Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

gt;>>>                have to change to fit the suggested model. I for one >>>>                am more for peer reviews and leadership staff >>>>                assigning access than a points system that someone >>>>                could rack up points

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

re just a tech help forum - awarding >>>                points for the users that help and giving them more >>>                access - but what's that do for drupal and it's >>>                community? (i know there is a potential for this to >>>    

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

From: "Victor Kane" mailto:victork...@gmail.com>> > To: development@drupal.org <mailto:development@drupal.org> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:01:55 PM > Subject: Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On 2/1/2011 11:25 AM, Josh Koenig wrote: 3) No comment on how we govern the documentation process, but maybe the mission of d.o in this context should be re-thought? The most definitive and up to date documentation we have is embedded in the code and exposed via api.d.o. The handbooks have a lot

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

great if we were just a tech help forum - >>>> awarding points for the users that help and giving them more access - but >>>> what's that do for drupal and it's community? (i know there is a potential >>>> for this to help ...) >>>> >&g

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Blake Senftner wrote: > Something I've not seen in these discussions is the api.drupal.org site. > > Maybe because there's not as big a demand for improvements on API? :) I would suggest we focus on one piece at a time. The audiences and purposes of API and the St

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Something I've not seen in these discussions is the api.drupal.org site. Simply comparing at a high level api.drupal.org & someplace like php.net: api.drupal.org: each page has the routine source, number of times used by core, & comments that are rarely used. php.net: a description of the usage,

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

gmail.com        victork...@gmail.com>>         > To: development@drupal.org development@drupal.org>         > Sent:

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I like the shape this discussion is taking. As few things: 1) I don't think the StackExchange model is really about "Support." It's about "Answers." There's a non-trivial difference. While answers are helpful, as are documentation, "support" is about getting specific help for your specific problem

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On 2/1/11 11:07 AM, Victor Kane wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, la...@garfieldtech.com mailto:la...@garfieldtech.com>> wrote: Uh, Victor, you are aware that Wikipedia has a "team" of editors who correct, prune, and curate content far more actively t

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

than a points system that someone could rack up >>>>points and just get access ... what's that really do for the >>>> community - seems that would be great if we were just a tech >>>> help forum - awarding points for the users that help

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 08:56:51 -0800 (PST) nan wich wrote: > Perhaps, as someone suggested, this might be an age thing. I rarely have any > trouble searcing on the DO fora, I think that finding stuff on d.o today is far easier and better than it was 4 or 5 or 6 years ago, and I think part of it is

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

oints for the users that help and giving >>>them more access - but what's that do for drupal and it's >>>community? (i know there is a potential for this to help ...) >>> >>>another area of issue to me is - another login ? or would it

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, la...@garfieldtech.com < > la...@garfieldtech.com> wrote: > >> Uh, Victor, you are aware that Wikipedia has a "team" of editors who >> correct, prune, and curate content far more actively than anyone on >> Drupal.org, right? >> >> > Well, that is a relatively rec

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

gt;do the drupal leadership users and dries have admin level >>control...? >> >>mostly here i just don't get what adding yet another resource >>(like has been said before) would do to help the lead devs, >>module + theme devs

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Perhaps, as someone suggested, this might be an age thing. I rarely have any trouble searcing on the DO fora, but in my short visits to StackOverflow, I have yet to actually see a question, let alone answers.   Nancy  “Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple.” -- Dr.

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

evs, module + theme devs and just supporting drupal. if i had say -=- i'd vote against this idea -- Dan Horning - Original Message - > From: "Victor Kane" mailto:victork...@gmail.com>> > To: development@drupal.org &

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Randy Fay wrote: > Second of all, we need to do a way better job with support on Drupal.org. We > need to replace the forums with something that actually works, gets answers, > and then present those answers in a prioritized way so you can actually find > the decent

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

So first of all, there's nothing wrong with having lots of Drupal resources anywhere on the web. And StackOverflow/StackExchange is one of those. That's fantastic. Go for it. Second of all, we need to do a way better job with support on Drupal.org. We need to replace the forums with something that

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Victor Kane wrote: > > This is the whole problem to the approach up till now: the documentation > should not be organized top-down: this model has shown itself to be a > failure. Everyone should be contributing to the Drupal Handbook > documentation, and to the exte

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

There is a point, perhaps a line in the sand, where "Eat your own Dog Food" becomes 'isolationism'. I'm for a Stack Overflow solution. It involves monumentally less resources from us. It puts us solidly in touch with another community on the interwebs. It works. I prefer forums for forum-l

