Re: [IAEP] Long-term development strategy (Was: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119)

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 09:31:25PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 23:54 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > Bernie, I'm not sure the point of this point at this point in time. To > > copy and paste part of the response I did to the other thread on > > fedora-olpc for others ben

Re: using XO for Internet Math Tutoring

Hi, sorry I'm brief (to the unfortunate point of rudeness) -- I am working 30hr days in a 60K deployment. Which happens to want to use Flash. In fact I just helped the local team find adobe.com and we are adding the relevant rpm to the build. I find it puzzling that there is so much over the top

errata

sorry to bother you guys again. Sorry for the mixup, the game Snow Farm plagiarized by the Beijing Olympic Committee dev team is by The Pencil Farm, not Ferry Halim. Pencil Farm is one of the other guys plagiarized too. I was in a rush, lack sleep and just quick-copy pasted from years-ago-memory-g

Re: [IAEP] Long-term development strategy (Was: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119)

IMHO I not only agree 120%, but also OLE Bolivia has budgeted support for upstreaming development. The idea being, if we are going to benefit, as an institution/country/project from work done professionally, if we are going to depend on it and expect it keeps up with improvements, then we have

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

> So, I guess you don't install any software that you download and run, like > Firefox or OpenOffice.org or Google Earth? I've installed and am running applications such as Firefox 3.6.3 (plus Flash 10.1), Google Chrome 5.0.342.9, Adobe Reader 9.3.1, mplayer, FBReader, etc. -- because I trust the

open source vs. constructionist learning

Questions: A) Syntax vs. Algorithms Scenario 1: complex XO game is built in C, binary, complete C sourcecode + all source files + minimal documentation are included. Kid only understands Python. Sourcecode is complete gibberish. Kid enjoys game anyway & learns from content. Scenario 2: complex X

Re: [IAEP] Long-term development strategy (Was: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119)

On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 23:54 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > Bernie, I'm not sure the point of this point at this point in time. To > copy and paste part of the response I did to the other thread on > fedora-olpc for others benefit. > > I personally don't see the point discussing it because from whe

Adobe Flash vs. Gnash -> very important bug

There's been so many changes and additions ever since Flash 9 and AS3 was introduced. Among them is byte-level manipulation which allows us to do really funky creative stuff, especially if combo-ed with AIR which allows you to read & write to the local filesystem. More importantly is the 2-100x in

Re: tool elitism

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: >>>And shiny distracts. > > Then write an app that's not shiny. Can you please get over your gut > revulsion? I have the same reaction to Macs. Ok gentlemen. Let's put things this way -- we are cluttering the development list of olpc just as

Re: iPhone comparison

Yes, it seems that you have a skill you can't yet use, because someone else is needed first to prepare something you can build on. If there's any way we're stopping that someone else from working, let us know. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ __

re: iPhone comparison

Yes, it's a hyperbole. I'm sorry for insulting everyone with the comparison to Evil Steve but can put your emotions aside, look at this objectively, and see my frustration? I want to help, but I can't. This is the skillset that I have, and thousands of others have the same problem. I'm not a compu

Updating my prior comments about FlashPlayer on the XO-1

After writing my explanation of why I turned to a Xubuntu system last year to get FlashPlayer going on my XO for my wife's Internet Math Tutoring project, I thought I ought to see what improvements have been made since that decision.I see on the Wiki that there are Sugarized activities now for

Re: using XO for Internet Math Tutoring

Martin, Sonya wanted me to reply on her behalf. I have written a brief explanation of our attempts to "just install Flash" on the XO with the ex-factory, that is, the factory installed, operating system. I just sent it to the developers' list.What someone like Sonya needs is an OS on the X

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

So, I guess you don't install any software that you download and run, like Firefox or OpenOffice.org or Google Earth? An AIR program doesn't just sneak itself onto your system -- the user decides to buy it, or trust the source of it, downloads it, and runs the installer. The point about AIR is th

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

> The AIR application is given more freedom -- for example, it can > access local files. Back when Netscape first came out, I was bitten when a "selfish" plugin changed my system's defaults without me realizing it. Ever since, I do NOT want a remotely acquired program to be able to access the loc

Fwd: Flash + AIR on OLPC

Sorry, I keep forgetting to put the list manager in my addresses. Here's my latest message: -- Forwarded message -- From: Stanley Sokolow Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC To: mi...@bga.com I forgot to answer your statement below about Linux o

Re: Long-term development strategy (Was: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119)

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 06:12:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > In the past, Sugar and OLPC development was much hurt by its > disconnection from the rest of the free software ecosystem on which it > was built. We need to get much closer to our upstream projects, both in > time (by using curren

Re: [IAEP] Long-term development strategy (Was: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119)

