Todd Seal wrote:
The original post for this discussion was *not* about new standards. I
think that's just how you've interpreted the subject line. It was
about old browsers that are still in use and finding out what those
browsers are.
Fair enough. Siobhan wrote:
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In response to Taran Rampersad's diatribe at 17:07 23/04/2005
I find your response patronising and rude and for someone who presumes to
quote Criticize by creating after their signature baffling.
Quite honestly I don't understand why it was distributed on the list, as it
just seems to be about
At 6:56 PM +0200 4/21/05, J Cravens wrote:
Actually, I am rather impressed with blogger.com in this regard.
Blogger.com does not work with my machine -- I'm on a Mactintosh,
and have three browsers: MS Explorer 5, Netscape 7.0, and Opera 6.3.
Blogger.com does not work with any of them -- it
Is it too much to ask that folk with older browsers simply turn
off style sheets?
Yes. Maybe not too much, but it's the wrong approach. What's wrong
with initiatives like the W3C or www.knowbility.org encouraging
designers of web sites to make them accessible to all? It's what was
done with
It's clear that this debate over browsers and stylesheets isn't going to
be resolved, and the discussion is getting acrimonious. I think it's
time we take this conversation off-list.
ac
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I cant let this pass. You are totally missing the point.
Ordinary users, which is what the digital divide is about - not the techies
or the faddists who have time to twiddle and experiment with things - just
want a tool that works.
If a user Netscape 4 goes to a web page that doesn't display
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discussion grouplt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
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gt;Subject: Re: [DDN] Current browser standards for international audiences
gt;Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:47:07 -0500
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gt;Todd Seal wrote:
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There's no Sign In button to press, but enter your username and
password, then press Enter on the keyboard, and you're logged in.
Nope. It does not work. I assure you, I have tried repeatedly. I have
tried creating new accounts. It does NOT work on my machine, not with
any of the three
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gt;Subject: Re: [DDN] Current browser standards for international
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gt;Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:47:07 -0500
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gt;Todd Seal wrote:
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gt; gt; Hrm... I'm responding to this is relation to a digital
Nope. It does not work. I assure you, I have tried repeatedly. I have
tried creating new accounts. It does NOT work on my machine, not with
any of the three browsers I had.
I'm certainly not a super user, but I'm certainly not a novice either.
There are many sites where one of my browsers work
I suggest you have something else wrong with your computers then! I just
logged into blogger.com with NS4.7 (pc and mac) and NS7 (pc and mac) and IE
(pc-6 and mac-5.2). As I said, most of my students created their acounts on
NS4.7. I wonder what the problem is. What you're describing is very
Jayne Cravens said...
Blogger.com does not work with my machine -- I'm on a Mactintosh, and have
three browsers: MS Explorer 5, Netscape 7.0, and Opera 6.3. Blogger.com
does not work with any of them -- it will not let me create an
account/login. I wrote tech support and their reply: use a
Hrm... I'm responding to this is relation to a digital divide, not a future
case scenario. It was suggested that blogging software, a means by which
just about anyone should be able to communicate their ideas, wasn't working
in some browsers. From where I stand (ideologically), that's not the
Todd Seal wrote:
Taran, turning off the style sheets in your browser and separating
content from design are not mutually exclusive, in fact they depend on
each other. It is *because* you separate content from design that
turning off style sheets in your browser works well. That's exactly
why
Todd Seal wrote:
I stand by my original comments (the nonsense bit included) and
reply: anyone on the other side of the digital divide who wants to
easily communicate with others via the internet can do so simply by
turning off style sheets in their browser and that's easy to do.
-todd seal
Actually, I am rather impressed with blogger.com in this regard.
Blogger.com does not work with my machine -- I'm on a Mactintosh, and
have three browsers: MS Explorer 5, Netscape 7.0, and Opera 6.3.
Blogger.com does not work with any of them -- it will not let me
create an account/login. I
That's interesting. I use blogger.com on my mac with MS Explorer 5, Firefox 1,
and Safari all the time.
Thanks,
Katy Pearce
FLEX
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Quoting J Cravens [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Actually, I am rather impressed with blogger.com in this regard.
Blogger.com does not work with my machine
If you go to the home page of any of the following using Netscape 4.6 they
do NOT display properly. So for a 'novice' and for anyone on the other
side of the digital divide who wants to easily communicate with others via
the internet, and not have the technology disempower them, these are the
Again, I say nonsense, though you are correct about the Digital Divide
discussion boards not displaying at all in NS4.x (faux pas!!).
You're talking about Web sites displaying improperly and I'm talking about
software working. My point is that the software works, it just hasn't been
modified
I don't have figures for browser configurations in that part of the world,
but I have trouble with their assessment that blogs don't display correctly
in NS4 (I assume 4.7, but it may be 4.5). Most blog software just takes what
you type into it, stores it in a database, and spits out code when
Perhaps this is too obvious, but for heaven's sake, people, set your
character set correctly. Don't make my browser (or me) guess.
Living for the time being in the third world (though there are certainly far
poorer places), I think Netscape 4.75 probably is a little out of date. I
haven't seen it
Siobhan Green wrote:
Hi all,
I was wondering what y'alls thoughts are on what the current browser
compliance standards should be for international audiences. I develop
websites for a variety of non-profits which want to ensure the sites
are accessible by the majority of users in developing
Siobhan,
If I recall correctly, there is a lot of useful
info and links on the W3.org site.
Most of it is geared toward defining such standards, but
they usually point the reader to practical guides.
See also:
North Carolina State University, The Center for Universal Design
Trace Research
Hi Siobhan
Was interested to read your posting as this is a message I recently sent to
the IS Forum -
... a smallish housing charity has maintained a web site for a few
years. From their web logs they know they have on average between 10-15%
of visitors each month who are using Netscape 4.
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