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

..) >>> >>> another area of issue to me is - another login ? or would it use SSO? >>> do the drupal leadership users and dries have admin level control...? >>> >>> mostly here i just don't get what adding yet another resource (like has >>>

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

t what adding yet another resource (like has been > said before) would do to help the lead devs, module + theme devs and just > supporting drupal. if i had say -=- i'd vote against this idea > > -- > Dan Horning > > - Original Message - > > From: "V

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

l...? >> >> mostly here i just don't get what adding yet another resource (like has >> been said before) would do to help the lead devs, module + theme devs and >> just supporting drupal. if i had say -=- i'd vote against this idea >> >> -- >> Dan Hor

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

For the purposes of this and other similar discussions and in order to help focusing on specific issues we should perhaps split the issues into two questions: 1, Is their a need for d.o. to update its own user support mechanisms in order to make it easier for people to ask questions and receive an

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

> > However, if a project is formed on d.o to create an "EntityUnderrun" > install profile, I'll be one of the first to revoke my commit on > StackExchange. > > Justin > Not to undercut my own argument for why a StackExchange site would be nice, but this already exists: http://drupal.org/project/

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I think like anything else in an open marketplace, in fact, like having Drupal itself, the use is going to be determined by the value. I spend LOTS of time at DO, some at Lullabot, some at StackOverflow, some at drupalmodules.com...not to mention Drupal-related blogs. Being in one of my more lu

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

One final email and I swear I'll shut up. Originally I thought everyone knew about StackOverflow et al, but it seems not everyone does. You see, users have been using StackOverflow for quite some time to get Drupal support: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/drupal

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Josh Koenig wrote: > >> I don't think we can delegate any part of Drupal to something we don't >> control; I think that's just a non-starter. > > FWIW I don't think the question here is whether Drupal should do anything > "official." That'd be up to the Association

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Hi Justin, Thanks for the info. The Wordpress StackExchange site did far better with only 2 reported errors: http://weba.im/219 As always, an an automated eval does not really get the job done in regards to assessing accessibility, since many tests cannot be automated. Just thought that the a

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

> I don't think we can delegate any part of Drupal to something we don't > control; I think that's just a non-starter. > FWIW I don't think the question here is whether Drupal should do anything "official." That'd be up to the Association. This thread is about whether or not individual Drupal dev

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

> > another area of issue to me is - another login ? or would it use SSO? > do the drupal leadership users and dries have admin level control...? > Yes, it would be another login. No, the existing drupal leadership would not (necessarily) have much control, although I'm sure if they wanted to they

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

om>> > To: development@drupal.org <mailto:development@drupal.org> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:01:55 PM > Subject: Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal > I guess this is a good place to start: > http:

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

; -- > Dan Horning > > - Original Message - > > From: "Victor Kane" > > To: development@drupal.org > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:01:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange > site proposal

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

supporting drupal. if i had say -=- i'd vote against this idea -- Dan Horning - Original Message - > From: "Victor Kane" > To: development@drupal.org > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:01:55 PM > Subject: Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/Sta

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I guess this is a good place to start: http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Victor Kane wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Josh Koenig wrote: > >> Stew, >> >> Thanks for starting this thread. This is important stuff: >> >> http://area51.stackexchange.com/p

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Josh Koenig wrote: > Stew, > > Thanks for starting this thread. This is important stuff: > > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/2978/drupal-answers > > I want to put my support behind this proposal and explain my thinking in > doing so. > > The Drupal commu

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Everett, I have no idea what control would be given as far as presentation, but to be fair the site you tested isn't what will become the StackExchange site. It's more appropriate to run your WAVE tool on http://wordpress.stackexchange.com or another real StackExchange site. Justin On Mon, Jan

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I've only been casually following this thread, but I thought I'd chime in on accessibility. Using the WAVE accessibility evaluation tool I found at least 70 errors on the URL posted in the below message. The results can be seen at http://weba.im/218 Now, it is possible that not all of these ar

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Stew, Thanks for starting this thread. This is important stuff: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/2978/drupal-answers I want to put my support behind this proposal and explain my thinking in doing so. The Drupal community is already growing faster than Drupal's infrastructure can easily

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I knew that and I don't like that either. * Ryan LeTulle,* Web Developer personal: bayousoft.com twitter: @bayousoft *"Be the change you want to see in the world." * Mahatma

