[freenet-dev] Where to put GWT?

2009-05-23 Thread Florent Daignière
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[freenet-dev] Where to put GWT?

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Some French translations

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] ITA l10n update 090523

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Mike Bush
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 15:06 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Saturday 23 May 2009 10:43:09 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:10:42 Mike Bush wrote: > > > I have been watching this debate an I was wondering whether it could > > > help to have 2 sets of trust values for

[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Some French translations

2009-05-23 Thread 3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i
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[freenet-dev] ITA l10n update 090523

2009-05-23 Thread Luke771
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[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Evan Daniel
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Saturday 23 May 2009 10:43:09 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: >> On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:10:42 Mike Bush wrote: >> > I have been watching this debate an I was wondering whether it could >> > help to have 2 sets of trust values for

[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
ammer is different from silence. However, > it doesn't let Bob censor anyone he couldn't censor by removing Carol > from his trust list. Under no circumstances will Alice using Bob's > trust list result in fewer people being accepted than not using Bob's > trust list. It does mean that Bob, as a member of the evil cabal of > default trust list members for newbies, can (with the unanimous help > of the cabal) censor identities in a more subtle fashion than simply > not trusting anyone. > > The caveats: this is a big enough change that it needs a close > re-examination of the security proof (I'm pretty sure it's still > valid, but I'm not certain). If it sounds like an interesting idea, I > can do that. Also, I don't think it's compatible with Ford-Fulkerson > or the other simple flow capacity algorithms. The changes required > might be non-trivial, possibly to the point of changing the running > time. Again, I could look at this in detail if it's interesting > enough to warrant it. Worth investigating IMHO. > > Evan Daniel -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090523/2118273c/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
on, but it might be confusing for people who aren't > familiar with webui. So, I don't know. We should experiment on this point, > and > ask users. > > > > ###Uploads : > > > > > > File : > > > Field 'Path' + Button browse. > > > Checkbox : upload through the browser > > > > This is possible with javascript. Without javascript we should show both > > versions, with an explanation. > > Ok, I thought it would be without javascript. Too bad, it would have made > things clearer. Well, javascript is now on by default, we should use it where possible. > > > > Insert as : > > > * CHK : explain what it is > > > * SSK/USK : idem > > > * KSK : idem + ask for the name > > > > Agreed, some self-documentation here is helpful, although it would make the > > form take up more space. > > I don't think space is a scarce ressource here. So it shouldn't be much of a > problem (besides, the explaination should fit in one or two lines) > Oh, and I almost forget : > we should have a distinct 'insert' button (in the current page, the button is > on the same line than the browse button iirc) Yeah ... but it means the box is going to take up a *significant* chunk of space, are you sure this isn't a problem? Well, with submenus, it could be a separate page anyway... > > > ###Statistics : > > > > > > sub-menu : > > > > > > node related things : (JVM + node version + datastore) > > > bandwith : bandwith usage + number of bits dl/ul > > > misc : cpu, threads, generate thread dump, etc. > > > > Agreed, we should split this up. But it's not important IMHO. Also, it's > > not a top level menu item, and we probably *don't* want the complications > > of three level menus. > > We can do this very simply. We just need to put the links to all statistics > category page on top of each statistics page. I don't know if I'm clear, so a > bit of html : You mean like we do on the Configuration page which you find difficult to use? If it's bad there then it's bad here. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090523/0543f38c/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Evan Daniel
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> > We want to make it easy, or nobody will do it. Poring over your trust list >> > day after day is not most people's idea of fun. >> > >> > There are three approaches, given positive trust only. Depending on the >> > level of effort

[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
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[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
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[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
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[freenet-dev] New java-based installers

2009-05-23 Thread 3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i
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[freenet-dev] New java-based installers

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Clément
Le vendredi 22 mai 2009 23:38:35, Matthew Toseland a ?crit : > On Friday 22 May 2009 17:31:46 Cl?ment wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > First, let's see the current situation : > > > > > > #Navigation : > > > > 9 items is really the max we can afford. Currently there are 9 items, but > > they aren't all

[freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Victor Denisov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > In contrast, Advogato has multiple levels of trust, and each identity > either trusts or does not trust each other identity at a given level. ... > This implies running Ford-Fulkerson or similar; it's more complicated > than the current system,

