Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

chris wrote: > Hi, > >> I'll go on record repeating the comments made earlier. deleting the >> students largest file is probably deleting their most important >> work. > > Of course, it should be only a last resort; I tried to make that clear. > I hope that in 8.2 we'll fix th

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'll go on record repeating the comments made earlier. deleting the | students largest file is probably deleting their most important work. | deleting anything the student made should be a last resort (and should | probably g

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

Hi, > I'll go on record repeating the comments made earlier. deleting the > students largest file is probably deleting their most important > work. Of course, it should be only a last resort; I tried to make that clear. I hope that in 8.2 we'll fix the problem in general, in a way that p

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event > that the datastore is full and we can't boot because of it, by deleting > datastore files largest-first until we cross a threshold of how much > free space is "enough". It c

For review: NAND out of space patch.

Hi, Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event that the datastore is full and we can't boot because of it, by deleting datastore files largest-first until we cross a threshold of how much free space is "enough". It could be incorporated into the Python init process.

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 10:29 -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: > I can go ahead and apply the existing Nokia patch into the 8.2 kernel as > a short-term measure but don't want to arbitrarilly choose a reservation > size. > Dave, do you have a suggestion as to what percentage should be reserved to > kee

Re: NAND out of space crash

I should've said that just removing a couple of useless or easily replaced files -- rather than reflashing -- means that the kids don't lose all their work when the NAND fills up. John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.l

Re: NAND out of space crash

> They are being innundated with "new" problems caused > by full disk (but weren't really aware that was the cause.) > > Since fixes in 8.2 won't help them for months, they need > the short term fix (c). Mitch added Forth words to delete files from the NAND flash, after we had similar troubles af

Re: running speech-dispatcher as non-root using setuid on XO and accompanying security issues

> "HG" == Hemant Goyal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HG> Hi, What is the need for speech-dispatcher to run as root? Is it HG> possible to run it as non-root? We need to modify the HG> speechd.conf files from a non-root program and as such run the HG> speech-dispatcher daemon with

Re: PlayGo Patches/Commit access

Hi Andrés! I'm also a Go player and I'd really love to see this activity improve. Is it already possible to share this activity so that children can play together from two different XOs? I was unable to get this working when I last tried. If this is not possible yet, I think this should be a to

Java and Watch-Listen nonfree

Hi, I am looking for the right rpms to install for the Java plugin java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin For a G1G1 XO-1 build 703, previously advertised method did not work; Also trying to locate watch-listen-nonfree-14.xo The wiki says download it from Helix site, it's not there, the Hleix Community mail

Re: PlayGo Patches/Commit access

Andr�s Ambrois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, I don't own an XO, but I've tried running two sugar-jhbuild instances, > and it works fine. Well, there's no turn enforcement (you can play anywhere > anytime, even if it's the other guys turn), and you can't really tell if > anyone connected

Re: State of 8.2.0, July 21, 2008

> My changes from the last 2 weeks are now in joyride, leaving us 2mb over > target. > I slimmed down 2 more packages today (pam and xorg-x11-utils) which > should bring us to the target. > > We also need to get these package forks into Fedora. I filed a load of > RH bugzilla bugs about them today

Project name : Conozco Uruguay is set up

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:45:51 -0300, "Gabriel Eirea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1. Project name : Conozco Uruguay Done. Your tree is here: git+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/git/activities/conozco-uruguay Please follow instructions here for importing your project: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Importing_your_p

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems like we should be able to produce a upgrade and > customize key that does this in one step, and preserves the > activation key for the laptop. Yes. The issues in the past have just been coordination-related. I

Re: NAND out of space crash

It sounds like you are working on the root causes. Tday I'm hanging out with the logistics/repair team, and the problem is worse than I thought this morning. They are being innundated with "new" problems caused by full disk (but weren't really aware that was the cause.) Since fixes in 8.2 won't h

