On Friday, 21 September 2018 at 00:55:25 UTC, RhyS wrote:
The PC market will change but dying is a big word.
So I'm stuck between "smartphones overtaking PC's" which I've
been told has already happened, and "PC's dying" which apparently
has too strong of a meaning...
PC sales have dropped
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 10:02:05 UTC, Laurent Tréguier
wrote:
I apologize for the tone I'm using, I shouldn't jump on that
train.
I'll clarify my position on this: I'm not completely absolutely
sure that smartphones will kill the PC market, but I do think
it's a possibility that just
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 05:45:52 UTC, Laurent Tréguier
wrote:
Why did the iPhone, and after that the smartphone industry as a
whole, completely crush the classic cell phones when they have
such a poor battery life? Smartphones don't have everything
previous phones had. The pros
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 13:33:31 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
No need to apologise, I didnt pick up any "tone".
I felt like I sounded aggressive; I tend to get worked up very
quickly over nothing sometimes. ("this train-wreck of a
thread"...)
FWIW I agree with your position in the long
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 10:02:05 UTC, Laurent Tréguier
wrote:
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 08:15:39 UTC, Dave Jones
wrote:
[snip]
I apologize for the tone I'm using, I shouldn't jump on that
train.
I'll clarify my position on this: I'm not completely absolutely
sure that
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 09:32:01 UTC, Laurent Tréguier
wrote:
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 08:15:39 UTC, Dave Jones
wrote:
Longer battery life is a convenience not a requirement.
What is a convenience and a requirement is completely
subjective. I'd classify the removable
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 08:15:39 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
[snip]
I apologize for the tone I'm using, I shouldn't jump on that
train.
I'll clarify my position on this: I'm not completely absolutely
sure that smartphones will kill the PC market, but I do think
it's a possibility that
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 08:15:39 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
Longer battery life is a convenience not a requirement.
What is a convenience and a requirement is completely subjective.
I'd classify the removable battery example as a requirement more
than a convenience, but other people
On Thursday, 20 September 2018 at 05:45:52 UTC, Laurent Tréguier
wrote:
On Wednesday, 19 September 2018 at 18:14:47 UTC, Dave Jones
wrote:
Only if the new product meets all the use cases of the old
product. Again this is what you dont understand.
Why did the iPhone, and after that the
On Wednesday, 19 September 2018 at 18:14:47 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
Only if the new product meets all the use cases of the old
product. Again this is what you dont understand.
Why did the iPhone, and after that the smartphone industry as a
whole, completely crush the classic cell phones when
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 06:42:26 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 19:28:01 UTC, aberba wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 16:09:41 UTC, rjframe wrote:
That's exactly whats happening in Africa. The continent is
leapfrogging from nothing to a smart phone thanks
On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 at 07:53:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 22:27:41 UTC, Neia Neutuladh
wrote:
You are making your arguments to fit your desires.
I can't make head nor tails of this claim, you have a talent
for vague non sequiturs. My arguments are based
On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 at 18:06:37 UTC, Neia Neutuladh
wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 at 07:53:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 22:27:41 UTC, Neia Neutuladh
wrote:
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 15:47:14 UTC, Joakim wrote:
Not sure why that matters if you
On Tuesday, 18 September 2018 at 07:53:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 22:27:41 UTC, Neia Neutuladh
wrote:
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 15:47:14 UTC, Joakim wrote:
Not sure why that matters if you agree with Kay that HTML is
an abortion? :) I actually think it's great
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 22:27:41 UTC, Neia Neutuladh
wrote:
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 15:47:14 UTC, Joakim wrote:
Not sure why that matters if you agree with Kay that HTML is
an abortion? :) I actually think it's great that mobile is
killing off the web, as the Comscore usage
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 15:47:14 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 15:41:41 UTC, tide wrote:
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 15:11:42 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I say that almost 30% drop in PC sales over the last 7
Might be, but so is trying to convince everyone your
On Monday, 17 September 2018 at 15:47:14 UTC, Joakim wrote:
Not sure why that matters if you agree with Kay that HTML is an
abortion? :) I actually think it's great that mobile is killing
off the web, as the Comscore usage stats I linked earlier show.
HTML is a somewhat open standard. I'm
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 15:41:41 UTC, tide wrote:
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 15:11:42 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I say that almost 30% drop in PC sales over the last 7 years
is mostly due to the rise of mobile.
I think a large part of it is that PCs got fast enough for
most people about
On 9/15/2018 11:25 AM, Joakim wrote:
> On Friday, 14 September 2018 at 09:23:24 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
>> On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:56:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:41:08 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
>>> (Abscissa) wrote:
On 09/10/2018 11:13 PM, tide wrote:
On Saturday, 15 September 2018 at 15:25:55 UTC, Joakim wrote:
You've probably heard of the possibly apocryphal story of how
Blackberry and Nokia engineers disassembled the first iPhone
and dismissed it because it only got a day of battery life,
while their devices lasted much longer. They
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 15:11:42 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 10:25:30 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
Some analysts have predicted that PC sales will plateau at
some point and if that's where we're at now then 30% drop in
shipments is not death of the market.