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 13:29 -0700, Jon Nettleton wrote: > >> Has there been any discussion on whether CentOS was an option as a >> base for the distro?  With RHEL/CentOS 6 hopefully within sight, that >> would give a nice target to provid

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

Hi, > There's not much point discussing it at the moment as RHEL-6 > isn't out yet This is my feeling too -- I agree that RHEL and CentOS 6 will be a more attractive base than any of their previous releases have been, and we'll want to consider them then. Not much more to say until we know

Re: tool elitism

> > Uh... I'm also very fond of Processing. It runs okay for me on the > XO-1, just a bit slow and the obvious problem with Sugar since > processing is generally multi-window. > > Okay, kidding aside, what's the point of developing hardware and > software for OLPC anyway? Aren't these just delive

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

>> Believe me I'll be one of the first poeple adding the sugar packages >> to EL-6 branches and testing them but its not necessarily the golden >> path that some people think. In the short term of the first 12 months >> it will be fine, 18 months to 2.5 years it won't seem as good. > > I am not see

Re: tool elitism

I know I shouldn't feed the troll but ... On 12.04.2010, at 22:59, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > What I'm saying is that there's an army of us out there who can be > willing to volunteer and dev for the XO. However, a lot of us don't > have the luxury to learn Python/Sugarization or maybe just work be

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

AIR (Adobe Integrated Runtime) is a desktop application that runs the FlashPlayer virtual machine outside of a browser. You know that Flash is usually thought of as a plug-in to run Flash content inside of a web page being displayed on a browser. To maintain web security, the Flash plug-in enfo

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > On 12 April 2010 15:10, Peter Robinson wrote: >> I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give >> you the answer. > > On XO-1.5 running something very close to 10.2.0 build 119, it wants > to remove many components incl

Long-term development strategy (Was: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119)

On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 13:29 -0700, Jon Nettleton wrote: > Has there been any discussion on whether CentOS was an option as a > base for the distro? With RHEL/CentOS 6 hopefully within sight, that > would give a nice target to provide both the combination of stability > and long term support. Thi

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >>> It will then be OK for a while until Sugar needs a newer version of a >>> library >> >> I think there is an "elephant in the living room" to which too little >> attention is being

Re: AIR + other Linux Flavors

>> There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR. >> My question : "Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ?" >> >> I do not mind using a "browser", nor do I mind installing a >> special-purpose "plugin" into my browser in order to access particular >> material. But what does

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > On 12 April 2010 15:10, Peter Robinson wrote: >> I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give >> you the answer. > > On XO-1.5 running something very close to 10.2.0 build 119, it wants > to remove many components inclu

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On 12 April 2010 15:10, Peter Robinson wrote: > I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give > you the answer. On XO-1.5 running something very close to 10.2.0 build 119, it wants to remove many components including anacron, yum, rpm, ds-backup-client, olpc-update, ... Is

Re: tool elitism

Hi, > Okay. My question is, aside from the fact that you need to shell > out cash to do iPhone dev and that both apple and developers are > doing it for the money, what now differentiates OLPC/Sugar from > the iPhone? Isn't that also a form of walled-garden lock-in? .. seriously? I

Re: AIR + other Linux Flavors

> There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR. > My question : "Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ?" > > I do not mind using a "browser", nor do I mind installing a > special-purpose "plugin" into my browser in order to access particular > material. But what does AIR pr

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> It will then be OK for a while until Sugar needs a newer version of a >> library > > I think there is an "elephant in the living room" to which too little > attention is being paid.  Consider Peru - they have a lot of XO-1 > systems, on w

tool elitism

>>And shiny distracts. Then write an app that's not shiny. Can you please get over your gut revulsion? I have the same reaction to Macs. >>> has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, >> does this run on the XO? > > Nope. We're to believe that Flash is appropriate for co

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

> It will then be OK for a while until Sugar needs a newer version of a > library I think there is an "elephant in the living room" to which too little attention is being paid. Consider Peru - they have a lot of XO-1 systems, on which it is unlikely that the newest version of Sugar will ever be i

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > In the longer term its likely that it will be. The libraries in CentOS > 5 are too old. The problem is that RHEL-6 isn't out yet, nor is there At least this XS guy is hopefuly that RHEL-6 will appear soon and XS 0.7 or 0.8 will be based on

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Peter Robinson wrote: > From: Peter Robinson > Subject: Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119 > To: "Yioryos Asprobounitis" > Cc: "Bernie Innocenti" , "Devel" > , "Fedora OLPC" > Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 3:56 PM > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:40 PM, > Yioryos Asprobounitis

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

> > Gentlemen - on some of my XO-1s I've installed perl onto my > > "permanent" SD card, rather than having it occupy jffs2. By > > doing so, I've saved about 33 MB of space in jffs2. > > > > Is that a large enough savings (given a 4000 MB XO-1.5) to be > > worth spending this much discussion on