Re: State of 8.2.0, July 21, 2008

On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 15:36 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > 7319 DBG jcardonaMulticast rx broken in joyride > \ No wireless team members present; we'll > need to get a separate update. I'll have fixed this before I leave tonight. Looks like a number

Reminder: Tuesday Release & Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

Dear world, We should meet tomorrow to discuss release questions and on Wednesday to discuss tickets. I will arrive fifteen minutes early for each of these meetings to finalize the agenda for each; however, here are some tentative items: - For TUESDAY: * Gene

Re: [laptop.org #16813] joyride builds failing due to insufficient space

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Morgan Collett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marc Maurer (uwog) did it. I've asked dgilmore/uwog to untag the new libabiword from the olpc3 branch until the appropriate libabiword-plugins/pyabiword is available, so that libabiword doesn't break our builds in the int

State of 8.2.0, July 21, 2008

The bulk of this report was generated in the July 16, 2008 software status meeting and is therefore several days out of date. Please help update it over the next two days in preparation for our Tuesday and Wednesday meetings! Next, the bottom of the report contains my raw notes on important subsys

Re: dropping mkinitrd from recent Joyrides

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Came across an XO on which 'rpm -q kernel' listed two packages -- > from 0716 and from 0718. Wanted to do 'rpm -e' on the one from > 0716. That failed, because file '/sbin/new-kernel-pkg' could not be > found. Did 'yum

dropping mkinitrd from recent Joyrides

Came across an XO on which 'rpm -q kernel' listed two packages -- from 0716 and from 0718. Wanted to do 'rpm -e' on the one from 0716. That failed, because file '/sbin/new-kernel-pkg' could not be found. Did 'yum install mkinitrd'. Now the 'rpm -e' of the 0716 package worked. mikus __

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A few days ago you were getting a system into a NAND-full state. What > method did you find worked best (cat /dev/urandom >...) ? cat /dev/urandom > /home/olpc/space-filler cat'ing /dev/zero doesn't work nearly as well:

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

J5, We're rebasing OLPC to F9, and are wondering about gnome-vfs2 vs GConf. It looks like you touched upon this area in the past. On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:22 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 02:35:28PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> b) sugar should, ideally, start even if flash is full. It is > >> currently failing when writing to ~olpc/.boot_time or some such, and > >> crashing.

Re: [laptop.org #16813] joyride builds failing due to insufficient space

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 20:29, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> sugar - 0.81.6-4.20080715git8137d5c37f.fc9.i386: Insufficient space >> in download directory >> /home/cscott/public_html/xo-1/streams/joyride/bui

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 20:25 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 20:25 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > In general, gnome is moving away from Bonobo/Orbit toward dbus based >> > messagin

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> b) sugar should, ideally, start even if flash is full. It is >> currently failing when writing to ~olpc/.boot_time or some such, and >> crashing. > > In olpc-utils: usr/bin/olpc-session. This was done for performance >

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 20:25 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In general, gnome is moving away from Bonobo/Orbit toward dbus based > > messaging. > > Yeah, there is no plan yet (that I know of) to replace GConf with > s

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 01:39:25PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are two issues here that we should be sure to not intertwingle: > > > > 1) whatever behavior Sugar may have when low/out of space, during > > operati

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Jul 21 2008, at 13:55, Jim Gettys was caught saying: > > #6480 is fixed as of yesterday, should be in next joyride. > > > > I'll be re-doing Nokia's patches so that they go upstream if we still want > > them after 8.2 is out; however, I don't think the approach used by them > > actually > > h

Re: [laptop.org #16813] joyride builds failing due to insufficient space

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sugar - 0.81.6-4.20080715git8137d5c37f.fc9.i386: Insufficient space > in download directory > /home/cscott/public_html/xo-1/streams/joyride/build2187-20080720_2235/devel_jffs2/install_root/var/cache/yum/olpc_development/pac

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In general, gnome is moving away from Bonobo/Orbit toward dbus based > messaging. Yeah, there is no plan yet (that I know of) to replace GConf with something dbus based though :( Marco __

