Bobby Powers writes:
2009/2/2 Tiago Marques tiagomnm at gmail.com:
Python is killing the XO, what's being done in that regard?
The $100 laptop will always be hardware limited, how can
python be a benefit and not a *huge* burden? I for one can't
get my head around that.
The idea is to give
2009/2/4 Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com:
I'm confused as to which Activities are mated to 8.2.1.
The subject came up before, when it was pointed out that wikipage
Activities/G1G1 lists some newer activity versions than wikipage
Activities/G1G1/8.2.
Correct. G1G1 lists activities that have
2009/2/4 John Watlington w...@laptop.org:
I insist on b) in order to prevent inadvertent bricking of laptops
by typing enable-security,
Are you concerned that there is a realistic and common use case when a
particular type of user would want or need to run enable-security?
Or is your concern
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 12:40:38AM -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
Read it and weep.
+1
Fixed a couple of typos in the last section.
Also, re:
Conversely, if the layout is bad, every cluster write might split two
pages, forcing the
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
Read it and weep.
this completely ignores wear leveling, which is very nessasary for just
about any filesystem, but especially for FAT (which appear to be the only
filesystems this author
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da...@lang.hm wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
Read it and weep.
this completely ignores wear leveling, which is very nessasary for just
about any filesystem, but
On 4 Feb 2009, at 12:14, Daniel Drake wrote:
2009/2/4 John Watlington w...@laptop.org:
I insist on b) in order to prevent inadvertent bricking of laptops
by typing enable-security,
Are you concerned that there is a realistic and common use case when a
particular type of user would want or
2009/2/4 Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org:
Yes, I was particularly thinking of you and your experience in Ethiopia and
the difficulties you faced to re-secure the laptops. I prefer to think of it
as: Is there a realistic and common use case for when a *deployment* would
want or need to run
On Feb 4, 2009, at 7:14 AM, Daniel Drake wrote:
2009/2/4 John Watlington w...@laptop.org:
I insist on b) in order to prevent inadvertent bricking of laptops
by typing enable-security,
Are you concerned that there is a realistic and common use case when a
particular type of user would want
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:22 AM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote:
Should we care ? I just proved that it is possible for any kid in
Peru to slag their laptop by
simply typing sudo rm -rf /* in a terminal window, a similar feat
of child-like naivete.
Alt-boot could recover from most
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On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 00:40 -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
Read it and weep.
It's a great article, but people that aren't very familiar with
filesystems and the filesystem tools are going to read the article, look
at their tools,
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da...@lang.hm wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
Read it and weep.
this completely ignores wear leveling, which is very nessasary for just
about any filesystem, but especially for FAT (which appear to
Comparing staging-25 against 8.2-767, I have 2 more APs to play with:
1. D-Link DWL-7100AP
Open and WEP work fine. I also confirmed that connection is
automatically reestablished on reboot.
WPA(TKIP): 8.2.0 connects every time. 8.2.1 always fails to connect,
bringing up the password request
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
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da...@lang.hm wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
Read it and weep.
this completely ignores wear leveling, which is
2009/1/31 Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net:
Probably best to upload somewhere and put a link here.
http://www.megapathdsl.net/~hmurray/tmp/messages.11
It also contains the info from when I poked my icon and it worked. That
starts at 08:49. I inserted a few blank lines at that point to
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
Read it and weep.
Mitch
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, da...@lang.hm wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
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Umm, what?
To alleviate the wear out problems, the FTL must move data around so
that repeated writes to a given sector don't cause too many writes to
Daniel Drake wrote:
2009/2/4 John Watlington w...@laptop.org:
I insist on b) in order to prevent inadvertent bricking of laptops
by typing enable-security,
Are you concerned that there is a realistic and common use case when a
particular type of user would want or need to run
Dear Release Manager,
as we discussed on IRC today (and which I had not realized until
today) the 8.2.1 release will be pre-installed on XOs for much longer
than anticipated, since the 9.1 release has been canceled, and no
replacement is in sight.
We have had fixed Etoys / Squeak-VM
We didn't schedule one, but in case anyone thought there would be, there is
no ActivityTeam meeting this Friday.
I'm out of town this week, and I'm leaning towards bi-weekly anyway. I'll
send out another email when we set the next time.
