Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:38:11AM -0500, Gwyn Ciesla wrote: > I have a bunch of them still. Don't ask. I'll take floppy-support if no on > else wants it. Actually it is not orphaned but the current maintainer did not fix the package to exclude aarch64 as there is no floppy support there

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Adam Williamson < adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 11:03 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > > > floppy-support bruno 162 > weeks ago > > > > So are floppies now

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said: > (I saw a pack of floppies for sale in a dollar store the other day, > made me do a double take...) I still own the ufiformat package in Fedora (for formatting disks in USB floppy drives). I haven't actually used it in quite a

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

On Wed, 2017-06-28 at 11:03 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > > floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago > > So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora? If you want them not to be...you can take over the

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson wrote: >>> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago >>> >>> So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora? >> >> Well they

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:03:09AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: > > floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago > > So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora? This message is simply Fedora is saying that

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

On 28 Jun 2017, at 11:09 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson wrote: >> t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: >>> floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago >> >> So are floppies now

Re: floppy-support being retired (was: Retiring Packages with Broken Dependencies in branched (2017-06-26))

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > t...@fedoraproject.org wrote: >> floppy-support bruno 162 weeks ago > > So are floppies now definitely a thing of the past according to Fedora? Well they definitely are a thing

Re: floppy support

I have submitted a review request for floppy-support: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735554 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 22:41:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Below is a proposed specfile for the floppy case. (Analog joystick would be very similar.) I haven't tested the package for functionality yet, but did test it with rpmbuild and rpmlint. Is this what we want? Is this

Re: floppy support

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 17:11 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:49:37AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: Or modules-load.d if you want to force load a module.

Re: floppy support

Hi, On 08/30/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Simo Sorces...@redhat.com said: They do not 'hang', they just take longer to boot, sometimes a lot longer. How much longer? Much much longer, when I was still on the anaconda team we had numerous bug reports about this (esp

Re: floppy support

Hi, On 08/31/2011 05:41 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Below is a proposed specfile for the floppy case. (Analog joystick would be very similar.) I haven't tested the package for functionality yet, but did test it with rpmbuild and rpmlint. Is this what we want? I don't know about others, but I

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:41:45PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/modules-load.d echo floppy $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/modules-load.d/floppy.conf %{_sysconfdir} instead of %{_libdir} everywhere. %files

Re: floppy support

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:58:41 +0200, Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:41:45PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_libdir}/modules-load.d echo floppy

Re: floppy support

Once upon a time, Hans de Goede hdego...@redhat.com said: anaconda loads the floppy driver by default when booting of the install DVD, because of driverdisk support, thus the anaconda team has been getting its share of bug reports wrt this. But AFAIK there are no such issues in RHEL-5, where

Re: floppy support

Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to said: Below is a proposed specfile for the floppy case. (Analog joystick would be very similar.) I haven't tested the package for functionality yet, but did test it with rpmbuild and rpmlint. Is this what we want? Is this ready for a formal

Re: floppy support

On 2011/08/30 15:06 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: I can't see any reason for floppies these days considering their extreme price per data unit as opposed to usb memory. For some people the price of floppies is a sunk cost, or was never a cost at all (e.g. me, who has over a hundred empty

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2011/08/30 15:06 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: I can't see any reason for floppies these days considering their extreme price per data unit as opposed to usb memory. For some people the price of floppies is a

Re: floppy support

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 08:40 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2011/08/30 15:06 (GMT+1000) Chris Jones composed: I can't see any reason for floppies these days considering their extreme price per data unit as opposed to usb

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to modprobe it for you anymore. IMHO, this is really broken, but the

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:50:11AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 13:41:57 +0100, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives attached, and the ACPI function that's supposed to return a list of

Re: floppy support

Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com said: On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to, Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or something similar? If so, you can create a

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 13:41 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:50:11AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:20:22PM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 13:41 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives attached, and the ACPI function

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: Or just add floppy-support and analog-joystick-support packages that include appropriate modprobe.conf fragments, and have documentation that instructs the user to install them. To make this more precise,

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:09:51AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: Or just add floppy-support and analog-joystick-support packages that include appropriate modprobe.conf fragments, and have documentation

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:37:16 +0100, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:09:51AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: Or just add floppy-support and

Re: floppy support

On 08/30/2011 08:02 AM, Chris Adams wrote: There are still things in the real world that exclusively use floppy disks, and they aren't going away as rapidly as some seem to think. No need to tell me. I work everyday with SCO Unix machines that have no idea what a USB device is. I've just found

Re: floppy support

On 30/08/11 14:23, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I'll need to test it. Right now I use explicit modprobe commands in rc.local, which isn't good for packages. I looked at modprobe.conf documentation and it doesn't seem like it uses those files to determine what to load, only what to do if it is

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 30/08/11 14:23, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I'll need to test it. Right now I use explicit modprobe commands in rc.local, which isn't good for packages. I looked at modprobe.conf documentation and it doesn't seem like it uses those

