deptree it pulls in.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Danilo Pianini
wrote:
> Guys,
> I propose switching our default Java VM from icedtea-bin to icedtea.
> Is there any reason for not to use the one compiled by us?
>
> --
> Ing. Dott. Danilo Pianini
>
> Site: http://www.danilopianini.org/
> Pho
Guys,
I propose switching our default Java VM from icedtea-bin to icedtea.
Is there any reason for not to use the one compiled by us?
--
Ing. Dott. Danilo Pianini
Site: http://www.danilopianini.org/
Phone: +39 320 41 36 573
Skype: dany.sk
It's good overall.
"leaving me with a black screen" --> sometimes different behaviour
could happen: the 4500 made a pinkish-pseudo-randomly-coloured screen.
I'd change it in "leaving me with a black screen or with graphics
artifacts".
2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
> You can find the Press Release o
You can find the Press Release on Git now [1].
Please have a look at the bottom "It does not boot" section.
It will go live tonight (UTC).
[1] http://git.sabayon.org/molecules.git/plain/releases/10.html
--
Fabio Erculiani
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM, pierigno wrote:
> Actually not IIRC: the installer already parses the cmdline used to
> boot the ISO and simply adds some other parameters by means of
> /etc/default/sabayon-grub. So it shouldn't need any modification at
> all. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Corr
Actually not IIRC: the installer already parses the cmdline used to
boot the ISO and simply adds some other parameters by means of
/etc/default/sabayon-grub. So it shouldn't need any modification at
all. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
2012/9/14 Danilo Pianini
> If that was possible, it would be
If that was possible, it would be a very very good solution. However I
guess this kind of proposal would affect also the installer.
2012/9/14 pierigno :
> Whould it be an acceptable compromise to add to the ISO a specific
> boot option for specific amd hardware in syslinux menu? At least until
> a
Whould it be an acceptable compromise to add to the ISO a specific
boot option for specific amd hardware in syslinux menu? At least until
amd or radeon developers figure the incompatibilities out. Seems that
whatIever the choice about defaulting to KMS will be, some amd users
will badly suffer (lat
All torrents in seeding. Bandwith currently limited to 2MB/s (should
be well over the average though).
2012/9/13 Fabio Erculiani :
> Hi all,
> this morning I moved the Sabayon 10 ISO images to mirrors and uploaded
> their torrent files to http://tracker.sabayon.org
> Feel free to pre-seed them onc
> No please, I cannot really live without fbcondecor. Whenever you boot
> a kernel without fbcondecor, a kitten dies.
This man speaks the truth.
--
Ian Whyman
v00d00.net
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Vitovt wrote:
> My 2 cents:
>
> 2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
>> Nowadays our releases are just snapshots of DAILY ISO images.
>> Why do you bother? ;-)
> 1) I bother because unexperienced user will try RELEASE instead of
> trying live branch DAILY. Even if I know th
My 2 cents:
2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
> Nowadays our releases are just snapshots of DAILY ISO images.
> Why do you bother? ;-)
1) I bother because unexperienced user will try RELEASE instead of
trying live branch DAILY. Even if I know that DAILY exists I will
prefer stble relese for installation
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Pavol Cupka wrote:
> I am following the free software movement for 13 years now, I like how
> sometimes Linus makes his point with pretty sharp posts, but still I
> think that people should be nice to each other. No exeption to people
> working on the same project
I am following the free software movement for 13 years now, I like how
sometimes Linus makes his point with pretty sharp posts, but still I
think that people should be nice to each other. No exeption to people
working on the same project :)
why not wait with the S10 release until 3.6 kernels?
pal
There is no 3.6 kernel yet.
Don't fear heated discussions, that's the fun of free software.
--
Fabio Erculiani
oh and by the way pre-seeding all 16 torrents :)
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Pavol Cupka wrote:
> Hi sab-devs!
>
> I'll just write couple of my observations.
>
> I don't know if yo know each other in person, but the tone of the
> conservation is rather unpleasant.
>
> I agree with Danilo tha
Hi sab-devs!
I'll just write couple of my observations.
I don't know if yo know each other in person, but the tone of the
conservation is rather unpleasant.
I agree with Danilo that you should realize that these people try to
help you and do it in their free time.
I can see how you (Fabio) are t
2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
> Danilo,
> let me see. What fix I was supposed to implement to have HD4xxx working?
> Complaints about non-working hardware should be filed upstream, not to
> the distro.
> However, in this case, upstream clearly told me that non-KMS setups
> are NOT supported anymore.
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>
>
> Simple Fabio Q&A about fglrx vs radeon:
> Is there anything I can do? Not much.
> Does this suck? Yes it does.
> Is there anything I can do given it does suck? Not really.
> What I've been always willed to do? Provide the best OOTB exp
Danilo,
let me see. What fix I was supposed to implement to have HD4xxx working?
Complaints about non-working hardware should be filed upstream, not to
the distro.
However, in this case, upstream clearly told me that non-KMS setups
are NOT supported anymore.
Accept the trade-off for now. On certai
2012/9/14 Andre Jaenisch :
> My first thought was: Danilo, not everyone has a Google Account.
> But then I digged in a little bit and found an official instruction
> [1] to share a Google Document (= GDoc) and an unofficial, but
> illustrated one [2].