Cheers,
Wade
Regarding Gentoo, don't miss http://www.gentooxo.org/. That project
combined with the Sugar overlay might be a good start for a tiny XO Sugar
distribution.
Wade
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbheek.chau...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:12 AM, S Page
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com wrote:
Bobby Powers writes:
2009/2/2 Tiago Marques tiagomnm at gmail.com:
Python is killing the XO, what's being done in that regard?
The $100 laptop will always be hardware limited, how can
python be a benefit and not a
Is this really true ? If you've removed /versions, how does alt-boot
find the other image ?
On Feb 4, 2009, at 10:33 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote:
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:22 AM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org
wrote:
Should we care ? I just proved that it is possible for any kid in
Hi All,
I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the plans
on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to have a
testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing core OS
related bits and dealing with them sooner rather than later.
My thoughts are that
Hi Peter,
I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the
plans on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to
have a testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing
core OS related bits and dealing with them sooner rather than
later.
Hi Chris,
I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the
plans on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to
have a testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing
core OS related bits and dealing with them sooner rather than
later.
Hi Jerry,
I've been playing with booting fedora on the XO, mostly with
anaconda (F9/F10) to be able to run an install on the XO itself for
the XS. I'll try to boot the F11 kernel/installer when one is
available, it looks like there are issues building anaconda atm,
there is no
In Sugar 0.84, will mesh at least be disabled, from the point of view
of Ohm and the kernel, so that the WiFi chip can be powered down when
it's not in use for WiFi?
To me, one of the most attractive points about the OLPC is the
capability to use it collaboratively far from civilization.
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Mitch Bradley wrote:
It has been my experience that USB sticks and SD cards with intact
factory formatting tend to last longer and run faster than ones that
have been reformatted with random layouts.
This gives us Linux users a bit of a dilemma
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device
Read it and weep.
It's a great article, but people that aren't very familiar with
filesystems and the filesystem tools are going to read the article, look
at their tools, scratch their heads, decide the whole thing is
Just to keep people in the look as to what I'm working on...
- using mod_ctlextra to control shared rosters from moodle enrol/unenrol hooks
- testing ejabberd to 2.0.3 - which claims to fix some pubsub issues,
and has the ssl/tls memory consumption bug fixed...
-- martin
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On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 20:47 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
Hi Chris,
I wanted to put it to the lists and get some feedback, with the
plans on basing the 9.1.0 release on Fedora 11 I think we need to
have a testing stream based on rawhide so that we can start testing
core OS
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 15:05 -0500, Chris Ball wrote:
Hi Jerry,
I've been playing with booting fedora on the XO, mostly with
anaconda (F9/F10) to be able to run an install on the XO itself for
the XS. I'll try to boot the F11 kernel/installer when one is
available, it looks
After a brief discussion with Jeremy, it appears that Fedora 11 in rawhide
has had many boot issues on many platforms, and they're tackling them one
by one. He promises to have a look at OLPC specifically on Friday.
--g
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Mitch Bradley wrote:
It has been my experience that USB sticks and SD cards with intact
factory formatting tend to last longer and run faster than ones that
have been reformatted with random layouts.
Hi,
I have modified the XO activation initramfs to attempt to locate a
lease server on an XS on each open infrastructure network that can be
found (early patch attached).
The XS does not bind the server to the IPv6 address correctly (perhaps
we can work on that)., so it currently runs over IPv4
Hi Greg,
Thanks for poking :)
After a brief discussion with Jeremy, it appears that Fedora 11 in rawhide
has had many boot issues on many platforms, and they're tackling them one by
one. He promises to have a look at OLPC specifically on Friday.
Excellent news. In the mean time, even with
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Peter Robinson wrote:
Hi Greg,
Thanks for poking :)
After a brief discussion with Jeremy, it appears that Fedora 11 in rawhide
has had many boot issues on many platforms, and they're tackling them one by
one. He promises to have a look at OLPC specifically on Friday.
2009/2/4 Chris Ball c...@laptop.org:
Hi Jerry,
I've been playing with booting fedora on the XO, mostly with
anaconda (F9/F10) to be able to run an install on the XO itself for
the XS. I'll try to boot the F11 kernel/installer when one is
available, it looks like there are issues
Hi All,
I've never used the mesh before so I'm not 100% on how it works...