I see no
On 9/12/2018 11:38 AM, Joakim wrote:> On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at
06:41:38 UTC, Gambler wrote:
>> On 9/10/2018 9:43 AM, Joakim wrote:
>>> Yes, I know, these devices won't replace your quad-core Xeon
>>> workstation with 32-64 GBs of RAM anytime soon, but most people don't
>>> need anywhere
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 15:56:25 UTC, Neia Neutuladh
wrote:
Better network connectivity and cloud-based gaming would erode
another segment of powerful personal computers.
I wish companies actually cared for providing better networks.
But the truth is they are fine charging for their
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 10:25:30 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
Because for about £300 you can get an intel NUC system with
120GB SSD, which is more powerful and more upgradeable than
your £700 mobile device. And some people still want that.
For the typical person, it's more likely that
That is, it is not just the performance that affects the sales of
phones. There's a lot of factors that lead to there being new
phones sales. Know someone that's gone through 3 phones in
comparison to just the one I have. Treadmills eat phones for
breakfast.
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 15:11:42 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I say that almost 30% drop in PC sales over the last 7 years
is mostly due to the rise of mobile.
I think a large part of it is that PCs got fast enough for
most people about 7-10 years ago. So it was a combination of
mobile, and
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 10:25:30 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 04:47:11 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 01:03:27 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
I know a lot of people who did, which explains the 28% drop
in PC sales since they peaked in 2011, the
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 04:47:11 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 01:03:27 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
I know a lot of people who did, which explains the 28% drop
in PC sales since they peaked in 2011, the year after the
iPad came out. Many of those people who used to buy
On Sunday, 16 September 2018 at 01:03:27 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
On Saturday, 15 September 2018 at 15:25:55 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Friday, 14 September 2018 at 09:23:24 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:56:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at
On Saturday, 15 September 2018 at 15:25:55 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Friday, 14 September 2018 at 09:23:24 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:56:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:41:08 UTC, Nick
And people don't use PCs for such things? ;)
On Friday, 14 September 2018 at 09:23:24 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:56:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:41:08 UTC, Nick
Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
On 09/10/2018 11:13 PM, tide wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC,
On Friday, 14 September 2018 at 09:23:24 UTC, Dave Jones wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:56:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:41:08 UTC, Nick
Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote:
On 09/10/2018 11:13 PM, tide wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC,
On Friday, 14 September 2018 at 16:53:16 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
On 14 September 2018 at 09:51, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 22:41:31 UTC, Iain Buclaw
wrote:
On 12 September 2018 at 10:09, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
I think their model of having
On 14 September 2018 at 09:51, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 22:41:31 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>>
>> On 12 September 2018 at 10:09, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think their model of having an open ISA with proprietary extensions
>>> will
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:56:31 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:41:08 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 09/10/2018 11:13 PM, tide wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
That's why PC sales keep dropping while mobile sales
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 22:41:31 UTC, Iain Buclaw
wrote:
On 12 September 2018 at 10:09, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
I think their model of having an open ISA with proprietary
extensions will inevitably win out for hardware, just as a
similar model has basically won already for
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 at 22:41:08 UTC, Nick Sabalausky
(Abscissa) wrote:
On 09/10/2018 11:13 PM, tide wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
That's why PC sales keep dropping while mobile sales are now
6-7X that per year:
This shouldn't be misunderstood
On 09/10/2018 11:13 PM, tide wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
That's why PC sales keep dropping while mobile sales are now 6-7X that
per year:
This shouldn't be misunderstood as such, which I think you as
misunderstanding it. The reason mobile sales are so
On 13 September 2018 at 10:11, Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 22:41:31 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
>>
>> With one comparison being a high end ARM64 server is no better than a
>> cheap laptop bought 5 years ago.
>
>
> For single thread performance that's true,
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 22:41:31 UTC, Iain Buclaw
wrote:
With one comparison being a high end ARM64 server is no better
than a cheap laptop bought 5 years ago.
For single thread performance that's true, but it's not how a
server works?
RISC-V got accepted into gcc-7, and runtime
On 12 September 2018 at 10:09, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 16:50:33 UTC, Dejan Lekic wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>>
>>> LDC recently added a linux/AArch64 CI for both its main branches and
>>> 64-bit ARM, ie
On 12 September 2018 at 10:46, Dejan Lekic via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 08:09:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>
>> I contacted one of the few companies putting out RISC-V dev boards,
>> Sifive, a couple weeks ago with the suggestion of making available a paid
>> RISC-V
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 15:38:36 UTC, Joakim wrote:
the world is right now? It's not IBM, Apple,
Whoops, meant to write Intel here, but wrote Apple again. :D
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 06:41:38 UTC, Gambler wrote:
On 9/10/2018 9:43 AM, Joakim wrote:
Yes, I know, these devices won't replace your quad-core Xeon
workstation with 32-64 GBs of RAM anytime soon, but most
people don't need anywhere near that level of compute. That's
why PC sales
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 14:00:43 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
PPC64
Why superscalar is a thing at all? Didn't Itanium prove to be
difficult to optimize for?
