benefit from using zif throughout (mainly because > it's in a compiled language, not in Python), I don't agree that this should > be a requirement for using zif in PackageKit. PackageKit should use what is > best suited for

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Adding a conflicts to yum against zif was a inappropriate use of > conflicts and must have been resolved in a better way. The animosity > between people working on competing solutions is leading to a proposal > which really wouldn't fly. Having said that, I think zif need

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/17/2011 06:22 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > It's quite funny that you're accusing Richard of being incompatible with yum > when the incompatibilities that matter most to our users have been required > by yum developers, in particular: > * no writing to the yum database by default, > * no parsin

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 17 September 2011 11:05, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I don't mind as long as it's callable from other languages (either > using generated bindings like GIR or using hand written bindings). I've just pushed: commit 4132eb5a40e1a6a85358e96f7adfd3cf56e8ef3f Author: Richard Hughes Date: Sat Se

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:54:35AM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 17 September 2011 10:38, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Yeah, it looks possible. > > The very fact that you're exposing a C API and a library is a > > promising start, even if it didn't yet do specifically what I needed. > > Woul

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Richard Hughes wrote: > Anyway, if anyone wants to know the fesco ticket, it's here: > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/669 Thanks for actually posting the link! To Seth: What a bunch of nonsense! This is a more serious proposal: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ZifByDefaultForDeskt

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 17 September 2011 10:38, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Yeah, it looks possible. > The very fact that you're exposing a C API and a library is a > promising start, even if it didn't yet do specifically what I needed. Would it be easier if I provided a GIR file so you can just use gobject-introspe

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

I meant to add this link to the current Python-subprocess code: http://git.annexia.org/?p=febootstrap.git;a=blob;f=src/febootstrap_yum_rpm.ml;h=028492a0d3c894e7cb2c85b446f6bff272217147;hb=HEAD#l35 Note the extra backslashes and double %%'s are because the Python code is contained in a printf-lik

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:08:24AM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 17 September 2011 07:21, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > ... and no way to access yum information from anything other than > > Python, which makes it harder to use more professional programming > > languages and yum data together.

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 17 September 2011 07:21, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > ... and no way to access yum information from anything other than > Python, which makes it harder to use more professional programming > languages and yum data together.  I had to write a whole bit of code > that spawned a Python process to g

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 17 September 2011 02:36, Kevin Kofler wrote: > So you came up with this really complex heuristic in a vain attempt to > always do the right thing without requiring changes to the packages, and now > it does a completely wrong thing which would be straightforward to avoid, > and suddenly it's th

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 02:52:58AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > seth vidal wrote: > > That you've implemented a depsolver for use with PK that does not match > > yum nor anaconda is pretty bad. You've chosen intentional > > incompatibility. That's neither helpful nor really embodying the goals I >

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/17/2011 07:08 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ra > Unfortunately, zypp has some design flaws of its own. In particular, it > spawns the rpm command line as an external process for some operations > instead of using librpm as it's supposed to (yet other operations use the > library). Nothing tha

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Rahul Sundaram wrote: > If you have decided you are going to do something different with Zif > anyway, you might as well as work with the zypper team and see whether > you can make something out of it. So much of what we do in Fedora is > built around yum though and I don't know what you have plan

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

seth vidal wrote: > 2. a satsolver is going to require changing around how we truck the > repodata around a good bit. Yet zypp works fine with the same metadata format we use and using a SAT solver… Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorapr

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: >> Installing 205 new i686 packages when updating the system is not >> acceptable. > > I agree with that. The cases where that occurs are all tied up in > insufficiently specified requirements. So you came up with this r

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Richard Hughes > wrote: >>> I think I'm going to suggest to fesco that all non-yum depsolvers be >>> removed from the distribution. It just creates more work than it does >>> value. >> >> Ha! That's really funny, and it's just made my eveni

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

seth vidal wrote: > That you've implemented a depsolver for use with PK that does not match > yum nor anaconda is pretty bad. You've chosen intentional > incompatibility. That's neither helpful nor really embodying the goals I > like to think of in fedora. It's quite funny that you're accusing Ric

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/17/2011 01:02 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > SAT is pretty awesome, and there are some pretty clever guys who have > got it to work really well with zypp. I can't say I understand all the > subtle nuances, but it's clearly better than an iterative depsolver > with random rules to steer things in

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 09/16/2011 08:49 PM, seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 18:26 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: >> The current logic where yum wants to install a hundred i686 >> packages on my x86_64 box when the repos get a bit screwy doesn't >> seem to work very well in my opinion. > > There are still a la

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:49:36 -0400, SV (seth) wrote: > There are still a largish number of packages out there that have things > like: > > Requires: foo > > where they really want: > Requires: foo(64bit) Fixing this in some packages is not entirely easy. Why? Because whereas the %{name}%{?_isa}

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > There's really nothing special about a package manager I assure you. Assuming, for a moment, that You; Seth and I are all equally experienced in package management and that while you would "assure" that, we would ... not. Given that, I'

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > > I'm assuming you've done this already. are there particular test > > transactions where yum comes up with a different solution than zif using > > your cutdown repodata that you would like to draw my attention to? > > No, I've not, but I

