Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Faisal Anwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm playing around with the clipboard package on sugar and had a quick question. So, the clipboardservice.py file shows some basic api for getting and setting objects on the clipboard through the dbus. However, the

Re: wxWidgets under Sugar?

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Brian Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone already gotten wxWidgets to work with Sugar? If so, that would save me a lot of duplicated effort -- right now, any wxWidgets program I try to run immediately seg faults. Thanks. (This is to help in getting

Re: Autosave in 8.2.0?

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 17.07.2008 um 00:10 schrieb Tomeu Vizoso: Marco has added a session manager to Sugar (in 8.2.0) that takes care of telling activities to save their work because the system is being shut down. Haven't verified if

Re: Report on `views with many icons' profiling

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
This is really awesome, congrats. I would like to know how much time takes every switch (including the redraw), is that 130ms and 170ms? Looks like it should be more to me. Also, would like to see as well a top-down analysis, which are the top 3-5 high level operations that take most CPU? Are

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:11 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree that this is a goal that makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, my experience says that the approach you are suggesting won't be less

Re: Re: Faster Launch of Activities

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:13 AM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 11:47 +0200, riccardo wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 05:01 -0400, Greg Smith wrote: description? It would be useful to see a comparison of build 656 v 703 v 708 v latest joyride. That's a lot so

Re: Quick tabbing profiling (was Re: Report on `activities switching' profiling)

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/7/18 Benjamin Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 12:51 -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: Can someone make sense of this for me? Ben, do you see anything we can optimize here? I've noticed while quick-tabbing on my XO that the gray selection box doesn't usually update as I

pacing oneself

2008-07-19 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
The visual speed of operation of palette opening/closing on the screen is noticeably slower on the OLPC than on a workstation. When the OLPC user fails to slow down with his actions, unintended consequences can result. Was working (Joyride 2177) in Terminal with a removable storage device.

Re: Quick tabbing profiling (was Re: Report on `activities switching' profiling)

2008-07-19 Thread Benjamin Berg
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 12:18 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 2008/7/18 Benjamin Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We may need a more complicated scheme to keep track of the activities during tabbing. Much more complicated? Perhaps we should have a TabbingContext class to keep track of these things, so we

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

2008-07-19 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Scott wrote (regarding me booting with the wrong develop.sig on an SD card): Do you normally use a developer key in order to boot -- ie, are you running a joyride build on BB? Is the root problem here, perhaps, that after OFW finds a develop.sig on the SD card which doesn't work, it doesn't

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

2008-07-19 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Mitch wrote: If you hold down the check key while booting, the firmware will give additional information about the boot progress, in both iconic and textual form. I did not realize that. Now that I went searching for this, saw it mentioned in the wiki on the 'XO_Troubleshooting_PowerOn'

Re: Devel Digest, Vol 29, Issue 120

2008-07-19 Thread Jacob Haddon
Forgive my interjection. http://forum.laptop.org is already set up as a forum. While there seem to be more users over at the olpcnews forum, this one is still used for suggestions/help/news, etc. -j -- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:31:24 -0400 From: Eben

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-07-19 Thread Eben Eliason
I can't tell from your wording if you are implying that we will or will not be creating some custom wrappers for the clipboard service. I think we absolutely need them to accomplish several critical clipboard issues (among them, specifying icons, colors, titles, and previews for clippings). In

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Well, we can add some sugar API around the gtk clipboard stuff, but I'm not sure there's a lot of value in there, as the gtk+ API is already quite high level. The problem here is how do we extend the existing X specs to deliver the experience we aim for. Last we talked about it, Marco was opposed

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-19 Thread Erik Garrison
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 03:44:45PM -0400, Ankur Verma wrote: Hello, I am able to receive SMS text messages through a mobile phone intended to be attached to school server. I need to forward this message to a specific XO connected on the jabber server. At this moment, I have the message in