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 08:09:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 08:34:31 UTC, Chris wrote:
[...]
Yes, something like that should be done, but I won't be doing
much with dub till next year. If anyone else is interested in
doing it earlier, feel free.
[...]
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 08:09:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I don't think there's a "dedicated team" for any platform that
D runs on, so we don't have "first class support" for any
platform then.
But ARM (Android/iOS) has always been treated worse than a
stepchild by D devs. No
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 08:09:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I contacted one of the few companies putting out RISC-V dev
boards, Sifive, a couple weeks ago with the suggestion of
making available a paid RISC-V VPS, and one of their field
engineers got back to me last week with a note that
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 08:34:31 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 07:23:53 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I'm not sure what
you mean by "first class support for mobile." What exactly do
you believe D needs to reach that level?
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 07:52:45 UTC, Joakim wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 07:42:38 UTC, passenger wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
[...]
Is it possible to develop versus a NVidia Jetson, CUDA
included?
I think so, but I doubt anyone
On Wednesday, 12 September 2018 at 06:41:38 UTC, Gambler wrote:
[snip]
In essence, we are seeing the rapid widening of two digital
divides. The first one is between users and average developers.
The second one is between average developers and researchers at
companies like Google. I very
On 9/10/2018 9:43 AM, Joakim wrote:
> Yes, I know, these devices won't replace your quad-core Xeon workstation
> with 32-64 GBs of RAM anytime soon, but most people don't need anywhere
> near that level of compute. That's why PC sales keep dropping while
> mobile sales are now 6-7X that per year:
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 07:23:53 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I'm not sure what
you mean by "first class support for mobile." What exactly do
you believe D needs to reach that level?
Natural-feeling bindings to platform libraries that are not
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
LDC recently added a linux/AArch64 CI for both its main
branches and 64-bit ARM, ie AArch64, builds have been put out
for both linux and Android. It does not seem that many are
paying attention to this sea change that is going on with
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 07:23:53 UTC, Joakim wrote:
I agree with a lot of what you say here, but I'm not sure what
you mean by "first class support for mobile." What exactly do
you believe D needs to reach that level?
Basically the things you describe. I was thinking of a stable
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 07:42:38 UTC, passenger wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
[...]
Is it possible to develop versus a NVidia Jetson, CUDA included?
I think so, but I doubt anyone has ever actually tried it:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
LDC recently added a linux/AArch64 CI for both its main
branches and 64-bit ARM, ie AArch64, builds have been put out
for both linux and Android. It does not seem that many are
paying attention to this sea change that is going on with
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 at 06:42:26 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 19:28:01 UTC, aberba wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 16:09:41 UTC, rjframe wrote:
That's exactly whats happening in Africa. The continent is
leapfrogging from nothing to a smart phone thanks
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 19:28:01 UTC, aberba wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 16:09:41 UTC, rjframe wrote:
That's exactly whats happening in Africa. The continent is
leapfrogging from nothing to a smart phone thanks to China.
Many don'[t know how to even use a PC. Especially
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
That's why PC sales keep dropping while mobile sales are now
6-7X that per year:
This shouldn't be misunderstood as such, which I think you as
misunderstanding it. The reason mobile sales are so high is
because of planned
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
LDC recently added a linux/AArch64 CI for both its main
branches and 64-bit ARM, ie AArch64, builds have been put out
for both linux and Android. It does not seem that many are
paying attention to this sea change that is going on with
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 16:09:41 UTC, rjframe wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:43:46 +, Joakim wrote:
Despite all this, D may never do very well on mobile or
AArch64, even though I think it's well-suited for that market.
But at the very least, you should be looking at mobile and
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:43:46 +, Joakim wrote:
> Despite all this, D may never do very well on mobile or AArch64,
> even though I think it's well-suited for that market. But at the very
> least, you should be looking at mobile and AArch64, as they're taking
> over the computing market.
I was
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 15:06:46 UTC, Claude wrote:
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
Despite all this, D may never do very well on mobile or
AArch64, even though I think it's well-suited for that market.
But at the very least, you should be looking at mobile
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 13:43:46 UTC, Joakim wrote:
Despite all this, D may never do very well on mobile or
AArch64, even though I think it's well-suited for that market.
But at the very least, you should be looking at mobile and
AArch64, as they're taking over the computing market.
On Monday, 10 September 2018 at 14:00:43 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:
On 10 September 2018 at 15:43, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
LDC recently added a linux/AArch64 CI for both its main
branches and 64-bit ARM, ie AArch64, builds have been put out
for both linux and Android. It does not seem
On 10 September 2018 at 15:43, Joakim via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
> LDC recently added a linux/AArch64 CI for both its main branches and 64-bit
> ARM, ie AArch64, builds have been put out for both linux and Android. It
> does not seem that many are paying attention to this sea change that is
> going
LDC recently added a linux/AArch64 CI for both its main branches
and 64-bit ARM, ie AArch64, builds have been put out for both
linux and Android. It does not seem that many are paying
attention to this sea change that is going on with computing
though, so let me lay out some evidence.
At my
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