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

There's been all this discussion of AIR. I am unfamiliar with AIR. My question : "Why would I (as an user) __need__ AIR ?" I do not mind using a "browser", nor do I mind installing a special-purpose "plugin" into my browser in order to access particular material. But what does AIR provide that

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > > > --- On Mon, 4/12/10, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > >> From: Bernie Innocenti >> Subject: Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119 >> To: "Peter Robinson" >> Cc: "Devel" , "Fedora OLPC" >> >> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:15 AM >> On Sat

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

Hi, > Gentlemen - on some of my XO-1s I've installed perl onto my > "permanent" SD card, rather than having it occupy jffs2. By > doing so, I've saved about 33 MB of space in jffs2. > > Is that a large enough savings (given a 4000 MB XO-1.5) to be > worth spending this much dis

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> 'yum remove perl' will give you the answer. > > Gentlemen - on some of my XO-1s I've installed perl onto my "permanent" > SD card, rather than having it occupy jffs2.  By doing so, I've saved > about 33 MB of space in jffs2. > > Is that a

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

> 'yum remove perl' will give you the answer. Gentlemen - on some of my XO-1s I've installed perl onto my "permanent" SD card, rather than having it occupy jffs2. By doing so, I've saved about 33 MB of space in jffs2. Is that a large enough savings (given a 4000 MB XO-1.5) to be worth spending t

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > From: Bernie Innocenti > Subject: Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119 > To: "Peter Robinson" > Cc: "Devel" , "Fedora OLPC" > > Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:15 AM > On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 17:57 +0100, > Peter Robinson wrote: > > >> Finally, I gues

Re: [Server-devel] XS: Lanbond0 and eth0 problem

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: > Speaking of the network, do we have a logical diagram of the network > on the XS (interface, bond memberships, etc) ? Not that I know of. I posted here explaining my plan right before implementing it, and it did have some mappings. For a mor

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On 04/12/2010 02:51 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > find /sys -name '*cputemp*' /sys/devices/platform/via_cputemp.0 Awesome! I'll change my scripts and remove that dependency. Thanks. -- Richard A. Smith One Laptop per Child ___ Devel mailing list Deve

Re: Fwd: Flash + AIR on OLPC

stanley wrote: > > Sorry, Paul, I just can't accept the idea that the target audience of the > OLPC projects must necessarily include kids who are capable and interested > in re-programming the software activities they're using.Moreover, would > you want to modify and re-compile your app

Re: [Server-devel] XS: Lanbond0 and eth0 problem

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Jerry Vonau wrote: > On Mon, 2010-04-12 at 10:40 -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Juan G. Narvaez wrote: >> > I made some changes on the ks.cfg file like keyboard layout, timezone, >> > etc... >> > >> > Can an alteration of ks.cfg b

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: >> On 12 April 2010 14:51, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> I've got some more time and have finally had a chance to look at these >>> further. From an initial looks it looks like your getting

Fwd: Flash + AIR on OLPC

-- Forwarded message -- From: Stanley Sokolow Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC To: Paul Fox Sorry, Paul, I just can't accept the idea that the target audience of the OLPC projects must necessarily include kids who are capable and interested i

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On 12 April 2010 15:45, Richard A. Smith wrote: > Except for where I specified extra stuff I needed. :) like lm_sensors > which requires perl. > > So I need to find a way to read the CPU temp without lm_sensors or we > somehow need to break lm_sensors use of perl. It's really easy to read from sy

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > On 04/12/2010 02:34 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> perl?  I created them on the XO so anything that I used should have >>> already been installed. > > Except for where I specified extra stuff I needed. :) like lm_sensors which > requires

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On 04/12/2010 02:34 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> perl? I created them on the XO so anything that I used should have >> already been installed. Except for where I specified extra stuff I needed. :) like lm_sensors which requires perl. So I need to find a way to read the CPU temp without lm_sens

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Carlos Nazareno wrote: > Martin, how is this Flash's fault? I didn't say it was its fault -- I did point out the same cultural issue you mention. And shiny distracts. You are writing very long emails and not pointing to compelling deep and rich stuff. Maybe what

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Richard A. Smith wrote: > On 04/12/2010 02:10 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> >>> Which burnin package are you referring to? olpc-runin-tests-0.9.15-1.noarch? >> >> I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give >> you the answer. > > The runin

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

smith wrote: > On 04/12/2010 02:10 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > >> > >> Which burnin package are you referring to? > >> olpc-runin-tests-0.9.15-1.noarch? > > > > I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give > > you the answer. > > The runin scripts are all bash.