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Okay, one last point and I'm done pot-stirring (for today at least). Please review the On-Topic example questions: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/2978/drupal-answers The proposed site will not compete with any module issue

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

To further play devil's advocate: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:14 PM, António P. P. Almeida wrote: > We have also to consider other competing projects. WP has user forums, > and it's a CMS oriented towards blogging. Drupal has had foruns since > the beginning. Are we throwing the towel and saying we

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Ryan LeTulle wrote: > Just my insignificant .02: > As a relatively new (about a year) Drupal developer and a long time > Microsoft programmer/supporter turned open source advocate I would be > totally turned off by any .NET/Microsoft involvement whatsoever. > > Ry

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

As a module maintainer, the fragmentation of support channels is of primary concern to me. To be a responsible maintainer, I think that I allready need to pay attention to: My issue queues Forums Support mailing list Appropriate groups.drupal.org groups Then success of any of these tools is on

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Justin Ellison wrote: > Drupal is a swiss army knife. However, if I have to chop down a tree and > have my swiss army knife sitting right next to my chainsaw (that was built > specifically to chop down trees), which one will I pick up? Just because I > *can* use

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On 31 Jan 2011 15h45 WET, shellmultime...@gmail.com wrote: > [1 ] On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:18 AM, > Stewart Robinson wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> There has been some chatter on Twitter concerning the future of the >> forums on drupal.org. >> >> I don't want to relight any code wars on keeping it in hous

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Just my insignificant .02: As a relatively new (about a year) Drupal developer and a long time Microsoft programmer/supporter turned open source advocate I would be totally turned off by any .NET/Microsoft involvement whatsoever. * Ryan LeTulle,* Web Developer personal: bayousoft.com

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I was going to keep quiet on this one, but Scott's mail spurred me to back him up. I'm pretty sure I'm the one that started the Area51 link being passed around twitter. I think the StackExchange site is an excellent idea, but I knew that the conversation would quickly become "we could do it ourse

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On 1/31/11 8:45 AM, Michelle Cox wrote: It's not like it would be _that_ hard to do Indeed, the lead developer of Stack Overflow says reproducing the site's basic functionality is trivial: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2009/07/code-its-trivial.html But he also says that functionality is

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Stewart Robinson wrote: > Hi, > > There has been some chatter on Twitter concerning the future of the > forums on drupal.org. > > I don't want to relight any code wars on keeping it in house or using > external solutions but.. > > Here is a well supported stack

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I had dreamed of having more time to give to the Drupal effort, which sadly has not emerged. I had schemed on strongly advocating for the establishment of a "support team" just like we have a "documentation team". In my opinion support and documentation are very different. I fully acknowledge that

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Also, I will be very much willing to help get that system in place if there is interest from infrastructure/webmasters group. To oversimplify things using flag module and good permission system ( letting the question author and some select group of people ) to set that flag should help us realize t

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I feel the most important feature of a support system from a seeker's point of view is to quickly filter out the signal from the noise, when I search google for support on any topic I am really looking for 2 things: 1> To find a forum topic (blog posts are godsend) which is close to what I am look

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

It also appears to do badging (such as User Badges will hopefully get to). Is that in ArrayShift? The interesting thing is that I never could navigate to a question. Is that a function of age or must one be a member before one may ask or see questions? And thanks for letting me know about VUD s

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

Recently the Vote Up/Down module http://drupal.org/project/vote_up_down was implemented on groups.drupal.org in an effort to provide some sense of each post's value to the community. Integrating Vote Up/Down with drupal.org's existing forum could be a next step. Stack Overflow's architecture trans

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

However, providing a venue for support that actually works is something we really need to set as a high priority. IMO we could just use issue queues, organized just like you might on Stack Overflow, with owners of them. Email notifications would work. Maintainership of a particular queue would wor

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I think that using Stack Overflow for support is a bad idea. I'd much rather see us build a clone of Stack Overflow to put on Drupal.org than keep a major support venue offsite. Thanks, Cameron On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 10:05, Ronald Ashri wrote: > I think the stackexchange for Drupal would be

Re: [development] Drupal Answers: A Stackoverflow/StackExchange site proposal

I think the stackexchange for Drupal would be a good thing (validates the size and relevancy of Drupal for developers in the big world out there) but it should not be considered a replacement for d.o. forums. Drupal.org needs to be self-sustainable - this validates Drupal's ability to cater, on its