Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Bobby Powers]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:47 AM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey activity maintainers,
>
> I shrank the wasteful junky layout slightly and got rid of all the
> warning triangles for empty values.  If you see any yellow triangles
> after updating your activity page, please let me know.

thanks a lot, the wiki has been looking pretty sharp these days :)

bobby

> The Template:Activity_page could omit altogether table rows that have no
> value.  That would shrink it further but you'd lose the reminder to fill
> in Related projects, Contributors, etc.  Speak up if you want empty rows
> omitted.
>
> Gary C Martin wrote:
>> I think the main weird oddity I see now is that every activity page now
>> using the new for has two blocks of apparently duplicate data showing,
>> very confusing. There's a nicely formatted table at the very bottom
>> (Facts about Moon),
>
> That's the "factbox" you see on pages with semantic info.  (Since it
> repeats info that's annotated somewhere else on the page, the newer
> version of Semantic MediaWiki hides it by default.)
>
>>  but before it is a great long ~page screed of the
>> same data in a wasteful junky layout (Activity Summary).
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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[S Page]

Hey activity maintainers,

I shrank the wasteful junky layout slightly and got rid of all the 
warning triangles for empty values.  If you see any yellow triangles 
after updating your activity page, please let me know.

The Template:Activity_page could omit altogether table rows that have no 
value.  That would shrink it further but you'd lose the reminder to fill 
in Related projects, Contributors, etc.  Speak up if you want empty rows 
omitted.

Gary C Martin wrote:
> I think the main weird oddity I see now is that every activity page now 
> using the new for has two blocks of apparently duplicate data showing, 
> very confusing. There's a nicely formatted table at the very bottom 
> (Facts about Moon),

That's the "factbox" you see on pages with semantic info.  (Since it 
repeats info that's annotated somewhere else on the page, the newer 
version of Semantic MediaWiki hides it by default.)

>  but before it is a great long ~page screed of the 
> same data in a wasteful junky layout (Activity Summary).

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Bert Freudenberg]

Am 16.09.2008 um 22:54 schrieb Bert Freudenberg:
>
> (hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer  
> link? No way to do that I fear)


Oh, thanks to Walter this works now :)

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Seth Woodworth]

Actually, even more interestingly you could update data in any one of these
forms, and then call that data in a different format on the [[Activities]]
page, the [[/Activities/G1G1]] page, or even in another language.

Setting that the Property:LatestVersion for the page [[Help_(activity)]] can
be aggregated on another page to fill in a field...

Let me try to find a good example...

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Am 16.09.2008 um 22:27 schrieb Seth Woodworth:
>
>  So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual
>> data-points and very rough in layout.
>>
>> On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small changes; a
>> drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in certain fields instead
>> of urls, etc.
>>
>> On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data into
>> a box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current Activities
>> box.  I will try to describe what I would like to see more clearly on the
>> wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can).
>>
>
>
> As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a new
> release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should be
> automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know what I mean.
>
> I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the small
> boxes on top of the Activities page):
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity
>
> which includes the activity box at
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>
> that is also referenced in the Activities page:
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other
>
> (hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer link? No
> way to do that I fear)
>
> - Bert -
>
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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Gary C Martin]

On 16 Sep 2008, at 21:54, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a  
> new release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should  
> be automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know  
> what I mean.
>
> I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the  
> small boxes on top of the Activities page):
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity
>
> which includes the activity box at
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>
> that is also referenced in the Activities page:
>
>   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other

Oooh. Nice idea using wiki includes! I do like. Anyone see any  
potentially nasty issues here? Control Panel software update happy  
with it? How about we do a sweep of all the Activity pages and use the  
same recipe? Objections?

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Bert Freudenberg]

Am 16.09.2008 um 23:14 schrieb Walter Bender:

> You can add anchors to pages in the wiki, so you could do Activities#X


My wiki-fu is not strong enough ... and I do not see "anchors"  
mentioned on

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Help:Editing

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Walter Bender]

You can add anchors to pages in the wiki, so you could do Activities#X

-walter

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am 16.09.2008 um 22:27 schrieb Seth Woodworth:
>
>> So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data-
>> points and very rough in layout.
>>
>> On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small
>> changes; a drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in
>> certain fields instead of urls, etc.
>>
>> On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data
>> into a box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current
>> Activities box.  I will try to describe what I would like to see
>> more clearly on the wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can).
>
>
> As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a
> new release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should
> be automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know
> what I mean.
>
> I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the
> small boxes on top of the Activities page):
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity
>
> which includes the activity box at
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X
>
> that is also referenced in the Activities page:
>
>http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other
>
> (hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer
> link? No way to do that I fear)
>
> - Bert -
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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Bert Freudenberg]

Am 16.09.2008 um 22:27 schrieb Seth Woodworth:

> So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data- 
> points and very rough in layout.
>
> On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small  
> changes; a drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in  
> certain fields instead of urls, etc.
>
> On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data  
> into a box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current  
> Activities box.  I will try to describe what I would like to see  
> more clearly on the wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can).