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

stanley wrote: > I guess I don't understand "constructionism". i think that's right. > > Is it reasonable to require that the development system run on the target > machine? yes. it's one of the reasons most activities, and many of the system, is coded in python. > If Apple had this requ

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

> Nobody has stated that it can't be done. But experience shows the > opposite correlation (and I have worked in many edu projects using > Flash myself, some huge such as TLF's SOCCI). > > Maybe it's a cultural problem (ie: people who get excited with Flash > things singing and dancing tend to buil

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On 04/12/2010 02:10 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> Which burnin package are you referring to? olpc-runin-tests-0.9.15-1.noarch? > > I don't have the XO near me to test but 'yum remove perl' will give > you the answer. The runin scripts are all bash. Not sure why perl would be a dependency. Pe

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

I guess I don't understand "constructionism". Is it reasonable to require that the development system run on the target machine?If Apple had this requirement, all of the iPhone/iPod/iPad applications would be gone. We wouldn't have any of the millions of devices (mp3 players, routers, modems

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > On 12 April 2010 14:51, Peter Robinson wrote: >> I've got some more time and have finally had a chance to look at these >> further. From an initial looks it looks like your getting exim due to >> the cronie deps on /usr/bin/sendmail. If you a

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On 12 April 2010 14:51, Peter Robinson wrote: > I've got some more time and have finally had a chance to look at these > further. From an initial looks it looks like your getting exim due to > the cronie deps on /usr/bin/sendmail. If you add an explicit 'ssmtp' > into the .ks that will provide tha

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

That page shows Vyew.com running on Xubuntu on the XO-1. In my experience, Vyew.com is "something outstanding for learning with low barriers of entry and no ceiling" that Martin asked to see built with Flash. (Stanford University uses Vyew for its Stanford Engineering Everywhere

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

Hey Chris, On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_1.5 > http://build.laptop.org/10.2.0/os119 > > Compressed image size: 678.36mb (+0.01mb since build 118) > > Description of changes in this build: >  * kernel: allow negotiation of 5/10/15/30fps (#101

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

Hi, >> has a free-open-source IDE (FlashDevelop) from a community, > does this run on the XO? Nope. We're to believe that Flash is appropriate for constructionism on the XO even though it doesn't allow XO users to construct anything. - Chris. -- Chris Ball One Laptop Per Child __

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

stanley wrote: > You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math > Tutoring / OLPC Project > . what does this have to do with flash? > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow > wrote

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

You can see the Xubuntu system running on our XO-1 at: Internet Math Tutoring / OLPC Project . On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Stanley Sokolow wrote: > Sorry, guys, but I just don't see why the content is somehow corrupte

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Stanley Sokolow wrote: > So, please explain why "constructionist" educational models can't be Nobody has stated that it can't be done. But experience shows the opposite correlation (and I have worked in many edu projects using Flash myself, some huge such as TLF'

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

Sorry, guys, but I just don't see why the content is somehow corrupted or limited by deployment on the Flash platform.The FlashPlayer implements a virtual machine that is customized by Adobe to run on various hardware and OSs. They're extending it now to ARM-processor-based devices (cell phon

Re: olpc-os-builder config tweaks

I also fixed a small issue in the configuration where public_rpm packages were not overriding F11 updates...be sure to double-check the list of package changes in the next build. Daniel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.or

Re: Flash + AIR on OLPC

I'm guilty of spending more time than I probably should at newgrounds.com, their slogan being "Everything, by Everyone". Its a melting pot of free content, and what really impresses me are the absolute gems of creativity that one finds from time to time. I dont see flash as the main XO education c

olpc-os-builder config tweaks

Hi Chris, I added a mechanism so that we can keep separate the OLPC-specific configuration from the sample config that can be reused by deployments, and I stripped out the OLPC-specific bits from those default configs. So you'll want to create a cjb-specific config file somewhere with this conten

Re: New XO-1.5 10.2.0 build 119

On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 17:57 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> Finally, I guess you have thought of it, but by the > >> time 10.2 will be out F11 repositories will be down > >> and thus the builds totally frozen software-wise. > > > > I think it would have been better to rebase on F12 6 months ago.

data organization at the server

I'm unfamiliar with the XS. Suppose a student registers his XO with a server, and transfers a number of objects (files) to the server. Then the student's XO gets destroyed, and he is issued a replacement XO. When the student registers his new XO, I presume that a new "Account" gets created. Doe

RE: #7689 NORM 8.2.0 (: Addition of Bislama Language for Vanuatu

Yes -Original Message- From: Zarro Boogs per Child [mailto:bugtrac...@laptop.org] Sent: Mon 12/04/2010 11:40 AM Cc: b...@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: #7689 NORM 8.2.0 (: Addition of Bislama Language for Vanuatu #7689: Addition of Bislama Language for Vanuatu ---