Joyride and microphone

2008-07-19 Thread Robert Myers
I recently upgraded to Joyride and am having trouble with the microphone. In the powerup selftest the microphone works, but the level of the playback is much lower than the powerup chime or the sound sweep test. The microphone does not work in Record or Measure. Version particulars: Firmware

Re: Devel Digest, Vol 29, Issue 122

2008-07-19 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Mikus, Can you file a bug on this (dev.laptop.org) and include steps to reproduce and test? Mark the milestone 8.2.0 and priority High (may be triaged higher if it affects a lot of cases). My impression is its a design improvement (e.g. hour glass cursor) we should target for 9.1.0 but we

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

2008-07-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I am running a joyride build on that system. This whole business of what indicators need to be placed where is a complete mystery to me. That is why I use a permanent SD card, with my develop.sig on that card --

Re: NAND out of space crash (was Display warnings in sugar (Emiliano Pastorino))

2008-07-19 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, Emiliano has an elegant workaround but crashing the XO on NAND full (to un-recoverable state?) is a heinous bug that affects essentially all users. If someone has the bug ID handy can you send it out and mark it a blocker for 8.2.0 (priority = blocker and keyword includes

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-19 Thread Ankur Verma
Hi Erik, Thanks for your help. However, I wish to implement jabber-xo part in sms-jabber-xo for which I will need the list of XOs on server to do local routing to specific XO. Thanks Ankur Verma On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at

Re: electricity table (Google Docs)

2008-07-19 Thread John Watlington
Please don't use information from Potenco, there are too many complications with their design. They assume that the battery being charged can accept all the power their device outputs. If using the crank from Freeplay, It can charge the laptop at 17W (given the user is willing to crank

Re: NAND out of space crash (was Display warnings in sugar (Emiliano Pastorino))

2008-07-19 Thread Erik Garrison
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:47:21AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi All, Emiliano has an elegant workaround but crashing the XO on NAND full (to un-recoverable state?) is a heinous bug that affects essentially all users. If someone has the bug ID handy can you send it out and mark it a

Re: NAND out of space crash (was Display warnings in sugar (Emiliano Pastorino))

2008-07-19 Thread Erik Garrison
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:58:13PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Garrison wrote: | On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:47:21AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: | Hi All, | | Emiliano has an elegant workaround but crashing the XO on NAND full (to |

Re: URL and Integration

2008-07-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 09:31:24PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On the other hand, maybe what we need more is a forum space. You do realize that both forum.laptop.org and the OLPCNews forum have been up and running for months (years?) with thousands of replies? Michael

Re: [sugar] URL and Integration

2008-07-19 Thread Eben Eliason
/me feels silly. =) On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 09:31:24PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On the other hand, maybe what we need more is a forum space. You do realize that both forum.laptop.org and the OLPCNews forum have been

experiencing unexpected OLPC behavior from a misplaced click

2008-07-19 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I posted about an experience I had, where I was surprised to find that my OLPC had become unresponsive. My reason for posting was to alert others that surprises may be lurking for OLPC users. Greg, you quoted my post, and wrote: Can you file a bug on this (dev.laptop.org) and

Re: NAND out of space crash (was Display warnings in sugar (Emiliano Pastorino))

2008-07-19 Thread Erik Garrison
disclaimer. The attached patch is untested and likely insufficient to solve this problem. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 01:39:20PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:58:13PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erik Garrison

Re: Code name for 9.1.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

2008-07-19 Thread pgf
greg wrote: I know that downgrade is hard. The great thing is that the XO supports that very elegantly right now! I don't want to lose that. It saved me once when I upgraded to joyride image without a developer key (doh!) and was locked out. but don't confuse saving yourself

Re: [sugar] Write needs your help (was Re: Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-19 Thread J.M. Maurer
For Firefox, that means (for example) that we can use upstreams Awesome Bar instead of reimplementing our own url completion. For abiword, it means acknowledging that a lot of our initial Tubes port was/is simply unnecessary now that we have a stream-based collaboration mechanism, and we