Re: PlayGo Patches/Commit access

On Monday 21 July 2008 08:50:53 Bastien wrote: > Hi Andr�s! > > I'm also a Go player and I'd really love to see this activity improve. > > Is it already possible to share this activity so that children can play > together from two different XOs? I was unable to get this working when > I last tried

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

In general, gnome is moving away from Bonobo/Orbit toward dbus based messaging. - Jim On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 20:09 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 13:28 -0400, Jim Gettys w

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A number of independent issues here: I have edited http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7125 to clarify the pieces of this bug and to make the component tasks (including #5317) more obvious. I have *not* attempted to set miles

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 13:28 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: >> The bonobo-activation-server likes to chew up 40mb (of RAM), for doing >> almost nothing. > > ORBit doesn't appear to depend on any bonobo components. And we've > succe

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:55 PM, David Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> #6480 is fixed as of yesterday, should be in next joyride. > > Yeah. Since it was purely cosmetic I figured it might as well just wait > to come through 'naturally'. It's not purely cosmetic: in my testing the bogus acc

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 13:28 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: > The bonobo-activation-server likes to chew up 40mb (of RAM), for doing > almost nothing. ORBit doesn't appear to depend on any bonobo components. And we've successfully kicked bonobo out of the build. Daniel

Re: PlayGo Patches/Commit access

On Sunday 20 July 2008 01:14:48 Edward Cherlin wrote: > 2008/7/19 Andrés Ambrois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hello all! > > > > I've recently started learning python and sugar programming and, while > > trying to be useful in the meantime, have been tinkering around with the > > PlayGo activity. > >

Re: Joyride and microphone

Robert Myers wrote: > > Is this a software issue or did my mic die? Things were working before I > upgraded to Joyride. Anything I can do to check? You stated that it work in the ofw selftest so your hardware appears good. > If this is a software issue are there libraries or versions I need to

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 09:51 -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: > On Jul 21 2008, at 13:39, C. Scott Ananian was caught saying: > > > 2) JFFS2's behavior when the file system is almost full. When it gets > > > almost full, it can spend all its time trying to garbage collect, and > > > you can lose complet

Re: NAND out of space crash

Hi, agreed on the action items, not so sure about the roadmap. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:39 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > d) trying to save new content to the journal should also give an > obvious message that the NAND is full. Should the DS also reserve some free space? Reg

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 09:51 -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: > On Jul 21 2008, at 13:39, C. Scott Ananian was caught saying: > > > 2) JFFS2's behavior when the file system is almost full. When it gets > > > almost full, it can spend all its time trying to garbage collect, and > > > you can lose complet

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Jul 21 2008, at 13:39, C. Scott Ananian was caught saying: > > 2) JFFS2's behavior when the file system is almost full. When it gets > > almost full, it can spend all its time trying to garbage collect, and > > you can lose completely (the system sort of gets the "slows", and grinds > > to a ha

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are two issues here that we should be sure to not intertwingle: > > 1) whatever behavior Sugar may have when low/out of space, during > operation, or at boot time. A number of independent issues here: a) the initscrip

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

The bonobo-activation-server likes to chew up 40mb (of RAM), for doing almost nothing. - Jim On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:22 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:00 +0

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > security wizard at OLPC removed that recommendation from the Wiki > page, thus leading to your current troubles. If Mikus had followed your suggestion, we would not have found this (legitimate) bug. Thank you, Mikus. > It

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:00 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> > I guess GConf2-dbus provides an equivalent interface to the GConf2 >> > package and hence is a drop-in replacement. >> >> Oh ok, that make sense and I guess

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:00 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > > I guess GConf2-dbus provides an equivalent interface to the GConf2 > > package and hence is a drop-in replacement. > > Oh ok, that make sense and I guess it's the case here... So do we want to use GConf2-dbus like we did for updat

Re: gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 19:54 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: >> In update.1 we shipped the DBus version of gnome-vfs2 (Nokia patches) >> which didn't bring ORBit in. I'm not sure if that's still the case in >> joyride. > >

gnome-vfs2 / GConf2 / dbus

On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 19:54 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > In update.1 we shipped the DBus version of gnome-vfs2 (Nokia patches) > which didn't bring ORBit in. I'm not sure if that's still the case in > joyride. I looked at the OLPC-2 gnome-vfs2 spec file and I don't see what you mean here.