In Sugar 0.84, will mesh at least be disabled, from the point of view
of Ohm and the kernel, so that the WiFi chip can be powered down when
it's not in use for WiFi?
To me, one of the most attractive points about the
Hi Greg,
cjb, it was my understanding that you were already essentially
doing nightly builds from rawhide using livecd-tools. Am I
mistaken?
I was doing manual builds from rawhide using livecd-tools, trying to get
them to boot. Haven't got around to nightly yet, since it didn't
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Chris Ball wrote:
Hi Greg,
cjb, it was my understanding that you were already essentially
doing nightly builds from rawhide using livecd-tools. Am I
mistaken?
I was doing manual builds from rawhide using livecd-tools, trying to get
them to boot. Haven't got
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 17:58:24 Albert Cahalan wrote:
Assembly has a reputation for being hard, but this is
far from the truth. It is large assembly projects that are
hard to understand. For tiny things, assembly is even
easier than C. What you see is what you get, exactly.
Python has
I tried to do a git push to gitorious this morning and it failed without
even trying to ask for my passphrase. I'm going to try it tonight using
the box I originally migrated to gitorious with and see if that works
any better, but I believe I created the public keys the same way on both
and
I've been amused reading these comments about Knuth and Assembler vs.
Python. Back in 1978 at Western Illinois University I encountered
Knuth's books in the school library. He not only used Assembly in his
examples, he used a made up version of Assembly language for a machine
that did not
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
This gives us Linux users a bit of a dilemma if we want to use FTL flash
for primary storage. FAT does not provide the file access permissions,
symlinks, hardlinks, or even case sensitivity, that we desire for
The XS does not bind the server to the IPv6 address correctly (perhaps
we can work on that)., so it currently runs over IPv4
True - the XS runs an IPv4 infra.
IPv6 offers link-level addresses that don't require any
infrastructure, not even a DHCP server. If you make both ends work
with
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 07:51:44PM -0500, Bobby Powers wrote:
What about a small script that could do two things:
Sounds great.
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On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 05:53:14PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote:
Hi,
This is Fedora's initramfs, right?
Right.
Peter's suggestion is to use pilgrim to create rawhide builds,
hence using the olpc initramfs.
That's an interesting idea. I don't like it long-term, because
no-one's working
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Martin Langhoff wrote:
2009/2/5 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org:
I have modified the XO activation initramfs to attempt to locate a
lease server on an XS on each open infrastructure network that can be
found (early patch attached).
Great -- I am not too conversant on the
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
Do I need to patch mod_ctlextra? Retry with 2.0.2? 2.0.3?
Getting the same behaviour on v2.0.3.
Any hints?
cheers,
m
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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Wade Brainerd r...@wadeb.com wrote:
I can possibly help too w.r.t. the OLPC initramfs, I have hacked it up to
the point of not needing it but I have a general idea how it works.
dsd is proposing a patch. Might merit review :-)
On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:47 AM, Bobby Powers wrote:
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:55 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote:
Ok, what tools can I use to satisfy you of this 'opinion' that
applications start faster
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Anna ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
Another option to accomplish this is to stream the screen of the
Ubuntu machine as ogg and then the XOs can simply play the stream via
totem.
The src of the video is a conventional ubuntu machine -
- how powerful is the source
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote:
da...@lang.hm wrote:
so if the device is performing wear leveling, then the fact that your FAT
is on the same eraseblock as your partition table should not matter in the
least, since the wear leveling will avoid stressing any particlar part of
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Bobby Powers wrote:
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
This gives us Linux users a bit of a dilemma if we want to use FTL flash
for primary storage. FAT does not provide the file access permissions,
symlinks, hardlinks,
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009, Mitch Bradley wrote:
Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
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Mitch Bradley wrote:
It has been my experience that USB sticks and SD cards with intact
factory formatting tend to last longer and run faster than ones that
have been
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 05:53:14PM -0500, Chris Ball wrote:
Hi,
This is Fedora's initramfs, right?
Right.
Peter's suggestion is to use pilgrim to create rawhide builds,
hence using the olpc initramfs.
That's
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