Re: experiencing unexpected OLPC behavior from a misplaced click

2008-07-19 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But here is a case where I did not wait long enough for the OLPC to draw a pop-up palette, and did not make sure that the cursor was correctly positioned on the appropriate entry in that palette, before I 'clicked'. In

Re: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO

2008-07-19 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 21:41 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Sevior wrote: | Hi Folks, | Just so you know. The only reason for #7447 is because we | haven't put the UI in to enable it. I would like an additional control for

Re: Write needs your help (was Re: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO)

2008-07-19 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 10:16 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Bobby Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc is a bit of a perfectionist so I'm not sure how usable 95% of the work is and whether it could be finished by simply using it and providing bug reports as

Re: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO

2008-07-19 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J.M. Maurer wrote: | Have you used Gobby? It's the shared editor that people at OLPC | _actually_ use, and having per-user background colors is among its key | features. | | Not sure if I read this correctly, but are you implying that Write's |

PlayGo Patches/Commit access

2008-07-19 Thread Andrés Ambrois
Hello all! I've recently started learning python and sugar programming and, while trying to be useful in the meantime, have been tinkering around with the PlayGo activity. I have a few patches that add basic scorekeeping, error messages (like: There already is a stone there!), and small

Re: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO

2008-07-19 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 18:02 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J.M. Maurer wrote: | Have you used Gobby? It's the shared editor that people at OLPC | _actually_ use, and having per-user background colors is among its key | features. | | Not

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

2008-07-19 Thread Mitch Bradley
C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I am running a joyride build on that system. This whole business of what indicators need to be placed where is a complete mystery to me. That is why I use a permanent SD card, with my

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

2008-07-19 Thread John Watlington
While Startup_Diagnosis was the repository for that information in the past, the relevant bits for the vast majority of users/repairpeople have been moved to XO_Troubleshooting_PowerOn and I stopped linking to Startup_Diagnosis (which was left as a developer resource.) Much thanks to the authors

Re: Autosave in 8.2.0?

2008-07-19 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I think that Freedesktop people are moving to a D-Bus based protocol, but don't the status of it. It's actually just GNOME for now... but I'm keeping an eye on it and will add support for that protocol as soon as it's agreed/implemented. Marco

Re: PlayGo Patches/Commit access

2008-07-19 Thread Nate Ridderman
Andrés, Go is one of my favorite games, so I'm excited to see that someone has picked up development again! It requires such balance between aggressiveness and defense, as well as local play vs spreading out on the board - I think it's a great game for kids to learn. I look forward to trying out

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

2008-07-19 Thread John Gilmore
mystery to me. That is why I use a permanent SD card, with my develop.sig on that card -- then if I need to re-flash NAND I don't have to worry about who/how puts a develop.sig file in NAND. Back near Christmas, I put text into the Activation and Developer Keys page recommending that

Re: PlayGo Patches/Commit access

2008-07-19 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Saturday 19 July 2008 21:25:55 Nate Ridderman wrote: Andr�s, Go is one of my favorite games, so I'm excited to see that someone has picked up development again! It requires such balance between aggressiveness and defense, as well as local play vs spreading out on the board - I think it's

Re: PlayGo Patches/Commit access

2008-07-19 Thread Edward Cherlin
2008/7/19 Andrés Ambrois [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello all! I've recently started learning python and sugar programming and, while trying to be useful in the meantime, have been tinkering around with the PlayGo activity. Thanks. I wrote to the American Go Association when we started this

[Server-devel] patched bundles for EduBlog

2008-07-19 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi EduBlog team, have uploaded new 656 bundles for Write and Browse that should be able to respectively import images and upload files regardless of how many files are in the journal: http://dev.laptop.org/~tomeu/Write-54.xo http://dev.laptop.org/~tomeu/Browse-77.xo Note that these bundles

Re: [Server-devel] patched bundles for EduBlog

2008-07-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have uploaded new 656 bundles for Write and Browse that should be able to respectively import images and upload files regardless of how many files are in the journal: Cool - thanks!