Re: [freenet-dev] New java-based installers

2009-05-23 Thread 3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i
It's OK on Linux, but the installer and the first time wizard don't ask if I want auto-start (and I don't want auto-start). On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: The java-based installer has been updated. Windows users already see the windows

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:10:42 Mike Bush wrote: I have been watching this debate an I was wondering whether it could help to have 2 sets of trust values for each identity in a trust list, this could mean you could mark an identity as spamming or that I don't want to see these posts again as

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:38:35 Matthew Toseland wrote: Putting the messages only here is a bad idea. Some of these messages are IMPORTANT. What we need to do is: - show the summary on the Browse Freenet page and maybe others - reduce the number of messages by coalescing them and shifting

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Saturday, 23. May 2009 02:20:23 Clément wrote: A always seeable (sorry for new words...) button 'Shutdown the node' and 'Restart the node' You want to encourage people to shut down? IMHO the best way to do that is with a system tray icon. Hum, in all application you can always

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 23 May 2009 01:20:23 Clément wrote: Le vendredi 22 mai 2009 23:38:35, Matthew Toseland a écrit : On Friday 22 May 2009 17:31:46 Clément wrote: Hi all, First, let's see the current situation : #Navigation : 9 items is really the max we can afford. Currently

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 23 May 2009 11:04:12 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Saturday, 23. May 2009 02:20:23 Clément wrote: A always seeable (sorry for new words...) button 'Shutdown the node' and 'Restart the node' You want to encourage people to shut down? IMHO the best way to do that is

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 23 May 2009 10:43:09 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:10:42 Mike Bush wrote: I have been watching this debate an I was wondering whether it could help to have 2 sets of trust values for each identity in a trust list, this could mean you could mark an

[freenet-dev] ITA l10n update 090523

2009-05-23 Thread Luke771
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[freenet-dev] Some French translations

2009-05-23 Thread 3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i
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Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Evan Daniel
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: We want to make it easy, or nobody will do it. Poring over your trust list day after day is not most people's idea of fun. There are three approaches, given positive trust only. Depending on the level

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 22 May 2009 22:38:43 Evan Daniel wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: - Making CAPTCHA announcement provide some form of short-lived trust, so if the newly introduced identity doesn't get some trust it goes away. This

Re: [freenet-dev] Why current ui may be improved, and proposed improvements

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 23 May 2009 10:48:18 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:38:35 Matthew Toseland wrote: Putting the messages only here is a bad idea. Some of these messages are IMPORTANT. What we need to do is: - show the summary on the Browse Freenet page and maybe others

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Mike Bush
On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 15:06 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: On Saturday 23 May 2009 10:43:09 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:10:42 Mike Bush wrote: I have been watching this debate an I was wondering whether it could help to have 2 sets of trust values for each

Re: [freenet-dev] ITA l10n update 090523

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
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Re: [freenet-dev] Some French translations

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 23 May 2009 17:02:47 3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i wrote: Some French translations. Pushed to git. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devl mailing list Devl@freenetproject.org

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Evan Daniel
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: On Saturday 23 May 2009 10:43:09 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: On Friday, 22. May 2009 23:10:42 Mike Bush wrote: I have been watching this debate an I was wondering whether it could help to have 2 sets of

[freenet-dev] Where to put GWT?

2009-05-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
sashee is working on making the web interface more dynamic. Google Web Toolkit will be used to translate some java code into javascript, and then this generated javascript will be built into Freenet in much the same way as themes are. The problem is that we need to be able to rebuild it when

Re: [freenet-dev] Where to put GWT?

2009-05-23 Thread Florent Daignière
* Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org [2009-05-23 20:43:56]: sashee is working on making the web interface more dynamic. Google Web Toolkit will be used to translate some java code into javascript, and then this generated javascript will be built into Freenet in much the same way as

Re: [freenet-dev] Why WoTs won't work....

2009-05-23 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Saturday, 23. May 2009 16:06:51 Matthew Toseland wrote: People will game the system, no? If they think paedophiles are scum who should not be allowed to speak, and they realise that clicking This is spam is more effective than This is crap, they will click the former, no? Not if the