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 16 September 2011 20:46, Jef Spaleta wrote: >> Are you sure you didn't cut it down so much that you are hiding problems >> that your depsolving rules don't solve well?   Did you throw out someone's >> baby with all that bathwater? Perhaps I did; the tests were made intentionally simple. > If

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > The transactions are all taken in spirit from real problems, but made > as simple as possible. The repodata is all cut down to the bare > minimum. > > Uhm your repomd.xml in your repodata directory in git appears to have the wrong sha256 ch

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > >> >> The transactions are all taken in spirit from real problems, but made >> as simple as possible. The repodata is all cut down to the bare >> minimum. >> >> > Are you sure you

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > The transactions are all taken in spirit from real problems, but made > as simple as possible. The repodata is all cut down to the bare > minimum. > > Are you sure you didn't cut it down so much that you are hiding problems that your deps

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 16 September 2011 20:32, Jef Spaleta wrote: > local: the package installed Yup, the "installed" store. > remote: the available provider(s) that satify the transaction requirements? The packages available in remote stores. > transaction: command performed Yup. > config: system state like w

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 16 September 2011 20:02, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Is Zif a SAT solver? No, but I've been playing a few times with libsatsolver in the past year or so. > We could really use a SAT solver to replace the current yum depsolver. SAT is pretty awesome, and there are some pretty clever guys who

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > This is what I've come up with already: > https://github.com/hughsie/zif/tree/master/data/tests/transactions > > Okay just to make sure I understand what the manifest info is local: the package installed remote: the available provider(s)

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 16 September 2011 20:07, Jef Spaleta wrote: > A methodology I could use to then verify suboptimal performance of any number > of depsolving policies for myself in my own testing. This is what I've come up with already: https://github.com/hughsie/zif/tree/master/data/tests/transactions Richard

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:10 AM, seth vidal wrote: > As a point of fact we added a depsolving plugin hook for > compare_providers over a year ago into the yum codebase. > > Specifically so anyone could do fun and exciting additions to > compare_providers and/or request user input on the decisions

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 11:07 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > > > And since we seem to only be talking about optimization of policy > rules (which could and probably should equally apply to all depsolvers > in Fedora) shouldn't it be possible to encode your possibly more > optimal policy rules as a

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 20:02 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Is Zif a SAT solver? > > We could really use a SAT solver to replace the current yum depsolver. no, it is not a satsolver. 1. a satsolver is not the panacea that is purported to be - you end up with some funny resolutions that do s

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > That's nonsense, sorry. Zif is quite capable of using the same > metadata as yum and performing the same function with the same set of > packages. > > It's also capable of making different decisions? Isn't that your point? So far I get the

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 01:43:53PM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:31 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > > On 16 September 2011 17:36, seth vidal wrote: > > >> Here is how yum does comparison between multiple package pro

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:48 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > 2011/9/16 Miloslav Trmač : > > How about the 1126 members of the "packager" group - i.e. most of us - > > that would have to create and maintain packages compatible with two > > different systems? > > That's nonsense, sorry. Zif is quite c

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:42 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 16 September 2011 18:43, seth vidal wrote: > > having different tools is not acceptable. Especially when one of them is > > not even remotely covering the use cases of our actual users. > > Installing 205 new i686 packages when updatin

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011/9/16 Miloslav Trmač : > How about the 1126 members of the "packager" group - i.e. most of us - > that would have to create and maintain packages compatible with two > different systems? That's nonsense, sorry. Zif is quite capable of using the same metadata as yum and performing the same func

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: >> I think I'm going to suggest to fesco that all non-yum depsolvers be >> removed from the distribution. It just creates more work than it does >> value. > > Ha! That's really funny, and it's just made my evening. While you're > asking fesco,

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 16 September 2011 18:43, seth vidal wrote: > having different tools is not acceptable. Especially when one of them is > not even remotely covering the use cases of our actual users. Installing 205 new i686 packages when updating the system is not acceptable. > I think I'm going to suggest to

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 19:31 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On 16 September 2011 17:36, seth vidal wrote: > >> Here is how yum does comparison between multiple package providing the > >> same thing: > >> http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/Compare

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 18:26 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 16 September 2011 17:36, seth vidal wrote: > > Here is how yum does comparison between multiple package providing the > > same thing: > > http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/CompareProviders > > I don't think that works for all cases; surely "

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 16 September 2011 17:36, seth vidal wrote: >> Here is how yum does comparison between multiple package providing the >> same thing: >> http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/CompareProviders > In Zif, I'm doing something like: ... I don't particu

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On 16 September 2011 17:36, seth vidal wrote: > Here is how yum does comparison between multiple package providing the > same thing: > http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/CompareProviders I don't think that works for all cases; surely "grid-certificates = 2" wins over "grid-certificates = 1" in all cases

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

On Fri, 2011-09-16 at 11:33 -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: > Hi all, > > Hope it's okay to ask for general RPM/Yum advice here. > > We have several packages that require grid CA certificates to be > installed. There are multiple sets of grid certificates, and we want to > leave up to individual sit

how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

Hi all, Hope it's okay to ask for general RPM/Yum advice here. We have several packages that require grid CA certificates to be installed. There are multiple sets of grid certificates, and we want to leave up to individual sites which set to install. We also want to give the sites the option to i