Re: NAND out of space crash

There are two issues here that we should be sure to not intertwingle: 1) whatever behavior Sugar may have when low/out of space, during operation, or at boot time. 2) JFFS2's behavior when the file system is almost full. When it gets almost full, it can spend all its time trying to garbage colle

Re: NAND out of space crash

I think this is a huge problem. Here in Uruguay they are seeing a flood of machines with this problem, and it will only get worse over time (and we will encounter this in every other deployment soon.) They desperately need a fix... wad On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi All

Re: NAND out of space crash

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:55:52AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi All, > > I found http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7125 which looks like a good place > to track this problem. > > I marked it blocker for 8.2.0. > > Here's what I think we need: > - Sugar GUI always starts, no matter how much space is

Re: NAND out of space crash

Hi All, I found http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7125 which looks like a good place to track this problem. I marked it blocker for 8.2.0. Here's what I think we need: - Sugar GUI always starts, no matter how much space is free on the NAND. - If Sugar starts and you are low on space (exact size tbd)

Re: [sugar] Autosave in 8.2.0?

Am 20.07.2008 um 08:59 schrieb Marco Pesenti Gritti: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: >> Thanks for not answering, > > Hmm? Both Tomeu and me answered. > > http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/016914.html > http://lists.laptop.org/pip

Re: [sugar] Autosave in 8.2.0?

Am 20.07.2008 um 12:27 schrieb Tomeu Vizoso: > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: >> Am 17.07.2008 um 07:37 schrieb Bert Freudenberg: >> >>> Am 17.07.2008 um 00:10 schrieb Tomeu Vizoso: >>> Marco has added a session manager to Sugar (in 8.2.0) th

Fwd: Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group

Forwarding again without the annoying attachment style Forwarded Message From: Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group Date: Mon

Fwd: Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group

Greg rocks! --- Begin Message --- I've already sent this note to a bunch of lists, but this is the list that really counts. You folks are the ones who will make or break this effort. Much of the work that lies before us is exactly the kind of work that all of you have been doing for years no

Report on `switching between activities and the journal'

Hi, Problem: switching between activities and the journal is slow Test-case: the test consist of starting Write and switching between it and the journal for a sensible amount of time. All tests were run on a xo; the journal had 50 entries. Switching was automated by calling shell.activate_next_ac

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > Sorry, but that's untrue, unless your definition of "nothing else" is > "political stuff". My definition of "nothing else" is "nothing else relevant to the claim the poster was making". John was quite aware of the changes to the "pol

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

On 21.07.2008 11:53, Ivan Krstić wrote: > On Jul 19, 2008, at 9:36 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > >> But a certain former >> security wizard at OLPC removed that recommendation from the Wiki >> page, thus leading to your current troubles. >> > > This is untrue; please support your claims with di

Re: PlayGo Patches/Commit access

Hi Andrés! I'm also a Go player and I'd really love to see this activity improve. Is it already possible to share this activity so that children can play together from two different XOs? I was unable to get this working when I last tried. If this is not possible yet, I think this should be a to

joyride builds failing due to insufficient space

Hi, sugar - 0.81.6-4.20080715git8137d5c37f.fc9.i386: Insufficient space in download directory /home/cscott/public_html/xo-1/streams/joyride/build2187-20080720_2235/devel_jffs2/install_root/var/cache/yum/olpc_development/packages to download Regards, Tomeu __

Re: OFW sad face doesn't say why

On Jul 19, 2008, at 9:36 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > But a certain former > security wizard at OLPC removed that recommendation from the Wiki > page, thus leading to your current troubles. This is untrue; please support your claims with diffs. As per: