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From: Zarro Boogs per Child [mailto:bugtrac...@laptop.org]
Sent: Mon 12/04/2010 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: #7689 NORM 8.2.0 (: Addition of Bislama Language for Vanuatu
#7689: Addition of Bislama Language for Vanuatu
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 17:57 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
Finally, I guess you have thought of it, but by the
time 10.2 will be out F11 repositories will be down
and thus the builds totally frozen software-wise.
I think it would have been better to rebase on F12 6 months ago.
Now it's
Hi Chris,
I added a mechanism so that we can keep separate the OLPC-specific
configuration from the sample config that can be reused by
deployments, and I stripped out the OLPC-specific bits from those
default configs.
So you'll want to create a cjb-specific config file somewhere with
this
I'm guilty of spending more time than I probably should at newgrounds.com,
their slogan being Everything, by Everyone.
Its a melting pot of free content, and what really impresses me are the
absolute gems of creativity that one finds from time to time.
I dont see flash as the main XO education
I also fixed a small issue in the configuration where public_rpm
packages were not overriding F11 updates...be sure to double-check the
list of package changes in the next build.
Daniel
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Sorry, guys, but I just don't see why the content is somehow corrupted or
limited by deployment on the Flash platform.The FlashPlayer implements a
virtual machine that is customized by Adobe to run on various hardware and
OSs. They're extending it now to ARM-processor-based devices (cell
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Stanley Sokolow
overb...@earthlink.net wrote:
So, please explain why constructionist educational models can't be
Nobody has stated that it can't be done. But experience shows the
opposite correlation (and I have worked in many edu projects using
Flash myself,
You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math
Tutoring / OLPC Project
http://internetmathtutoring.com/olpc/static.php?page=static090711-100100.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.netwrote:
Sorry, guys, but I just don't see why the content
stanley wrote:
You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math
Tutoring / OLPC Project
http://internetmathtutoring.com/olpc/static.php?page=static090711-100100.
what does this have to do with flash?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow
Hi,
has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community,
does this run on the XO?
Nope. We're to believe that Flash is appropriate for constructionism
on the XO even though it doesn't allow XO users to construct anything.
- Chris.
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Hey Chris,
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5
http://build.laptop.org/10.2.0/os119
Compressed image size: 678.36mb (+0.01mb since build 118)
Description of changes in this build:
* kernel: allow negotiation of
That page shows Vyew.com running on Xubuntu on the XO-1. In my experience,
Vyew.com is something outstanding for learning
with low barriers of entry and no ceiling that Martin asked to see built
with Flash. (Stanford University uses Vyew for its Stanford Engineering
On 12 April 2010 14:51, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I've got some more time and have finally had a chance to look at these
further. From an initial looks it looks like your getting exim due to
the cronie deps on /usr/bin/sendmail. If you add an explicit 'ssmtp'
into the .ks that
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
On 12 April 2010 14:51, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I've got some more time and have finally had a chance to look at these
further. From an initial looks it looks like your getting exim due to
the cronie deps
I guess I don't understand constructionism.
Is it reasonable to require that the development system run on the target
machine?If Apple had this requirement, all of the iPhone/iPod/iPad
applications would be gone. We wouldn't have any of the millions of
devices (mp3 players, routers, modems,
On 04/12/2010 02:10 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
Which burnin package are you referring to? olpc-runin-tests-0.9.15-1.noarch?
I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give
you the answer.
The runin scripts are all bash. Not sure why perl would be a
dependency. Perhaps
Nobody has stated that it can't be done. But experience shows the
opposite correlation (and I have worked in many edu projects using
Flash myself, some huge such as TLF's SOCCI).
Maybe it's a cultural problem (ie: people who get excited with Flash
things singing and dancing tend to build
stanley wrote:
I guess I don't understand constructionism.
i think that's right.
Is it reasonable to require that the development system run on the target
machine?
yes. it's one of the reasons most activities, and many of the
system, is coded in python.
If Apple had this
smith wrote:
On 04/12/2010 02:10 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
Which burnin package are you referring to?
olpc-runin-tests-0.9.15-1.noarch?
I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give
you the answer.
The runin scripts are all bash. Not sure why
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote:
Martin, how is this Flash's fault?
I didn't say it was its fault -- I did point out the same cultural
issue you mention.
And shiny distracts. You are writing very long emails and not pointing
to compelling deep and rich
On 04/12/2010 02:34 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
perl? I created them on the XO so anything that I used should have
already been installed.
Except for where I specified extra stuff I needed. :) like lm_sensors
which requires perl.
So I need to find a way to read the CPU temp without lm_sensors
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote:
On 04/12/2010 02:34 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
perl? I created them on the XO so anything that I used should have
already been installed.
Except for where I specified extra stuff I needed. :) like lm_sensors which
On 12 April 2010 15:45, Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote:
Except for where I specified extra stuff I needed. :) like lm_sensors
which requires perl.
So I need to find a way to read the CPU temp without lm_sensors or we
somehow need to break lm_sensors use of perl.
It's really easy
-- Forwarded message --
From: Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net
Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
To: Paul Fox p...@laptop.org
Sorry, Paul, I just can't accept the idea that the target audience of the
OLPC projects must necessarily include
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
On 12 April 2010 14:51, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I've got some more time and have finally had a chance to look at these
further.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Jerry Vonau jvo...@shaw.ca wrote:
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 10:40 -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Juan G. Narvaez gnrvz...@gmail.com wrote:
I made some changes on the ks.cfg file like keyboard layout, timezone,
etc...
Can an
stanley wrote:
Sorry, Paul, I just can't accept the idea that the target audience of the
OLPC projects must necessarily include kids who are capable and interested
in re-programming the software activities they're using.Moreover, would
you want to modify and re-compile your
On 04/12/2010 02:51 PM, Daniel Drake wrote:
find /sys -name '*cputemp*'
/sys/devices/platform/via_cputemp.0
Awesome! I'll change my scripts and remove that dependency.
Thanks.
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One Laptop per Child
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:
Speaking of the network, do we have a logical diagram of the network
on the XS (interface, bond memberships, etc) ?
Not that I know of. I posted here explaining my plan right before
implementing it, and it did have some
--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
From: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
Subject: Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119
To: Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
Cc: Devel devel@lists.laptop.org, Fedora OLPC
fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com
Date: Monday, April 12,
'yum remove perl' will give you the answer.
Gentlemen - on some of my XO-1s I've installed perl onto my permanent
SD card, rather than having it occupy jffs2. By doing so, I've saved
about 33 MB of space in jffs2.
Is that a large enough savings (given a 4000 MB XO-1.5) to be worth
spending
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
'yum remove perl' will give you the answer.
Gentlemen - on some of my XO-1s I've installed perl onto my permanent
SD card, rather than having it occupy jffs2. By doing so, I've saved
about 33 MB of space in jffs2.
Is
Hi,
Gentlemen - on some of my XO-1s I've installed perl onto my
permanent SD card, rather than having it occupy jffs2. By
doing so, I've saved about 33 MB of space in jffs2.
Is that a large enough savings (given a 4000 MB XO-1.5) to be
worth spending this much discussion
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis
mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
From: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
Subject: Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119
To: Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
Cc: Devel
There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR.
My question : Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ?
I do not mind using a browser, nor do I mind installing a
special-purpose plugin into my browser in order to access particular
material. But what does AIR provide that for
Gentlemen - on some of my XO-1s I've installed perl onto my
permanent SD card, rather than having it occupy jffs2. By
doing so, I've saved about 33 MB of space in jffs2.
Is that a large enough savings (given a 4000 MB XO-1.5) to be
worth spending this much discussion on ?
Yes,
--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119
To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com
Cc: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org, Devel
devel@lists.laptop.org, Fedora OLPC
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
In the longer term its likely that it will be. The libraries in CentOS
5 are too old. The problem is that RHEL-6 isn't out yet, nor is there
At least this XS guy is hopefuly that RHEL-6 will appear soon and XS
0.7 or
It will then be OK for a while until Sugar needs a newer version of a
library
I think there is an elephant in the living room to which too little
attention is being paid. Consider Peru - they have a lot of XO-1
systems, on which it is unlikely that the newest version of Sugar will
ever be
And shiny distracts.
Then write an app that's not shiny. Can you please get over your gut
revulsion? I have the same reaction to Macs.
has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community,
does this run on the XO?