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:50:10 +0100, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 30/08/11 14:23, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I'll need to test it. Right now I use explicit modprobe commands in rc.local, which isn't good for packages. I looked at modprobe.conf documentation and it doesn't seem

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:23, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:37:16 +0100,  Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:09:51AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100,   Matthew Garrett

Re: floppy support

On 2011/08/30 08:40 (GMT+0200) drago01 composed: Felix Miata wrote: ...OM... CD/DVD ? -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata ***

Re: floppy support

Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: On 30/08/11 14:23, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I'll need to test it. Right now I use explicit modprobe commands in rc.local, which isn't good for packages. I looked at modprobe.conf

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:49:37AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 02:50:10PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: Or modules-load.d if you want to force load a module. Oops. Yes, that's what I meant. Is there a reason that (at

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 18:25 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Garrett wrote: ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives attached, and the ACPI function that's supposed to return a list of drives

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Matthew Garrett wrote: There's no way to get any feedback from the gameport driver as to (a) whether there's anything plugged in, or (b) what is plugged in. We could have the gameport driver automatically pull in analog but that'd probably break people doing midi or using some more specialised

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:30:30PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: An Arch Linux user once pointed out to me that Arch (at the time) probed for analog joysticks using this udev rule: SUBSYSTEM==pnp, ENV{MODALIAS}!=?*, ATTRS{id}==PNPb02f, RUN+=/lib/udev/load-modules.sh analog (They have since

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, 30.08.11 18:30, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: Matthew Garrett wrote: There's no way to get any feedback from the gameport driver as to (a) whether there's anything plugged in, or (b) what is plugged in. We could have the gameport driver automatically pull in analog

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 07:18:40PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 30.08.11 18:30, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: An Arch Linux user once pointed out to me that Arch (at the time) probed for analog joysticks using this udev rule: SUBSYSTEM==pnp, ENV{MODALIAS}!=?*,

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 16:58 +0200, Jos Vos wrote: Don't let us all fall in the GNOME3 trap (assuming that all hardware now has accelerated graphics support, which is even more ridiculous, although GNOME3 has become useless for most people I know anyway). GNOME 3 does not do that. It has an

Re: floppy support

On 08/30/2011 09:02 AM, Chris Adams wrote: It isn't why I use floppies under Linux, but my mother's very expensive computerized embroidery machine uses floppies to transfer patterns. There are still things in the real world that exclusively use floppy disks, and they aren't going away as

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Simo Sorce wrote: It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no reason. This goes against the principle that Fedora should Just Work on any hardware it encounters if at all possible. Kevin

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: I feel your pain; a lot of perfectly good lab equipment has floppies too, but whenever practical, I'd recommend a USB floppy drive emulator from ipcas or http://www.rioc.us/ufr-usb-floppy-replacement.php or

Re: floppy support

On 08/30/2011 03:18 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov mailto:przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: I feel your pain; a lot of perfectly good lab equipment has floppies too, but whenever practical, I'd recommend a USB

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 09:13:05PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Simo Sorce wrote: It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no reason. This goes against the principle that Fedora should Just

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 21:13 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Simo Sorce wrote: It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no reason. This goes against the principle that Fedora should Just Work on

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: They connect to the floppy cable and look like a floppy drive. Bah, I'd think you'd want to go the other way if you could get an external usb based floppy reader which is autodetected on the usb bus.

Re: floppy support

On 08/30/2011 03:36 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov mailto:przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: They connect to the floppy cable and look like a floppy drive. Bah, I'd think you'd want to go the other way if you could

Re: floppy support

Once upon a time, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com said: Bah, I'd think you'd want to go the other way if you could get an external usb based floppy reader which is autodetected on the usb bus. Anything that hangs off the onboard floppy controller is going to need some lovin. These are for

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said: Making boot hang for long periods can easily be seen as 'Not working properly' and therefore make default floppy support 'not possible'. At least this is the reasoning I see and agree with. How many systems are there that hang forever when the

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 14:55 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said: Making boot hang for long periods can easily be seen as 'Not working properly' and therefore make default floppy support 'not possible'. At least this is the reasoning I see and agree

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said: I said: A) 99.9% of users do not needed the floppy anymore B) I said hang for long periods and not forever, where here long is of course relative to modern machine boot times. You said: It seem much more intelligent to add a package

Re: floppy support

Kevin Kofler wrote: Users who don't have a floppy drive and want to save some boot time can blacklist the driver manually. s/Us/Hack/ to make that sentence true. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 15:12 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said: I said: A) 99.9% of users do not needed the floppy anymore B) I said hang for long periods and not forever, where here long is of course relative to modern machine boot times. You

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said: They do not 'hang', they just take longer to boot, sometimes a lot longer. How much longer? How many such machines? Again, I've booted systems without floppy drives but with floppy support loaded, and I haven't seen any significant hang.