> So it seems to be possible, to let people, wh
Workaround might be easy for some, but for the newbie it will not work out
of the box
If it will not work out of the box then the newbie will not use Sabayon
Just a little quote from the home page
Sabayon is a Linux distribution.
We aim to deliver the best user experience "out of the box" by pr
Hello,
my first post at this mailing list :)
2012/9/14 Danilo Pianini :
> what about (for next times) make a GDoc with a list of tested / working / not
> working hardware?
My first thought was: Danilo, not everyone has a Google Account.
But then I digged in a little bit and found an official ins
2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
> Do you realize that you're talking about something you haven't tried yet?
Just downloaded S10 from na.mirror.garr.it, checked MD5, created new
USB and tested on HD4500.
> Do you realize that the problem cannot be solved if not by enabling
> KMS? And do you understand
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Danilo Pianini
wrote:
> 2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
>> Hello?! The solution is to enable KMS by default. Do you want it? Then
>> forget about fglrx as default.
>> Hello!? (Knock knock!)
>
> No problem, then make them work. Do you understand S10 images do not
> wor
They're good, till you play Pacman :)
It's not a problem of the driver, it makes the card run as fast as
Windows, it's the Intel hardware that's ugly slow -- but this is a
question which does not impact us at all.
I repeat: I'm not "against" foss ati driver, I'm just stating the
reality: it is da
2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
> Hello?! The solution is to enable KMS by default. Do you want it? Then
> forget about fglrx as default.
> Hello!? (Knock knock!)
No problem, then make them work. Do you understand S10 images do not
work with any AMD card?
> Have you provided logs? No. Did other users
Intel not being good for games is another myth. It is for a vast
majority of users.
Just read Phoronix benchmarks.
--
Fabio Erculiani
On 14/09/2012 11:15, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Michele wrote:
On 14/09/2012 10:45, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Danilo Pianini
wrote:
Note that it still does not work with HD4xxx class hardware.
Note that I am not interested in fi
It's hard to fix issues with people that are barely able to read their own logs.
I do my best, but I am not god.
--
Fabio Erculiani
That would be OK for me, but now the question is: have we been testing
this configuration enough? For my tests, 100% of AMD hardware (HD4870,
HD4500, HD6670) was not able to correctly load KDE. I'm just worried
about Sabayon 10 NOT WORKING for those who have AMD, regardless which
type of driver we
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Danilo Pianini
wrote:
> 2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
>> Note that I am not interested in fixing this, since:
>> 1. fglrx won't be the default anyway in the near future
>> 2. KMS will be enabled by default
>
> You do not get it, maybe. If you start S10 on AMD 4xxx h
2012/9/14 Michele :
> Can I ask some clarification about this issue? My general understanding is
> that:
> - fglrx/catalyst is the closed source ati driver, which is somehow
> problematic
The problem is that they give you support for a limited amount of
time, then they only rely on FOSS drivers (m
Exactly what I wanted to say, Fabio didn't say anything about dropping
FGLRX as an option. Radeon opensource drivers *will be default boot* on the
next ISOs, and who wants to install fglrx, he's on his own. Simple math :)
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 14,
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Michele wrote:
> On 14/09/2012 10:45, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Danilo Pianini
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Note that it still does not work with HD4xxx class hardware.
>>
>> Note that I am not interested in fixing this, since:
>> 1. fg
2012/9/14 Fabio Erculiani :
> Note that I am not interested in fixing this, since:
> 1. fglrx won't be the default anyway in the near future
> 2. KMS will be enabled by default
You do not get it, maybe. If you start S10 on AMD 4xxx hardware, it
simply does not work. I'm not talking about fglrx or
On 14/09/2012 10:45, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Danilo Pianini
wrote:
Note that it still does not work with HD4xxx class hardware.
Note that I am not interested in fixing this, since:
1. fglrx won't be the default anyway in the near future
2. KMS will be enabled
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Josef Odenthal wrote:
> Danilo have you already finished downloading the image(s)?
>
> I've been downloading via the tracker for the last 18 hours and still
> haven't got past 4%
>
> If you are correct about the HD4xxx class hardware then it would pointless
> for
Danilo have you already finished downloading the image(s)?
I've been downloading via the tracker for the last 18 hours and
still haven't got past 4%
If you are correct about the HD4xxx class hardware then it would pointless
for me to continue with the torrents
Joe
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 7:40 PM
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Danilo Pianini
wrote:
> Note that it still does not work with HD4xxx class hardware.
Note that I am not interested in fixing this, since:
1. fglrx won't be the default anyway in the near future
2. KMS will be enabled by default
You said that fglrx is great, then
Note that it still does not work with HD4xxx class hardware.
2012/9/13 Fabio Erculiani :
> Hi all,
> this morning I moved the Sabayon 10 ISO images to mirrors and uploaded
> their torrent files to http://tracker.sabayon.org
> Feel free to pre-seed them once available for download.
>
> I will prepa
I'm starting pre-seeding.
2012/9/13 Fabio Erculiani :
> Hi all,
> this morning I moved the Sabayon 10 ISO images to mirrors and uploaded
> their torrent files to http://tracker.sabayon.org
> Feel free to pre-seed them once available for download.
>
> I will prepare the release announcement in 2-3
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