Nope. We're to believe that Flash is appropriate for
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
It will then be OK for a while until Sugar needs a newer version of a
library
I think there is an elephant in the living room to which too little
attention is being paid. Consider Peru - they have a lot of XO-1
systems,
There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR.
My question : Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ?
I do not mind using a browser, nor do I mind installing a
special-purpose plugin into my browser in order to access particular
material. But what does AIR provide that
Hi,
Okay. My question is, aside from the fact that you need to shell
out cash to do iPhone dev and that both apple and developers are
doing it for the money, what now differentiates OLPC/Sugar from
the iPhone? Isn't that also a form of walled-garden lock-in?
.. seriously? I
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
On 12 April 2010 15:10, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give
you the answer.
On XO-1.5 running something very close to 10.2.0 build 119, it wants
to
There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR.
My question : Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ?
I do not mind using a browser, nor do I mind installing a
special-purpose plugin into my browser in order to access particular
material. But what does AIR provide that
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote:
It will then be OK for a while until Sugar needs a newer version of a
library
I think there is an elephant in the living room to which too little
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 13:29 -0700, Jon Nettleton wrote:
Has there been any discussion on whether CentOS was an option as a
base for the distro? With RHEL/CentOS 6 hopefully within sight, that
would give a nice target to provide both the combination of stability
and long term support.
This
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
On 12 April 2010 15:10, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give
you the answer.
On XO-1.5 running something very close to 10.2.0 build 119, it wants
to
AIR (Adobe Integrated Runtime) is a desktop application that runs the
FlashPlayer virtual machine outside of a browser. You know that Flash is
usually thought of as a plug-in to run Flash content inside of a web page
being displayed on a browser. To maintain web security, the Flash plug-in
I know I shouldn't feed the troll but ...
On 12.04.2010, at 22:59, Carlos Nazareno wrote:
What I'm saying is that there's an army of us out there who can be
willing to volunteer and dev for the XO. However, a lot of us don't
have the luxury to learn Python/Sugarization or maybe just work best
Believe me I'll be one of the first poeple adding the sugar packages
to EL-6 branches and testing them but its not necessarily the golden
path that some people think. In the short term of the first 12 months
it will be fine, 18 months to 2.5 years it won't seem as good.
I am not seeing where
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Uh... I'm also very fond of Processing. It runs okay for me on the
XO-1, just a bit slow and the obvious problem with Sugar since
processing is generally multi-window.
Okay, kidding aside, what's the point of developing hardware and
software for OLPC anyway? Aren't these just
Hi,
There's not much point discussing it at the moment as RHEL-6
isn't out yet
This is my feeling too -- I agree that RHEL and CentOS 6 will be a
more attractive base than any of their previous releases have been,
and we'll want to consider them then. Not much more to say until we
know
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 13:29 -0700, Jon Nettleton wrote:
Has there been any discussion on whether CentOS was an option as a
base for the distro? With RHEL/CentOS 6 hopefully within sight, that
would give a nice
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 06:12:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
In the past, Sugar and OLPC development was much hurt by its
disconnection from the rest of the free software ecosystem on which it
was built. We need to get much closer to our upstream projects, both in
time (by using current
Sorry, I keep forgetting to put the list manager in my addresses. Here's
my latest message:
-- Forwarded message --
From: Stanley Sokolow overb...@earthlink.net
Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC
To: mi...@bga.com
I forgot to answer your
The AIR application is given more freedom -- for example, it can
access local files.
Back when Netscape first came out, I was bitten when a selfish plugin
changed my system's defaults without me realizing it. Ever since, I do
NOT want a remotely acquired program to be able to access the local
So, I guess you don't install any software that you download and run, like
Firefox or OpenOffice.org or Google Earth? An AIR program doesn't just
sneak itself onto your system -- the user decides to buy it, or trust the
source of it, downloads it, and runs the installer. The point about AIR is
Martin,
Sonya wanted me to reply on her behalf. I have written a brief explanation
of our attempts to just install Flash on the XO with the ex-factory, that
is, the factory installed, operating system. I just sent it to the
developers' list.What someone like Sonya needs is an OS on the XO
After writing my explanation of why I turned to a Xubuntu system last year
to get FlashPlayer going on my XO for my wife's Internet Math Tutoring
project, I thought I ought to see what improvements have been made since
that decision.I see on the Wiki that there are Sugarized activities now
for
Yes, it's a hyperbole. I'm sorry for insulting everyone with the
comparison to Evil Steve but can put your emotions aside, look at this
objectively, and see my frustration?
I want to help, but I can't. This is the skillset that I have, and
thousands of others have the same problem. I'm not a
Yes, it seems that you have a skill you can't yet use, because someone
else is needed first to prepare something you can build on. If there's
any way we're stopping that someone else from working, let us know.
--
James Cameron
http://quozl.linux.org.au/
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Carlos Nazareno object...@gmail.com wrote:
And shiny distracts.
Then write an app that's not shiny. Can you please get over your gut
revulsion? I have the same reaction to Macs.
Ok gentlemen. Let's put things this way -- we are cluttering the
development list
There's been so many changes and additions ever since Flash 9 and AS3
was introduced. Among them is byte-level manipulation which allows us
to do really funky creative stuff, especially if combo-ed with AIR
which allows you to read write to the local filesystem.
More importantly is the 2-100x
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 23:54 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
Bernie, I'm not sure the point of this point at this point in time. To
copy and paste part of the response I did to the other thread on
fedora-olpc for others benefit.
I personally don't see the point discussing it because from where I
Questions:
A) Syntax vs. Algorithms
Scenario 1:
complex XO game is built in C, binary, complete C sourcecode + all
source files + minimal documentation are included. Kid only
understands Python. Sourcecode is complete gibberish. Kid enjoys game
anyway learns from content.
Scenario 2:
complex
So, I guess you don't install any software that you download and run, like
Firefox or OpenOffice.org or Google Earth?
I've installed and am running applications such as Firefox 3.6.3 (plus
Flash 10.1), Google Chrome 5.0.342.9, Adobe Reader 9.3.1, mplayer,
FBReader, etc. -- because I trust the
IMHO I not only agree 120%, but also OLE Bolivia has budgeted support
for upstreaming development.
The idea being, if we are going to benefit, as an
institution/country/project from work done professionally, if we are
going to depend on it and expect it keeps up with improvements, then we
have
sorry to bother you guys again.
Sorry for the mixup, the game Snow Farm plagiarized by the Beijing
Olympic Committee dev team is by The Pencil Farm, not Ferry Halim.
Pencil Farm is one of the other guys plagiarized too. I was in a rush,
lack sleep and just quick-copy pasted from
Hi,
sorry I'm brief (to the unfortunate point of rudeness) -- I am working
30hr days in a 60K deployment. Which happens to want to use Flash. In
fact I just helped the local team find adobe.com and we are adding the
relevant rpm to the build.
I find it puzzling that there is so much over the top
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tim Moody timmo...@sympatico.ca wrote:
What are the main advantages of wwwoffle over apache's built in proxy and
cache modules?
I concur with all of Wad's points. The problems with have with Squid
are well known (search this list archive for sad stories about
Hi Andra
Fantastic! Thanks! Couple questions:
- Can we remove the need to set proxy on every XO by either...
- using a transparent proxy, same as we do with SQUID (maybe make a
TURN_ON_WWWOFFLE script)?
- serving a proxy autoconfig file via dhcp/apache?
- Is it viable to automate the go
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:22 AM, David Leeming
da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote:
Having established that there is a bug in the PDF plug in for Browse 102,
with filenames having spaces, we can assume when that is fixed it will be
fine.
Do file the bug on dev.laptop.org ! You cannot assume that
On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 10:40 -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Juan G. Narvaez gnrvz...@gmail.com wrote:
I made some changes on the ks.cfg file like keyboard layout, timezone,
etc...
Can an alteration of ks.cfg be part of the problem? Obviously, an different
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Jerry Vonau jvo...@shaw.ca wrote:
Martin, what is the usage of having the XS in server role other than 1?
None - get got to get rid of that crud. I should have simplified that
in 0.6 but at the time I took a first port, then simplify approach
and ran out of time
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:43:40AM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:22 AM, David Leeming
da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote:
Having established that there is a bug in the PDF plug in for Browse 102,
with filenames having spaces, we can assume when that is fixed it will
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