Re: floppy support

On 08/30/2011 03:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: How many systems are there that hang forever when the floppy module is loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying it happens on vast numbers of them (99.9% in an earlier message). It's

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 04:25:18PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 08/30/2011 03:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: How many systems are there that hang forever when the floppy module is loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 21:12, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: In any case, instead of arguing semantics, can you answer my actual question?  How many systems hang when floppy.ko is loaded?  If it is a large number, it should be easy to point to lots of data. Ok, just some very

Re: floppy support

The argument that some older hardware do not have USB support and require floppy support is moot. I have 3 PCs in total. 2 desktops and 1 file server. The 2 desktops run Ubuntu/Linux and the server running BSD. The server is an old desktop system that has had various upgrades and various

Re: floppy support

Once upon a time, Chris Jones chrisjo...@comcen.com.au said: I see it all the time. Some older hardware still requires floppies... It just seems like a generic defense statement for the fans of floppies and for those who insist on using them for god knows what reason. Again, please stop trying

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@nist.gov wrote: On 08/30/2011 03:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: How many systems are there that hang forever when the floppy module is loaded?  I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without floppy drives, yet you

Re: floppy support

2011/8/30 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz I hope no software is still doing this - that was idiotic 10 years ago, let alone now. (The purpose of the seek is to detect drives that can support only double density, i.e. 360K, 5.25 disks, not high density, i.e. 1.2M disks. It doesn't do anything

Re: floppy support

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/30 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz I hope no software is still doing this - that was idiotic 10 years ago, let alone now.  (The purpose of the seek is to detect drives that can support only double density, i.e. 360K,

Re: floppy support

2011/8/30 Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz The seek is there to detect the double-density _drive_ that was last shipped in PC XT: PC AT already had a high-density drive. Wikipedia tells me that the seek is there to detect hardware that became obsolete in 1984. you take the fun out of

Re: floppy support

On 08/30/2011 06:30 PM, Chris Jones wrote: I see it all the time. Some older hardware still requires floppies... It just seems like a generic defense statement for the fans of floppies and for those who insist on using them for god knows what reason. Any hardware that is true to that statement

Re: floppy support

On 08/30/2011 06:40 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Again, please stop trying to tell me what hardware to use. Manufacturers will tell you what hardware to use. Very few manufacturers still produce drives and media. Sony has stopped[1] as of last year. So, if it takes the death of your floppy drive to

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Chris Adams wrote: Leaving known-working hardware unusable at install is just rude and irritating when it is needed. There should be good justification, not just a bunch of developers don't use it anymore, so we don't think anybody else needs it. +1 Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing

Re: floppy support

Michael Cronenworth wrote: Manufacturers will tell you what hardware to use. Very few manufacturers still produce drives and media. Sony has stopped[1] as of last year. Unless the EU bans them (like those standard incandescence lightbulbs), I don't think floppies will become completely

Re: floppy support

Björn Persson wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Users who don't have a floppy drive and want to save some boot time can blacklist the driver manually. s/Us/Hack/ to make that sentence true. No. Users who want to tweak their system to the point of shaving a few seconds off their boot times should

Re: floppy support

Below is a proposed specfile for the floppy case. (Analog joystick would be very similar.) I haven't tested the package for functionality yet, but did test it with rpmbuild and rpmlint. Is this what we want? Is this ready for a formal review? Name: floppy-support Version:1.0

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Chris Adams wrote: Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and /usr/sbin/fdformat)? Why does it have any floppy tools any more? The kernel maintainers don't support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for several releases. -- devel mailing

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Chris Adams wrote: Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and /usr/sbin/fdformat)? Why does it have any floppy tools any more? The kernel maintainers don't support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for several releases. -- devel

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:44:33AM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: Because there are still people with floppy drives? +1 It's ridiculous to think that older HW doesn't exist because systems with that HW are not sold anymore (I don't even know id the latter is true at all -- some special purpose

Re: floppy support

Jos Vos wrote: We just have to wait till people come up with the argument that serial or parallel ports don't exist anymore. No. You're making an apples to orange comparison. Just like Jon has done this whole thread. This bike shedding as gone on long enough. Remove ddate. Karel, you're

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:37:37AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Chris Adams wrote: Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and /usr/sbin/fdformat)? Why does it have any floppy tools any more? because we still support floppy devices? The kernel

Re: floppy support

Jos Vos wrote: We just have to wait till people come up with the argument that serial or parallel ports don't exist anymore. No. You're making an apples to orange comparison. Just like Jon has done this whole thread. This bike shedding as gone on long enough. Playing devil's advocate !=

Re: floppy support

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:31:09AM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: P.S. Your argument will be moot when the kernel drops the floppy module. Is there actually a plan for this to happen? Curious, not arguing here. Not any time soon. Dave -- devel mailing list

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Karel Zak wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:37:37AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: The kernel maintainers don't support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for several releases. Does it mean that modprobe floppy does not work? No, it means that (unless this was

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to modprobe it for you anymore. IMHO, this is really broken, but the bug reports about it were

Re: floppy support

On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to, Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or something similar? If so, you can create a bootable, DOS USB flash drive. I haven't had a need for a floppy

Re: floppy support

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.comwrote: On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to, Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or something similar? If so, you