As an activity author I'd love to have a single place to edit when a  
new release is made. The box appearing on the Activities page should  
be automatically created from the the activity's page, if you know  
what I mean.

I made an approximation of this for the X activity (inspired by the  
small boxes on top of the Activities page):

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X_Activity

which includes the activity box at

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/X

that is also referenced in the Activities page:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#Other

(hehe, wouldn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities#X be a nicer  
link? No way to do that I fear)

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Re: semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[Seth Woodworth]

So far the semantic form for activities is very rough in actual data-points
and very rough in layout.

On the actual form, I think that there needs to be some small changes; a
drop down for languages, ability to add wiki-pages in certain fields instead
of urls, etc.

On the form's display, it would be possible to wrap the current data into a
box on the right hand side of the page, much like the current Activities
box.  I will try to describe what I would like to see more clearly on the
wiki-gang list and try to implement it (if I can).

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On 15 Sep 2008, at 23:58, Seth Woodworth wrote:
>
>  Gary, the wiki is generally discussed on the library list, and on the new
>> wiki-gang(@lists.l.o) list.  That may be why you missed information about
>> the implementation of SMW.
>>
>
> Thanks Seth, I'm still contemplating the changes (+ links as per your
> previous email). Just to be clear, I do like the move direction, I'm just
> trying to work out if it's now 'done' and if I (and other activity)
> developers should now go back and spend time revisiting and revising their
> activity wiki pages to comply.
>
> I think the main weird oddity I see now is that every activity page now
> using the new for has two blocks of apparently duplicate data showing, very
> confusing. There's a nicely formatted table at the very bottom (Facts about
> Moon), but before it is a great long ~page screed of the same data in a
> wasteful junky layout (Activity Summary). I initially thought my browser was
> showing some hidden or accidental field of junk data, but Firefox shows it
> too.
>
> --Gary
>
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semantic black ops for Activities? (Re: Greg Smith's Weekly Report)

[S Page]

Summary: What do you want from activity wiki pages? (reply here or add 
to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Semantic_MediaWiki#Activities )

A while ago Gary C Martin wrote:
> Any information on what the semantic wiki plan is/was all about?

I never heard of any master plan, however people should note wiki pages
that could or do use semantic annotations at
. The SMW extension is
basically annotating information in wiki pages so you can browse, query, 
and reuse it; a bit like categorizing pages on steroids.  Also someone 
installed the Semantic Forms extension which builds on SMW so you can 
edit certain page data in a form.

> Seems to have been some black ops project 
> inside OLPC with no public documentation 

Dick Cheney denied this secret "black ops" project run outside of normal 
channels, so it must exist!

> I noticed a few weeks back that my activity page had turned into some 
> monster Q&A template page if I now try and edit it...

I haven't worked on the activity templates and forms.  I
think user:Xavi added the OBX templates to activity pages
a while back; recently user:Femslade added Activity_page and
Activity_bundle templates that annotate similar info, and you can edit
them in a form.  I don't know if anything reuses info like 
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Property:Activity_version

Greg Smith asked me:
> If we can edit activities page safely do you feel up to making some
> edits there... Maybe propose something on devel then we can approve and
> execute. Let me know if what we are looking for there is not clear.

Sorry, I have no idea what people are looking for (Cheney keeps us all 
on a need-to-know basis, damn these freedom-destroying wikis with no 
congressional oversight!). My proposal would just be guesses, e.g.:
* Unify the OBX templates and the semantic properties?
* Unify the Creating_an_activity page and the new Form:Activity?
* Automatically generate tables of activities?
** Replace (outdated?) Bundled/Core/Extra distinctions with a property?
** Display activity and versions compatible with a particular build?
* Generate the Activity_microformat data for the pages that Software 
update parses (scary...)?

Y'all can reply here, or edit 
, or some 
other talk page in the wiki.

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